WEBVTT - 'Charity' Back Flip, The 'Ugly' Table & Getting Older 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.200 This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:06.680 exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:10.560 Sophie Torva. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:15.720 identical opinions, so sometimes things can get hated. Outspoken covers 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:20.640 all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:28.120 That is so fat Thank you. I had a moment 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.360 on the weekend where I realized I was a proper adult. Now. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.800 I know we're thirty two, but I do think you 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.159 can be in your thirties and still not officially an adult. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:39.360 Is that a bit like Sophie not being a real 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.640 adult Because I have come to her house so many 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.720 times and I'll go to the downstairs bathroom and There'll 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.280 be no toilet lot that happens every time I'm here. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.559 I'm like, well, no, it's more the upstairs bathroom. And 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:52.040 so I was like, oh, we didn't bring it upstairs. Look, 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.960 I'm practically a gens eta here. I date someone five 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.400 years younger than me. I'm trying to keep it pretty cool, 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.360 so I try and you know, pretend that I've gotten 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.600 these things. I do like that you've actually admitted that 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.600 it is a five year age difference because in our 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:06.880 Facebook community you were trying to push it at four 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.000 and I had to correct you, Well, it's technically four 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.880 point five whatever, So okay, can you tell us what 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.479 it is? It actually made you an adult? Okay? So 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.440 I realized that. So we've got two bathrooms, but we 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.039 also have soap in our laundry and our kitchen, so 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:25.319 basically four soap like pump dispenses and that three is it? No, 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.720 we've got two bathrooms? Oh okay. So I decided that 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.800 we needed more soap, and I made the adult decision 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.000 to buy a one liter bottle of the liquid soap 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.520 because it was cheaper and it was better for the environment. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:40.880 And I was walking around the house and I had 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.039 such joy filling up my soap dispenses. I just felt like, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.280 really accomplished from it. I hope my boyfriend he does that. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.400 So you say that we're not adults, but he literally 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.400 buys soap like it's going out of fashion. But that's 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.160 more because he's a German. No, but does he buy 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:54.880 the Lida bottle? 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:55.200 Yeah? 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:55.600 He does? 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:59.240 Okay, brand is the adult in your relationship? Do you 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.160 know what makes me feel like an adult? Is when 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.680 I actually bring my reusable bags to the shop. That's 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.040 something I always forget and day will be like, have 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.520 you got your bags? And the other day I actually 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.200 remembered them and I felt like such a legend. Oh well, 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.079 I mean resent and I get paid out for doing 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.000 our big shop, which I think is pretty normal. And 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.760 I've got to say, we always bring our disposal bags. 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.839 And do you know what is the saddest thing I'm 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:25.280 outing myself. We have a competition to see who can 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.000 get closest to how much the groceries going off that 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.280 I feel like my life has hit an ultimate low 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.560 when that is happening on the weekend. Because we always 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:35.600 joke that when we hear you doing your big shop, 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.120 but that's like you're outing for the day. Oh that's 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:42.079 a bit me a reward if you get it right. No, 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.040 it's just the pride of guessing it correct. We'll talking 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.160 about the soup mark. I feel like this is another one, 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.600 another moment where you kind of realize you're either an 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:53.040 adult or old. It's when you're walking along the aisles 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.000 and you hear a song and you're like, wow, I 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.799 love this song. This was an absolute banger back in 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.480 the day. That's funny you say that because Reese's mum 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:06.760 actually apparently only shops at Cole's because they play good music. Really, Yeah, 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:08.280 do you know what another one is? 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:09.800 I was thinking about this the other day. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.200 I actually saw this on TikTok, and it was saying 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.400 that when you're in your twenties, you just, you know, 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.200 you use a makeup wipe and you just chuck it 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:17.840 in the bin. But when you're in your thirties, you 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.200 use that makeup white to then wipe down your sink 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.639 and your bench. And I find myself doing that all 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:24.440 the time. I couldn't relate to that one at all 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:28.200 because my sink is literally covered in orange powder. Yeah, 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.120 yours is gross. I don't use the makeup wipe because 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:32.359 I feel like it's got makeup on it, but I 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.400 do do that with a tissue. I've got to say, well, maybe, Kate, 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:37.400 you need to start actually doing it. And so, especially 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.520 if your sink's a orange, which they shouldn't be orange 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.400 in the first place, you need to use a makeup 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.040 whe if my landlord is listening listening white every time. 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.680 I actually had a moment this week at work where 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.040 I felt really old So this twenty year old girl 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.600 came in and she's like doing the social media for 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.000 a fashion brand in Adelaide, and she wanted to pick 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.920 my brain about Facebook advertising. And I was scrolling through 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.119 having a look at posts that the page had made, 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.160 and I'm like, oh, is that Lauren Gibbs. So she 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.840 is about I think thirty, and she dates Bryce Gibbs, 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.480 who's a Crows player, and I was like, Oh, bad, 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.320 should we be naming her? It's very inchly. Well, no, 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:15.839 I think she's absolutely gorgeous. And I was like, oh, wow, 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.800 so she's modeling for your page, and then the girl goes, yeah, 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.000 she actually attracts a bit of an older audience, like 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.040 I think she's like thirty five forty, And I knew 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:27.800 she was younger than me, and I was like like, 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:29.680 as in, Lauren Gibbs is younger than me. And I 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.480 was like, Oh my god, how old does she think 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.840 I am. It's funny you say that because we had 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.720 another incident where it was about age. So when Kate 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:38.400 and I were at kok car but this is going 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.800 to pump out tops. I'm pumping up my own tires here. 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.680 So we were at Kokhr and we chatted to the 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:45.720 girl last weekend that we were there, shows them many 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.400 times with it, and she knew that it was our birthday. 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:50.640 So when she saw her, she's like, how is your birthday? 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.520 Are you heading out this weekend? And I said, I'm 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.680 heading to Kate's house just to go out for to 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.320 have dinner at her house. I'm like, what about you? Yeah, 0:04:58.440 --> 0:04:59.600 head and to RCC. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.040 Just going over to Kekes to fill up some soap dispensers. 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.000 You know, we had tacos. So she's like, yeah, just 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.560 heading to the Royal Croquet Club tonight and I was like, oh, 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:10.560 I haven't been there at all this year, probably haven't 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.760 been there for about five years. You know. The phrase 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.120 you kept using was back in the day. And I 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.200 knew this girl did not think we were thirty two 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.640 because she dropped that she was twenty one, and she 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:22.240 was kind of talking as if we were on the 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.920 same level, which I really appreciated. Yeah, so the conversation 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.680 got so awkward. We had to say I'm sorry, but 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.120 we're a lot older than you. And then she was 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:32.800 shocked and we said that we were thirty two. She 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:34.760 thought we were about twenty three, So, like I was 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.640 feeling on top of the world for the rest of 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.200 the week. And then I also reflected we were wearing 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.760 active wear with our hair pulled back. I was like, 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:45.040 should I start dressing like a bit more I don't know, older, 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.640 like I was a bit more sophistical. Sure, yeah, I 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.720 was gonna ask, were you guys wearing your new jeans 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.760 and no middle part? I actually, well, I actually do 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.560 have a middle part, so maybe that's sort of why. 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.320 But no, I wasn't wearing my big wide fat leggage jeans. 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.680 I don't have them. And I'm actually beginning to be 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.680 really uncomfortable whenever I go out because I just don't 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.960 even know what to wear, Like I hate everything at own. 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.840 It was wearing most Guinea jeans the other day, and 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:11.839 Brandon's like, oh, so you've opted for your old lady 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:12.440 jeans today. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.400 See. The thing I think is just got to make 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.440 charity sexy. And I did that really, I mean, it's 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:24.240 how I started. I was one of the first who thought, well, 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.200 you know, charity is pre or it just ends up 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.280 like this, you know, just sounds. 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:30.760 Up like a sort of sad shop like this. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:32.720 The only people who come into the shop are the 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:34.880 ones that need the charity anyway, So what's the point. 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.320 On Monday's episode, we discussed how micro influencer Caitlin Rodriguez 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:43.200 branded her influencer garage sale as a charity event, despite 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.480 not naming who the charity is and how much is 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.360 being donated. Now we have a bit of an update. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:51.200 Since the episode aired, Wasteless has subsequently deleted its previous 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.640 post about the event, including the poster, which included comments 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.640 questioning where the money is going and the commentary surrounding 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.280 the ah triablec laws regarding the event. Now, a new 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.760 event poster has instead been put up and the words 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.200 charity event have been taken down. It instead says that 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.159 fifty percent of ticket sales and fifty percent of revenue 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.520 from all stall higher is going to the charity. It 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.040 has been confirmed by Wasteless in the comment section that 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.520 no money from the sale of the actual clothing is 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.200 going to the charity. It's actually so embarrassing for Wasteless 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:25.160 because they pride themselves on donating a minimum of ten 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.640 percent of every sale that they make through the website. However, 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.320 for the charity event or so called charity event that 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.720 goes out the window. So that doesn't make any sense 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.360 to me. Something on Now, you're giving fifty percent of 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:39.560 stall higher, but what does that actually mean? Because does 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.720 Wasteless only hire one stall or does each influencer that's 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.960 donating clothes have their own store? And surely that's not 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.800 an expensive thing to do. And I'm sorry, how embarrassing 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.320 that they're charging the influencers who are in all of 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:55.200 their marketing collateral to pay for a stall higher, Like 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.640 doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't it be the money from 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.080 their clothes that they're selling. And plus her boyfriend and 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:05.360 is an owner. Well ex boyfriend owns the market that's 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.680 been selling, so surely they're getting mates rates for those 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.440 stall well, just to reiterate your original point, Kate, a 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.840 follower asked Caitlin on the Wasteless Instagram whether the money 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.160 from the sale of the clothes actually goes to the charity. 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.840 Caitlin confirmed this is from our online store. A minimum 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.240 of ten percent of every sale goes directly to PLAN 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.400 when purchased from our online store. The in real life 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.920 market is a one off activation and is separate to 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.480 our online store. However, we still wanted to give back 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.640 to Plan, so fifty percent of the proceeds from the 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.679 event in brackets stall, higher and entry go directly to plan. 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.360 So I'm a little bit confused here. Why when you 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.840 do this automatically for a charity, do you then tell 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.400 the event a huge charity event and you're not doing 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.839 the original offering. What blows my mind even further is 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.480 now they're offering a bring a friend along if you've 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.880 already purchased a ticket, So obviously ticket sales aren't going well. However, 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.079 they're cutting into the apparent donation revenue. Can I just 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.640 point out it's obvious that Wasteless listen to our podcast 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.600 because our podcast page has since been blocked from being 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.720 able to view their Instagram and only since the episode 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.760 aired have they actually answered questions about where the money 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.120 is going to. Also, in regards to the fact that 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.640 they're allowing people to bring in a friend for free, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.880 does that not show what their true motivations are. Their 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.839 motivations isn't to get as many people there to raise 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.000 as much money for the charity. Their motivation is to 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.959 get people there to buy clothes, which then goes into 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.640 the influencer's pocket and Wasteless as pocket. Do you know 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:34.559 what I find embarrassing is the whole thing. Yeah, I 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:38.000 find it awful for the influencers who've been dragged into 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.480 it in terms of there are some big Sydney Sydney 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.480 influencers who are coming along to this event. There's Sammy Robinson, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.600 there's Amelia from Love Island and Josh from Love Island 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.880 and by all accounts, these influencers have no idea that 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.920 this is not truly what it has been touted as 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.439 originally as a charity. Do you think that? Do you 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.600 not think that they should be doing their due diligence 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.559 and look into it themselves. And we don't know what 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.600 they've actually been told. We don't know if they were told, hey, 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.600 we're going to toeut this is a charity event, except 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.480 you're making bank on all of the clothes that you 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.480 got for free, did you guys? See a comment also 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.640 from Kaitlyn saying that they hadn't actually named the charity 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.160 because they hadn't got final sign off. Why are you 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.040 promoting it then? Exactly right? And it sounds odd that 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.880 they didn't get final sign off despite already aligning with 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.400 that brand for their apparent ten percent off on their 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.160 every purchase. Would you know what was quite I found 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:31.080 quite humorous. Another user wrote under the photo on Waces' 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.840 Instagram saying, I really doubt that you guys are paying 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.800 for the market still fee. Hope no one attends the event. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.800 Support local and small businesses with a great course. And 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:44.400 Caitlyn replied, and this comment has subsequently been deleted. She said, Hey, 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.680 thank you for your concern with full transparency, we are 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.360 in fact paying Bronte Surf Life Saving Club a venue 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:54.040 higher fee. We are running ads, paying other marketing expenses 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:58.439 in brackets, signage, purchasing tables, clothing racks, and staff fees. 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.760 Resistant on the assistant on the day, it's like, well, 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.839 how much really goes into creating a crappy poster which 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.080 you've had to redo? It looks checking a bit behind 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.880 Facebook advertised. It looks like it's been created on canvas, 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.160 which you can get for free. And also event bright 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.640 which where how they're flogging the tickets off is a 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.880 free service too. And I'm sure that the Bondi Bizarre 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.800 Market have a few tables that are easily accessible. Isn't 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.680 that what you're paying for when you're hiring the store? 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.280 What do you guys, how do you guys think Wasteless 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.240 are making money because is it the influencers that are 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.600 receiving the full amount that people, you know, when people 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.520 go to buy their clothes, or are they receiving the 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.040 fifty percent of ticket sales? No, I believe that the 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.640 influencers receive a percentage for the close the same way 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.839 when they share them through the website. So do you 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.640 know what though? That is interesting because yeah, normally if 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.040 it's sold through the website, they claim that you know, 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.199 Plan gets a ten percent. However, Caitlin then gets the 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.800 money also because she's taking the photos and organizing the sale, 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.679 whereas if these influencers are actually having to attend the 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.959 event and sell their own clothes and pay you to 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.880 have a stare, I don't know how Wasteless and Caitlin 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.679 are making any money off. That's maybe why they took 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.920 the ten percent. Maybe ten percent's going to her rather 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:11.440 than Plan. You mean fifty percent? Well, I wonder if 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.439 that's why they suddenly have ticket sales and only because 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.600 this podcast called them out, have they gone, oh shit, 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.160 we better say that fifty percent is donated to charity 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.240 and they must be taking the other fifty percent. Do 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.080 you know what, I found quite amusing. Today. The influencers 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.400 started sharing the new poster on their social channels, but 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.600 Jade Tunci's sister clearly didn't get the memo because she's 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.880 not even calling her baron know who she is, Jardi 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:37.079 Twincy's sister. She shared the old poster which had that 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.439 it was a charity event and wasteless still reshared it. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.319 If you've got, you know, all this spend on marketing, 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.640 would you, as the person who's doing the marketing not 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.559 say take that down immediately and put up the correct 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.199 marketing collateral. Well, I haven't actually seen any Instagram or 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.559 Facebook ads it. That's not to say they don't exist. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.800 But do you think this marketing spend she's referring to 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.839 is actually paying the influencers to promote the event? Well, 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:00.800 she claimed it was for signing. They must have a 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.720 big sign outside of the Bronti Surf Club. If someone 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.959 in our Facebook community floated the idea of attending the 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.719 event just to tell us what was going on, I mean, 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:12.679 what a legend in the first place. But if you 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.280 do happen this weekend to go let us know what 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.480 it's like. And I mean at least the money some 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.560 of the money. Don't buy any of the clothes because 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.679 that's not going to charity, but support it through the 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:23.960 ticket sale. Or maybe just go down to your Vinnie's 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.559 and buy some clothes. I was gonna say maybe the 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:28.959 Vinnie's a Beck Judd frequents. I'd like to go to 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.079 that one. And just to wrap it up, we actually 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.040 had our listener send us a really great podcast recommendation 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.719 on this topic. So the Culture Club have done a 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.240 really great podcast regarding greenwashing and fast fashion and I'd 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.839 highly recommend checking that out. We'll leave the details in 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:44.600 our show notes. 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.800 How much Willter Johnny do you think has gone in 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.880 to grow in the cotton necessary to make this jacket? 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:59.120 Throwing the cotton to make that jacket will have taken 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.160 ten thousand, three hundreds As Sir Elita's water. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.679 Let's get into the influencer rab and. On Saturday afternoon, 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.400 Abby Chatfield went on a four minute rant on an 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:14.800 Instagram story about her outdoor table. Now, Abby was sent 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.000 the wrong table by a furniture company and she was 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.720 not happy about it. I've got to say it really 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.760 reminded me of Sophie. The last couple of weeks going 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.960 off about her mobile phone. Oh my gosh, let's not 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:28.840 Can we not have him repeat what the issue was 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:30.680 with him? I know Sophie has had some issues with 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.120 their phone. It's been sent back. We're not sure if 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.600 said issues have been fixed. But she was a bit 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:40.040 red ross. I would say, oh my god, Age Ragefield. 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.160 Oh it's taking all of my energy not to name 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.560 my phone provider because they have been absolutely hopeless. Now, 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.680 let's not get you started, Sophie. But it was quite 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:52.960 reminiscent you're ranting. It was reminiscent of Abby's rant on Instagram. Yeah, 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.760 but the difference is Sophie didn't put on Instagram. No, 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.480 I mean I could have. Yeah, she was close to 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.120 putting on Instagram. I do actually get the frustration of 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.200 being sent something that's completely wrong, and I do I 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.520 have a different opinion on this story than you do, 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.480 K because I think it was she was trying to 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.640 be funny with this read. Yeah, No, I definitely think 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.320 it started off funny. So Abby explained that she'd spent 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.400 a month choosing an outdoor table. She'd actually paid someone 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.960 to put it together, and the company, as I said, 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.040 sent the wrong table. So She actually went to a 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.480 story and said that the table was so ugly that 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.600 it made her feel physically uncomfortable having it in her house. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:29.600 So I'll just throw to a little bit of a 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.200 snippet of her rant. It isn't even that bad. 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.160 It just it's just, oh my god, I'm not even kidding. 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:39.040 I know if it's like my anxiety or it's I'm 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.160 actually getting angry looking at it because it doesn't go 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.440 with my apartment. So like, look at my beautiful like 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:48.520 something like eyes. Everything goes, everything makes sense, Everything has 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.400 been like curated. It takes me so long to choose 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:57.920 anything and then look, really, oh my god, it's so 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.080 it's so just like it looks. 0:15:59.880 --> 0:16:01.080 Like, oh. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.000 Makes me feel physically ill. The man who made it 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:06.840 was really nice. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:07.360 And really helpful. 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.560 I'm not being drammic. It's given me genuine anxiety looking 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:11.400 at it. I can't look at it. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.480 I'll give it to Abby. She didn't actually name the brand. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.080 She did threaten that if they didn't rectify the situation, 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:21.680 she may name them. However, it was very dramatic. Do 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.040 you know what I found really interesting? She was mentioning 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.240 the fact that there was silver little nuts and bolts, 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.760 I suppose on the table and she says, nails whatever. 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.760 There was some silver element on the table and it 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.000 didn't go with the rest of the aesthetics of her house, 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.200 which she's a very gold bronze show, but she said 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.440 she didn't. I just love Sobey's take on this. She 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.360 just said that she doesn't have any silver in her house, 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.760 any silver jewels. It just reminded me because I remember 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.320 when I was working with a group of girls, all 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.000 of them was so funny about you can't wear gold 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.720 jewelry and then have a silver buckle on your belt, 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.720 and I, literally, I'm not the most observant person that 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.040 is never struck me as something that seemed to look 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.639 I think she was joking. I know that she was joking, 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.400 but it just reminded me of how so many people 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.240 think that that's so important that you can't have clashing jewelry, 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.800 and I get that look. I found her rant kind 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:15.760 of funny. I found it a little bit over dramatic 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:17.879 considering what's actually going on in New South Wales with 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.720 the flooding at the time. However, I got to the 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.600 point it was like, you know, as I said, the 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.840 video went for four minutes, and it started to annoy 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:27.600 me when she was going on that she hasn't had 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.639 a break for six to twelve months and that she 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.320 actually hires a lot of people to do stuff because 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.520 she just doesn't have the time. Now, it seemed a 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.560 bit contradictory considering she had enough time to rant about 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.520 the table, and then she started getting really passive aggressive 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.040 with her followers. It seems to be a bit of 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.479 a trend at the moment. Now. I understand people can 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:48.920 be annoying in DMS, Like I'm not talking about like 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.640 not that I've ever experienced it, but when I see 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.439 influencers sharing some of the feedback they get like, obviously 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.240 the negative stuff's horrible, but even just sort of like, oh, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.000 like really obvious things. And if you're getting that huh 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:01.800 hundreds of times, I can see how that would be annoying. 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.960 But also, you know how to bite the hand that 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:05.560 feeds you. But do you It's not think that she's 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.280 just creating content by having a rant about the table. 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.480 I think she's talking about it because it's something that 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.760 is relatable. I think what Kate's saying, though, is a 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.600 lot of followers were annoyed because they felt like she 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:18.760 was ranting at them when they were trying to help her. 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:20.840 And also, so if I've got to say, I don't 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.760 think she was being relatable because for most people, purchasing 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:28.920 a outdoor table, it's actually really expensive, and then getting 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.320 someone to make the table and then having a rant 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.720 about how ugly this table was when it really was 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.840 a pretty basic table. I kind of liked the table, Yeah, 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.320 I didn't really like. I like the one she chose. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.840 She actually chose like a lot. However, it's not like 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.840