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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: the fourteenth of August. I'm Sam Kazlowski.

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Speaker 3: I'm Zara Seidler.

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Speaker 2: It's been an emotional, overwhelming, magnificent a couple of weeks

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Speaker 2: of football, from lifelong fans like myself to people who

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Speaker 2: first time, Australia has backed the Matildas. But it's been

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Speaker 2: a long road to get to this point. From the

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Speaker 4: I wrote the letter to every player to say congratulations,

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Speaker 4: you've been selected to play in this team for this

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Speaker 2: To when the team started to get mass support.

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Speaker 5: You know, I had to actually explain what a Matilda

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Speaker 5: After we come back from China.

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Speaker 3: In today's deep Dive, we're gonna hear from people who

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Speaker 3: The first Sam tell us about Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Night Zara was quite simply one of the best nights

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Speaker 2: in a chaotic quarterfinal that led to twenty shots in

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Speaker 2: least four point one seven million Australians tuned in for

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Speaker 3: Disney Plus will begin a crackdown on password sharing, following

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Speaker 2: Anuberyt's bicycle delivery driver has died in Sydney after colliding

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Speaker 2: Australia has called for urgent reforms that protect delivery drivers

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Speaker 2: at work, which would include provisions for workers' compensation and

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Speaker 3: And the good news US scientists have discovered a new

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Speaker 2: This Women's World Cup will go down in Australian history.

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Speaker 2: That's regardless of who wins the title next weekend. There's

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Speaker 2: So I really wanted to go back and try and

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Speaker 2: The Women's World Cup didn't even exist before nineteen eighty

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Speaker 4: So we were one of twelve teams that were invited

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Speaker 2: And how was the team funded in those days?

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Speaker 6: They paid themselves.

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Speaker 4: I wrote the letter to every player to say, congratulations,

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Speaker 4: And you know that was just like, it's just a

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Speaker 4: We've got strong corporate support, we've got great government support,

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Speaker 4: I want us to carry on from where we are now,

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Speaker 2: If that exactly ample does not encapsulate the paradigm shift

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Speaker 2: what else I can Heather, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: Thank you go the Matildas. So Heather's been there right

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Speaker 5: I think people understand the significance of this moment. We've

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Speaker 2: this morning.

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been a stunningly long journey for the Matilda's

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Speaker 2: with the men's team, there's a link to an episode

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Speaker 2: we've done before in the show notes, and that's a

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Speaker 2: thanks for listening and for your ongoing support, and have

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Speaker 2: a great start to your week.