1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: Look, we're going to put our radio rivalry aside this 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: morning to talk to one third of the Nova Breakfast Show, 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: and this, of course is Whipper. Whippers turned his attention 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 2: to a course close to his heart and something that 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: will probably strike a chord with parents right across the country, 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 2: and that is social media. He's part of a campaign 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 2: called thirty six Months and he's leading the charge to 9 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: raise the age of social media use from thirteen to sixteen. 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: He's got a big road ahead of him. 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 3: Whipper. 12 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: Hello, thank you guys for putting the radio rivalry apart. 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't think I've beat on the show so since 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: we sent in a naughty kid who ditched up you guys, 15 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: we were in his ear feeding him all the lines 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: he had to repeat when he met you too for 17 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: work experience. So it's good to be back on the show. 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: You've been banned for some time, but the band has 19 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 3: been lifted because I think that's an important thing, Whip. 20 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 3: And I was watching on ACA the other night and 21 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: you articulated it so well. And I think my kids 22 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: a lot older. Your kids are younger, But right now 23 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: we're living in a time in history I reckon in 24 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: thirty years time, people say, oh my god, I can't 25 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: believe we let people get away with that or do that. 26 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 3: It's almost like the automobile. I think with social media 27 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: and the Internet, where going through the developments of what 28 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: the automobile is, and I think what you do is great. 29 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 2: Well tell us what you're. 30 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: Doing well, James, I think you're right. I think that's 31 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: exactly where we are at in time. And I'm trying 32 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: to change the age limit from thirteen to sixteen. The 33 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: thing is with these platforms, they don't have much of 34 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: an age gait at all. So when I talk about 35 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: thirteen and sixteen, that's thirty six months period. I'm drawing 36 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: a line because I spoke to a dad who was 37 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: on the phone with me yesterday. He was in tears 38 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: about what had happened to his eleven year old daughter. 39 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: So that's the thing. There's these chat groups that take place, 40 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: and the addictive features and a lot of these platforms 41 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: that keep the kids on there for longer. And we're 42 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: talking about this moment in time where we're able to 43 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: have all this data over the past ten years and 44 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: we look back and we look at the psychological damage 45 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: of what these charts are saying, especially for young girls, 46 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: especially for young teenage girls, and the anxiety and the 47 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: depression levels that have gone through the roof. So all 48 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm doing by putting my hand up is representing every 49 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: parent and every group and everyone else out there saying, hey, guys, 50 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: this does not make sense and we're better than this. 51 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: But I can imagine every single parent would agree with you. 52 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: How do you implement something like this? 53 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: Great question. There are ways we can do it, and 54 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: I know the government's put some money towards some trials 55 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: at the moment. But if you could think, Amanda, we 56 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: had a two factor verification, which quite often you might 57 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: use to sign into your bank or something that has 58 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: a level of security required. We could build this in 59 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: with a giant database attached. So your experience on that 60 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: social media platform was there was a two factor check 61 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: before you signed in, that've got your details, which are 62 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: already on record. You know, the minute you're born, you're 63 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: on record, and that search would be able to happen 64 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: behind the scenes in the new end of the platform. 65 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: If you were sixteen or above, you know, it's. 66 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: Interesting interviewed Johann Hari might have been last year I 67 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: think about technology and how we are all being fed. 68 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: We are it's not our fault that this is all 69 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: happening to us. But he made an interesting point that 70 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: we tend to think the genie's out of the bottle, 71 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: but he said, this technology is so relatively new we 72 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: forget we are still in charge. We can make changes, 73 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: but we have to make those at the top accountable. 74 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: Do you know there is the accountability with the platforms, 75 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: of course, but there's also a lot of the comments 76 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: I'm getting ay in a minute. It's the responsibility of 77 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: the parents, Yes, it is, But the hard part that 78 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: they're caught in is the parents feel powerless because they 79 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: don't want social isolation for their kid at school because 80 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: they're not on that platform and everybody else is. So 81 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: they come home and you're trying to do the right 82 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: thing by your kid as a parent. But I think 83 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: as you guys would know that you spend your life 84 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: trying to be a good parent and trying to have 85 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: the right influence on your kid, and then all of 86 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: a sudden they're being fed something that an algorithm has 87 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: decided to feed them. Now, whatever they may have looked 88 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: at or whatever they may have been interested in has 89 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: then triggered that algorithm to continue to serve them that. 90 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: So if there's any issues within themselves or a lack 91 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: of confidence, that algorithm will dig out that lack of 92 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: confidence and continue to reinforce by serving them that content. 93 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, that child's world is completely 94 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: consumed by the infinite scrolling on the one topic. So 95 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: it's all these addictive features where really you spend your 96 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: life being ranked every moment you're online. It's just it's terrible. 97 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: It's a disaster. 98 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: And it's like the automobile industry, from seat belts to 99 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: drink driving laws, to speed limits to banning high powered 100 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: cars back in the seventies. Yeah, high powered motorbikes. This 101 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: is a thing. So this isn't something that we can 102 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: just say, oh, it's a parent's problem. Is this goes 103 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: right up to the top. And I think what we're doing, 104 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 3: this is where change can actually happen. 105 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: People to and talk is one thing, But what can 106 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: we do? Do we sign a petition? What do we do? 107 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? We do. Look there is the petition side of it, 108 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: and sometimes I feel like, you know, what does the 109 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: signature mean? Well, a signature really is a voice. It's 110 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: the same as mine. It's the same as you guys 111 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: being generous to have me on your platform to share this. 112 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: So we want everybody to go to thirty six months 113 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: dot com dot Au. There is a petition that you 114 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: can sign. You can leave a message also, I mean 115 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: we have videos on there from teachers in particular who 116 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: are saying there's so many teachers leaving the industry because 117 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: they can't do their job anymore because majority of the 118 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: time is taken up trying to put out social media 119 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: fires between students. So this is kind of where it's 120 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: got to. So you're now lacking and do you know 121 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: the sad thing is sometimes I think nothing gets done 122 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: unless it's a commercial world. So if we're able to 123 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: point out even to the government that hang on a minute, 124 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: you're going to need to put more money into resources 125 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: to balance the act of what this is doing, then 126 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: maybe then it'll kick into gear. But we're having some 127 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: real good conversations at high levels regarding what we can 128 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: possibly do here. But you know what, someone's got a 129 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: scream and I appreciate you guys having me on So 130 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: thirty six months dot com dot are you to sign 131 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: the petition. 132 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 3: You're a big screamer. 133 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, mate, which was my nickname for a long 134 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: time and I took that mantle off you. 135 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: I blame social media for that and the rivalry is back. 136 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: Heap back to Kate Vincey. Tellhimaya we said hello and 137 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 3: to sign the thirty six months petition, head to the 138 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: website thirty six months dot com dot au whip. Thank 139 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: you for joining us. 140 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: I love you guys, kiss kiss. 141 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: Lots of love. Bye.