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Speaker 1: Joining us in the studio today for the week that was.

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Speaker 1: We've got the oppositions Marie Claire Boothby, Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning Katie, and listeners.

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Speaker 3: We have got well the Government's Kate Warden.

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Speaker 1: She's the Minister for Police and Territory, Families and various portfolios.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Kate.

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Speaker 4: I thing Katie. Great to be with you again.

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Speaker 1: And from nine years Darwin for the first time, we've

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Speaker 1: got Georgie Dicketson. Good morning to you, Georgie, Katie. Happy Friday,

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday. I love Fridays. I love it when we've

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Speaker 1: got a full line up. It certainly makes my job

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Speaker 1: easier because everyone does the talking. And I'm very pleased

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Speaker 1: to say that we are back online. We're having some

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Speaker 1: issues with our live streaming, and I know that there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of people who were messaging all throughout

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Speaker 1: the last couple of days saying Wolfie, please sort it out.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to listen and we can't hear. So we

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Speaker 1: are back online. You'll be able to hear everything as

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Speaker 1: it happens.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: First off, this morning, I'm keen to talk about the

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Speaker 1: fact that we found out yesterday on the show Well

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Speaker 1: I read a message out from one of our listeners,

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Speaker 1: and listener question was, Hi, Katie, we tried to book

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Speaker 1: a Jetstar flight from Darwin to Bali for October. Flight

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Speaker 1: schedule between the seventh of October and the tenth of November.

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Speaker 1: Now we asked Minister Nicole Manison about this, a tourism

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Speaker 1: minister on the show yesterday, and she said she wasn't

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Speaker 1: sure why those flights weren't happening, but to her credit,

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Speaker 1: got back to us within about thirty minutes to tell

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Speaker 1: us I can confirm the changes to Jetstars, DOO and

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Speaker 1: to dimpest our flights that your listener noticed is due to.

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Speaker 3: The runway works.

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Speaker 1: This is why we need Defense to urgently give certainty

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Speaker 1: around the scheduled works and the timeline. The Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: government had been calling for this to be sorted out

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Speaker 1: as quickly as possible and to minimize disruptions to airlines,

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Speaker 1: as we don't want to see a loss of services

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Speaker 3: I should say during these.

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Speaker 1: Works now, there is no doubt that this flight is

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Speaker 1: going to have an impact to lots of Territorians. I

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Speaker 1: think it's safe to say everybody enjoys going across to.

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Speaker 3: Bali for our holiday.

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Speaker 1: But I think the concern here as well is that

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Speaker 1: these works that are going to get underway, we know

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Speaker 1: that they're will and truly needed, but what impact it's

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Speaker 1: going to have Two other flights that have been scheduled Now,

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Speaker 1: the Department of Defense has said that Defense intends to

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Speaker 1: undertake major maintenance works of runways and associated taxiways at

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Speaker 1: the Royal Australian Air Force Base in Darwen and Darwen

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Speaker 1: International Airport during twenty twenty three twenty four. These essential

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Speaker 1: works will support the safe and efficient operation of the

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Speaker 1: airport for at least the next decade. It continues by

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Speaker 1: saying that Defense does not have any involvement in the

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Speaker 1: scheduling or cancelation of civilian flights. The Airport Development Group,

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Speaker 1: which manages the Darwin International Airport, is responsible for liaison

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Speaker 1: Airport Development Group has said that Defense has management and

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Speaker 1: control for delivering maintenance and repairs at the Darwin International Airport,

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Speaker 1: with major runway works planned to take place over the

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Speaker 1: coming twelve to eighteen months. Meanwhile, we know then that

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Speaker 1: Jetstar is saying, well, we have temporarily stopped selling direct

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Speaker 1: flights between Darwen and Dimpas are scheduled from the ninth

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Speaker 1: of October to the eighth of November due to potential

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Speaker 1: runway works by the Department of Defense. Now they have said, well,

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Speaker 1: the dates and times of the runway works have not

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Speaker 1: yet been confirmed. We've proactively stopped selling flights during this

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Speaker 1: period to limit the number of customers potentially affected. I

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Speaker 1: think it's safe to say, based on those conversations that

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Speaker 1: a lot of Territorians who are concerned about whether it's

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Speaker 1: just going to be flights to Ballei that are impacted,

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Speaker 4: Broad, which sounds like we need more information there, Katie,

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Speaker 4: for sure. And it's doesn't that raise the very interesting

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Speaker 4: fact about Darwin and the territory that our main airport

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Speaker 4: I think this shows you the complications that comes with that.

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Speaker 4: On the good side of that, I also heard though

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Speaker 5: Flights quicker than you sooner than later, and when it's

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Speaker 5: cheaper to fly to Bali than the rest of the country,

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Speaker 5: I think it's so important to have it certain as

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Speaker 5: because October that's the peak time of year that you'd

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, and that raises a very

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Speaker 1: well is the cost of those air fares. And I

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Speaker 1: think that you know, anecdotally, we've sort of been told

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Speaker 1: can't be rescheduled, and I know that they at different

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Speaker 1: times flight at night. I'm not sure whether some of

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Speaker 1: that work is due to happen at nighttime too. But

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, anyone that's called a flight out of

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Speaker 1: that a lot of those flights, the only things that

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Speaker 3: It's pretty insane.

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Speaker 2: Baby, Yeah, Katie, there was a lot of commentary that

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Speaker 2: was responsible. The part that I'm really confused about. I

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Speaker 2: don't know many territories are with this, and it's not

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Speaker 2: just the overseas flights. Of course, we're very worried about

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Speaker 2: skyrocketing costs of flights. Is that where was the plan

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Speaker 2: for this to happen? I think the Minister for Tourism

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Speaker 2: yesterday said that runways do have to be upgraded every

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Speaker 2: Because we can't afford to have this uncertainty, especially off

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Speaker 2: an out of Darwin libability.

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Speaker 1: Look in the government's defense and it's not very often

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Speaker 1: that I'll jump in to defend them, but.

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Speaker 3: List in their defense. It is defense that are.

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Speaker 1: Doing this, and I know that it can be quite

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Speaker 1: difficult in terms of trying to schedule that, in terms

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Speaker 2: You would think that different layers of government, including the

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Speaker 1: Well, And we did speak to Luke Gosling yesterday who

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Speaker 1: said to us, look, Katie, if there's a situation where

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Speaker 1: prepared to have those discussions with the federal Minister for

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Speaker 1: I don't know where the breakdown in communication is coming here,

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Speaker 1: or it's not happening, and the Minister for Tourism hadn't

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Speaker 3: Now, I would think that.

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Speaker 1: That would be something that was being passed on to

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Speaker 1: because you know, the government will we can criticize, as

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Speaker 1: we understand that they might be rescheduled, but that's going

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Speaker 4: And I think the other thing is that worldwide flights

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Speaker 4: from lots and lots of people trying to book. In fact,

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Speaker 4: So I've now put on that great flight for us. Well,

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Speaker 4: very exciting news. But there's so many you know, there's

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Speaker 4: those opportunities might be being missed because of the changes

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Speaker 4: also do need to have those updates, upgrades to our airport,

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Speaker 4: and I think you're right, Katie, what needs to happen

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Speaker 4: is that we need more information around scheduling. Are all

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Speaker 4: the timing for this one? And I think that's the

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Speaker 4: missing detail for us today and i'd be keen to.

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Speaker 3: Here giving that to the government who's not providing that.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we need to ask that question about what I'm

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Speaker 4: sure that the airport group is talking to the the

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Speaker 4: it's nothing new for this sort of thing to happen

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Speaker 4: around layers. And I guess Defense, you know, Defense will do.

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Speaker 4: That is their airport and it is the Airport Development

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Speaker 4: to make sure that there's some certainty and information. I'm

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Speaker 4: sure after your call to a Minister Madison yesterday, she

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Speaker 4: would be chasing all of that up.

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Speaker 2: Can call me a skeptic, but I am absolutely shocked

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure territories will be too that the Tourism

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Speaker 2: Minister wouldn't have had any of this detail. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this has been it would have been talked about in

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Speaker 2: circles throughout those groups that you talked about, So I

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Speaker 2: just I find it highly unusual that a minister and

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Speaker 2: finds out from radio. I mean it was your show

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Speaker 2: I mean, it just goes to show that this government

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Speaker 1: Well, look, the thing that I think is going to

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't it be awesome to have a lot more daytime

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Speaker 5: But in saying that, flights from say Sydney to Melbourne

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Speaker 1: And the fact is like right now you can travel

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Speaker 4: I do know that Ladie also is a fun fact

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Speaker 2: I want to see whether the government are fighting for

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Speaker 4: Just sit there, Mary Claire, we just sit there and go, oh, look,

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Speaker 4: Of course we're fighting for them. I wrote to now

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Speaker 2: And I wrote to her the other day passing it

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Speaker 3: Now I do here, and just of course.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, look, this is I guess where you

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Speaker 4: Do you know what?

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Speaker 1: I didn't shirt front Alan Joyce, but I certainly you know,

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Speaker 3: We need to you know, we need to be patients happened.

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Speaker 4: Of course we do. But you don't just shirt front.

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Speaker 4: We did it repeatedly while the Quantius executive were here.

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Speaker 5: His comments on crime, though, saying that people don't want

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Speaker 4: But then again, and you know, down I went down

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Speaker 1: So it's contrary though to what to what Daniel Rochford

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Speaker 2: They are always asking you know, what is it really

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Speaker 4: So we absolutely need to work back and make sure

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Speaker 4: There doesn't a month that doesn't go past that I'm

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Speaker 1: There is so much to discuss this morning, and we

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Speaker 3: So, Kate, I know that you'd said during.

441
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Speaker 1: Estimates, as at the thirtieth of March, we had one

442
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Speaker 1: six hundred and forty nine point twenty five full time

443
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Speaker 1: equivalent and the Northern Territory Police. These associations say that

444
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Speaker 1: they subsequently sought a breakdown of the full time equivalent

445
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Speaker 1: from the Department of NT Police Foreign Emergency Services and

446
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 1: that when you compare the figures from twenty thirteen to

447
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,399
Speaker 1: fourteen staffing numbers, which shows that there are eight hundred

448
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 1: and eighty six point four to nine constables. With fresh

449
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 1: data provided by PFES, it shows that constable numbers have

450
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 1: dropped to eight hundred and sixty three point one four.

451
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Speaker 3: Now they say that.

452
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Speaker 1: The concern is that it's like that it is, you know,

453
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Speaker 1: it's a loss of that front line, you know, those

454
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Speaker 1: front line. They say the constables are the backbone of

455
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Force and they perform a fundamental

456
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Speaker 1: role and are at the core of the agency's operations.

457
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Speaker 4: Okay, so just to give some facts around and I

458
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Speaker 4: did bring my cheat sheet today because I want to

459
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Speaker 4: give you some figures.

460
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Speaker 3: We don't usually allow.

461
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Speaker 4: Not they're actually plucking a figure from thirteen fourteen. Obviously

462
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Speaker 4: Labor wasn't in government then, but also the COLP and

463
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Speaker 4: GOUD was in government for two following years. Their figure

464
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 4: of eight six was in thirteen fourteen. In fourteen fifteen

465
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Speaker 4: there was less than that. There was eight sixty, and

466
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 4: in fifteen sixteen before we came to government, there was

467
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Speaker 4: eight hundred and five. So they're picking a figure from

468
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Speaker 4: behind that is not relevant when you're comparing stats to

469
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Speaker 4: when we came to government. So if you're starting figure

470
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 4: with the COLP was eight hundred and five. What they're

471
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Speaker 4: also doing is only picking a figure around constables, whereas

472
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Speaker 4: what that says is nobody else does frontline. So since

473
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Speaker 4: that time, we've also got an additional forty sergeants who

474
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Speaker 4: also do frontline work. But we've also got huge numbers

475
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Speaker 4: of auxiliaries. So the auxiliaries actually are sworn police officers.

476
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Speaker 4: They are also members of the NTPA, so they're members.

477
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Speaker 4: What they're saying is they're not frontline police officers, but

478
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Speaker 4: when you walk into a police station, what you find

479
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 4: is a police auxiliary or a constable at the front line.

480
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 4: So they're doing frontline work, which allows the more constables

481
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Speaker 4: to be out on the beat at the time. But

482
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Speaker 4: instead of looking also at all of those figures. We

483
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Speaker 4: currently have eight hundred and sixty six constables at the moment,

484
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Speaker 4: we also have an extra sixty five in training, so

485
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Speaker 4: very shortly we'll have an additional sixty five and by

486
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Speaker 4: the end of this month we'll have an additional forty

487
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 4: five constables. So if we're just talking about constables, by

488
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Speaker 4: the end of July, sworn constable numbers will be nine

489
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty one. So I hate to be technical

490
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Speaker 4: with data coding, We don't usually get into the weeds here,

491
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Speaker 4: but there's been some misinformation and can I say good

492
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Speaker 4: on the NTPA. We are really working hard on a

493
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Speaker 4: good relationship with them. But this is obviously an advancement

494
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Speaker 4: of us doing a resource looking at the resources in depth.

495
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Speaker 4: And of course they want to say we want more,

496
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Speaker 4: and that's their job to do that, but they're ignoring

497
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Speaker 4: their membership. So if we're talking about frontline officers, you

498
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Speaker 4: have to include those sergeants. You have to include all

499
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Speaker 4: of those police auxiliaries and Aboriginal community police officers who

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Speaker 4: do frontline work.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying that there are more police, and I

502
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Speaker 1: know the line that we hear from the government very

503
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Speaker 1: often is there's more police than ever before two.

504
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Speaker 4: Hundred and thirty additional policements when we came to government

505
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Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen. They are whether there are know a.

506
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Speaker 1: Lot of people will be questioning though, and look, I

507
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: understand the numbers that you're saying, but whether there is enough?

508
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Speaker 1: You know, Georgie, I know that you'd run a story

509
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Speaker 1: I think it was last night when you look at

510
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Speaker 1: some of those crime stats over yeah, correct, I mean

511
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Speaker 1: talk us through some of what you reported last night,

512
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Speaker 1: and then when you look at the impact that that

513
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: has obviously on those frontline offices.

514
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean the stats were from the Australian Burea

515
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Speaker 5: of Cystics. So last year there was an addition that

516
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 5: was around one thousand people that had been victim I

517
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Speaker 5: think just of motor vehicle thefts, which was up around

518
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 5: forty percent from the previous year. And obviously we have

519
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 5: COVID in there a few years ago. Twenty twenty was

520
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 5: when we saw the lowest, but that's still you know,

521
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 5: ten thousand assault victims just last year alone, which is

522
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Speaker 5: crazy and we obviously always say we never land the

523
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Speaker 5: police for doing their job. They're doing everything they can

524
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Speaker 5: with the restources. But even listening to the Coronal Inquest

525
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 5: the other day, eighty percent or over of all of

526
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 5: the call outs for general duties are for domestic violence.

527
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 5: So they're doing as much as they can. So you know,

528
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Speaker 5: how many police do you actually think we need?

529
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Speaker 4: So we're doing now stepping into a point, We're going

530
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Speaker 4: to do a body of work and do a review

531
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Speaker 4: around place resourcing. That's not just about bodies and numbers.

532
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Speaker 4: It's much more complicated than that. We have. We've got

533
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Speaker 4: the electronic rostering project underway, which will show us the

534
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Speaker 4: gaps really clearly.

535
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Speaker 1: Tonay's and Finn about that, and he said that it

536
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Speaker 1: really isn't required, that you don't really need electronic monitoring

537
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: or the electronics.

538
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Speaker 4: Elsewhere. Now, yes, so that wasn't That was a revelation

539
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Speaker 4: quite recently and I've made that made that comment before

540
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Speaker 4: publicly that we were told and advised at one point

541
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Speaker 4: that we had to wait for the electronic rostering which

542
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Speaker 4: will be done by the end of the year to

543
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Speaker 4: show the gaps. And it will show the gaps. But

544
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Speaker 4: what we also know is we can do some data

545
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Speaker 4: mining in some other areas and interrogation of ours the

546
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 4: data and that trike's already start.

547
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Speaker 3: So that review has already started.

548
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Speaker 4: So we're going to get an independent review to do

549
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 4: the financial and the structural review that will well, I'm

550
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 4: calling it a resources review because all of that, whether

551
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 4: it's human bodies or it's funding, they have to match.

552
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Speaker 4: So if you've got x amount you need in it,

553
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Speaker 4: you've got a shortfall and it's say of one hundred officers,

554
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 4: you need the resourcing to go with that. That work

555
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Speaker 4: will be done within the next six months.

556
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Speaker 5: In terms of the police officers though, obviously we've seen

557
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Speaker 5: a lot of experienced officers leave the force, and it's

558
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Speaker 5: great that we're getting new recruits in, but they're junior

559
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 5: officers being sent out to places that need desperate help.

560
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Speaker 5: How do we attract more people in Obviously, you know,

561
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Speaker 5: Michael Murphy is saying that there's a twenty thousand dollar

562
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Speaker 5: moving fee that you can have, so obviously that will

563
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 5: help attract people and showing how many people you have left.

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Speaker 3: The force are actually coming back.

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Speaker 4: So I do know, No, I don't actually have the

566
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Speaker 4: exact figure, but we do know that. You know, we're

567
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Speaker 4: fielding phone calls from people that have gone into state

568
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 4: that want to come. We're working with the NTPA because

569
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Speaker 4: at the moment, if you say you're a sergeant somewhere

570
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: else and you want to come in at level, that's

571
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 4: not the case at the moment, and there's a good

572
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Speaker 4: reason for that, because if you're constable and you want

573
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Speaker 4: to progress in your job and a job becomes available,

574
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 4: you don't once someone's coming in from on the side.

575
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Speaker 4: But we're working through that with the NTPA about coming

576
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Speaker 4: to some sort of a compromise to allow those police,

577
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Speaker 4: senior police to come in. We do have a number

578
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Speaker 4: of people that are seeking to come back to work

579
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Speaker 4: with us, and Michael Murphy is working with those directly.

580
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Speaker 2: Katie, how many times have we heard Atasha Files say

581
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Speaker 2: that we have more police than ever before?

582
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Speaker 4: She said it all the time.

583
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Speaker 2: But do you know who doesn't believe her territories and

584
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: our police don't leave her. You've got all these stats

585
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Speaker 2: going on, but at the end of the day, we

586
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: have record levels of crime, as Georgie reported on nine

587
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Speaker 2: News last night, in every facet, and yet we have

588
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: we don't have more police to deal with that crime,

589
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: and more than when you're in government.

590
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Speaker 1: And I want to go to a point that's made

591
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Speaker 1: with us quite often, and that is about the police

592
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Speaker 1: stations and whether they are or are not opened. Now

593
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Speaker 1: I will read out part of a post that was

594
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Speaker 1: posted by Nigel Brown, the CEO of Larachie Development Corporation,

595
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: earlier in the week. Now he'd said, my eldest daughter intervened.

596
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Speaker 1: I did get his We did get his permission to

597
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Speaker 1: read this out through the week. My eldest daughter intervened

598
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Speaker 1: in a serious assault on three young girls at Casarina

599
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Speaker 1: Bus Exchange by a much larger group of older girls.

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Speaker 1: She drove them to the Casarina Police station for their

601
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Speaker 1: protection and to report the incident. The station's front doors

602
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: were closed. This wasn't midnight, this was yesterday afternoon. Now

603
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Speaker 1: he goes through obviously his experience and the fact that

604
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Speaker 1: he's lived here for a very long time, and you know,

605
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Speaker 1: and he said that he's while he is immensely proud

606
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: of his strong daughter, who has a heart of gold

607
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Speaker 1: and an even stronger sense of justice. I asked the question,

608
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Speaker 1: of all those impositions of power and influence, why was

609
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: the station closed? Why did these three terrified young girls

610
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: have to wait for their parents to come and pick

611
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: them up because there was no one at the Casarina

612
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Speaker 1: Police station to help. Now, that's not the only instance

613
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Speaker 1: where we've been told that. The Nightcliffe Police Station has

614
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: been another one where we've had that raised with this.

615
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Speaker 1: So I guess, Kate, you know, the concern is that

616
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Speaker 1: while we may have more police officers on the ground,

617
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: and while we may have more offices around the Northern Territory,

618
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: people are really questioning that if they are not able

619
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Speaker 1: to actually particularly in that situation, we've got these young

620
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Speaker 1: girls absolutely, who've gone through that pretty terrifying situation. I

621
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Speaker 1: would imagine you front up to the police station and

622
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: you're not able to speak twenty one.

623
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Speaker 4: So that's a conversation that I've had with the Acting Commissioner,

624
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 4: and we're really keen to make sure there's much more

625
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: accessibility of those police stations. We did see a number

626
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 4: of them close their doors during COVID. We need to

627
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 4: make sure that we get back to that and what

628
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 4: we need for that. That will all fall part of

629
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Speaker 4: that review, Katie, and it is important work to do.

630
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Speaker 4: I don't know why that was open, because it actually

631
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: should have been. My understanding is that those front those

632
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 4: you know, those police stations like Casarina and Nightcliffe are

633
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 4: open between eight and four thirty. That's my understanding as

634
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 4: a shop front. They also have an after ours buzza

635
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 4: there which should get them a response. So I saw

636
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 4: that yesterday from Nigel. We'll be making sure that we're

637
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 4: following that up for him on no environments.

638
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: Are out and about well after four thirty in the afternoon, Like,

639
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: why can't someone go and get help from a police station?

640
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that why we spend millions of dollars

641
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: having that sort of frontal.

642
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 4: Criminals are out and about and so are police officers,

643
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 4: so you're just you're just saying they're not there. They

644
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 4: might be actually out on a job, but you can't

645
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 4: just say, oh, criminals are out twenty four to seven,

646
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 4: because well, police are out twenty four to seven.

647
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: Throw away like.

648
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: About in the situation though, like the Nightcliffe police station

649
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: where we do have a lot of people who contact

650
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: us pretty regularly going we've got this massive police station

651
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: there and we're not actually able to you know, to

652
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: access the police.

653
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: There are a lot of police officers actually already working

654
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 4: out there. You Vision is out there, and there's another

655
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 4: crime division out there, so they are actually so the

656
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: school based Constable Coordination Group is out there as well.

657
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Speaker 4: We're looking at other putting other operations out into that

658
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Speaker 4: space at the moment, but its front counter should be

659
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Speaker 4: open between eight and four thirty is my understanding. But

660
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 4: we are working to make sure that they are more

661
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Speaker 4: available and open for longer amounts of time.

662
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Speaker 5: Should there be more officers in these problem areas, obviously

663
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Speaker 5: Nightcliff and CAZ where there is police stations. I did

664
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Speaker 5: a story similar to those girls there was a young

665
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 5: man that tried to intervene someone ended up getting bashed.

666
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Speaker 5: It took an hour for police to arrive and then

667
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Speaker 5: a subsequent three days to actually get a police statement

668
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 5: to the officers. So, you know, all these problem areas,

669
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Speaker 5: people aren't I don't think, really feeling that safe when

670
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Speaker 5: they do go to Casurina if there's all of this violence.

671
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Speaker 4: And I guess there's been a lot of work at Cashurina,

672
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Speaker 4: and I do want to say a huge shout out

673
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Speaker 4: to Polly who's worked with the police there manager. Yep,

674
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Speaker 4: she's the center manager. But there has been an awful

675
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Speaker 4: lot of work in and around Casharina. I know that

676
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: around safety for elders, there's been a lot of work

677
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 4: around that, and we need to continue to work around

678
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 4: those hot spots. We have got an operational antisocial behavior

679
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 4: center that's now stood up, that's now looking at those

680
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 4: hot spots and different ways of responding through group patrollers.

681
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Speaker 4: You know, it doesn't all fall on police. It doesn't.

682
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Speaker 3: And I think that we all understand that.

683
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Speaker 1: We think that the police do an incredible job underwater,

684
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: extremely trying circumstances.

685
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Speaker 3: But that's a bit of a low blow there Maury.

686
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Speaker 4: Claire, you're just smart from the side. I do just

687
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Speaker 4: like I do on getting leadership.

688
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Speaker 1: I do just want to say though, like right now,

689
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Speaker 1: we have got a situation where we know that the

690
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: coronial inquest is underway. I know that that is still happening,

691
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm very cognizant of that. But we

692
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: talk about the high level of domestic violence, we talk

693
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: about the volume of calls. You know, we've got a

694
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Speaker 1: situation where throughout that coronial they did say that there

695
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: are situations where you should be able to all or

696
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: they would want to get somebody out to those jobs

697
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: as quickly as possive, and they're not able to So

698
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: I think the point that I want to go back

699
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: to is that we can say we've got, you know,

700
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Speaker 1: all the police we need, or we've got more than

701
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: we ever have before. But you know, if we're not

702
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: able to get police out to some of those really

703
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: critical incidents, and then if you've got young girls in

704
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: the community of being assaulted and they're not able to

705
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: access a police officer, if you've got a bloke who's

706
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: been bashed, as Georgie had covered earlier this week, they're

707
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: the kinds of things that people are going, Okay, we

708
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: might have more police than ever before, but they do

709
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Speaker 1: a really great job and we want them.

710
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Speaker 4: So the question is, Katie, do we have enough? And

711
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 4: we are looking at that very closely and we will

712
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: make sure that we've got an external look at that.

713
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 4: The other thing is is the peace around well being

714
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 4: for police. So we knew that at one point in

715
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: time when I became the Minister, that there was a

716
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: lot of police officers that are you know, quite rightly

717
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: off on leave for a variety Plus we also had

718
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 4: a backlog of police that were on standing up during

719
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 4: COVID that never got their leave their leave entitlement. So

720
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 4: we had this sort of a lag where police were

721
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: taking are taking their leave from that COVID period. Plus

722
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 4: some of them are sick. There's been an incredible amount

723
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: of work that stood up in that space to make

724
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Speaker 4: sure that not only do we have those numbers, but

725
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: they're able to come to work and feel safe and

726
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: supported at work in their job. So we've done all

727
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: of that work with them. That will take time to

728
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 4: embed itself, but it's really positive. I went to the

729
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 4: launch of the well Being strategy the other day and

730
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: all the families were coming in because it's not just

731
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 4: about the officer, it's about their families making sure that

732
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Speaker 4: they are feeling supported. So all of that will come together.

733
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Speaker 3: Okay, we are going to have to wrap up.

734
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Speaker 1: I just want to ask you very quickly though, as

735
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: in just to go to some ads, but I do

736
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Speaker 1: just want to ask with that review, it's going to

737
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Speaker 1: happen in the next six months, you see, Well, he's

738
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Speaker 1: going to be in six months.

739
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Speaker 3: Will it be made public?

740
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Speaker 4: I can't see the problem with that now, But I'm

741
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 4: reluctant in my experience to say yes. But I can't

742
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 4: see that there's a problem with that at the moment.

743
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 4: It depends what information is in there and how you know,

744
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 4: it might identify different people in it, and all those

745
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: sorts of things. So at this point I would think

746
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: that that's not a problem.

747
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Speaker 1: We're going to take a very short break. You are

748
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty. You

749
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: are listening to the week that was, And if you've

750
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Speaker 1: just joined us, Marie Claire Boothby, Kate Warden and Georgie

751
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: Dickerson joining us in the studio this morning. Now, one

752
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Speaker 1: of the topics that we have been talking about throughout

753
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Speaker 1: this week. If you've been listening over the last few days,

754
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Speaker 1: you'd know that we have spoken about the ABC's report

755
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: about fuel disclosure records showing that backbench MLA Duran Young

756
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: spent more than seven thousand dollars in fuel purchases over

757
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: a four month period from December twenty twenty two. So

758
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: the ABC reported of this, more than two and a

759
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: half thousand dollars was spent on private travel in New

760
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Speaker 1: South Wales and Queensland. The records also show that the

761
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Speaker 1: Northern Territories Attorney General Chancey Paike racked up more than

762
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Speaker 1: seven hundred dollars in fuel costs on a private on

763
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Speaker 1: private travel driving between Adelaide and the Northern Territory between

764
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Speaker 1: Boxing Day and January seven. Now we know that from

765
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Speaker 1: what I from the info I've been given by the

766
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Speaker 1: Speaker's office, it is within the entitlements, which obviously are

767
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Speaker 1: determined by the Renunerration Tribunal in determination published annually. But

768
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Speaker 1: I think what it has shown is that a lot

769
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Speaker 1: of people are sort of going, well, hang on a

770
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Speaker 1: sec does it pass the pub test? Is it just

771
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Speaker 1: because it's an entitlement? Is it the right thing? To

772
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: do to be racking up or to be using your

773
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Speaker 1: taxpayer funded fuel card interstate when you're not on taxpayers work.

774
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Speaker 3: And no, it doesn't pass the pub test.

775
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Speaker 5: I don't think technically obviously they've done the right thing.

776
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 5: They've asked for permission, So technically on that side, I

777
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Speaker 5: don't think they've.

778
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Speaker 3: Done anything wrong.

779
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Speaker 5: But seven grand in a few months, there's quite a

780
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Speaker 5: lot of money on fuel.

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Speaker 4: Can I eat is there's a bit that's sort of

782
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Speaker 4: missing in that, Katie, and that is when you become

783
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Speaker 4: an elected member, you get an option. Yeah, so you

784
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Speaker 4: get an option of a private car or a government vehicle.

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Speaker 4: I've always opted for a private car because at the

786
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Speaker 4: end of that time you can keep your vehicle.

787
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Speaker 3: Because you pay for it, like as you're getting for it.

788
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 4: So but you get that allowance, So you get an

789
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Speaker 4: amount of allowance. So at the end of my tenure,

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Speaker 4: I'll keep my car that I've put that money into,

791
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Speaker 4: and you use it for fuel and registration and all

792
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 4: of the other things. But also you're using it for

793
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Speaker 4: private use because it's your car. So but when you're

794
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Speaker 4: I think when you're a Bush member, if you take

795
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Speaker 4: a private car, you need a very robust vehicle and

796
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: at the end of your tenure it's probably going to

797
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 4: be quite worn out and used. So I know that

798
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Speaker 4: with some Bush members. A lot of US town members

799
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Speaker 4: opt for a private vehicle. I think Marie Claire probably

800
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 4: has a private vehicle because we've both got ours badged up.

801
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 4: But you know they've opted for government vehicles. It's the

802
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 4: same like we get. I've always said this, I'm very clear.

803
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 4: We get twenty five thousand dollars a year for a vehicle,

804
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: and that's what you spend that twenty five and it's

805
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 4: an allowance, so you need to spend that allowance on

806
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 4: that vehicle.

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Speaker 3: Fuel limits on those fuel cards?

808
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Speaker 1: Is that like for the members that the other option

809
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: where they have a government fleet car or a government vehicle,

810
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: is there a limit on how much they can spend

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Speaker 1: on fuel?

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Speaker 5: What?

813
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: I believe that would be the same amount. It's about

814
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 4: twenty five thousand dollars a year that would be on

815
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Speaker 4: a vehicle that is the case. I believe I'd have

816
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 4: to ask for that. I mean, you know, you wouldn't

817
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: travel all year round into state. But I think the

818
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 4: fact is is that they do do long distances in

819
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 4: those vehicles. Seven thousand dollars is higher obviously because he

820
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 4: did a lot of driving in that time. But we

821
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 4: all do a lot of driving in our vehicles, and

822
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 4: nobody queries about how much private use we actually have

823
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: in our own vehicles anyway, But we get the allowance.

824
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 4: So there's two options, and this is something definitely for

825
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 4: the real numeras renumeration Tribunal. It's been the same forever

826
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 4: and a day.

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Speaker 1: Is my underchanged in two thousand and six, I believers

828
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: when it changed to include the fuel card, that's my

829
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: understanding based on what the information that I've been provided

830
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Speaker 1: by the speakers.

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Speaker 3: Of first I thought it was as well for my time. Yeah,

832
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 3: but look, I.

833
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Speaker 1: Mean the thing is, I don't think anybody's got a

834
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: real issue with, you know, with the vehicle allowance or

835
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: with those vehicles being used into state. But I think

836
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: what people are going hang on a say, how far

837
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: do you take this is when you're using a fuel

838
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: card to actually pay for your travel into state holidaying around.

839
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Speaker 2: Yes, and we're not every minutes that you've spoken to

840
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: Katie and on Channel nine News basically defend and back

841
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: these labor members for you have the same entitlement for

842
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: using those fuel cards. And just because it's in the determination,

843
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. I mean,

844
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Speaker 2: we have territorianes who are suffering high cost of living

845
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 2: and you've still all these don't care about stuff. Would

846
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: you use it, Murray Claire, I would not go into

847
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 2: state and travel around on the taxpayers perse.

848
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 4: You will in your own private car. So I'm just

849
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 4: here's a question for you.

850
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: But you'd pay for your own petrol.

851
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 4: So I get twenty five thousand dollars a year for

852
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 4: my vehicle. I don't pay petrol because I have an

853
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 4: electric vehicle. One of my car is electric. So but

854
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 4: I would ask that question, Murray Claire. You've got a

855
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 4: private vehicle which you get government taxpayer money to pay for.

856
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 4: When you go over the border, do you suddenly use

857
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 4: money out of your bank that's separate to your car allowance?

858
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 4: Are you saying that, because if you're saying.

859
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: No, this is very different. Like I think you're blurring

860
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: the two lines.

861
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: Being clear. Maybe I'm not being clear. There's two schemes

862
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 4: that you can opt. You can for twenty five thousand

863
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 4: dollars a year, which is given to you. There is

864
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 4: no checks and balances around spending it. It's an allowance,

865
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 4: but you put it back into your car. That's fuel, right,

866
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: So we could actually Mary Claire could be actually driving

867
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: her car. Hang on a moment, Mary Claire could be

868
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 4: driving her car into state now using money over twenty

869
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 4: five thousand dollars on fuel, which is taxpayer payer money,

870
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 4: and hiding behind that and then saying those that opted

871
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 4: for the other scheme are doing the wrong thing. Doesn't

872
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 4: all of those can't let.

873
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 3: Me do it this way?

874
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: Then, So let's go by Durand's fuel records for a

875
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: four month period. So you're talking here about seven thousand

876
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: dollars over a few month over that twelve month period,

877
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: if he continues traveling at that's right, that's twenty one

878
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: thousand dollars twenty one grand plus a car that you're

879
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: driving around for free on the taxpayer's dime. So that's

880
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: where I think it's time.

881
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 4: You did some holiday travel. You wouldn't do that twelve

882
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 4: months of the year.

883
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 5: That was a lot of holiday travel all around New

884
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 5: South Wales, around traveling.

885
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: Box spend of taxpayers money.

886
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 6: So would you take your car across the border Murray Claire, Well,

887
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 6: I would not use taxpayer money for my interstate true,

888
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 6: so you wouldn't use that I spent fuel personally your

889
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 6: allowance money.

890
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: So essentially, like again, I'll go back to that fuel,

891
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: the amount that you're using on fuel and using the

892
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: fuel card interstate. Nobody is disputing the vehicle being used

893
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: into state. People are going, hang on a second, should

894
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: you be paying for your petrol on the taxpayer's dime?

895
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 4: Essentially, if you're taking out of your allowance to do

896
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 4: the same thing, it's the same thing, Katie. So Mary

897
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: Clay's nothing here about I would actually ask for those

898
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 4: of us there own private vehicles, how many of us

899
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 4: have taken them over the line and used our car allowance.

900
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 4: It's the same thing. This is a matter for the

901
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 4: tribunal to determine, and I would think given the publicity lately,

902
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 4: maybe they're going to look at that. They're going to

903
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 4: have to I think it's an absolutely privilege to get

904
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 4: the allowance to have a vehicle to be able to

905
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 4: do and deliver on my job properly. So this is

906
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 4: a question for that tribunal. They sit every single year

907
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 4: and review our allowances and the rigor around that. And

908
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 4: I think if these are valid questions then.

909
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: They will look at it.

910
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: I think those are it doesn't mean sure, Look we

911
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: are going to have to take it. We're going to

912
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: have to take a very short break. You are listening

913
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: to Mix one O four nines three sixty. It is

914
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: the week that was. You are listening to Mix one

915
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: O four nines three sixty. It is the week that

916
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: was in the studio with us this morning Murray clear

917
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: Booth by Kate Warden and Georgia Dickinson. And well, let's

918
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: talk about these parking fees very quickly. In the CBD

919
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: City of Darwin have announced it Saturday on stream. Parking

920
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: fees are going to be reintroduced in Zone A only

921
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: in Darwin, CBD, effective from the first of August.

922
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: Might ask if I can borrow someone's field card to

923
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 3: pay my own.

924
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 4: Katie, you're disgrace.

925
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: Just telling that market is coming.

926
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: Now, what do you think of these of these parking fees?

927
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know, my god, i't mind it's only

928
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: two dollars and for me, I don't want people parking

929
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: there all day. But I can understand why it's going

930
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: to have an impact for some people.

931
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 4: I think the reason that it got taken away, Katie

932
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 4: was because people wanted people to be able to park

933
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 4: in the city quite close to shops, so it's a

934
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 4: bit of a balancing act. I wouldn't want to be

935
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 4: on the council right now making that decision, but I

936
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 4: enjoyed free parking. I thought it was a good incentive

937
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 4: for people to shop in the city, particularly when you've

938
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 4: got air conditioning centers that they're up against. So I

939
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 4: probably wouldn't have voted for it, but that's no longer

940
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 4: on council.

941
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: I think it's it is a real concern because we

942
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 2: do have our city retail who you know, they haven't

943
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: had a great time recently with a lot of antisocial

944
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: behavior that's been going on, plus you know, just a

945
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: low trade anyway, and I think that having an extra

946
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: disincentive to charge people to park in front of their stores,

947
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: like I know that they would not be happy about this,

948
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: and I really hope that council listened to the retailers

949
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: about that.

950
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 5: On the devils advocates side, I could have encouraged more

951
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 5: people through the CBD. If people have to move after

952
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 5: two hours, if they don't want to keep paying, then

953
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 5: therefore we've got another car coming through shopping.

954
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: It could on that flip side be something moving.

955
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 5: Look, I'd rather not pay for parking, but if it's

956
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 5: two bucks.

957
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: Well you could be like me and start the app

958
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: and then forget to turn it off.

959
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: That's me every time you go and remember and you

960
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: just keep buying. Well, we are going to have to

961
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: wrap up. Thank you all so very much for your

962
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: time this morning.

963
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 4: Very clear.

964
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: He can I just give a shout out to the

965
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: Parmesan Boxing class who are really striving to get new

966
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: committee members on board. They're looking to do some more

967
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: youth activities and parmesans, so if anyone wants to join,

968
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: please get in touch.

969
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: Kate Warden, thank you, Thank you Katie.

970
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 4: And if I can give it a last minute plug

971
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 4: as I did this morning with the mixed crew, it's

972
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 4: not too late to sign up for the Grand Fondo

973
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 4: one Sunday. It's a nice early ride. You can do

974
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 4: the family run, you could do the twenty two k's

975
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 4: if you're like me, you can do the fifty two

976
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 4: k's struggle through but the polypedal luck yeah, absolutely, you'll

977
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: be fine. We'll be done and dusted within maybeast five hours.

978
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 3: Fantastic fantastic.

979
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, but people can still hop on today and sign up.

980
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 4: Just have that first crack, get on your bike.

981
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 3: Good stuff, Georgie, thank you, first time in wonderful to have.

982
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: It with you.

983
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 3: My shot UT's territory day.

984
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 5: Go buy some crackers and set the friend Saturday and

985
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 5: a safe way.

986
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 3: Thank you all so much for your time this morning.

987
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: You are listening to Mix one O four nine and

988
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: that was the week that was