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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torva. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get hated. Outspoken covers

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Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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Speaker 1: That is so fat Thank you. I had a moment

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Speaker 1: on the weekend where I realized I was a proper adult. Now.

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Speaker 1: I know we're thirty two, but I do think you

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Speaker 1: can be in your thirties and still not officially an adult.

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Speaker 1: Is that a bit like Sophie not being a real

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Speaker 1: adult Because I have come to her house so many

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Speaker 1: times and I'll go to the downstairs bathroom and There'll

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Speaker 1: be no toilet lot that happens every time I'm here.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, no, it's more the upstairs bathroom. And

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Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, we didn't bring it upstairs. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm practically a gens eta here. I date someone five

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Speaker 1: years younger than me. I'm trying to keep it pretty cool,

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Speaker 1: so I try and you know, pretend that I've gotten

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Speaker 1: these things. I do like that you've actually admitted that

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Speaker 1: it is a five year age difference because in our

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Speaker 1: Facebook community you were trying to push it at four

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Speaker 1: and I had to correct you, Well, it's technically four

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Speaker 1: point five whatever, So okay, can you tell us what

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Speaker 1: it is? It actually made you an adult? Okay? So

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Speaker 1: I realized that. So we've got two bathrooms, but we

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Speaker 1: also have soap in our laundry and our kitchen, so

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Speaker 1: basically four soap like pump dispenses and that three is it? No,

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Speaker 1: we've got two bathrooms? Oh okay. So I decided that

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Speaker 1: we needed more soap, and I made the adult decision

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Speaker 1: to buy a one liter bottle of the liquid soap

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Speaker 1: because it was cheaper and it was better for the environment.

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Speaker 1: And I was walking around the house and I had

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Speaker 1: such joy filling up my soap dispenses. I just felt like,

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Speaker 1: really accomplished from it. I hope my boyfriend he does that.

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Speaker 1: So you say that we're not adults, but he literally

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Speaker 1: buys soap like it's going out of fashion. But that's

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Speaker 1: more because he's a German. No, but does he buy

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Speaker 1: the Lida bottle?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: He does?

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Speaker 1: Okay, brand is the adult in your relationship? Do you

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Speaker 1: know what makes me feel like an adult? Is when

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Speaker 1: I actually bring my reusable bags to the shop. That's

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Speaker 1: something I always forget and day will be like, have

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Speaker 1: you got your bags? And the other day I actually

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Speaker 1: remembered them and I felt like such a legend. Oh well,

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Speaker 1: I mean resent and I get paid out for doing

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Speaker 1: our big shop, which I think is pretty normal. And

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Speaker 1: I've got to say, we always bring our disposal bags.

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Speaker 1: And do you know what is the saddest thing I'm

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Speaker 1: outing myself. We have a competition to see who can

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Speaker 1: get closest to how much the groceries going off that

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Speaker 1: I feel like my life has hit an ultimate low

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Speaker 1: when that is happening on the weekend. Because we always

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Speaker 1: joke that when we hear you doing your big shop,

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Speaker 1: but that's like you're outing for the day. Oh that's

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Speaker 1: a bit me a reward if you get it right. No,

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Speaker 1: it's just the pride of guessing it correct. We'll talking

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Speaker 1: about the soup mark. I feel like this is another one,

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Speaker 1: another moment where you kind of realize you're either an

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Speaker 1: adult or old. It's when you're walking along the aisles

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Speaker 1: and you hear a song and you're like, wow, I

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Speaker 1: love this song. This was an absolute banger back in

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Speaker 1: the day. That's funny you say that because Reese's mum

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Speaker 1: actually apparently only shops at Cole's because they play good music. Really, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: do you know what another one is?

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about this the other day.

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Speaker 1: I actually saw this on TikTok, and it was saying

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Speaker 1: that when you're in your twenties, you just, you know,

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Speaker 1: use that makeup white to then wipe down your sink

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Speaker 1: and your bench. And I find myself doing that all

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Speaker 1: the time. I couldn't relate to that one at all

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Speaker 1: because my sink is literally covered in orange powder. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: yours is gross. I don't use the makeup wipe because

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Speaker 1: you need to start actually doing it. And so, especially

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Speaker 1: if your sink's a orange, which they shouldn't be orange

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Speaker 1: whe if my landlord is listening listening white every time.

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Speaker 1: I actually had a moment this week at work where

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Speaker 1: I felt really old So this twenty year old girl

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Speaker 1: should we be naming her? It's very inchly. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: I think she's absolutely gorgeous. And I was like, oh, wow,

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Speaker 1: so she's modeling for your page, and then the girl goes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: she actually attracts a bit of an older audience, like

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Speaker 1: I think she's like thirty five forty, And I knew

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Speaker 1: I am. It's funny you say that because we had

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Speaker 1: another incident where it was about age. So when Kate

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Speaker 1: to pump out tops. I'm pumping up my own tires here.

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Speaker 1: So we were at Kokhr and we chatted to the

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Speaker 1: So when she saw her, she's like, how is your birthday?

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Speaker 1: Are you heading out this weekend? And I said, I'm

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Speaker 1: heading to Kate's house just to go out for to

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Speaker 3: Just going over to Kekes to fill up some soap dispensers.

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Speaker 1: You know, we had tacos. So she's like, yeah, just

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Speaker 1: heading to the Royal Croquet Club tonight and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I haven't been there at all this year, probably haven't

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Speaker 1: been there for about five years. You know. The phrase

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Speaker 1: got so awkward. We had to say I'm sorry, but

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Speaker 1: But no, I wasn't wearing my big wide fat leggage jeans.

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Speaker 1: I don't have them. And I'm actually beginning to be

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Speaker 1: even know what to wear, Like I hate everything at own.

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Speaker 1: Brandon's like, oh, so you've opted for your old lady

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Speaker 2: See. The thing I think is just got to make

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Speaker 2: charity sexy. And I did that really, I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: how I started. I was one of the first who thought, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, charity is pre or it just ends up

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Speaker 2: like this, you know, just sounds.

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Speaker 1: Up like a sort of sad shop like this.

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Speaker 2: The only people who come into the shop are the

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Speaker 2: ones that need the charity anyway, So what's the point.

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Speaker 1: On Monday's episode, we discussed how micro influencer Caitlin Rodriguez

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Speaker 1: Since the episode aired, Wasteless has subsequently deleted its previous

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Speaker 1: post about the event, including the poster, which included comments

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Speaker 1: questioning where the money is going and the commentary surrounding

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Speaker 1: the ah triablec laws regarding the event. Now, a new

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Speaker 1: event poster has instead been put up and the words

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Speaker 1: fifty percent of ticket sales and fifty percent of revenue

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Speaker 1: from all stall higher is going to the charity. It

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Speaker 1: has been confirmed by Wasteless in the comment section that

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Speaker 1: no money from the sale of the actual clothing is

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Speaker 1: going to the charity. It's actually so embarrassing for Wasteless

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Speaker 1: because they pride themselves on donating a minimum of ten

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Speaker 1: percent of every sale that they make through the website. However,

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Speaker 1: for the charity event or so called charity event that

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Speaker 1: goes out the window. So that doesn't make any sense

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Speaker 1: to me. Something on Now, you're giving fifty percent of

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Speaker 1: Wasteless only hire one stall or does each influencer that's

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Speaker 1: donating clothes have their own store? And surely that's not

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Speaker 1: an expensive thing to do. And I'm sorry, how embarrassing

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Speaker 1: that they're charging the influencers who are in all of

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Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't it be the money from

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Speaker 1: their clothes that they're selling. And plus her boyfriend and

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Speaker 1: follower asked Caitlin on the Wasteless Instagram whether the money

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Speaker 1: Caitlin confirmed this is from our online store. A minimum

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Speaker 1: when purchased from our online store. The in real life

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Speaker 1: our online store. However, we still wanted to give back

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Speaker 1: to Plan, so fifty percent of the proceeds from the

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Speaker 1: event in brackets stall, higher and entry go directly to plan.

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Speaker 1: So I'm a little bit confused here. Why when you

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Speaker 1: do this automatically for a charity, do you then tell

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Speaker 1: the event a huge charity event and you're not doing

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Speaker 1: the original offering. What blows my mind even further is

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Speaker 1: now they're offering a bring a friend along if you've

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Speaker 1: already purchased a ticket, So obviously ticket sales aren't going well. However,

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Speaker 1: they're cutting into the apparent donation revenue. Can I just

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Speaker 1: point out it's obvious that Wasteless listen to our podcast

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Speaker 1: because our podcast page has since been blocked from being

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Speaker 1: able to view their Instagram and only since the episode

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Speaker 1: aired have they actually answered questions about where the money

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Speaker 1: is going to. Also, in regards to the fact that

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Speaker 1: they're allowing people to bring in a friend for free,

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Speaker 1: does that not show what their true motivations are. Their

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Speaker 1: motivations isn't to get as many people there to raise

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Speaker 1: as much money for the charity. Their motivation is to

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Speaker 1: get people there to buy clothes, which then goes into

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Speaker 1: the influencer's pocket and Wasteless as pocket. Do you know

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Speaker 1: what I find embarrassing is the whole thing. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: find it awful for the influencers who've been dragged into

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Speaker 1: it in terms of there are some big Sydney Sydney

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Speaker 1: influencers who are coming along to this event. There's Sammy Robinson,

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Speaker 1: and by all accounts, these influencers have no idea that

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Speaker 1: this is not truly what it has been touted as

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Speaker 1: originally as a charity. Do you think that? Do you

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Speaker 4: How much Willter Johnny do you think has gone in

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Speaker 1: that's changing is that she used to lash out at

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Speaker 1: people weren't following her, like these are people in the

431
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Speaker 1: media or other people that had made negative commentary towards her,

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Speaker 1: and of course lash out at them. But now she

433
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Speaker 1: seems to be lashing out at her own fan base,

434
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Speaker 1: and I think that's quite dangerous for an influencer to do.

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Speaker 1: As I said, it's biting the hand that feeds you.

436
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Speaker 1: You if you're getting people to unfollow you because you're

437
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Speaker 1: you know, they've sent you something that they think is

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Speaker 1: helpful and you've actually then she was calling people out

439
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Speaker 1: in a DM screenshotting things and you know, leaving people's names,

440
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 1: which was not content that was like bullying. It was

441
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Speaker 1: actually helpful advice. I do get that, and I don't.

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Speaker 1: And I think if someone's sharing helpful advice, you should

443
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Speaker 1: always be thankful for it.

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Speaker 3: However it is.

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Speaker 1: It would be hard to continually be called privileged all

446
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Speaker 1: the time, and I think that Abby does a lot

447
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Speaker 1: for women's rights, and I think that it's hard because

448
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 1: a lot of the time people online will label other

449
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Speaker 1: people as privileged anytime they complain about anything. I mean, okay,

450
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Speaker 1: even you referenced, oh with what's going on with the floods,

451
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Speaker 1: and it's like, yes, it is awful what's going on,

452
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Speaker 1: but there can be issues in your life that you

453
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Speaker 1: were still annoyed about by something bigger happening in the world.

454
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Speaker 1: And I was the tone, it was the tone. It

455
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Speaker 1: was like, do you think I've got time to do this?

456
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Speaker 1: I hire people to do this. Like it really rubbed

457
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Speaker 1: me up the wrong way, and I was a joke though, No,

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Speaker 1: I don't like. I think we'll play some of the

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Speaker 1: clip to put into that I do.

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Speaker 5: I think she was.

461
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Speaker 3: Joking about that.

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Speaker 1: I think she thought that she was explaining explaining why

463
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Speaker 1: she couldn't do it, and maybe it came across the

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Speaker 1: wrong way. I'm going to put the clip here and

465
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Speaker 1: people can make their own assumption about it.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, but I actually didn't ask if I should sand

467
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Speaker 5: down the table and try out some arts and crabs

468
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Speaker 5: and send and change the corners and change the legs.

469
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Speaker 5: First of all, I haven't had a day off in

470
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Speaker 5: probably at least six months, probably more towards a year.

471
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Speaker 5: I haven't had to do some sort of urgent work,

472
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Speaker 5: so barely have time to call mom. Don't have time

473
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Speaker 5: to be doing sanding of tables. Sorry, m B, it's

474
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Speaker 5: not what I ordered, So we'll just get replaced. Send

475
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Speaker 5: the email. It's all good. Some you know, when you

476
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Speaker 5: ask someone or you've been to someone about something and

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Speaker 5: you'd asked for a solution, should they give you a

478
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Speaker 5: solution anyway, and you're like, it's not what I want

479
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Speaker 5: to want a bent that's what like one hundred of

480
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Speaker 5: you do my dams right now, guys, I have such

481
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Speaker 5: little time and energy that I get Air Tasker to

482
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Speaker 5: do everything, Like next week, I'm then to hang up

483
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Speaker 5: all the paintings I want.

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Speaker 1: You know why, because I don't.

485
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Speaker 5: I don't have the time or the energy, all the

486
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Speaker 5: craftsmanship to do it. I paid someone on Air Tasker

487
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Speaker 5: to do this. If I'm not going to put the

488
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Speaker 5: table myself, am I gonna sand it down to make

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Speaker 5: it more like the table that I bought, despite the

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Speaker 5: fact that it was the issue of the supplier, not

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Speaker 5: of the purchaser.

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Speaker 1: Me.

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Speaker 5: No, So don't need your solutions. About one hundred of

494
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Speaker 5: you my dms literally being passive aggressive, some of you,

495
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Speaker 5: some of you being like babe obviously just sang it.

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Speaker 2: Down and restain it.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I don't want to.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to, so I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not going to. Moving on and Laura Burne has caused

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Speaker 1: some controversy after she unknowingly labeled a inclusivity doll terrifying

501
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Speaker 1: and also scary as fuck on her Instagram story. Now,

502
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Speaker 1: Laura was out and about with her toddler, Marley May,

503
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Speaker 1: and she was in the Kmart toy section and Marley

504
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Speaker 1: was playing with a doll and she said, I think

505
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Speaker 1: we have enough crying babies at home. We don't need

506
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Speaker 1: another one. She's then zoomed up on one of the

507
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Speaker 1: dolls in the island said this baby here is truly terrifying.

508
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Speaker 1: This is a scary af doll. At that point, she

509
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Speaker 1: zoomed up on the doll and you could see that

510
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Speaker 1: the doll was labeled as baby Amelia with Down syndrome. Now,

511
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Speaker 1: the second I saw this story, I knew that there

512
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Speaker 1: was no malice intended and it had been a complete mistake,

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Speaker 1: And I actually felt sick for her because she's just

514
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Speaker 1: given birth to her second daughter, Lola, a couple of

515
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Speaker 1: months ago, a couple of weeks ago, really not long.

516
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Speaker 1: I think it's been six weeks, and she was obviously

517
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Speaker 1: racing around trying to do everything, and it's just been

518
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Speaker 1: a complete disaster, especially with well Down Syndrome day celebrated

519
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Speaker 1: on the day after on the Sunday. Yeah, I saw

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Speaker 1: this too, and my stomach drop because you just knew

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Speaker 1: that there was As you said, Kate, there was no

522
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Speaker 1: malice at all behind this, and I just knew that

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Speaker 1: this was going to be huge on social media. I

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Speaker 1: was just thinking about the daily mail headlines. I think

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Speaker 1: the thing that was really promising, though, was people saw

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Speaker 1: it for what it was a mistake and not something

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Speaker 1: that she intended, and I think that was really helped

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Speaker 1: by the heartfelt apology she put out there. So let's

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Speaker 1: play a clip of it.

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Speaker 6: I just want to quickly jump on here, and I'm

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Speaker 6: probably drawing more attention to something that I fuck me.

532
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Speaker 6: I just can't even begin to describe how sorry I am.

533
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Speaker 6: I have just received a whole heap of messages from

534
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Speaker 6: people I put up a story make were running through

535
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Speaker 6: Kmart and I was like, this doll looks scary. Af

536
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Speaker 6: is exactly what I said. And there was a dole

537
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Speaker 6: in Camart that I thought, genuinely just thought looked tired.

538
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Speaker 6: And so many of you guys have messaged me to

539
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Speaker 6: let me know that it was actually an insity doll

540
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Speaker 6: and I feel sick.

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Speaker 1: To my stomach, but a mistake that I made, so

542
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Speaker 1: I had no idea and I'm really really sorry for

543
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: it was totally unintentional. This is an excellent example of

544
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Speaker 1: how to make a public apology. She was extremely sincere,

545
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: and she took full responsibility. I mean she even cried

546
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Speaker 1: in it. You can't put that on I do think though,

547
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: it's a really helpful reminder for those who have big

548
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: followings to be so careful with what you post. I mean,

549
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Speaker 1: maybe film and then once you're sitting down and you're

550
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Speaker 1: you know, looking at the story properly post. I mean,

551
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Speaker 1: this poor woman, she's got a newborn baby and also

552
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: a toddler. She's probably had no sleep and has taken

553
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Speaker 1: her daughter to the shop. So I do feel really

554
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Speaker 1: sorry for her, and I also feel for anyone who

555
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: may it may have caused any upset for any families.

556
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: But I think she's addressed it really well and hopefully

557
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Speaker 1: we can all just move on from it. And as

558
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: you said, Kate, a great example of maybe how other

559
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: influential people should apologize if they've been caught out doing

560
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: the wrong thing. Are you ready to hear POD's verdict?

561
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Speaker 1: If I messed, Yeah, you have computes. You are a fantastic,

562
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: totally plastic queen of the umpo lumpers. Are you gonna

563
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: do to me? Card? I'm going to turn you into

564
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: a natural beauty. Okay, let's get into snog Mary and avoid,

565
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: and we've actually decided to rate triplets. Well they're not

566
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: really triplets, but they bloody all look the same. They're

567
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Speaker 1: influencers Tylia Scanes, Alie Alton, and m Davies. Because I

568
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: thought it was quite interesting because, as I said, they

569
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Speaker 1: all look the same, but they've got a different personality.

570
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: So they're all blonde, about a size six. You're kind

571
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Speaker 1: of typical looking influence, big boobes, big boobs, yep, lip

572
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: fill of that type of thing. I feel like this

573
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Speaker 1: is going to be really difficult to choose. Look now,

574
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Speaker 1: it's quite easy for me. I would marry Tarlia Scanes.

575
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Speaker 1: I actually think she's got a great personality. She's smart,

576
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Speaker 1: she's a lawyer, she's got a biller and Barley. Yeah,

577
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick Tarlia. I think I'm gonna have to

578
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Speaker 1: choose to avoid. Alie Outon after her terrible brand launch

579
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Speaker 1: the other day, has at She also been known for

580
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Speaker 1: injecting ten or something. Yes, it did come out on

581
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Speaker 1: a YouTube video. So she put up a clip of

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Speaker 1: her to do list and it said in jec tan

583
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: and that was swiftly taken down. Yes, I don't think

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00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: that really aligns with my value, so I will pash

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00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: M Davies. She'd be a bit wild on the party scene,

586
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: I believe, so party pash with M Davies. I have

587
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Speaker 1: to agree with. I have to agree with the Tylia

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00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: Scaines one because I actually genuinely do like her. She

589
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: comes across as a really likable person on her Instagram,

590
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: a bit more down to earth than the other two.

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00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: She even gets macis let's be fun, and she seems

592
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: to cook for Mitch, which I like, and she is smart.

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00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: I reckon I'd have a bit to talk to her about.

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00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: But with the others, can I choose to avoid both

595
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Speaker 1: of them? Because I just would have zero interest in

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Speaker 1: speaking to you. You have to be one to kiss. Oh,

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00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: I reckon Allie's maybe Alie. I don't like how M

598
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: Davies has that chair that looks like it belongs in

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00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: the hospital. Oh my gosh, she just told what I

600
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: was going to say. I was literally going to say

601
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: that I could not live with M Davies so I

602
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: couldn't marry her because of her taste in furniture. That

603
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: shocker chairs A Pasha still surely Yeah, Pasha on the chair.

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Speaker 3: Oh anyway, I think.

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Speaker 1: I would have to choose to Pash m Davies just

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Speaker 1: for the Cloud, because I think she's a bit more

607
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: she's more famous.

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Speaker 3: I suppose you realize that we're actually joking.

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Speaker 1: I don't. No one thinks I'm being serious. Anyway, I've

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00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: got an I think they seriously think we want to

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Speaker 1: pass it. But I met through the cloud. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean obviously Tulliuscaines. She seems really lovely, really switched on,

613
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Speaker 1: really intelligent. She's got absolutely bang a body as well.

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00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: I've got to say that, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then i'd avoid Allie.

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Speaker 1: I think. Well, I think that's all we've got time

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Speaker 1: for today. We do have a really exciting episode coming

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Speaker 1: on Monday. I'm salivating over it already. I'm really excited.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be joined by a huge media lawyer

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Speaker 1: in Sydney, a very well known one. It's actually your

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Speaker 1: personal lawyer, isn't it, Amy. He's fine.

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Speaker 3: How fancy do I have sound having my own personal work.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's my he was. That's my lawyer when I

624
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: was going through certain legal issues with a big network.

625
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: He's well known in the business, and he's going to

626
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: be talking to us about the legalities around celeb spulture.

627
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: Can I just specify that he's not your lawyer to

628
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: defend this podcast. He's been your lawyer to defend you

629
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: in a previous life. But he's around if anybody does

630
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, if any influence comes out of the woodwork

631
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: tries to sue us, is this like, are you trying

632
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: to threaten them that you know? Yeah, we know lawyers.

633
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to threaten anyone. We're just going to

634
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: have a great chat with him on Monday. We really

635
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: want to get to the bottom of whether influencers like

636
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: this is defamation if it actually is. Yeah, So you

637
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: can't wait for you to join us. And as we said,

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00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: if you do have time, this is a passion project

639
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: of ours and if you do enjoy the podcast, we

640
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: would love if you could leave us a review, preferably

641
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: a five star one. Please drown out some of the

642
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: negative reviews that the influencers, I mean, other people have

643
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Speaker 1: been leaving alms.

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Speaker 3: If you love our toilet Talk, maybe that's a reason

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Speaker 3: to give us five stars.

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Speaker 1: And could you also share it with a friend because

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Speaker 1: I suppose that's the only way it's going to grow

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Speaker 1: as well. Or share it on your Instant story and

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Speaker 1: tag us at outspoke an Underscore the Underscore Podcast, and

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Speaker 1: have a lovely weekend