1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, brand Beckham 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: implodes as Brooklyn dishes the dirt on his own parents 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: and Matt Zakowski reveals the truth about his three month marriage. 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: But first, I feel like I'm sixteen again because Hillary 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: Duff is finally back performing. We were watching so many 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: tiktoks of her at our family dinner. I think everyone 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: was getting annoyed and we're like, just shut up about Hillary. 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: There was someone in our Facebook group who did a 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: welfare check, asking if we were okay, because it has 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: been a massive week in pop culture, particularly our queen 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: Hillary Duff being back. It's hard to believe it's been 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: over ten years since she's performed live. Because she was 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: on Pointlin. I was frothing all of the video clips. 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, she better come to Adelaide. I mean in 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: saying that I definitely will travel to the Eastern States 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: if she appears there. And these live shows have been 19 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: part of this series of limited intimate concerts called Small Room, 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: Big Nerves Tour, and I think the marketing is absolutely 21 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: genius because she has created such a buzz. There's this 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: scarcity around tickets, so everyone feels like they're missing out 23 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: and going. And I think when her album drops in February, 24 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: she's going to release a worldwide tour. Kate, you kept 25 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: mentioning that this was a live concert. When I first 26 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: saw the clips of Hilary singing, I was like, Oh 27 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: my god, she sounds amazing. Is she lip syncing? But 28 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: I've looked into it and I've watched closely a lot 29 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: of the videos and it does appear that she is 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: actually singing live. And I saw her voice coach write 31 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: down in one of the comments under one of the videos, saying, 32 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: we've worked so hard to get to this point because 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: she sounded incredible. I know she's copped a lot of 34 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: stick in the past, people saying, oh, she can't actually sing, 35 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: it's all auto tune. But you can tell she's gone 36 00:01:46,160 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: away and she's really worked on her voice. It's interesting 37 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: because it was the first time ever she's actually performed 38 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: What Dreams Are Made Of Life? So that was because 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: Disney had all these stipulations around it, because it was 40 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: in the Lizzie Maguire movie. I love that Hilary didn't 41 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: take herself too seriously and was able to pay herself 42 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: out because I think everyone has seen that viral clip 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: of her from Good Morning America. It was from like 44 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago where she's dancing and she's giving it 45 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. It looks like she can't be bothered to 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: be on stage. And she ended up getting some of 47 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: her fans up to do this dance with her and 48 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: it was absolutely hilarious. And the best thing is her 49 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: new music is really good, Like I can see Roommates 50 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: being a real hit on the radio. I couldn't help 51 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: but think about her children having to hear some of 52 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: the lyrics though. Oh yeah, it was something about touching 53 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: us a porn and I was like, God, her son 54 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: is here, something like sixteen or something. He's probably getting 55 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: so much flak at school about it. So an oral 56 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: sex reference in there that they've put on a billboard 57 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: to promote the album. So I mean, I'm sure a 58 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: lot of men have those sorts of lyrics. Everyone's like 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: thinking of their children. It's fine. Need to keep remembering 60 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: that all of her audience is now late thirties. It's 61 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: a move away from the squeaky clean Disney girl. That's 62 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: why it's just funny. And it actually seems like she's 63 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: had some control over the lyrics. And she's been working 64 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: with her husband, Matthew Korma, and I really love her 65 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: husband because he's her biggest hype girl. He seems to 66 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: be in awe of her, which I completely understand. She 67 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: has three more shows coming up. The next is over 68 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: the weekend in Toronto and then in Brooklyn and la 69 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks coming up, so we 70 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: should be seeing a lot more Hillary content over our 71 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: TikTok feeds, which I'm a huge fan of. I want 72 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: to start a petition to get Hillary Duff on the podcast. 73 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, wouldn't that be absolutely incredible because we 74 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: have met her back in the day when we were seventeen. 75 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: I think I barely managed to utter a word to her. 76 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: I hopefully now I might be able to, you know, 77 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: string a sentence to this. Let us know if you 78 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: want us to share the photo. It is pretty embarrassing. No, no, 79 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm putting it out I'm putting it out there. Actually, 80 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: if listeners rally behind us to get Hillary Duff on 81 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: the show, we'll get a new photo and put the 82 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: other one next. Start sliding into her DM saying you 83 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: have to go on the Outspoken podcast. 84 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: It was before the. 85 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: Worst kept secret of twenty twenty six is out. Matt 86 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: Zukowski has made his way into the I'm a Celeb 87 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: Jungle off the back of his high profile divorce from 88 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: Tammy hembro The podcaster didn't wait long to drop his 89 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: famous x's name, using his time in the spotlight to 90 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: share his side of the story. Now, So if it's 91 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: clear that Network tennesseees Matt as a drawer card for viewers, yeah, 92 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: they know that young people are going to tune in 93 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: in the hope of Matt airing his side of this divorce. 94 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: Because up until now, both parties have remained pretty tight lips. 95 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: So there is still a lot of intrigue around what 96 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,119 Speaker 1: actually went down. And the producers ended up leaving Matt 97 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: and fellow contestant Cyclone ciderel as the final celebrity reveals, 98 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: and Matt did not hold back his teaser clip painting 99 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: a very unflattering depiction of his marriage to Tammy hembroke 100 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: straight off the bat. Let's take a listen to what 101 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: he said. 102 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: I would be lying if I said I wasn't nervous 103 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: about going in there, but I just got out a 104 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 3: pretty scary marriage, So how scary Can this actually be? 105 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: The fact he said scary marriage and said that I 106 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: got out off, that is putting all the blame onto 107 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: I think he was very deliberate in his use of 108 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: the word scary as well, And if I was Tammy, 109 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: I would be getting very nervous about what he is 110 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: actually going to reveal on the show, because when celebrities 111 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: get asked to go on the show, and I do 112 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: use the term celebrities quite loosely because I don't know 113 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: a lot of these contestants, but usually they are invited 114 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: on because they give them an opportunity to reshape a 115 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: narrative that's been built about them, or to share a 116 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: personal story that they've never told before. And in this case, 117 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: when Tammy and Matt's divorce broke a lot of Matt's 118 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: friends were sliding into influence of Watchdog accounts, include our 119 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: own page, and shopping around some quite troubling stories about 120 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: why the couple broke up, and for legal reasons, as 121 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: we've mentioned before, we aren't going to share Matt's friends claims, 122 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: But it seems like Matt is appearing on the show 123 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: to tell his side of the divorce and to change 124 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: the public's perception of him, And by using the word scary, 125 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: there's almost like a threat there that there's a scary 126 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: situation involved. The thing is, though Channel ten wouldn't be 127 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: able to air the claims that Matt's friends were sliding 128 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: into our dms with but I suppose that's probably why 129 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: they allowed the word scary, because it paints a picture 130 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: without actually saying that much, and I think, like he 131 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: has done on his podcast, he will continue speaking in 132 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: riddles about the relationship, which is probably how Channel ten 133 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: can get around it because the state that the network 134 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: is in, they can't afford to be sued by Tammy Hembroke. 135 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: It's interesting off the bat that Channel ten have been 136 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: referring to him as the reality bad boy, because I 137 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: know he was on Love Island and he was a 138 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: bit of a wanker. But I thought that maybe they 139 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: would have sold it to him is like, this is 140 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: your big chance to change the way people perceive you. 141 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: But lately him as a bad boy, he wouldn't be 142 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: keen on that. Yeah, But they're providing him a redemption 143 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: arc by initially referring to him as a bad boy, 144 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: so they're giving him the opportunity to change the public's 145 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: opinion on the show. It's pretty funny because on the 146 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: show they actually often have a little super that comes 147 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: up with the contestant's name and who they are, essentially 148 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: under it because everyone's clueless. And during the second episode 149 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: he was on it said reality hunk, right, So they've 150 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: already changed the narrative way. It's interesting because you know, 151 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: the narrative about Matt throughout his relationship with Tammy is 152 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: that he was a bit of a dirty dog and 153 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: he was talking to other girls behind her back. But 154 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: from a bit of next super that pops down dirty dog. 155 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: But the thing is, it sounds like from all reports 156 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: that both parties played a pretty big role in this 157 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: turbulent relationship coming to an end. I think that he 158 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: is going to have a bit of a redemption arc 159 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: because months ago, friend of the podcast Amber from Influencer Updates, 160 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: she shared a rumor that Matt would be appearing on 161 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: the show, and the anonymous user said that they actually 162 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: overheard Matt talking at a pub about the show and 163 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: how he made it into the finale. To me, this 164 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: indicates that the show is going to paint him in 165 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: a favorable way and he's been able to win over 166 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: his fellow contestants. Well, we saw a similar thing with 167 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley, So she went onto the show as a 168 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: bit of a controversial influencer with a string of scandals 169 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: behind her, but the public loved her, her fellow contestants 170 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: loved her, and she ended up winning the show. So 171 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting because it's the first time 172 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: since COVID that this show has been pre recorded, so 173 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: we're only finding out now when the episodes drop how 174 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: the public are actually going to start perceiving him. According 175 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: to Women's Day, this season was actually recorded in November 176 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: and production wrap before Christmas, so a production insider told 177 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: the publication it's a bubble. Phones are gone, they under 178 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: strict contracts, and they're surrounded by a crew that can 179 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: swell to several hundreds of people when you include camera operators, 180 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: medics and security. The insider also said that the pre 181 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: recorded format allows ten to work on the episodes more, 182 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: adding that the extra time has paid off. What does 183 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: that mean massaging the storylines and obviously creating redemption arcs 184 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: and you know, telling the story that they want. Essentially 185 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: mean if they get a panicked call from the Hembros 186 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: being like we're gonna fucking sue you if you say anything, 187 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: they're like, shit, we can edit this out, we can 188 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: edit it. Probably Also, do you think it's a chance 189 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: to play on how the public perceive the contestants, So 190 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: maybe they're looking at social media or reactions and going, oh, 191 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: we need to put more of this person on because 192 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: the public loving There's also been a lot of confusion 193 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: about how the winner is going to be selected because 194 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: it is by a public vote, and this insider revealed 195 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: that it is still Australia who chooses the winner, saying 196 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: that multiple endings have been pre recorded, which will then 197 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: match up with whoever the public vote for. How awk 198 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: could would that be? Having to pretend that you want Yeah, 199 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: like the doing the reactioning credit mountains every year with 200 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: Master Chef, so the winner doesn't get lead. That kind 201 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: of ruins it a little bit. I think we really 202 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: need to get into The episode aired on Tuesday night. 203 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: A listener suggested that we should have had a watch 204 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: party for it, and I really liked that idea, but 205 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: I thought it would be best if we saved our 206 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: thoughts for now. I would have loved to have done 207 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: a goggle Box style reaction to this. We've joked in 208 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: the past that we should create our own YouTube show 209 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: called vloggle Box, or we watch vlogs. But I'm excited 210 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: to talk to you guys now about it. At least, 211 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: I mean, what were your thoughts on Matt. How do 212 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: you think he came across Initially? Well, it seemed like 213 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: the whole first episode was really centered around Matt, and 214 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: it seemed like all of the contestants had been told 215 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: to ask him a lot of questions. So contestant Nath Valvo, 216 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: who is a comedian from The Cheap Seats, was talking 217 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: about how his life tip is to marry someone who 218 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: is the complete opposite of you, and this was the 219 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: perfect segue for Matt to drop that he had an 220 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: ex wife, and the conversation quickly turned to children and 221 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: Nath asked if Matt wanted a family or kids someday, 222 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: and he replied very nonchalantly saying, I can't have kids. 223 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: I shoot blanks, which I shouldn't laugh because it's actually 224 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: so brave of him to open up about his tility, 225 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: but just the way he said it to solve the 226 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: bat Oh my buddy, I shoot blanks like see. I 227 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: actually thought he was quite uncomfortable about it. He kind 228 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: of wriggled around nervously as he said it. I mean, 229 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: I know he shared it publicly on his podcast before, 230 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: but this is a whole new level of audience that 231 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: he is opening himself. I always got the vibe that 232 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: he almost expected everyone there to already know that about him, 233 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: as in, you know that, Oh, how do you not 234 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: know this about me already? I'm a pretty big deal. Well, 235 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: Danny Hines clearly had no clue who he was, and 236 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: she was amazing. She did the lord's work because she 237 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: fired all these hard hitting questions at him. So she 238 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: said to Matt that he can always try IVF if 239 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 1: he wants to have a baby one day. And this 240 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: is when Matt dropped Tammy's name. Let's take a listen. 241 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: So my ex wife, box wife, excuse me, would you 242 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 3: like to rewhine on that one? So we were trying 243 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 3: to like figuring it out, like we had a call 244 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: on that. 245 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: When I heard this, I was like, oh, my Gosh's 246 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: he dropping a bomb that they were trying for a child. 247 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: But then I remembered that when Tammy appeared on his 248 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: podcast ahead of their wedding, they touched on the fact 249 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: that they would like to have a child of their 250 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: own and they were open to investigating every avenue. Well. 251 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: He also spoke about it on his controversial Inherited interview, 252 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: and it's pretty interesting because that episode dropped in May, 253 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: but Matt revealed on I'm a Celeb that the couple 254 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: actually were only married for three months, so potentially he 255 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: and Tammy were broken up when he recorded that interview. 256 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: It's interesting because during this segment on I'm a Celeb 257 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: he did say, oh, well, publicly it was seven months 258 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: that we were married, but in reality it was only 259 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: three months. And it was quite funny because Barry Williams, 260 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: who played Greg Brady in The Brady Bunch, joke that 261 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: by Hollywood standards, that was quite good to reach three months. 262 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: I love how there was a bit of confusion around 263 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: who Tammy Hembro was and people that do explain, and 264 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: then Mia Favola was like, nah, I'm all across that. 265 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: She went and told the camera that she hasn't got 266 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: a clue A lot of the time the actors and 267 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: movies from the nineties that a lot of the cast 268 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: were referencing, but she's like this, I know. It was 269 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: clear that Denny Heines had absolutely no idea who Tammy 270 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: Hembro was as well, and when she got Matt alone, 271 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: she asked him to tell her more about this three 272 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: month marriage, admitting that she was very intrigued. Do you 273 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: think the producers told her to ask more questions? Because 274 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: you know, it was coming from this person that didn't 275 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: really know much about him, didn't know who Tammy Hembro was. 276 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: It all seemed quite innocile. One percent. They would have 277 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: been in her ear saying hey, could you ask him X, 278 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: Y and Z. It was pretty funny because she was like, 279 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: how did this relationship even start? Like I got the 280 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: feeling that she seemed to think that Matt was being 281 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: scammed on the internet or something, because he said, oh yeah, 282 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: I slid into her DMS and then I asked if 283 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: she wanted to attend my podcast live show, and Denny 284 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: was like, also, did you know her before you messaged 285 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: her on Instagram? And Matt was like, oh no. To 286 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: be fair, there's a lot of catfish pretending to be 287 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro. I mean Tammy Hembros has referenced them in 288 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: a podcast interview with Jade Tun't. She's saying that she's 289 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: well aware that this man is getting scammed commenting on 290 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: our post. Now, I saw someone one of the listeners 291 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: comments like, Mage, this is the wrong post, Like this 292 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: isn't Tammy. Maybe Danny has heard of these scams before, 293 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: because she was like, and what made you think that 294 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: you were going to have a relationship with someone that 295 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: you met off the internet? And he was like, oh, Danny, 296 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: that's sort of how relationships start these days. I mean, 297 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: has she been living under a rock as she never 298 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: heard of dating apps? Well, she ended up asking him 299 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: what happened during the marriage for things to end so abruptly. 300 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what they said. 301 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: It was before. I was very much convinced that things 302 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: would get better once we were married and things would change, 303 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: and it actually got a lot worse. 304 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: It's interesting because from what he says, it seems like 305 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: he believes that he is the victim in this relationship 306 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: and he was sort of just going along for the 307 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: ride and almost as if you know he was this young, 308 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: impressionable guy that was being misled by this powerful, rich influencer. Well, 309 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: he's almost deluding that there was bad behavior on Tammy's end, 310 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: and she did a lot of convincing that I won't 311 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: behave in that way. Once we're married, it's all going 312 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: to change. I mean, it's very against what came out 313 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: publicly and what he addressed on his podcast when there 314 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: was that whole Grand Prix cheating scandal. I mean, I 315 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: think it's almost worse when you talk in riddles because 316 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: then people, you know, paint up all these different scenarios 317 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: that might not be true. Maybe, as you said, he 318 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: has to talk in riddles because you know, the rumors 319 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: that they've been shopping around. You could hardly go on 320 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: national TV and start saying those as facts. Yeah, it 321 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: was pretty funny because Denny told Matt that he needs 322 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: to stop thinking with his dick and start thinking with 323 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: his head and asked him if he wanted to get 324 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: married one day, and he said, yeah, I think so. 325 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: Matt then told the diary room camera this, I did. 326 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: Love my ex wife, and I did do it out 327 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: of hope that we could work on things and make 328 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: it work. I I gave it a try to to 329 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 3: make that work. I definitely did. I lost a lot 330 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 3: of myself in that relationship. 331 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: I saw this hilarious TikTok that was saying, did you 332 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: really try and give it you all? I mean, your 333 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: marriage lasted for three months. I don't think there was 334 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: much effort going in. I mean, I was the researcher 335 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: behind our five part Tammy Hembro series, and to be 336 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: fair to Matt, it seems like a lot of the 337 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: drama went on before the wedding. It wasn't just like, oh, 338 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: they were so happy before the wedding and suddenly it 339 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: all crumbled. I mean, clearly they shouldn't have gotten married, 340 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: but they He said it was pear shape before the wedding. 341 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: It's a bit like Olivia Rodgers' short marriage to Justin McKean. 342 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: It almost felt like that wedding went ahead because of 343 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: the pressure from social media, and I wonder if it 344 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: was the same with Tammy and Matt. There were probably 345 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: heaps of times where they could have called it off, 346 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: but they would have been really embarrassed. Was also because 347 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: they wanted to prove their family wrong. It was sort 348 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: of like we'll show them now. I'm a Celeb ended 349 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: up sharing a snippet of this conversation to their Instagram 350 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: account and it went absolutely viral. At the time of recording, 351 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: it's had over two hundred thousand views and one four 352 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: hundred sand ons. One person in the comment section wrote, 353 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: let's be honest, he wouldn't have even got the spot 354 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: on I'm a Celebrity if he didn't marry t Hammy 355 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: in the first place. But this is what happens when 356 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: you meet someone on socials and propose. Three months later, 357 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: another said his ex is why he's on the show, Denny, 358 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: whilst another said not disrespectful disclosing their private life with 359 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: a smile. He's seeking fame. She has young children, think 360 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: of them, not you on national TV? Disgusting. Do you 361 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: think that Channel ten tried to get Tammy on the 362 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: show first and she declined or her figure was just 363 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: too large to appear? Because she is appearing as a 364 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: contestant on Channel nine's show Shark, which I doubt will 365 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: be as popular as this show. Well, potentially she could 366 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: have a multi deal show with Channel nine, which means 367 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: that she can't appear on I'm a Celeb. I mean, 368 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: I think the producers would have way rather had her 369 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: on there than Matt. Well, there are reports that Rachel Hunter, 370 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: she's probably the most well known person in I'm a Celeb. 371 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: She's apparently getting around one hundred and forty to one 372 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy thousand dollars for her appearance on the show. 373 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: So Channel ten probably just didn't have enough in the 374 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: kiddy left to pay Tammy and thought we could get 375 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: Matt for cheap and the same viewers will tune in 376 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: to hear all the goss. Well, they've also got Robert Irwin, 377 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: who's star is just on the absolute rise at the 378 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: moment as the host, and you know, his paycheck's probably 379 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: gone up. I think Channel ten needs to get Tammy 380 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: on as the next bachelorette and that's how they'll bring 381 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: the show back. That would be a good revival. But 382 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: I feel like the tide is turning on Tammy because 383 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: this week she posted a story which was really a 384 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: subtle dig at Matt and obviously came off the back 385 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: of his appearance on I'm a Celeb. So on her 386 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: Instagram stories, she revealed that she was finally getting her 387 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: wedding date lasered off her as well as a Matt tattoo. 388 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what she said. 389 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 4: So my tattoos I'm getting removed are my wedding date. No, 390 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 4: no surprise there that I don't really need that one anymore. 391 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 4: And then I have my ex's name down on my hip, 392 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 4: which I also don't need that one. 393 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: Now. A lot of people thought it was quite tacky 394 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: of Tammy to try and piggyback off Matt's appearance, and 395 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm a celebrity. People were like, why are you doing 396 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: this now? I mean, we all know Tammy Hembur is 397 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: calculated with what she puts out. My favorite part of 398 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: this whole story is that this was part of a 399 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: paid partnership that Tammy had with a numbing cream called 400 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: nummet And that name will sound familiar because Matt also 401 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: had a brand deal with numbtt ahead of their twenty 402 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: twenty four wedding, So ironically, in his video, he was 403 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: using numbtt cream to get a tattoo to remember their wedding. 404 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. 405 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 3: I wanted to get a tattoo to dedicate my love 406 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: to my fiance, but the pain I was not about 407 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 3: I wanted to enjoy this sentimental moment and not think 408 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: about the sting of the tattoo. So I have partnered 409 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 3: with Numbet numbing cream, which is number one numbing cream 410 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: in Australia pharmacies. 411 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: It seems like Tammy and Matt never learned, because Matt 412 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: also used numbtt to get a tattoo dedicated to his 413 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: ex girlfriend Jen removed from his ass. It's so funny 414 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: because a lot of influencers now have to be really 415 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: creative in how they weave in ads. I'd love to 416 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: be a flying the wall of all the marketing chats 417 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,239 Speaker 1: with Tammy Weather, like yeah, can you just mention your 418 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: failed marriage as part of this or just a little 419 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: snippet about it? And Numm probably already had these ads 420 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: scheduled into their diary, going, yeah, that relationship's going to end, 421 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: They're gonna get shit tattoos and here we go more 422 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: promotion for us. Well, alongside the tattoos dedicated to Matt 423 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: was this other big tattoo that I didn't even know 424 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: Tammy had on her side. So I'm guessing that originally 425 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, well, you can use the numb 426 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: for that tattoo, but she's sort of gone, oh, actually, 427 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: I think I'll have a potshot at Matt at the 428 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: same time. Well, talking about potshots, Tammy's bestie Isabelle Laws 429 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: went into bat for her. So underneath Matt's I'm a 430 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: celeb intro video, she wrote, confused, I thought you had 431 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: to be celeb to go on this show that speaks 432 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: absolute volumes. It's clear that Isabelle Laws did not have 433 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: any time for Matt. I mean she unfollowed Matt before 434 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: Tammy actually announced that they were no longer together. Before 435 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: we wrap up about Matt, we have to talk about 436 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: the challenge that he did because it raised a few 437 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: eyebrows and the podcaster was a cuy used of fake 438 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: crying and acting during this challenge. So he was asked 439 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: to face his biggest fear, which he claimed to be heights, 440 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: and in order to earn food for the camp, Matt 441 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: was lifted into the air on a beam and had 442 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: to walk across it to collect stars that looked so frightening, 443 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: like I'm actually legitimately scared of heights, and I was like, 444 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: there's no way I could do it. So the beam 445 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: gradually kept moving up higher and higher until it got 446 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: up to fifty meters, and then once it reached fifty 447 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: meters above the air, he then had the option of 448 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: jumping off to collect one final star, and this is 449 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: where he broke down in tears. Like it was funny 450 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: because they had one of those go pros attached to 451 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: his helmet and the faces that he was pulling were 452 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: literally perfect for memes. It was pretty funny, and people 453 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: have accused him of faking this and saying that actually, 454 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: heights isn't his phobia. We actually had a listener send 455 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: in a photo of him climbing the Sydney Harbor Bridge, 456 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: which is quite ironic because when he was asked about 457 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: his phobia from Rob Er, he said, I don't even 458 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: go on roller coasters. I don't do anything. I won't 459 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 1: even go out on a balcony of a hotel room. Like. 460 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: I just don't like heights. I don't like them to 461 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: be fair for work. I climbed the Adelaide Oval and 462 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: I'm scared of heights. So I don't know, are we 463 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: picking on him a bit too much? I mean it's 464 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: kind of clever when you think about it, you know, 465 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: do you be honest and say what your actual biggest 466 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: fear is and know that this show is going to 467 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: put you to the test, particularly when this is a 468 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: PI exercise. For Matt, like he has got a lot 469 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: riding on this, he has to look good because I 470 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: think people were saying on Twitter, Oh, he's got invisible tears, 471 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: there's nothing coming out of his eyes. I think he 472 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: looked legitimately shit scared. I think, if anything, he would 473 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: have been quite embarrassed by how he was reacting to 474 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: his fear. Yeah, but I think most of the audience 475 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: would be women watching this or families, and I think 476 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: that they would have a soft spot for Matt, for 477 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: him showing his emotions like that. But what I'm saying 478 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: is for him, I think he's got a lot of 479 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: close mates, and those photos would have been doing the 480 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: rounds in his group chat, like Hey, the shit out 481 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: of suit. So I don't think that he's like, Oh, 482 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to really ham it up. I'm going to 483 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: cry on this show so that I can look like 484 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: a legend and come back to camp, you know, winning 485 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: all of these meals for everyone. I don't think he's 486 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: actually that calculated. 487 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 2: Brooklyn's wedding was a very special day. And their first 488 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: dance as a married couple was very, very classy and 489 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: be hony, I am being hon he be hony, I 490 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: am being What did you do during Brooklyn's first dancer? 491 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: Is wedding? So Brooklyn's first dance was no one answer? 492 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 2: All right, Well, it's not a simple answer. What did 493 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: you do during Brooklyn's first dance? It depends no, no, 494 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: no no. What did you do during Brooklyn's first dances wedding? 495 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 2: I got on the stage and to worked. 496 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: Thank you. The long roomored family feud between David and 497 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: Victoria Beckham and their eldest son, Brooklyn has come to 498 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: a head earlier this week. Brooklyn broke his silence in 499 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: an eight hundred words statement shared to Instagram. In it, 500 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: he confirmed he was a strange from his family and 501 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: has no intentions reconciling with them. He also dropped some 502 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: explosive claims. Okay, before we get into those, let's get 503 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: listeners up to speed with how the Beckhams got to 504 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: this point. So rumors of a few first emerged in 505 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: the aftermath of Brooklyn's wedding to Nicola Peltz Beckham. That 506 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: was back in April twenty twenty two. For those not 507 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: familiar with Nikola, she is a thirty one year old 508 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: American actress who comes from a prominent billionaire family. So 509 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: her dad, Nelson is a businessman and investor who is 510 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: a MAGA supporter, so he actually donated to Donald Trump's 511 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: campaign in twenty twenty. Now Rumors of a rift first 512 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: started when Niccola didn't wear a wedding dress designed by Victoria, 513 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: despite early reports that she would. At the time, Page 514 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: six went as far as to report that a cold 515 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: war had erupted between Victoria and Nicola in the lead 516 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: up to the wedding. Now, despite this tabloid speculation, Brooklyn 517 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: and Nicola continued to appear alongside the rest of the 518 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: Beckham family at public events. That was until they were 519 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: in no sh at David's fiftieth birthday celebrations in May 520 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: last year. Now riff rumors intensified further when Brooklyn and 521 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: Nicola held a vow renewal ceremony in May last year 522 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: without the Beckham family in attendance. There were then reports 523 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: that Brooklyn sent his parents a cease and desist style 524 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: legal letter after Victoria liked one of his cooking videos 525 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: on Instagram. Then In December came the great unfollowing, so 526 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: super Sluic notice that the Beckhams were no longer following 527 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: Brooklyn and he was no longer following them now. The 528 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: speculation caused Brooklyn's brother Cruz to address the rumors a 529 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: few days out from Christmas, writing on Instagram, not true. 530 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: My mum and dad would never unfollow their son. They 531 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: woke up blocked, as did I. Gosh, it's all been 532 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: brewing for a while. Now we need to get into 533 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: Brooklyn's statement, as it was absolutely explosive. So he confirmed 534 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: long standing speculation that the riff was over his relationship 535 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: with Nicola. He went as far as saying that his 536 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: parents tried to ruin their relationship and consistently disrespected Nicola. 537 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: Brooklyn also used this statement to shift the narrative that 538 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: he's been controlled by his wife. He wrote, I do 539 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: not want to reconcile with my family. I am not 540 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: being controlled. I'm standing up for myself for the first 541 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: time in my life. I feel like it's fair to 542 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: say that Niccola has received somewhat of a Meghan Markele 543 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: edit the last couple of years. In fact, this situation 544 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: seems like a repeat of what happened with Harry and 545 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: Meghan back in twenty twenty when they left the Royal family. 546 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: People have always drawn parallels between the Beckhams and the 547 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: Royal family before this rift. I mean, when you think 548 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: about it, both families have provided a lot of scandal 549 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: and entertainment to the UK public and the world for 550 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: so many years. So it is fascinating when you consider 551 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: the treatment the women marrying into these British families have 552 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: received from the press and general public. I mean, the 553 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: biggest difference between the Beckhams and the Winsors is old 554 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: money and new money. That's the sort of the vibes. Yeah, 555 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: I mean definitely. But still, Nikola has been painted by 556 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: the press as this fame hungry American interloper who is 557 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: intent on splitting the Beckham family up, which is a 558 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: copy and paste of the Megan Markle Narrow Tales magazines, 559 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: doesn't it. It is also interesting when you consider, you know, 560 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: it's this American marrying into a British family, because there 561 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: is a big difference when it comes to Brits and 562 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: Americans when you think of you know, communication style. Americans 563 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: are very direct, I mean humor as well, class self promotion. 564 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: The list goes on, So I think that there is 565 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: a culture clash going on between both of these families 566 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: that has caused this feud. I find the timing of 567 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: brooklyn statement really interesting because he's doing so at a 568 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: time when his parents have never been more popular off 569 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: the back of their recent Netflix documentary series. In comparison, 570 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: he's gotten a pretty bad rap in the press lately. 571 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: He's often labeled as this NEPO baby who's yet to 572 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: find career success and pretty much is painted as someone 573 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: who just leaches off his parents. Yeah, and there's also 574 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: been accusations that he's hitting out at his parents who 575 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: have funded his lifestyle now that he's married into a 576 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: billionaire family. People are also accusing him of trying to 577 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: get his own Netflix doco. That's why they think he's 578 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: released this statement. And it's clear to me that he's 579 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: put this statement out in an attempt to get public 580 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: support and to change this narrative. But we will go 581 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: into that a little bit later, because I'm not sure 582 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: how successful it's been coming off the back of Brooklyn statement. 583 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: Victoria has been painted as this nightmare mother in law 584 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: and the most explosive claims from Brooklyn are centered around 585 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: his mother, So he claims that she backed out at 586 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: the last minute of designing Nikola's wedding dress and sabotage 587 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: the couple's first dance. So Brooklyn claims that when Mark 588 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: Anthony called him to the stage for his first dance, 589 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: which was supposed to be with his wife, his mum 590 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: was waiting there to dance with him instead. Now, if 591 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: you cast your minds back to the reports that were 592 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: coming out in twenty twenty two following the wedding, Mark 593 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: Anthony supposedly introduced Victoria as the most beautiful woman in 594 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: the room, which I mean, what the fuck God, can 595 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: you imagine at your wedding if someone introduced your mother 596 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: and Laura's the most beautiful, or anyone any other woman 597 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: except you Like that is just a no no. As 598 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: for the dance, Brooklyn wrote, she danced very inappropriately on 599 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: me in front of everyone. I have never felt more 600 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: uncomfortable or humiliated in my entire life. He then said 601 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: the reason that the couple recently renewed their wedding vows 602 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: was to create new memories of their wedding. Now everyone 603 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: is asking for the receipts and it seems like it's 604 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 1: unlikely they'll be coming, as Brooklyn and Nicola reportedly are 605 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: the only ones who have accessed to that vision. I 606 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: wonder if they got a Netflix doco, if they would 607 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: air it. Well, I mean, if you're going to be 608 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: making outlandish claims basically referring that your mum has the 609 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: hots for you, I mean, because that's essentially what he's 610 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: saying here, isn't it that this dancing is inappropriate? We're 611 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: going we're all getting this vision of her grinding up 612 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: against him, particularly because he said that it was a 613 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: very romantic song. I mean, that was vision that I 614 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: had in my head when I read this statement. But 615 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: surely we would have known about that by now if 616 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: there were five hundred guests there. I mean, potentially their 617 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: phones were taken away, but surely this information would have leaked. 618 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: Because so much has been leaked to the press about 619 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: the wedding. I just can't get over these claims. I think, 620 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: because I now have a son, I'm putting myself in 621 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: the position of Victoria, and how hurtful and upsetting it 622 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: would be for this child that you have invested so 623 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: much of your time, energy love into to then come 624 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: out and humiliate you in that way. I mean, who's 625 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: coming up with these claims? Was it Brooklyn or did 626 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: Nikola find it with well? I think the public reaction 627 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: has been interesting because I think there's a divide between 628 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: boy moms like ourselves and those who have had nightmare 629 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: mother in law's and I think the boy mums are 630 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: on Posh and Beck's side. Well, anyone who has a 631 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: nightmare in law is team Brooklyn. And I think people 632 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: are definitely projecting their own family dynamics onto this situation 633 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: because as a boy mum myself, I find this whole 634 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: competition between a mother and daughter in law really gross. 635 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: Not to mention this incest element that is being pushed, 636 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: it's incredibly misogynistic. I also want to point out, and 637 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: this is not just directed at Nikola, but you know, 638 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: to be fair, there often is a red flag when 639 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: someone cuts off their entire family once they're in a 640 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: new relationship with someone. Also have to say that quite 641 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: often when it comes to weddings, it's the bride's family 642 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: who kind of get the better deal. You know, they 643 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: get to come up that the mum gets to come 644 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: and help with the dress, and she's usually there in 645 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: the morning, whereas the groom's family are sort of playing 646 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: second fiddle. So for Victoria, they're coming into this situation 647 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: where Brooklyn is marrying a billionaire, so one I wonder 648 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,959 Speaker 1: who funded most of the wedding if it was an 649 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: equal split. So she's probably thinking, well, of course, I mean, 650 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: you're acting as if they haven't got much money. They're 651 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: also close to billionaire status, like they're not poor. I 652 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: understand that, but the Peltzer seemed to come from old money, 653 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,239 Speaker 1: like they scream old money. So I feel like they 654 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: were very traditional and they probably were like, no, we're 655 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: calling the shots with this wedding. And I feel like 656 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: Victoria and David felt like they were just invited to 657 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: the wedding that they weren't actually part of it. So 658 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: maybe this is where Victoria thought, hold in a second, 659 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: I need a moment in this wedding, so I would 660 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: like a dance with my son. So maybe she did 661 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: hijacket in that moment, but I kind of get it. 662 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can agree with you there, Sophie, 663 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: because even if you feel like you're on the outer 664 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: at your son's wedding, I don't think you should hijack 665 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: the wedding and make it about yourself. I think you 666 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: could have a private conversation that you were feeling a 667 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: little bit unloved, but I think you do that after 668 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: the wedding. I'm not saying that she should have made 669 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: it all about her, but when you reflect on weddings, 670 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: there's this really beautiful moment where the dad walks the 671 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: door to down the aisle. Quite often the mums get 672 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: left out of things, and maybe she thought, well, I 673 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: want to have a really nice moment with my son. 674 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, maybe she was passing it off as 675 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: this surprise and it sort of has backfired on her. 676 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: We also know that Victoria loves a dance and we 677 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: have seen that with a lot of the memes that 678 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: have been coming out. Yeah. Well, the internet has absolutely 679 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: exploded with memes and parodies of what people imagine this 680 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: dance was like. And I have just been laughing NonStop, 681 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: like they continuously are in my feed. Super Slus also 682 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: pulled up an old tweet Victoria posted at the start 683 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: of last year, which read, never met a dance floor 684 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: I didn't like. There's also a recent clip from Christmas 685 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, a Victoria dancing with her father that 686 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: has resurfaced. So at the time there was commentary that 687 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: the clip made people feel uncomfortable and people were saying, 688 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: you don't dance with your dad like that. So I 689 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: just wonder is this just the way Victoria danced with everyone? Well, 690 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: Cruz Beckham liked one of the parodies and it was 691 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: by a UK comedian who put up a video of 692 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: himself pretending to be the DJ at the wedding and 693 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: he's like, the mother of the groom has requested pony. 694 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: I genuinely think though this might be a class or 695 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: cultural divide between the Beckhams and the Peltzers. Like we 696 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: all have seen that Victoria loves a cheesy dance. I 697 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: mean the dance she did with David to Islands in 698 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: the Street went absolutely viral off the back of the 699 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: Beckham doco. I think this has just been all taken 700 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: out of context. Well, while Victoria had copped the brunt 701 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: of this statement, David wasn't let off the hook. So 702 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: Brooklyn addressed why he wasn't in attendance at his father's birthday. 703 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: He claims that he and Nicola made the trip to 704 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: London to spend time with his dad, but they were 705 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: rejected by David. So Brooklyn alleges that David gave him 706 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: two options. The first was to meet him at the 707 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: party with one hundred guests and cameras at every corner 708 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: or in private, under the condition that Nicola wasn't invited. Now, 709 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: this led into the other bombshell claim, the Beckham's put 710 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: brand ahead of family. So Brooklyn said he grew up 711 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: with overwhelming anxiety and claims that for his entire life, 712 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 1: his parents have controlled narratives in the press about their family. 713 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: He went on to write the performative social media posts, 714 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: family events and inauthentic relationships have been a fixture of 715 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: the life I was born into. Now Brooklyn also brought 716 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 1: up the trademarking of his name, so in his statement, 717 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: he claimed his parents pressured and bribed him to sign 718 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: away the rights to his own name's commercial use before 719 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: his wedding. Now, the trademark was set to expire in 720 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six so for people who were confused about this, 721 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, when Brooklyn was just sixteen, Victoria registered 722 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: a trademark for his name. So this means that Victoria 723 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: owns the legal right to use his name for commercial products, 724 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: and it's pretty typical behavior of celebrities. So the Kardashians 725 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: have all trademarked their kids' names. It's basically safeguarding their 726 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: names against other people bringing out products under their names. 727 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: But what it means now is that Brooklyn can't control 728 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: how his name is used, and this may be why 729 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: Brooklyn has been using Brooklyn Peltz Beckham publicly since he 730 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: got married. I think he would have changed his last 731 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: name regardless, because he really comes across as a wife man, 732 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: like he is all in it for Nicola. Doesn't he 733 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: have a weird tattoo of her face on his arm? 734 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 1: I think he has like fifteen tattoos of her. He's 735 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: very devoted to her. I can see why the Beckhams 736 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: have probably got read flot going. I mean, that's a 737 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: little bit over the top. The part that got me 738 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn's statement was him saying that he and Nikola 739 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: wanted privacy, and like, well, why have you just aired 740 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: all of this dirty laundry, Like clearly you know this 741 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: is gonna blow up. It's a bit like Harry and 742 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: Meghan calling for privacy but then doing every Netflix show. 743 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's been a massive mistake for 744 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: Brooklyn to go public with this statement, because there's no 745 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: going back after this and moving forward, he's going to 746 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: be defined by this, and he's going to be continuously 747 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: asked by the press about his statement, and he's not 748 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: working on equal footing because the Beckhams has spent the 749 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: last thirty years elevating themselves essentially to legendary pop culture status, 750 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: and I mean that's only intensified off the back of 751 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 1: their Netflix docos. People really feel like they know Posh 752 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: and Becks. I mean, their dramas have been a constant 753 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: soap opera in so many of our lives, and all 754 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: Brooklyn has done is add to the theatrics and cemented 755 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: his parents further into these pop culture characters. And if 756 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: you think about the public's perception of Brooklyn, it's that 757 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 1: he's a sport little brat who doesn't have a job, which, 758 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: whether that's fair or not, that it actually is the 759 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: perception of him at the moment. Also, when it comes 760 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: to Victoria, it's really difficult for people to see her 761 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: and Posh Spice as separate entities, even thirty years on 762 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: from her being in the spy skills and with the 763 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 1: reputation that she's gotten from working in the high fashion industry. 764 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: I feel like Brooklyn's accusations are really on brand for Victoria. 765 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: It's sort of what you expect her to be, Like, 766 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: it almost plays into that character more because I can 767 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: imagine Victoria finding it very difficult not to be a 768 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: main character in her son's wedding. And I think that 769 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: we kind of take a look at that and think, oh, 770 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: that's kind of funny, like that, oh, like, good on it. 771 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: That's why we've seen the Internet explode with memes because 772 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, well, they're all characters in this 773 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: soap opera, and it takes the seriousness away from some 774 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: of his claims because it's like, we're just like taking 775 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: the piss out of the Beckhams, like Victoria Beckham has 776 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: had the piss taken out of her whole career. And 777 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: as you said, Amy, everyone loves poking fun at Brooklyn 778 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: for being an epo baby. Can you imagine, though, if 779 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: these claims were reversed and it was actually half a 780 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: man making them about David saying oh, he danced with 781 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: me inappropriately, I feel like that would almost be taken 782 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: more seriously on the internet. Do you remember there was 783 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: this clip going viral on TikTok of David giving his 784 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: daughter Harper kiss on the lips and people were put 785 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: off by it. I mean, I do think it's true 786 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: that people wouldn't be taking the piss out of it 787 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,439 Speaker 1: if that was the case. What do you guys think 788 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: Victoria and David are going to do next? They have 789 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: been active on social media, so I saw today that 790 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: Victoria wished Emma Bunten a happy birthday. What is an 791 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: interesting twist in this story is that Victoria and David 792 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: would have had to read Brooklyn's statement in the press. 793 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 1: They wouldn't have got a heads up first because they're 794 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: blocked on his Instagram, so they couldn't have even clicked 795 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: on it and seen what he said about them. I'm 796 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: assuming one of their managers had to or quickly send 797 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: it to them. I mean everyone's saying, oh, are we 798 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: going to hear from Victoria and David? But I think 799 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: it's best that they say nothing. I mean, that's been 800 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: their long running media strategy. We saw it on the 801 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: Netflix doco. They didn't talk about David's well publicized affair 802 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: with Rebecca Louse. So I think that they're just going 803 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: to do what they normally do and ignore it, because 804 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: if they do comment on it, that opens themselves up 805 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: to every time they face the media to be asked 806 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,479 Speaker 1: about it. But if they remain quiet, then they don't 807 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: have to say anything. Yeah, I don't think they're going 808 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: to comment on it, but I think their PR team 809 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: will be working in overdrive feeding different stories to the 810 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: media about Nicola. Surely Brown Beckham will also leak the 811 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: vision of Victoria and Brooklyn dancing at the wedding if 812 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: it's in her favor. What I find so hypocritical in 813 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: that statement is Brooklyn being like, all my family do 814 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: is get their PR team to put out negative stories 815 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: about me and Nicola. Well, how did the press have 816 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: all of the stories which were favoring him in Nicola 817 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: out originally? Because these stories about the wedding came out 818 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, exactly, there's been leaking on both 819 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: sides of the family. I mean, what can they really do. 820 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: They're not going to come out and slam their own son. 821 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,879 Speaker 1: David did speak at a social media conference a day 822 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: after brooklyn statement came out, and he kind of had 823 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: a bit of a smile as he said, Oh, you know, 824 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: kids need to learn from them by their mistakes and 825 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So I think it's going to 826 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: be a few offhand comments because in saying not much, 827 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: I mean the sad reality is the only way I 828 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: can see the Beckham family, you know, getting over this 829 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: and reuniting is if Brooklyn gets divorced. Well, that is 830 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: where we are going to leave things today. Thank you 831 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: so much for joining us for this episode. 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