WEBVTT - Australia Is Entering Its Rugby Union Era 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:03.160 Here at two Good Sports, we would like to acknowledge 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:05.440 the traditional owners of the land on which we record 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:08.800 this podcast. There were innerie people. This land was never seated, 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:18.080 always was always will be. Hello and welcome to two 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:20.520 Good Sports. It's sports news told differently. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.320 I'm Abby Jelmy and if I'm doing the intro, you 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.200 just know that Georgie Tunney must be absolutely killing the 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.160 Amazing Race. But I am joined by the amazing Catherine 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:31.639 Murphy as a stand in mirth. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:35.479 Welcome, Oh thank you for having me in. And Georgie 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:37.760 she's got to be winning the Amazing Race. I mean 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.440 her and Rob even their little fights about how to 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:43.839 do it would be cute. They should just win the 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:45.840 cutest couple in Australia race. 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.800 I was about to say, surely it's a popularity vote 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.279 at one point and they just have to win it anyway. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.960 They'll definitely win one percent. I'm just glad to be 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:55.400 here while she's off winning. 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.160 Well, mrth you have to be firstly my Good Sports. 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.560 So tell us a little bit about yourself. Obviously you're 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.680 the ABC Sports presenter. You've also written a book with 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.000 Zach Tuohey, so you're across all sport more. But how 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:08.520 did you end up being a sports journalist? 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:09.240 Wow? 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:13.600 That's a crazy I feel like I don't know about you, Abby. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.360 I feel like it was all I was ever meant 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:20.720 to do. I remember signing up for journalism in UNI 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:25.080 and straight away gravitating towards the sports aspect of it. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.200 I played a lot of sport in Uni. I played 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:32.840 Gaelic football really badly, and I was so inferior. I 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.800 just interviewed Aaron Phillips today on News Breakfast, so I'm 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.880 really aware of how I was never going to make it. 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:41.720 You know when you look at someone that really made 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:43.600 it and you know exactly why you didn't. 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.160 But Aaron Phillips is particularly humbling because she's played basketball 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.160 for Australia and won a silver medal, as well as 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.640 being one of the greatest, if not the greatest, in 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:54.760 my mind AFLW player that we've ever seen. 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:56.520 So she's a duel code star. 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.440 So no wonder You're like, Okay, could I just have 0:01:58.480 --> 0:01:59.920 had one? 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.680 Do you look at her and you feel so inferior athletically? 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.720 And I always think when I'm talking to amazing athletes 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:10.200 like that, God, I need to go to the gym 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:11.640 or do you close with health? 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:13.520 Yeah, do you have that thought process? 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:15.959 We work with athletes all the time. Ob you just 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:17.639 look at them and I go, I just believe you're 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.680 better than me. Oh yeah, like I just believe you're 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:21.480 better than me in all aspects. And Aaron is one 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:22.959 of those ones that I've been so lucky to work 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.760 with in commentary. Not only is she delightful, but she 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.359 does have that glow of like not many toxins into 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:28.880 my body. 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:30.800 Oh my god, exactly her guns. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:32.600 I'm like, I need to go to the gym, I 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.520 need to lift things, I need to go outside. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:37.200 And she's just the nicest. 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:43.120 Meanwhile, if you tested us for toxins right now, let's 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:43.880 not go there. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.520 But she is amazing. 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.120 Honestly, if I told you what I had for breakfast alone, 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.640 you be horrified. I think I had chocolate for breakfast 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.600 because they get a bred me. I know when they 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.959 don't give you breakfast and you're so hungry by nine 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.720 am and it's your lunchtime that I have been known 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.760 to eat terrible things by nine am, which Aaron Phillips 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.920 would never do. But yeah, so failed Gaelic footballer but 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:12.760 always loved sport, and as soon as I got into 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.800 my course, I knew it was going to be sport. 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:19.040 And I ended up getting a tour of a TV station. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:23.239 My cousin worked there, so a bit of nepotism got 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.640 me in the door for that day. She was just 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.639 showing me around the TV channel, and I remember thinking, Abby, 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:34.640 TV is so fun, Like I was just straight away 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:39.000 transfixed by the cam you see on TV and the 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.960 chaos behind the scenes, and I love chaos, and I 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:48.800 just loved the chaotic nature of it, the deadlines, the adrenaline. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.160 I started as a producer, I didn't know if i'd 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:56.280 ever do on camera stuff, and yeah, started there, so 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.480 I kind of feel like I always knew just because 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.880 of that day, kind of that you have in your 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.040 life where you just all of a sudden, you know. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.320 Well, that's beautiful firstly, and it's amazing that you've been 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.600 able to forge your career for yourself as well. And 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.360 you are our favorite, your Georgie's favorite as well, You're. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.719 My favorites, and I just love that you're are offsiders 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.680 Hostle Abby. When I got that news, and I got 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:24.520 it earlier than I should have, I did. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.719 Before my parents just quiet, like they told me I 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.320 wasn't allowed to tell a soul and Murphy just sends 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.159 me a sly text being like, I don't know, but 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:33.560 if you know that, we know that, I know that 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:33.839 you know. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.520 And I was like, wait what, I'm not going to 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.039 tell anyone. I had to do an investigation. And you're 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:40.760 a real journalist. 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:44.040 You're sometimes when I really want to know something. And 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.200 I was so delighted when I heard it that I 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.400 did try not to message you, and the person who 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.120 told me warned me enough to message you, but I 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.560 had to message you because we're so lucky to have you, 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.120 and I can't wait to be on the show. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.200 Sometimes soon as I say when are we getting you back, 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.320 I'm going to happen. I'm feeling like it's personal. You 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.440 haven't look you're more of a Kelly goal I get it. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.240 Oh my god, I am dying to come on the show. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.120 And it's going to happen very soon, I promise. 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:09.560 And one of the topics that we need to talk 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.440 about this year is rugby, which is going to be 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:12.600 a major not. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.599 Rugby league, rugby union. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.400 And there are some people that you have to discern 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.200 that we're talking about the Wallabies. We're talking about the 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.400 British Irish Lines tour. But as a listener of the podcast, 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.240 you will know that we do a good sport off 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.800 the top or a bad sport, and I'm going to 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:30.280 lob up my bad sport as every account that designers 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.800 to do an April Fool's post, because they got me. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.080 They got me, Murph in a real way. 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.640 So as you well know, we do stories throughout the 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:40.160 week for offsiders that we try to keep an eye 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:41.040 across all things. 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.720 I sent a message to Danny, my producer. Yes we 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:45.880 love Danny. 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:52.000 Simply just a screenshot of this exclusive DCE to sign 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:56.080 a bombshell contract with the Reds Wallaby's debut for Bledisloe 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:56.839 Cup looms. 0:05:58.680 --> 0:05:59.400 Oh it Dane. 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:01.800 He was going to do a five year contract with 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.640 one point four million dollars and I've screenshot it and 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.520 said part of my French but holy shit. 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.120 Honestly, do you know what really got me is on 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.920 the day I was very aware that there was going 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:13.360 to be a lot of pranks online. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:14.800 I didn't know what date it is. I don't know 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:16.040 what date is any day, but. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.320 The problem is on April second, because of the algorithm, 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:20.520 a lot of them. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.640 Obviously they get most pushed up. 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.760 Yes, so they're coming into your algorithm on April second, 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.919 and I got caught really bad because I just finished 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.880 News Breakfast. It's nine o'clock and your biggest fear is, well, 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:33.039 your biggest fears. 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:34.440 That you sleep in and you're not even there. 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.239 But second biggest fear is that you miss something big 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.359 when you're busy and it's really hard to always be 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.800 across everything all of the time. So I opened my 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.039 phone at nine am and I see a post that 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:51.040 former Wallabies coach Eddie Jones has been appointed the Welsh 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:55.680 national coach and I shrieked because it's believable. I mean, 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.560 I'm still traumatized from when he was doing those zooms 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:02.760 with Japan, so like, I'm ripe for the pecking. So 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.600 when I saw that, I almost died. I was like, here, 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.480 I am. I love covering Rugby, want to do more 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.080 of it on News Breakfast, and I've missed the fact Eddie. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:12.520 Jones is now coach of Wales. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.560 Figured out shortly after it he is not just to emphasize, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:17.920 but yeah, that is the worst. 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.760 Well, let's lean in now to our main discussion then, 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.320 because we mentioned if we're talking about coaching, we're talking 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.480 about Wallabies. We are still waiting to find out who 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.160 is going to be the Wallabies coach, especially looking forward 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.200 to a World Cup that we have in twenty twenty seven, 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.600 and they're calling this the golden decade of rugby events 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.520 that we're going to have in Australia. 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:49.920 Leading stop it. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.880 Even the phrase is a little bit triggering after everything 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.119 that's happened. For sure, we're going into the good years now. Sorry, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.240 well it's been the best any therapy, this will be 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:01.280 like rugby therapy. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.080 Well that's maybe it will be. 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.080 And that's why we always talk we I mean, did 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.440 the Rebels expose last year on what exactly had happened 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.640 there and you mentioned Eddie Jones and the saga that 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.280 that was. It feels like rugby in Australia has been 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:18.600 wading through the murky waters and has finally found its 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:22.640 way into the light because things are happening. We've got 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.760 all four of the Australian Super Rugby teams in the 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:27.680 top six, we have the Reds on top of the 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.440 table for the first time in twelve years. All these 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.840 positive things are happening, but we just need to know 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:34.160 who this new coach is going to be. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:35.280 We are going to know. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.320 I literally say any minute now. Was expected that it 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.880 would be today or tomorrow. I'd love that not to 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.480 happen today. We're but I'm keeping an eye on my phone. 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.439 We now don't think it will be today or tomorrow, 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:55.120 and more likely early next week. I would say right now, 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.960 as we said here, Les Kiss, the Queensland Rad's coach, 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.440 is well and truely the man for the job. But 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.920 it's not a done deal. Nothing's been signed. There's a 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.679 lot going on behind the scenes, a lot going on. 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.800 For example, Stu Lancaster, who was with England, He's also 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.760 worked in Ireland, he's worked with Joe Schmidt before. His 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.920 name is suddenly in the mix. Now I can't see 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.600 a former English coach getting that role, but I could 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:27.400 see him potentially taking over the Reds job if Les 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:32.160 Kiss leaves, assuming that gets done. But there's a lot 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.080 going on behind the scenes, and it was actually, wait 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:41.320 for it, a genuinely extensive process and I understand in 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.640 huge breaking news all of those who applied for it 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.040 are actually happy with the process. So what I mean, 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.280 it's a long way from a glass of Chabblis with 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.000 Eddie Jones and let's just say that's how that got done. 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.080 So we're actually doing sports governance in rugby. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.600 There's a process and Oliver which Philbore is one. 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.600 Of them, and there was more than two meetings. I 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.960 understand with each applicant and they're all happy. I understand 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.400 with the process. As we says here right now, it 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.880 looks like it's Les Kiss, but there's a lot going 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:17.200 on behind the scenes, so we won't know until we know, 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.600 but we would expect it to happen next week. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:19.840 I mean. 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.240 The problem being Joe Schmidt, who obviously is an incredible coach, 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:23.800 and he put his own hand up and said, look, 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.720 I'm happy to be basically the caretaker for this period. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:27.720 But I've got family comments. 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.120 He's spoken openly about his son having disabilities and needing 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.400 to care intend for him. So we have absolutely loved 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.560 his tenure and seeing what he's done with the Wallabies. 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.199 The problem being Joe said he's not doing any media 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.800 until the new coach is announced, so you've got this 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.480 gap in being able to promote what's going to be 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.959 such an incredible tour in terms of the British and 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.880 Irish Lions tour, which is only eighty days away, Murphy, 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:50.680 if you can believe it. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.200 Yeah, and I feel like I know why Joe was 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.800 doing that, but I want to have to foot the questions. 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.760 Yeah, and I haven't spoken to Joe. But from the outside, 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.280 look at this. The names that are ultimately looking to 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.840 be successful out of this whole process, Les Kiss, Stu 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.560 Lancaster may be getting a role somewhere. These are guys 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.720 that Joe Schmidt has worked with and it's becoming really 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:19.520 clear that Rugby Australias still want Joe involved. What's going 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:23.160 to be interesting is if he is involved, what exactly 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.640 is the title? Could it even be a director of rugby? 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.600 Surely not because he wants to beg himself in New Zealand. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.360 Will he be a high level consultant? I do hope 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.160 he's involved in some way because I worry about him 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.840 being completely unattached to the Wallabies back in New Zealand. 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.000 He's already worked with the All Blacks. We can't have 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.000 that ip. No, we're going over to New Zealand. Hi 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.640 to Alista, the producer of this podcast, who's from New Zealand. 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:51.360 I just had to throw that out there, so we 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.560 can't lose that IP. We've already lost a lot of IP. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.079 So David Nusiphora is a name that not all of 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.560 our listeners will have heard of. He is from Canberra, 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:05.720 he moved to Ireland to Dublin. He's set up all 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:09.120 of the structures that ensure the Irish rugby team made 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.160 it to number one in the world. Now, can I 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.319 just say you're not number one unless you win the. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.560 Rugby World Cup. It's just a ranking, doesn't matter as much. 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.760 But much like world football, the World Cup is the 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:19.400 beyond end. 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:23.679 Or exactly, and Ireland unfortunately haven't been past the quarterfinals. 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.000 We're not discussing that your listeners. 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.160 Murphy just looked to the ground like it was solemn 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.600 and that she couldn't believe that she had to admit to. 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.240 Because if I don't admit it, people will point it 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.960 out to me in social media. So David usafora set 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.520 up those structures. Then Rugby Australia managed to get him 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.520 on board as a consultant in the new high performance 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:48.560 unit which is now in place. Guess what he's working 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.080 with the British and Irish Lions. And everyone was saying 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.880 don't worry about it because he was just helping with 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.360 some contracting. You don't go into a governing body and 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:59.800 just help with some contracting. You get a lot of 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:04.080 I and now he is on the opposition side. So 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.960 from that point of view, I hope we keep Joe 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.559 Schmidt in some form, but it's going to be interesting 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:13.360 to see what that is. Will the new coach have 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.200 the final say, will he be a consultant? That's if 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:20.839 it is Les Kiss and did that deter other applicants 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:25.040 like Stephen Larkham, who is definitely in the mix. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:29.760 I name that Australian rugby fans immediately feel comfortable. 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.920 With exactly, and so they should because if you look 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:37.040 at the Brumbi's and they just are excellence personified. 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:38.719 They're always successful. 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.080 So they're fourth on the ladder at the moment, it's 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:43.920 so tight with the Reds and number one. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.120 Stop the count. Let's end soup. Yeah, everyone press the buzzer. 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.520 Let's just leave it with all Australians in the top 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.200 six because it just doesn't happen. 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.000 It doesn't, and you know why it's happening, Abby, Yes, 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:58.280 all the best players are now condensed into four sides. Boy, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:02.680 we'd loss of rebels exactly. Four great coaches. That for 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:06.640 me is the reason we're seeing such great performances. And 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.200 to have four great super rugby coachus means we'll probably 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.920 have a great Wallabyes side because they're the ones coaching 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.280 the players all year before they get handed over to 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.840 Joe Schmidt. So that's really important. There's no side that's 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.960 kind of dragging players down. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:23.960 That was something that Eddie Jones spoke to when he 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.200 was sort of listing the issues as to why the 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.680 Wallabies were supposedly not performing. As he said that we 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.600 don't have enough control over what these players are doing 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.000 at club level. But if the club level has all 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.520 lifted and the standard ass all lifted, and as you said, 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.680 they've all got a leak coaching, all of a sudden 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.720 you find those feeder systems which are so important to 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.440 how we perform at a national level, are starting to 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.880 meet the mark. And I just I think when you've 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.520 got such an important tour coming up, those players that 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.160 are vying for a Wallaby's position, even though you'd like 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.840 to bring your best every week, they just find a 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:55.680 different gear mouth. 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:01.480 Oh totally, And you're so right about just the standard 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.120 being lifted in every site, like look at the Western 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.360 Forest just barely losing to the Reds. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:07.880 They've had to win over the Brombies. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.960 That's good coaching across the board in Australia and we 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:14.720 need it this year, we really do. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.880 You mentioned see the Western Forest, they're one of the 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.720 teams that have collapsed. They're not collapse and Twiggy Forests 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.680 came in. We've seen so many different iterations of Super Rugby, 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.680 which is now the Super Rugby Pacific, and we know 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:29.240 it's difficult to garner attention in the Australian sporting landscape, 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.280 particularly when this is a Pacific competition, so you're not 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.640 guaranteed to have an Australian team doing well or certainly 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.760 winning the competition. How important is it for the Wallabies 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:44.680 to hit this golden era with momentum and really capitalize 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.880 a home World Cup. This is meant to bring two 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.480 billion dollars of revenue to Australia with the amount of 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.280 people that we're expecting to see travel and again you 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.480 think they're twenty twenty Seven's that far away? It's really not. 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.240 And that will all springboard off this British and Irish 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:03.000 lines tour Marv growing up like, of course everyone in 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.840 our house had a Wallaby's guernsey. Everyone like it was 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.800 something that was you know, everyone loved George Gregan, like 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.240 you had household names as part of that Wallaby's fold. 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.160 And in one generation or less than in a couple 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:19.359 of decades, that fight for relevance has never been more important. 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.120 But I just feel like this could be it. And 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.160 with names that Joseph Kuso Suali, you playing so well 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.640 and doing that massive jump from codes, You've got like 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.680 an origin star that decides no, I'm going to play 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.920 for the war Retars and for the Wallabies. I just 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.160 feel like there's a genuine momentum shift and it's so exciting. 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.960 Yeah, and you know what, it makes me sad to 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.400 hear you talk about your family all having Wallabies jerseys 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.440 because I did. That's so unbelievable to me, because that's 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.040 what I thought as an Irish rugby fan. I thought 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.440 I was moving to the center of the universe when 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.720 it came to Rogby, because super Rugby when I first 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.000 moved here in two thousand and six, was the envy 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:03.040 of the world. I soon started to find out, particularly 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:08.280 in Melbourne that rugby players were not recognizable, even Wallaby's players. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.600 I remember being in a chemist really early days and 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.679 watching a couple of Wallabies players order anti inflammatories at 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.400 the counter and I was like, I felt like going on, going, guys, keep. 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.280 It down, I know you're injured. 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.119 And then I realized no one else in the chemist 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:28.280 knew they were, including the guys handing out the prescriptions, 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.960 so they were fine to hide their injuries and playing 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.119 sight and that really shocked me. 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.520 And how far rugby did fall. 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:41.119 Like you say, there is a huge opportunity, So Australian 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.280 rugby has had all this money before, but they clearly 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:49.280 haven't used it. Well you mentioned Joseph Suleihi, I mean, wow, 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:55.720 he is so impressive, the global nature of fascination in him. 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.320 I was really struck by it when he went over 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.159 on the spring tour and obviously had that player of 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.040 the match performance against England and him going to Dublin 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:05.760 and I beating England. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:10.520 Oh, how good? Like it was almost fairy tale stuff. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:15.840 Fair right, No, but you always do as Australia have 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.200 the right to beat England. And I find it really 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.680 funny to watch a play out It's absolutely one of 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:23.360 the biggest rival time. 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.520 Surely he was a player of the Test, which is just. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.800 Incredible, incredible and unbelievably. Then when I was heading back 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.919 to Ireland for the Test in Dublin, my dad was 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.119 asking about Joseph. My dad was obsessed and I'm like, 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.959 because Irish people are really, you know, hardcore rugby fans 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.120 and just seeing that, I was like, this is amazing 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:46.520 to have a name that is bringing that attention to 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.200 the sport. One thing I really love about Joseph when 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:52.639 I watch him is I feel like he really loves 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.000 rugby union. Remember his face when he walked out onto 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.880 twicken and he smiled up at the crowd and then 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:00.920 he talked about but this is what I've been. 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.040 Saying all along. I love it. My dad brought me 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.040 to Wallaby's matches when I was a toddler. 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.000 He talked about his dad taking to him a game 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.240 where they played Samoa and he was like, for my 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.840 whole life, Like, you know, Unions sort of been what 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.040 I wanted to do. Because there has been that speculation 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:17.879 his contract is meant to be with options that he 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:21.639 can opt into up to and over nine million dollars 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.080 for five years and that money just simply isn't available 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.800 to you if you are going to stay in rugby league. 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:28.480 So a lot of people thought this was a cash 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.000 grab and that maybe he jumped codes because of the 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.960 money that was on offer, whereas he's very quickly proved 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.840 also how level headed, such a lovely young man that 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:37.520 he can be. 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.879 But he's just like, I wouldn't move unless. 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.600 I loved it, and you can see that radiating off him, 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.399 and even the fact when he was injured for the 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:46.919