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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me.

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Speaker 2: Lola Berry, author, nutritionist, and yoga teacher, join me as

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Speaker 2: we get to know these guests and learn about how

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Speaker 2: their failures have ultimately shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly

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Speaker 2: Failing with Lola Berry. Hello, it's Lols here. I cannot

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Speaker 2: believe this is the last official guest of season five.

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Speaker 2: We'll have a season wrap up next week with the

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Speaker 2: Bosso and I like we usually do, but this is

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Speaker 2: our last guest of season five. It is Natural Harry,

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Speaker 2: who was in fact season five episode one guest. So

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Speaker 2: we've got her back again because it's got some really

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Speaker 2: exciting news. She's got a book coming out called Home.

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Speaker 2: You can pre order it right now. We talk heaps

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Speaker 2: about the book. We talk about minimalistic living. We talk

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Speaker 2: about our dreams of living in tiny homes and a

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Speaker 2: frame homes and buses and treehouses.

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Speaker 1: The works.

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Speaker 2: Another really cool thing about Natural Harry is that she

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Speaker 2: is an ambassador Polish Man, just like.

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Speaker 1: Travis was last week and I am so.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to put some links in the show notes

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Speaker 2: just so if you want to get involved in support

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Speaker 2: or Pain a Nail. It's all about ending violence against children,

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Speaker 2: rip a cause, ripper people and.

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Speaker 1: Really easy to get involved with. And then finally from talks,

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Speaker 1: just sending you some love.

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Speaker 2: It's a bit springing and summari sh almost Now we're

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Speaker 2: about to go and go for a dip in the ocean.

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Speaker 2: Big love, Stay well, stay happy.

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Speaker 1: Hello Natural, Harry, Mark.

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Speaker 3: Too, Hello, Lola.

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Speaker 2: I am so wrapped to be doing this pod number

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Speaker 2: two with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't believe it.

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Speaker 1: This time we're doing it in your place, in your home.

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Speaker 3: I know, on my home turf.

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Speaker 2: Oh mate, And we've got Boss in the next room

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Speaker 2: with Fred.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're all spoiled.

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Speaker 2: The reason why we're having this second podcast is because

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Speaker 2: the first one, which was episode one of season five,

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Speaker 2: went bananas to the point that I was like, maybe

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Speaker 2: we should do another one, and people were like, yes,

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Speaker 2: we want more, Harry.

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Speaker 1: So that's why we're here.

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Speaker 3: How good's that?

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Speaker 2: Also, you and I have had a few hangouts since

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Speaker 2: the first pod, and we always.

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Speaker 1: Go, oh, we should have spoken about that on the pod.

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Speaker 2: But first, I want to talk about something that's on

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Speaker 2: the table here, and I'm looking at this beautiful, brand

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Speaker 2: new book of yours called Home, which is officially out

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Speaker 2: the twenty ninth of October.

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Speaker 1: So very but you can pre.

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Speaker 3: Order now right, you can pre order as of Yeah,

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Speaker 3: last night, this has been a crazy twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: You're so calm for Yeah, we've just had a large

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Speaker 2: We've just snacked on your wedding cake.

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Speaker 1: Very nice. By the way, what was an espresso.

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Speaker 3: Salted caramel espresso cheesecake from Whole.

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Speaker 2: Well As actually and holds one of Harry's books. The

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Speaker 2: reason why we're snacking on it as I've been having

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Speaker 2: a sneaky pre kind of like Exquisite Home, the new book,

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Speaker 1: The back and I was like, what is that cake?

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Speaker 1: And You're like, do you want some? That's why we

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Speaker 3: You're like the second person to see it. I think, really, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Mat, It's what I love about it is that it's

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Speaker 2: like a lifestyle, like it incorporates more than just food.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about home self care rituals, down to soaps.

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Speaker 1: And hair washes.

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Speaker 2: And I saw a coffee like body of bar, kind.

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Speaker 3: Of spun thing fallanding bar. Yeah. It's all like really,

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Speaker 2: And I feel like with this book as well, it

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Speaker 2: feels this is just me who's I've consumed all of

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Speaker 3: They are kind of like a time stamp.

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Speaker 1: Totally where you are cap time capsules.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And this one in particular, which is the reason

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and I feel like your whole I don't

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Speaker 2: feels like you're making this kind of like sustainable, like

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I just want to like take you, put you in

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Speaker 2: I'm lucky enough to have been here before, and I

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm taking photos inspo. Do you remember the first

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Speaker 2: La I want this kind of and you're like, it's

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Speaker 1: I don't even touch the food. I just eat it.

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Speaker 2: At home, oh, it looks like a dog's breakfast in

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Speaker 2: seeing next to Boss googling converting it to kilos I

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I to lose thirty pounds in four days.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my god, isn't that like fifteen kilocks?

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Speaker 1: But no, it was. I don't know the difference.

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Speaker 2: But I guess what I'm getting at with your books

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Speaker 1: Using the word at home and house.

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Speaker 2: But you were like, it feels really vulnerable when you

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Speaker 3: Ye reassuring is that?

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00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 2: And she tried, but she's still frozery. She'd ivf everything

441
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 2: she got. She goes Lola. Nothing worked until I turned

442
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 2: forty and went on a holiday to Bali and I

443
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: just relaxed.

444
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually found pre story in different iterations so

445
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 3: many times agreed. And I guess the other thing is

446
00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 3: the other sort of advice or you know, just little

447
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 3: bits of like chats that I've had to people I

448
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 3: have the common thread through that has been like you

449
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 3: can't plan it, you know, like any friends that have

450
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: tried to really make it fit into their life for

451
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: what the schedule they had, like the schedule that they

452
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 3: had in their head to work out, like, oh, I

453
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 3: want two more years in this job, so then you know,

454
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 3: I've got maternity leave, and so I want it to

455
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 3: be then. And it doesn't actually always happen that way.

456
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 3: And I don't think the stress helps anything. If anything,

457
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 3: it might make it hard when you want to totally

458
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: so yeah, totally interesting one, isn't it. And it's something

459
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 3: I never pictured when I was in my early twenties.

460
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 3: I never thought, no, yeah, I'd be.

461
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 1: Almost feish and immortal in your early twenties.

462
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

463
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: And that's another thing, especially with being in lockdown with Corona.

464
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: I said to my therapist, I feel like I've had

465
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: to face mortality a lot more than someone usually in their.

466
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 3: Thirty think a lot of people have, Yeah.

467
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 2: Because especially those I remember those images of New York

468
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: and the freeze trucks of people that have passed away

469
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: from COVID and yeah, these bodies just stacked in freezer trucks.

470
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 2: And I was like how valuable as human life in America.

471
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: I remember thinking and feeling that and and I just

472
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: I don't know.

473
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: I just think with especially.

474
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: You and I when we do our beach walks and whatnot,

475
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 2: I just think we're very much about like intuitively marching

476
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: to the beat of our own drum.

477
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 1: Not selfishly, but intuitively.

478
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, there's a big difference. I think it can. Yeah,

479
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: I think there's a really big difference. But just going

480
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: with the flow and just yeah in a way because

481
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 3: obviously there's still work in all of that, and there's

482
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: still like, you know, you make big choices along the

483
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 3: way and everything, but just intuition playing a big role

484
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 3: in the career moves you make and the personal moves

485
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 3: you make as well. Yeah, and i'd be having taking

486
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: control of that, if that makes sense.

487
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: Totally.

488
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

489
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 2: And I definitely as opposed to kind of being like

490
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: it's so easy in your thirties, I think to live

491
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: in a space of fear. Oh my god, am I

492
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: going to get the career where I need it to

493
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: be before I have bambinos?

494
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 1: Am I gonna like.

495
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: The feeling of an expiring date?

496
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: Totally?

497
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 3: I guess, Yeah, there's a feeling of as a woman

498
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: definitely having an expiry date in more ways than one,

499
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: In more ways than just having a baby and becoming

500
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: a mother, also just in your physical appearance, Like the

501
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: expectation of looking young and staying young is much higher

502
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: these days in generalizing.

503
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 2: Totally, but even in the forties and fifties, Tennessee Williams,

504
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: which is one of the great playwrights, would always write

505
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: about fading beauty and that being something that women had

506
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: to Like one of the most famous characters he wrote

507
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: in Streetcar called Blanche Dubois.

508
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: She'd never let lights beyond her.

509
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: She always have lampsh eis over them because she was

510
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: in her mid thirties and she didn't want anyone to.

511
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: See that she was starting to aide.

512
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: And we've chatted about that with like, yeah, acting and

513
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: things that there is, Yeah, but I really feel like

514
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: there's roles, especially now, and a different whole dynamic in

515
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 3: the way that just from sort of I guess consuming

516
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: Netflix and movies and things during COVID, there are there's

517
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 3: a lot more diversity in roles maybe, and we've got

518
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 3: better at like, yeah, some leading roles have been older

519
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 3: people or yeah, just toldal In age, And.

520
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: I was saying to a friend just yesterday, I really

521
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: hope that our generation, you and I, we are the

522
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: generation that kind of like pisces off, like when I

523
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: say peace off, let's go of those agism constraints. And

524
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: you know, like because if you even go back fifty years,

525
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: a woman's role was pretty specific.

526
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, house kids.

527
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: You know your life might not be as long as

528
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 2: what the lifespan is now. You know, you were just

529
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: expected to kind of like carry and bear children.

530
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: And I think like.

531
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: We're in a time where, you know, yeah, there's more

532
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 2: gender fluidity, there's so much other stuff going on. I

533
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: think that it's a time where you should be free

534
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: to be whoever the f you want to be.

535
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, And it's moving in that direction.

536
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: I think it feels like it doesn't it.

537
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. And there's more people I guess this is

538
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 3: not my choice, but there's more people choosing not to

539
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: have children and being okay with that, which I think

540
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been acceptable fifty years ago, Like everyone would

541
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: have thought you were crazy.

542
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: I have noticed a few friends.

543
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: I've got a few friends that are i don't know,

544
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: like twenty years older than me. And dull often that

545
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 2: if they don't have kids, they'll often be like, oh

546
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 2: my god, freeze eggs now, freeze REGs now. And I'm like,

547
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: I get that, that's your experience, and I love and

548
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: respect you for caring and it about me, But I

549
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: find that really triggering too.

550
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: I just think, like, I'm.

551
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: So sure if someone pushed it, it's hard not to.

552
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: You sort of have to be protect yourself a bit,

553
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: don't you when you're in conversations things, because people will

554
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: put their own experience onto you, you know, like live care,

555
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: not live vicariously through you, but like a stage mum,

556
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: because they it's a caring thing. Yeah, like wanting to

557
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 3: protect you. Perhaps they hasn't happened for them and they

558
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: wanted it to. So that's them like putting that potential

559
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: mechanism on, but you take it on. And I've had

560
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: the same thing, and I like, I've had a doctor

561
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: say to me, you know, we should start talking about

562
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 3: fertility now or something when I just went for something

563
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 3: else and I was like, oh gosh, like you know,

564
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: it just sort of does jolt you a bit. But

565
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 3: then you went to see my acupuncturists and she was like,

566
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: you know there's a biological age as well, Like there's

567
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 3: the you know you're fairly healthy, you're really healthy, and

568
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: you know, look after yourself and things, and that's the difference.

569
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 3: You know, everyone has a different biological age. So she

570
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: was like, just chill out.

571
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the best advice as well. And I think.

572
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: Like a good friend of mine, who Peppy, who I've

573
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: had on the podcast, she man, she went through so

574
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: many rounds of IVF, I think like eight rounds failed attempts,

575
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 2: and that was her and her husband's embryos. You know,

576
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: like she went down that path, had a surrogate, lost

577
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 2: bambinos at like seven months or something like that, and

578
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: then eventually had these two bambinos via surrogate. And I

579
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: just think, where there's a will, there's a way exactly,

580
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean?

581
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: As well?

582
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 2: Like if you really if your dumba in life is

583
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: I want to be a mama bear, there's gonna be

584
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: a way, Like even like we could adopt a kid

585
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 2: one day, do you know like this there's certain way

586
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: you don't I just don't think it needs to be

587
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: black and white and.

588
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 3: Like you need in a box.

589
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, defintely and as creatives and as people that kind

590
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: of chase their own dream and kind of set the

591
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: path themselves. I think that means that you have to

592
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: with your entire life. It's not just like, well, my

593
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: career I'm going to be in charge of. You kind

594
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: of have to take.

595
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: Being multi passionate. And I also think that like, yes,

596
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 3: I could, you know, for the people who ask me

597
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: I haven't had kids and things yet, I'm like, yeah,

598
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: I could have had kids. I could have had kids

599
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 3: early twenties or mid twenties, but none of the books

600
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: would exist. Like, there's no way I could do I

601
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: work like like you. I mean, it's not always intense

602
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: in the moment, but probably, like you know, fourteen hour

603
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: days most of the time. I'm not saying I.

604
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: Don't want over the week work all the time.

605
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: Over the weekend. There's no way that like what I

606
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: have produced would be out there if I had kids

607
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: at the moment, I'd have to change the whole structure

608
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: of it. It would be very different and hopefully still going.

609
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: But it's not. It wouldn't be possible. So I'm like,

610
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: also the choice I'm.

611
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: Making, Yeah, all those other things that have led you

612
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: to this point would it probably not have happened.

613
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and lots of the things that you do because

614
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: it does. I really value having nannied multiple times. Like

615
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: I've had two different nunning jobs, both of long long

616
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: standing nanning positions. I've got a niece and a nephew

617
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: and friends with kids, and I'm really close with my

618
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: sister that has two kids, and I really appreciate the

619
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: time and how intense and how massive the job of

620
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: being a mum is, and so I really can that.

621
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it's given me a fear to then

622
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: do it, but it's made me appreciate that the freedom

623
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: I have now to create everything in natural Harry wouldn't

624
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: be possible with kids in toe. So I get confused

625
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: sometimes because I'm like, hang on, you want me to

626
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 3: have kids and you also want.

627
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: All this.

628
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: You can just do everything. Yeah, like they don't have

629
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: eight limbs sometimes, but yeah, like it's it's an interesting one,

630
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: isn't it.

631
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

632
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: I appreciate you sharing that because I just wanted to

633
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: give another look through another lens.

634
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

635
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: We haven't spoken about definitely not on this podcast yet,

636
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: So I really appreciate you sharing that.

637
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: I know because of our beach walks.

638
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: We've had these discussions before, and I keep going, oh

639
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: my god, we.

640
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: Needed to talk about that on the pod.

641
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: It's like, it's so nice to talk to someone. It's

642
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 3: actually so reassuring to talk to someone the same age

643
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: in a kind of similar life position that is just

644
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: you know, sort of toying up questioning this, discussing it

645
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: and things. It's so nice because you don't really talk

646
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: to your friends with kids about it, and you don't

647
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: really like it's a the specific people you can kind

648
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: of talk about it with totally.

649
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: And I think this discussion hopefully will normalize it a

650
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: little bit.

651
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: For anyone in the same boat. And you know, one thing,

652
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: so why not?

653
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: Because I did a little Instagram live and someone asked

654
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 2: me about it and I kind of in a nutshell

655
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: kind of said what we're talking about? And somebody, this wonderful,

656
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: wonderful lady wrote to me after and she screened grabbed

657
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: this book about female fertility, and she said, please stop

658
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: worrying about your age. She's like, the second highest rate

659
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: of abortions are women in their early forties. Wow, because

660
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: they're still very, very fertile, but they've already got three kids.

661
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: Or they don't want another kid.

662
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: Interesting, and she's like, people just don't focus on that

663
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: when they're telling you the narrative. She's like, you're a

664
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: very healthy person. There's a high chance you're going to

665
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: be first.

666
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it.

667
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: Really kind of made me go, oh, And I do

668
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: love that you mentioned acupuncture because I think fertility and

669
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: acupuncture that's always been Yeah, that's always helped me with

670
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: my own hormonal balancing any way and period pain stuff

671
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: like that. So I think that if you've kind of

672
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 2: got this for lack of a better word, but almost tribe, like,

673
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: you know, Okay, I've got my acupuncturress, I've got my

674
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: natural you know, and.

675
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: You've got your team.

676
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, this like you'll.

677
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: Find that the body is going to find homeostasis always

678
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: than one like energetically as well. And that's kind of

679
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: I think that almost magical LICKXA for life.

680
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: Definitely. I think it's always healthy to work towards fertility anyway,

681
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: because if you're looking after your hormones and things, you know,

682
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: and working towards being fertile, that is health. So I like,

683
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: I have a natural path that I see and an

684
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: actual punctures that's my main two things that I do.

685
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: And you know, the business name of the acupuncture is

686
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: Natural Fertility. Geelong sent me, yes, So it's like in

687
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: the name. So often if I have a tag them

688
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: only thing, people assume I'm trying to have a baby.

689
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: But it's just it's still healthy to be looking after

690
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: your hormones always, no matter if you're wanting to have

691
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: baby now or not. Even if you've had babies and

692
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: you're you know, going forward, it's it's a good thing.

693
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: But even fertility is literally aka hormonal balance.

694
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: Definitely.

695
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: It's not like, oh, we're going to pump up your

696
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: at least this month. It's not like it's literally like

697
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: just looking after and hormones is skin.

698
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: It's the way you're like all.

699
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: The bodily functions. It's like the functions of your body

700
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: big time, and stress like cortisols, things is all linked

701
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: to hormone balance and things.

702
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: So until as well, it's just it's huge, Yeah, definitely, Yeah, Amaze.

703
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: This next one might be a bit of a curve

704
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: ball because I didn't write this in our.

705
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: Little deepreas question.

706
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: Have you noticed over the last three or so weeks

707
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: I have got a little heavy handed in tagging you

708
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: in tiny home photos.

709
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah no, no, like tree houses. Yeah yeah yeah.

710
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: It's a very real dream of mine to live either

711
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: in one of those a frame cabins, yes, in a forest,

712
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, I just think they live one high up.

713
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: They usually go with like mountain, very mountain, Yeah, very piney,

714
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 3: like a bit piney. You do that when you welcome

715
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 3: people to your house, when you have it, you'd be like,

716
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: this is piney house.

717
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: I think we've got the name of it right there.

718
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like a tree house. Or to me, it's

719
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: just that earthy way nature nature like nature.

720
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like you were already into that.

721
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: Like even the like the aesthetic of your place is

722
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: very natury. There's plants, there's like earthy tones, stuff like that,

723
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: and it feels it feels like a big tiny home.

724
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: Am I saying that right?

725
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 3: It is a big tiny home? Like this isn't what

726
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: a technical term for a time, the technical term for

727
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 3: a tiny home is or definition sorry, is those ones

728
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: that fit on a trailer you can toe. So like,

729
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: technically this is way bigger than a tiny home. It's

730
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 3: forty square meters. If anyone's good with their special.

731
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: Awareness, I'm not at all.

732
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: But it sounds huge or small to petty of what

733
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: you think, but it's it's not technically a tiny home.

734
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and is it true phraser your husbo Yeah, LIKELM

735
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: my husband.

736
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, him, husband, husband. He got me WiFi the other

737
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: day and I was like, hab, no, that doesn't something else. Yeah,

738
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: it's cute.

739
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: And he kind of like help had a hand in

740
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: making it functional.

741
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 3: And yes, definitely. So he's a carpenter and he's a

742
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: sustendable building designer and this is definitely like you know,

743
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: this was sort of happened organically, and it's very much

744
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: found materials, recycled materials, discarded materials and things, so it

745
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: probably does help to give it that earthy feel. And

746
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: a lot of it was also like what because we're

747
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: on a type budget, that's why the walls aren't painted

748
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: inside that are really.

749
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: Witty looking like that.

750
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: But if ever, I get asked about the raw play

751
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah, so it is. It is earthy, I think,

752
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: but it's kind of a reflection. I think that's one

753
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: of the beauties of creating your own house. If it's

754
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 3: if you can and this is just a very tiny

755
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: version of a house. Is that it is a reflection

756
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: of your personality and so you feel so at home totally. Yeah.

757
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: And it's very much phrases aesthetic, which is very who's

758
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: my husband, which is very earthy and natural and has

759
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: touches of me and the materials and things too. Yeah,

760
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: I love it.

761
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: And was the whole book pretty much shot here? Other

762
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: than whole.

763
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: Book, not whole, but home Home was shot here, yes, No,

764
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: other than the photos of me swimming and at the beach,

765
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 3: they're all local. But every book was shot here. We Yeah,

766
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 3: that room that's just behind where Lola's sitting is where

767
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 3: we shot every single recipe in every book. One one

768
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 3: day we did thirty recipes.

769
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's unheard of.

770
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: So thirty six thirty six no, yeah, so just to clarify,

771
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: like for my books.

772
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: We would maybe get six to ten. Ten was a

773
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: big day.

774
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, big Look, I didn't know that was normal. So

775
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 3: when we so I decided to write the first book,

776
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: bumped into nick one day, I think I might have

777
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: I might have told you around the last Yeah, bumped

778
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 3: into Nicole Ramsey one day, so she might be interested

779
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: in doing it. We kind of chatted and then I

780
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: just got organized and I was just like like I

781
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: didn't think to us what would be normal to do.

782
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 3: I don't know what's normal.

783
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: We needed to be friends back.

784
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: I needed you because I was like, okay, thirty six recipes, yep,

785
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 3: got those ready, and like literally ever I made everything.

786
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: So I just was like frantic in the kids, like frantic,

787
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: but a lot of planning ahead, like all spiced chickpeas.

788
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: I could probably make that the day before and then

789
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 3: they'll be okay and they'll still look fine, Like yeah,

790
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: all of those kind of things. There was lots of organizing,

791
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: lots of lists and things. But because there were recipes

792
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: I've made, like so many times over, it's kind of

793
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 3: second nature. It did help in that way to be

794
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 3: But this is a small house too, and that room

795
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: is tiny as a studio. Yeah, it so.

796
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: Was that for Hole?

797
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: Did you say that was for Natural Harry, And the

798
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: same for Hole, but Hole had more recipes And then

799
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: we shot a lot of those on locations too, like

800
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 3: we had a surf picnic, we did camping, and like

801
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 3: it was.

802
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: Again jealous, I wasn't your friend then I would like

803
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: wedding cake. But how long would a shoot take usually or.

804
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: Like over twelve hours for those days.

805
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: But like say you do one day of thirty six

806
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: recipes or something like, is that all the recipes like

807
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: for me a book.

808
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,479
Speaker 3: A total or so we probably did ten days for whole, Yeah,

809
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: excuse me, ten days for Home, but that's over like months.

810
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: Like Home was probably four or five months of shooting.

811
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 3: And that's like because because we wanted to be so

812
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: authentic and like, there are studio shots in there, but

813
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 3: there are they're in situ in the time of year

814
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: and the time that suits it as well, do you

815
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 3: know what I mean? So like we might fit in

816
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: sometimes it's where the dependent you know, different things like swimming,

817
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 3: surfing of course, that kind of thing. And then with Whole,

818
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: it was probably over two months gotch which yeah, was like.

819
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: That's the beauty of you creating your own images.

820
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: Benefit don't get that.

821
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, the publishers were like, no, we'll shoot it.

822
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: You would that just because they've got time constraints and

823
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: money constraints. Usually they're like, well, this is what we're

824
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: blocking out. Yeah, you've got to get everything in this

825
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: time or it's sign on.

826
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: And that's the beauty of it of us doing it

827
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 3: here because it's me organizing that, and Nicole lives locally

828
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: and we could kind of arrange those things, but we

829
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: did spread them out, but you couldn't do that. You're

830
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: right with a with a publisher that has organized the shots.

831
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 3: And I'm lucky that Hardy Grant were really happy to

832
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 3: let me have Nicole have free reign with Home, because, yeah,

833
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: with the images and things.

834
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: How did you come up with the front cover of Home?

835
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 3: Oh? That was we were shooting something else that day. Well, like,

836
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: let's just do some test shots for the cover because

837
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 3: we really didn't know what we wanted, and it was

838
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: like how to fit in the whole concept of the

839
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: book but not be two staged. Yea, yeah, so it

840
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 3: was very much natural. It was like in the morning

841
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 3: after a swim. We'd literally been to the beach for

842
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: a swim and the sun was out and we were like, oh,

843
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: the shampoo recipe might be cool. Okay, well I'll just

844
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: jump in the shower.

845
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: So good.

846
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so outdoor shower right yeah. Yeah, So it's

847
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: and I was freezing. This is not hooked out, but

848
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: that's okay because it was a warm day. But it

849
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 3: is very much it was just a little bit fly

850
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 3: by the seat of our pants for that particular one,

851
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: because we do plan a lot of them, because you

852
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: do have to. There's a lot of moving parts. Like

853
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 3: people will like they look natural, and a lot of

854
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 3: them they are natural, but a lot of the time

855
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 3: you do have to organize a few things have to match.

856
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: Up, which you know, yeah, but like you're doing it all,

857
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm just there for the food and fun.

858
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: Like they'll be like, well, put your hand in there,

859
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: sprinkle some lavender. I'm like, oh, worries And now like

860
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: the phtographer of the day before be like, can you

861
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: make sure you got that color our polish or can

862
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: you make sure you're no ow polish?

863
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: Like oh yeah, because we'd get to the we'd like

864
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: I'd be pouring something and Nick could be like, oh,

865
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 3: Harry and nail because I've been gardening the day before that,

866
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: quick do something with that?

867
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: So good.

868
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: Well, I kind of digressed because I kind of wanted

869
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 2: to talk a bit more about tiny homes only because

870
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,479
Speaker 2: do you see yourself, like I know you've got you've

871
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: traveled so much in your past, and do you see

872
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 2: yourself always kind of living in this kind of a setup.

873
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 3: I think something similar, but I think what it's taught

874
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 3: me was, we came here. I've talked to you about

875
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: this before, but I don't think we've talked about it

876
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: on here. We came here out of necessity, Like we

877
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: had were running the caravan and we just we had

878
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: to stop paying rent on the house we were living in,

879
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: so like we just moved to this like tiny, little

880
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: rundown place and started doing it up ourselves, and it

881
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: was out of necessity. I wouldn't I don't know if

882
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 3: I would have chosen a small, really tiny space. But

883
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: what it's taught me is that you don't need much.

884
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: So I can definitely see myself living in the future

885
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: in a not not a massive house. But I can't

886
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: see fitting a kid in here. Like. I think that's

887
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: one thing that I think people really don't. I know,

888
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: people live in buses and tiny houses and many things.

889
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah.

890
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: In the tiny home, they had a tiny home that

891
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: they sold and then they got a school bus.

892
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: Oh they're so cool. They're very cold.

893
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: People call them schoolies. If anyone wants to look like

894
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 3: it's like sk l I think I love that, you

895
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: know this Instagram. They're so cool. That would be a

896
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: dream but it's not that easy in Australia. I'd love

897
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: to do that. I'd love to live out of something mobile,

898
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: but it's not as easy in Australia to kind of

899
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 3: just pull up anywhere nice, and we do end up

900
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: going to more like national parks, a bit more remote,

901
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 3: bit more camping style, not as much caravan parks. So

902
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: probably couldn't see myself doing that, just because you do

903
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: end up in caravan parks all sides of roads and

904
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 3: things like that. But in America it's much more free.

905
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: So when you're there, Oh, do.

906
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: You like airstreams as well?

907
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're cool.

908
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: They've got fifties kind of silver ball vibe.

909
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 3: They're American. Then we've got pizza those over there.

910
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: I've stayed. Hum, there's one you can stay at in Victoria.

911
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: It's called Piggy Sou that's the name of it. It's

912
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: got little fairy lights above the bed.

913
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: A very romantic too.

914
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I could. I could definitely see myself living

915
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: in the same kind of scenario, but probably not like

916
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: for future future quite as tiny. You'd need another room. Maybe.

917
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm just as you're explaining this in your spaces saying like, yeah,

918
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: I can live with not much. I'm like, I've literally

919
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 2: just bought a box of Harry and I get in

920
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: all this stuff and it's like yoga clothes and like

921
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: dresses excited. So I've probably given you too much off

922
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: and you're gonna be like bloody Lola.

923
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 3: Why I'm never going to refuse a pressy. I can't

924
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: wait to dig into it.

925
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: I want to finish by talking about purpose, which we

926
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: kind of I think we naturally talked about last time,

927
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: just because you're talking about your purpose that's just in

928
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: your being, that's who you are.

929
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: But I think you know the Yogi word dama and

930
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: living your truth, and.

931
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 2: I think I can feel so clearly what the purpose

932
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: of this book is, Like I can feel it, I

933
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: can see it, I can it Like I said, it

934
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: fits you completely to take it a level out of

935
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: the book, what would you say you're like in acting school,

936
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: we call it super objective, Like if you're an actor,

937
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: a character in a play, what's super objective? And so, yeah,

938
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: what is like your purpose or dama? What would you

939
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: say that it is right now in your life?

940
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: I would say it is making things that perhaps are

941
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: a little can be seen as a little bit like Monday,

942
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 3: or boring a bit cooler and accessible, like things like

943
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: you know, living a little bit more minimally. I'm not

944
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: saying being a minimalist, but like you know, treading a

945
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: bit lighter on the earth and that kind of thing accessible, real,

946
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 3: doable and kind of an attractive prospect. Like, so it's

947
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 3: worth doing it for you, not just because you're looking

948
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 3: after the environment, but it's because it's just a smarter option.

949
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: So I think that's my purpose. And the same with

950
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: the food and things like that, is just to make

951
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: eating more veggies accessible and cool and yeah, and anyone

952
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: can just do it. It's not about having like some

953
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: epic different skills that everyone else has or some kind

954
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: of different whole lifestyle. It's just I think that my purpose. Yeah,

955
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: it's just being a dage to make it accessible you yourself.

956
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: Is it splodged.

957
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: From Blinky Bill's like, because you're like that age, it's

958
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: just an eighties baby thing to know splodg Well, I.

959
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: Know splodge But as soon as you said blinky Bill,

960
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: I figured it out.

961
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, that kind of big dopey kangaroo and

962
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: Blinky Bill for anyone that doesn't know. But I think

963
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: like one. Some feedback I get is that I am

964
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 3: kind of come across as quite goofy coordinated. Yeah, like

965
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: everyone's got something, isn't it.

966
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: Have you ever walked in high heels? Have you ever

967
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: walked in high heels?

968
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? I look like a fole that just got born right,

969
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: and it's just.

970
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: Like you would, especially because of your long limbs.

971
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not good.

972
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: I used to wear them because I used to work

973
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: in fashion and start as did you, and I and

974
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: my boss at the time, who was the designer of

975
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: the shop that I worked at, was like, you literally

976
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 2: are walking looking like a daddy long leave.

977
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 3: Just send one leg out first, the next to this.

978
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: Day, to this day.

979
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: And I'm really so you don't wear them?

980
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: No, And boss is the same hid me. He's going

981
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,959
Speaker 2: to kill me for saying that, but he's the same

982
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: high perfect. It doesn't really suit for me to wear

983
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: even if I wear a beautiful frog, give me a

984
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: pair of.

985
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: Cons and throwing a drink on a dance floor, and

986
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: it's like, not the way to happen. It's not cool,

987
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: not for me.

988
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: So good, I'm glad that you will.

989
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: So I get told goofy, quirky all that kind of stuff.

990
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: I think that that's.

991
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: It's good because it's it's showing people that if you're

992
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: not the status quo, it's still all yeah, you know.

993
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: I like that, And I think that hopefully, yeah, people

994
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: see us being goofy and go oh, I don't have

995
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 3: to be like perfect or cool.

996
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: I look the same every other Instagram.

997
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I tried to be cool with my early twenties.

998
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 3: It didn't work out for me. Oh yeah, no, no,

999
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: it didn't work out for me either. What And I

1000
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: just want to end on like people listening that might

1001
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: be kind of like, oh my god, like.

1002
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: She lives the dream, like she lives this, she's got

1003
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: books out, she's got an epig dog.

1004
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: Well that's probably me being like, oh my god, I

1005
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: want Fred.

1006
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: But that maybe, like, especially with like Corona and Lockdown,

1007
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: I think it's forced people to face their values a

1008
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: little bit and what they really want.

1009
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: And get pretty honest with themselves.

1010
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: More, is your advice for someone that's like got a

1011
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: passion of some sort or a dream but they're struggling

1012
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: to kind of commit to it.

1013
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: It's a loaded question. I apologize, No.

1014
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: That's okay. I think if you're really struggling to commit

1015
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: to a dream, I think give it some time. That

1016
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 3: might sound a little bit counterintuitive because I think that

1017
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: I think it's like finding the difference between if you're struggling,

1018
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: what is the reason you're struggling to commit to it?

1019
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 3: Would be the question i'd ask. If it's fear, then

1020
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 3: that's probably not a good reason to not commit to it.

1021
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: But if it's something like it doesn't feel right, if

1022
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: it's an intuition, gut reaction, then then I don't think

1023
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 3: I think that's a reason not to commit to it.

1024
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: But I think if it's a fear thing, if you

1025
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: struggle to commit to something, it's really like looking at

1026
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 3: it and then thinking what would life be like if

1027
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 3: I didn't do that? And that might make you realize

1028
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: you did to do it, because it's looking at what

1029
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: the outcome could be of not doing it.

1030
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: Totally.

1031
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 3: That makes sense, Yes.

1032
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: And I had a guest on called Purvis Taylor, who's

1033
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 2: a life coach, and he said, fear is just when

1034
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: you're out of your comfort zone. It only crops up

1035
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: when comfort goes away. Yes, So if you kind of

1036
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: look at it like that way, and it's a constraint

1037
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: of the mind, and like we build everything up to

1038
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: be wayward.

1039
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: It's a protective mechanism from age sage tigers running after us.

1040
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: But I think if you kind of look at it

1041
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: like that, it's like, oh, it just means I might

1042
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: be a bit uncomfortable. Yes, it becomes a little bit

1043
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: easier to digest to know that, Hey, if you want

1044
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 2: to be successful, you've got a dream where you've got.

1045
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: To goes part and parcel with it too. I think

1046
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: that's the other thing that I have realized is that

1047
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 3: there's nothing I've created with natural hurry or done that

1048
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 3: hasn't been scary. It's going fear comes up in every

1049
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: good thing that you go to do. And also I

1050
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 3: might say every bad thing, like I'm bloody scared of skydiving.

1051
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: I'm I'm not saying I'm going to do it. I

1052
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: loved it, Yeah, you loved it.

1053
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: And it was scary.

1054
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 3: I mean, there's if it's a if it's a dream

1055
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: to create something, for example, and it's not something that's

1056
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 3: going to put your life in danger, if it's just

1057
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: putting yourself out there creating something that might help somebody,

1058
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 3: and the fear is just the vulnerability thing, then I

1059
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: think you need to look into like past that, and

1060
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 3: it's just going to crop up in everything you do

1061
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: when it comes to like getting out of your comfort

1062
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 3: zone and fear is just hand in hand and good

1063
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 3: things come from pretty much everything that you do out

1064
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 3: of your comfort zone. I love that it's not going

1065
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: to not to say that you won't get a vulnerability hangover,

1066
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 3: which I get every time I do any Instagram post,

1067
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 3: produce any blog post, do any work for anyone, create

1068
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 3: the books, recipes, everything. It's that like, but you usually

1069
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 3: points me in the direction of it's something good.

1070
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: So what's the vulnerability hangover? Is that when you're like,

1071
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: here it.

1072
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: Is and then you're like, oh my God, might have

1073
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: shared something personal. Yeah that can help other people, But

1074
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 3: it's just the fact that you've put yourself out there

1075
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 3: and then there's that feeling after it. It's a bit

1076
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 3: of a like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, That's what I'd

1077
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 3: call vulnerability hangover. I like that.

1078
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: Recently on my Instagram, I shared that I had a

1079
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 2: lump cut out of my arm.

1080
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 1: And I was so nervous to share that.

1081
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: I kind of sat on it for a week and

1082
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think I want to say anything.

1083
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: I don't think I want to say anything. And it

1084
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: was just because I was fearing judgment. Yeah, and that's

1085
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: that same and.

1086
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 3: The vulnerability is kind of the fearing of judgment. I

1087
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: think total others. But the thing is, the thing I've

1088
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 3: realized is that you're going to get judged no matter

1089
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 3: what which way you do things. It doesn't matter. You're

1090
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: not never going to please everyone. Yeah, because and that's

1091
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: not a reason not to do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, yeah, yeah, you make me want to

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Speaker 2: chase fears.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I love it, natural Harry, thank you so much. Jumping

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Speaker 2: on the Poto Home. Book number three is out on

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Speaker 2: the twenty ninth of October, but available now for pre order.

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00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to see this little puppy fly I started.

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00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: It's the perfect size too. You can still chuck it

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Speaker 2: in your bag and take it shopping.

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00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: When you're getting ingredients and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: Smiling first two yeap.

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Speaker 2: And oh mate, I could do podcasts with you every day.

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Speaker 2: So total total dream. I'm going to go on Pat

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Speaker 2: Fred now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, like big love. Thanks ledged.

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Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 2: thank you to our guests and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 2: on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I'm at Yumo lollaberry.

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Speaker 2: This potty my word for podcast is available on all

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Speaker 2: streaming platforms. I'd love it if you could subscribe, write

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Speaker 2: and comment and of course spread the love.