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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr the

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Speaker 2: Order Kerney Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before we

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Speaker 2: get started on She's on the Money podcast, I would

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Speaker 2: like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land of

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Speaker 2: which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country. Acknowledging

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Speaker 2: the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through.

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Speaker 2: As this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and

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Speaker 2: the storytelling of you to make a difference for today

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Speaker 2: and lasting impact for tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.

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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast

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Speaker 4: Millennials who Want Financial Freedom. My name is Jessica Ricky

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Speaker 4: and today, of course, as always, I'm joined by beck

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Speaker 4: Sayed because it is Friday and we're here to celebrate

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Speaker 4: you guys, the incredible She's on the Money community. Today,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be sharing some of my favorite money ins.

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Speaker 4: Becky's going to share some wonderful broke tips, and then

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Speaker 4: we'll be helping to answer a juicy money dilemma. This week,

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Speaker 4: it's all about what to do in a workplace that

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Speaker 4: promotes men over women hate. And then we're also going

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Speaker 4: to unpack something you slit into our DMS about and

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Speaker 4: this week we're chatting about what to do when you

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Speaker 4: discover your sister has and only fans.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's I'm really excited for those ones. I have

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Speaker 5: a lot of opinions already, but I'm going to hush, hush,

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Speaker 5: and today, Jess, you might notice we do have a

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Speaker 5: special guest in studio. Hannah Ferguson is the founder and

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Speaker 5: chief executive officer of Cheek Media. Co Welcome Hannah, tell

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Speaker 5: us a little bit about cheek Media.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me both of you.

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Speaker 6: I am so excited to be here. I feel like

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Speaker 6: I was just saying to you before. Both of you

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Speaker 6: are on my screen every day I'm watching the reels.

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Speaker 1: I'm addicted to that. When I was like so excited.

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Speaker 6: To be part of a real potentially to be in

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Speaker 6: the presence of the reels on my Instagram feed.

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Speaker 6: But Cheek Media is essentially a progressive feminist media platform

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Speaker 6: that commentates on all of the big issues in politics, media,

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Speaker 6: and also to things like sex and relationships. Just more

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Speaker 6: social and cultural commentary. I also have a podcast, which

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Speaker 6: is a news and pop culture podcast called Big Smalltalk,

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Speaker 6: which I co host with my co founder Sarah, and

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Speaker 6: then I also have a book called bite Back. So

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Speaker 6: that's kind of like how cheek the umbrella or works.

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Speaker 6: I have different few things going on once, and the

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Speaker 6: instagram is cheek media dot Co. So it's really just

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Speaker 6: like feminist, left wing opinion on the current news.

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Speaker 4: Of the day. It's one of my favorite Instagram accounts.

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Speaker 4: Like these guys do such a great job of keeping

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Speaker 4: up with current stuff but also having a really I

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Speaker 4: think relevant, still balanced take because there are a lot

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Speaker 4: of things. I think we'll speaking for everyone on our team.

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Speaker 4: Really we're all very much devoutly feminists, I suppose you

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Speaker 4: like you do a really good job sometimes of those

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Speaker 4: tougher conversations, all those tougher perspectives, and you know, sharing

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Speaker 4: a really fair and measured perspective.

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Speaker 6: That means a lot because it is stressful, and we

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Speaker 6: know what social media is like, it's reactionary and it

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Speaker 6: can be quite inflammatory. So it's kind of hard to

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Speaker 4: And always changing. And the internet is so hard. Everybody

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Speaker 4: feel like irritating someone these days, which is really challenging.

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Speaker 4: But you do a wonderful job at navigating it. Before

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Speaker 4: we get into it, though, have you had a busy week?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I've just recorded my podcast this morning. I've actually

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Speaker 6: I'm writing my second book right now, so it's really

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Speaker 6: tight deadline. There's lots happening. It's very exciting. I mean,

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Speaker 6: though it's been a really big few weeks, but I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm going, well, how about you both? Really good?

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Speaker 4: Can you give us the inside scoop on what the

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Speaker 1: I actually haven't talked about it, but I can. I

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Speaker 6: Basically, the second book is going to be more about

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Speaker 5: Well, that sounds amazing and I just feel like it's

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I hope so completely agree, Bexster.

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Speaker 4: How's your week been?

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Speaker 5: My week has been not bad. I don't want to

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Speaker 7: What about you?

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Speaker 4: Nothing crazy excited report. I feel like just plodding along.

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Speaker 4: I've started going to pilates, so in my polarates Princess era, wow,

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Speaker 5: Speaking of little wins. Jess, you have some money wins

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Speaker 4: Imagen who said this week, I finally hit my fifteen

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Speaker 6: But with the parking ticket, my property was listed as

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Speaker 6: And obviously I knew I could do it, Like I

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Speaker 5: join your local buy nothing group. I've gotten everything from

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Speaker 7: Do you happen to have a broke tip that you'd

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Speaker 6: Look, I'm not sure that mine's that original, but it's

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Speaker 6: But authors are still paid every time a book is

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Speaker 9: Hey, girls, I'm a chef in a mostly male kitchen

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Speaker 9: But I've just been overlooked for a promotion that would

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Speaker 7: Oh that's such a tough way. It's making me angry

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Speaker 4: Really no, definitely not, and it's hard. I think it's

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Speaker 4: Do you guys think I mean, my opinion really is, yeah,

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Speaker 5: It's so tough because really, like it is still a thing.

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Speaker 6: And I think one of the most common experiences, especially

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Speaker 6: But it's so hard when you're working, say in a

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Speaker 6: pretty much giving you the answer consciously or not, as

439
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Speaker 6: to what happened there, and you can take whatever information

440
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Speaker 6: you gathered and actually move forward that And I think

441
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Speaker 6: that can be really telling because then if they point

442
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Speaker 6: to specific things and you have your arguments of when

443
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Speaker 6: you started, what your qualifications are, and the distinction between

444
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Speaker 6: you and the person that was chosen over you, you

445
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Speaker 6: can then start to paying the clearer picture as to

446
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Speaker 6: what's happened, and whether that's that you want to make

447
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Speaker 6: a gender discrimination complaint about your workplace formally, whether you

448
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Speaker 6: want to look for work elsewhere. I think it's about

449
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Speaker 6: having the conversation in the first instance, to kind of

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Speaker 6: look at, Okay, what reasoning has been communicated to me,

451
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Speaker 6: and how do I feel about that reasoning before you

452
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Speaker 6: can make any further steps.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, really good point.

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, ask for the data. I say,

455
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Speaker 4: so to speak around, you know, having a conversation with

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Speaker 4: your manager or whoever was the hiring You know, I

457
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Speaker 4: saw that X y Z got this job. I also

458
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Speaker 4: applied for this job. Can you explain to me, you know,

459
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Speaker 4: what were the points of difference between us? And maybe

460
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Speaker 4: they say, oh, they've got this qualification or they've got

461
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Speaker 4: this skill, or they've done this or done that, and

462
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Speaker 4: then you can use that metric as a baseline to say, oh, well,

463
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Speaker 4: actually I have this, or I have that or I

464
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Speaker 4: did this instead. And as you were saying, it really

465
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Speaker 4: opens up firstly, the opportunity for conversation where you know,

466
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Speaker 4: if it is a situation where perhaps the deciding factor

467
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Speaker 4: wasn't gender biased, then you know, now you have an

468
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Speaker 4: understanding of what your clear markers or steps are to

469
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Speaker 4: receive that promotion opportunity next time it comes up. And

470
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Speaker 4: if that's not the case, if you know it is

471
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Speaker 4: leaning more towards the space that you are being discriminated against.

472
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Speaker 4: It gives you something concrete and solid to say, hey, like,

473
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Speaker 4: based on the facts, based on the statistics that we

474
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Speaker 4: can't argue with, this is the experience that I'm having,

475
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Speaker 4: And it allows you to have that conversation either with

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Speaker 4: your manager or as you were saying, with the appropriate

477
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Speaker 4: body to report them, be that fair work or somebody else,

478
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Speaker 4: in a way that isn't skewed by emotion, because I

479
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Speaker 4: think when we have these conversations around gender bias, it

480
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Speaker 4: tends to often be brought up, Oh, you're being emotional,

481
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Speaker 4: or women have a tendency to be emotional, you have

482
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Speaker 4: a tendency to take it a certain way. And I

483
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Speaker 4: think if we take the emotion out of it and

484
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Speaker 4: really just operate on solid facts, solid information, and wherever

485
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Speaker 4: possible document it in writing, so via email, via text,

486
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Speaker 4: because as Hannah was saying, a lot of the time

487
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Speaker 4: in these kinds of workplaces, someone's yelling something at someone

488
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Speaker 4: across the kitchen and it's not necessarily formally documented. Having

489
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Speaker 4: that concrete, in arguable evidence, so to speak, will help

490
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Speaker 4: you down the line, no matter what choice you want

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Speaker 4: to make in terms of how you pursue it, I think, yeah.

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Speaker 6: And also I was just going to add the one

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Speaker 6: thing I would recommend everyone's going to have a look

494
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Speaker 6: at is the Workplace Gender Equality Agency, which is the

495
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Speaker 6: government's agency that really looks into things like the gender

496
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Speaker 6: pay gap and gender discrimination laws in this country. And

497
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Speaker 6: it's not about saying need to pursue a formal complaint.

498
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Speaker 6: That's totally up to you. Gives you the tools and

499
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Speaker 6: the resources to know what your work post rights are

500
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Speaker 6: and how to pursue that line if you are interested

501
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Speaker 6: in it down the track.

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Speaker 4: And also just a lot of really interesting data and statistics,

503
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Speaker 4: Like we reference their data a lot in posts that

504
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Speaker 4: we do for Instagram and stuff, because they have a

505
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Speaker 4: lot of just really good information. It's coming from a

506
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Speaker 4: government body, so you know that it's solid, you know

507
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Speaker 4: that it's really holistic. And they have an Instagram. They

508
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Speaker 4: have very few followers, but I would definitely recommend checking

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Speaker 4: them out because they feature a lot of interesting stats

510
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Speaker 4: on there. It's WGE Agency is their Instagram. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I feel like that wraps that up in a nice

512
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Speaker 4: little bow. More than anything, I just want to say

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I think a lot of us can relate

514
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Speaker 4: to being in that situation where you feel like perhaps

515
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Speaker 4: you're in a male dominated space and you're not being

516
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Speaker 4: heard or honored in the way that you deserve to be,

517
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Speaker 4: and that just can impact like how you feel about

518
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Speaker 4: yourself as well. And I just want to say that

519
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Speaker 4: you're valid, and your your skill set and just you

520
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Speaker 4: as a human being is not based on the perception

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Speaker 4: that the people around you have in the workplace or

522
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Speaker 4: in anywhere other situation. Either. I'm sorry that that's happening

523
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Speaker 4: to you, and you one hundred percent deserve better. Don't

524
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Speaker 4: overlook or minimize that feeling.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely very well said.

526
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Speaker 4: Thank you. Should we change the tune ever so slightly

527
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Speaker 4: and take on this week's spicy DM?

528
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Speaker 2: Yes?

529
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Speaker 7: Please?

530
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Speaker 1: All right?

531
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Speaker 4: So we as always put a call out on Instagram

532
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Speaker 4: if you're not following us, it's at She's on the

533
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Speaker 4: money aus and we shared this DM that we received. Hey,

534
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 4: she's on the money. I have a DM for you.

535
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Speaker 4: My sister, who works in retail, has just disclose to

536
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Speaker 4: me that she makes most of her money on OnlyFans.

537
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Speaker 4: I want to straight up say that I have no

538
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Speaker 4: problem whatsoever with women making their way through the world. However,

539
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Speaker 4: they choose and good on her for making an income

540
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Speaker 4: through OnlyFans, and I do truly feel this, but she

541
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Speaker 4: is also my sister, and I feel worried for her

542
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Speaker 4: long term future and well being in doing this. She

543
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Speaker 4: has said that she's dropped her hours at her retail

544
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Speaker 4: job as she makes more money on OnlyFans, But I

545
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Speaker 4: don't think that she should be relying on this as

546
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Speaker 4: her primary form of income. Am I a bad feminist

547
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Speaker 4: for feeling concerned for her and not being one hundred

548
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 4: percent supportive? Can I voice my concern to her? There's

549
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 4: so many facets.

550
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Speaker 7: So many I was worried.

551
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Speaker 5: Actually, I was really worried when I first started hearing

552
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Speaker 5: this because I was like, you know how I feel

553
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 5: about only fans. I think it's absolutely fine for anyone

554
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 5: to do anything in any way they want. If all

555
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 5: parties are consenting, everyone's happy. Who actually cares?

556
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Speaker 7: You know what I mean?

557
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Speaker 5: Lately, we use our ears as an audio producer, We

558
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Speaker 5: use our mouths as an ouncers like we use.

559
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Speaker 7: I don't really get it.

560
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Speaker 5: I don't really get it, and it's been kind of

561
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Speaker 5: like explained me in many different ways, but I still

562
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 5: don't get why the only fans is an issue at all,

563
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Speaker 5: So I was kind of worried there for a second.

564
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Speaker 5: But I'm happy to see that she's not coming from it,

565
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Speaker 5: as you know, in any kind of bad way. But

566
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Speaker 5: i mean, what is bad, you know, what's the definition

567
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 5: of anything. But I think it's fair enough. It's valid

568
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 5: to think, like if this is a I suppose like

569
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Speaker 5: a career that is not really maybe going to take

570
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Speaker 5: her into her like you know, late years in life,

571
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Speaker 5: or maybe she's going to stop this eventually, and you

572
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Speaker 5: kind of just want her to focus on something that

573
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Speaker 5: will be a little bit more like long lasting, or

574
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Speaker 5: something she can fall back on just in case it

575
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Speaker 5: stops working out. That's a different story. And I really

576
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 5: that is a really tough one, Like how do you

577
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Speaker 5: even broach that subject? You know that sounds yeah, like

578
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Speaker 5: you're against what she's doing.

579
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Speaker 2: You know.

580
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough because it sounds like it's coming from

581
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Speaker 4: a good place. And as someone who has a corporate background,

582
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Speaker 4: I understand that, you know, digital footprint is something that's

583
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 4: very weird real and we all have to be conscious

584
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 4: of what we put on the Internet and the potential

585
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Speaker 4: implications for that. Do I personally believe that people should

586
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Speaker 4: be able to do whatever they want and that should

587
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 4: have no bearing on their career opportunities or how they

588
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 4: perceive publicly. Absolutely, but unfortunately that isn't the world that

589
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 4: we live in currently. And I guess I understand wanting

590
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Speaker 4: to make sure that she's aware that the choices that

591
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Speaker 4: she makes may have those implications. For example, industries like teaching,

592
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Speaker 4: I could see it potentially being something that could become

593
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Speaker 4: an issue, you know, because they have very strict rules around,

594
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 4: you know, what people can and can't do. Again, not

595
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 4: that I agree that that should be the case, but

596
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Speaker 4: I also do very much think you know, she's her

597
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 4: own human and she deserves her own autonomy, and if

598
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Speaker 4: it's something that she's happy and she's safe and she's

599
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Speaker 4: making money, as you were saying back, I think like

600
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Speaker 4: that is the most important thing. As for bringing it up,

601
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Speaker 4: it's a really tough conversation because I don't even now

602
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 4: us having this conversation. I'm struggling to convey how I

603
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 4: feel in a way that acknowledges what I feel to

604
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 4: be all of the relevant and important things, because part

605
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Speaker 4: of them like yeah, girl, get your bag, do what

606
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Speaker 4: you do, proud and happy for you, But the other

607
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Speaker 4: part of me wants to say, hey, but there are

608
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Speaker 4: these other things to consider. There are you know, The

609
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Speaker 4: reality is there may be implications.

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Speaker 1: You know.

611
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Speaker 4: I want you to be aware of that too, because

612
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Speaker 4: I don't want that to stop you from getting your

613
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Speaker 4: dream job down the track. And I don't know how

614
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Speaker 4: you could approach that. And there's I don't have a sister,

615
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Speaker 4: but I imagine that's a very challenging bond to navigate

616
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Speaker 4: in and of itself as well. So I don't really

617
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Speaker 4: know what the answer is. But Hannah, you look like

618
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Speaker 4: you definitely have something to say.

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Speaker 6: I find this really it's such a great question. It

620
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Speaker 6: is a bit spicy, and it is a bit complicated,

621
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Speaker 6: But I honestly feel that the fact that we're all

622
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Speaker 6: a bit like clearly like ooh, nervous to talk about

623
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Speaker 6: it speaks to what the real problem is.

624
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: And the problem is an only fans.

625
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Speaker 6: The problem is social expectation and judgment, right, And so

626
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 6: the problem is not and I think I would say

627
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Speaker 6: to this person, your concern and your like sort of

628
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 6: insecure feelings around this aren't actually steeped in a regressive

629
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 6: or conservative view that you hold. They're steeped in the

630
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 6: fact that you worry how other people will perceive your sister,

631
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 6: and so you're taking on the mental load of that

632
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Speaker 6: concern of judgment that society might hold for her and

633
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 6: what that means for her. That's coming from a good place,

634
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Speaker 6: But I think it's about considering how you then approach

635
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Speaker 6: that conversation because like as feminists, I say, absolutely get it.

636
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 6: What I would say the conversation would be from my

637
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Speaker 6: perspective is not saying, should you be doing OnlyFans no slay.

638
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 6: The conversation should be, hey, what is your long term

639
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 6: savings plan and what is your protective layer here in

640
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 6: case you were to struggle to find work afterwards, because

641
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 6: we know how society is. I think it's about approaching

642
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 6: it from the judgment perspective and saying, I'm with you,

643
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 6: but financially security wise, what is your plan? Because I

644
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 6: want to protect you from what other people might say

645
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 6: and think if you want to go into X Y

646
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 6: Z industry, because I would say that to myself and

647
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 6: my sister, like do you have you know, financial advice?

648
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 6: Do you have an accountant? Do you need help with

649
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 6: your actual financial management to make you feel secure in

650
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 6: your progressive awesome choices, because I would say it is

651
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Speaker 6: super impressive that you have the like fortitude to go

652
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Speaker 6: and do that and to make money from it, and

653
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 6: to be super impressive.

654
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: But think about it this way.

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Speaker 6: Politicians for a long time received a guaranteed pension after

656
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Speaker 6: retirement because there was a belief, and that belief was

657
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Speaker 6: quite true that after someone retired from politics they would

658
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Speaker 6: struggle to find a job because of things they'd said

659
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Speaker 6: and done in.

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Speaker 1: Their role that was very public. It's kind of the

661
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: same thing.

662
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Speaker 6: There is a risk associated and it's how you protect

663
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Speaker 6: someone from that risk. So it's not problematic to worry

664
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Speaker 6: because you're worrying about you want to protect your sister

665
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 6: from society or not judging her. And so as long

666
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 6: as you've asked yourself those questions about where your worry

667
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 6: is coming from, and as long as that's not judgment

668
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 6: from you, just work out what is your worry and

669
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Speaker 6: articulate that in a protective and considered way.

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Speaker 1: I think, because she's.

671
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Speaker 6: Doing well and as long as she can continue to

672
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Speaker 6: do well and prepare for the future, so be it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you've put it really eloquently there. I completely agree.

674
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Speaker 4: And the other thing that I would maybe suggest bringing

675
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 4: up or asking her about, is what she's doing with

676
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 4: her money right now, because she said that she's obviously

677
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: earning more than she was in her retail wage. And

678
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 4: we've had a few Only Fans creators on the podcast

679
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 4: before for Money Diaries, and if you haven't listened to

680
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 4: those episodes, you can find them by searching up she's

681
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 4: on the Money Only Fans. There's been some great ones,

682
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Speaker 4: But something that we've heard when talking to people is

683
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Speaker 4: that sometimes they go from earning not a lot they're

684
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 4: just earning an ordinary, solid wage, to earning in some cases,

685
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 4: crazy amounts of money that you could only dream of.

686
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 4: And when people it's kind of like winning the lottery,

687
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: like you're not always prepared or equipped for that situation,

688
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 4: and people historically have often gone, oh my god, I

689
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 4: have all this money that I didn't have before, and

690
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 4: they've blown it. Whereas it's a really good time for

691
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Speaker 4: her now, like you were saying, Hannah to be thinking

692
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Speaker 4: about her future. Should she be investing, should she be

693
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 4: putting money aside in savings? How is she putting the

694
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: extra money that she has now to work to support

695
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 4: her if she can't find employment or even if she

696
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: decides to keep doing only vans like whatever her future

697
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: looks like, I think not taking her newfound success and

698
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 4: letting that get away from her, because I think too

699
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Speaker 4: many times we've seen people who have had an opportunity

700
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 4: and not handled their money in perhaps the best way.

701
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 4: They've not had the right advisors or support around them,

702
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Speaker 4: and that has meant that that opportunity or that influx

703
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Speaker 4: of cash has kind of been rendered redundant. And we

704
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Speaker 4: don't want to see that happened to her either.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, what do the community have to say? Let me

706
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Speaker 7: tell you.

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Speaker 4: So we started off by asking have you ever been

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Speaker 4: concerned by your friend or family member's career choice? Fifty

709
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 4: nine percent of people said yes, which shocked me, and

710
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: forty one percent of people said no. Then we said,

711
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Speaker 4: if yes, did you voice this concern to them? Fifty

712
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: eight percent of people said no, it's not my place

713
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 4: to comment on it. Fifteen percent of people said yes

714
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 4: and it didn't go well, and twenty seven percent of

715
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 4: people said yes and we had a good chat about it.

716
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Speaker 4: So an overwhelming majority of people were concerned for something

717
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 4: that someone they loved was doing, but didn't bring it

718
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: up to that sure okay, which is crazy. And then

719
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Speaker 4: we said tell us your two cents, and it was

720
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 4: a really varied mix of responses, and I think people

721
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Speaker 4: coming from kind of the different perspectives that we've discussed here.

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00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 4: One person said, you're right to be concerned. Your sister

723
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 4: needs to have a backup plan for if her only

724
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: fans income dries up. Somebody else said, it's very hard

725
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: to earn good or consistent income from something like only fans.

726
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 4: Is she putting all of her eggs in one basket?

727
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 4: But somebody else said, make the money while she can,

728
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 4: and she can always go back to retail whenever she wants.

729
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 4: Somebody said, don't worry about other people's money and how

730
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Speaker 4: they make it. And I wanted to ask you guys

731
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 4: about this because it's a bit of a catch twenty two, right.

732
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 4: It's the feeling concerned for the people that we love

733
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: and wanting the best for them.

734
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Speaker 2: You know.

735
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Speaker 4: The sister obviously wants to just make sure that her

736
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 4: sister is doing well. Our listeners who have responded to

737
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: the pole have obviously seen some kind of red flag

738
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Speaker 4: in the choices that their friends or family are making.

739
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Speaker 4: But if you see something that's wrong and you don't

740
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 4: voice your concern. Is that doing the right thing because

741
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 4: it's not your place to have an opinion on what

742
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: somebody else is doing.

743
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 7: Or is it a little bit of.

744
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Speaker 4: A disservice to the person you love by not making

745
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Speaker 4: sure or helping them to chat about something.

746
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Speaker 6: I think that when we talk about money, it's one

747
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 6: of the biggest taboo subjects, right trust. So my thing is,

748
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 6: it's exactly what you were just saying. It's this really

749
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 6: kind of double standard, hypocritical thing. We're saying, Oh, we

750
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 6: shouldn't talk about it, but we're actually what of the

751
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 6: point of she using the money is to empower women

752
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 6: by having conversations that traditionally we weren't allowed to able

753
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 6: or feeling comfortable to have. What I would say the

754
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 6: difference is here, just from my consideration, then, is the

755
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 6: reason people don't approach the conversations because they think there's

756
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 6: judgment and they don't want to hurt the relationship.

757
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's why I think it comes back to

758
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: the how.

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Speaker 6: I think it comes back to sitting with yourself and saying,

760
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Speaker 6: where is my concern coming from? And is that fair

761
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 6: and justified concern? And how can I approach this in

762
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 6: the way that actually expresses the concern without conveying judgment. Yes,

763
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 6: because we shouldn't be silent on money because it's money.

764
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 6: That's just going back to that archaic way of thinking

765
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 6: that prevents women from earning more, asking for more pay,

766
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 6: asking for better conditions and more flexible working arrangements.

767
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Speaker 1: We need to converse.

768
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Speaker 6: It's about how is it in a respectful and comfortable,

769
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Speaker 6: secure way.

770
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Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, I completely agree with that. I was going

771
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 5: to say something very similar, but not as well articulated.

772
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Speaker 3: For sure.

773
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Speaker 6: I'm sure it's going to be.

774
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Speaker 7: Oh, pressures on, pressures on.

775
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 5: No, I was basically just going to say, like, you know,

776
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 5: as well as you said, Hannah, like trying to figure

777
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 5: out where the concern comes from. I think that if

778
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 5: you are in a position where you're kind of concerned

779
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 5: about someone's career choice or what they're doing, and you

780
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 5: want to voice your opinion, really just figuring out what's

781
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 5: the root of your concern, because if it's like I

782
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 5: don't like only fans, then that's you know, you're going

783
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 5: to have to start breaking down your own like way

784
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 5: of thinking and being like, where does that come from?

785
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 5: Is that my train of thought or is that society's

786
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 5: train of thought and where like is that even based

787
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 5: in anything?

788
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 4: Like?

789
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 7: Probably actually not.

790
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 5: But if it's actually, like you know, I don't know,

791
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 5: let's say your partner as a firefighter and you're scared

792
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 5: because that's actually really really dangerous kind of career, you know,

793
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 5: just trying to figure out the actual root of your

794
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 5: own thinking and asking why why why until you break

795
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 5: it all the way down and if you still have

796
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 5: solid reason to be concerned, then yes, exactly, like kind

797
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 5: of like approaching it in a way that's not judgmental,

798
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 5: in a way that's kind of like objective, in kind,

799
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 5: compassionate and yeah, so that's sorry, is the longest way

800
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 5: to answer your question.

801
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 4: No, I agree, And I think a really interesting point

802
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 4: that you've both brought up, and something that I would

803
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 4: like to just say very clearly is I think that

804
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 4: there is something very positive in critically looking at your

805
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 4: thought patterns and processes. And even if you come to

806
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 4: realize that something you are thinking or feeling is a

807
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 4: response to a societal standard that perhaps doesn't sit well

808
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 4: with your values, we need to remember that a lot

809
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 4: of things are so ingrained in us because it's what

810
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 4: we've seen and watched and learned from a really young age.

811
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Speaker 4: And to undo that train of thinking does take conscious effort.

812
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 4: And so even if your knee jerk response to this

813
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 4: as a listener was you know, well, she shouldn't be

814
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 4: doing only fans, maybe that was your immediate response, and

815
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: upon reflection, if you go, why was I thinking that?

816
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 4: Was it coming from a place of concern for her future?

817
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 4: Was it coming from a place of maybe I'm not

818
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 4: as positive of women in the sex industry? Looking at

819
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: why and how that is? I think, don't feel like

820
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 4: you're a bad person if you necessarily are repeating thought

821
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 4: patterns that you have been exposed to, because I think

822
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 4: we can all identify as feminists but still have things

823
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 4: that we need to work on and understand within ourselves.

824
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 4: It is actually speaking from my personal experience, like it

825
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 4: takes some work to undo those intrinsic thoughts and those

826
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: patterns and feelings. And that is something that is active,

827
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 4: and that comes from those reflections that you have in

828
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 4: your thoughts and your feelings and your responses, and sometimes

829
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 4: you don't even realize that they're there until you experience

830
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: something that brings it up and prompts that response from you,

831
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Speaker 4: and so I just want to say, if that is

832
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 4: the case, you don't feel like that makes you inherently

833
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: a bad person, Like reflection is a good thing. That's

834
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 4: what makes us grow. Totally, because I don't want to villainize.

835
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 4: I guess the idea of something that maybe you didn't

836
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 4: know that was there, If that makes any sense.

837
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

838
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 6: It really comes back to like a person's intention versus

839
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 6: their impact, because your intention could be to have like

840
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 6: a conversation that shows you care. But if you haven't

841
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 6: really thought about how you're going to do that and

842
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 6: what's at the root of your thoughts, your impact is

843
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 6: going to actually have a gap between intention and impact.

844
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 6: And you can't always control and it's not your job

845
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 6: to control your impact. But if someone comes back to

846
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 6: you and says it hurt you, it hurt them, or

847
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 6: it made them uncomfortable, that really is showing that gap.

848
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 6: So it's about sitting with it and considering it before

849
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 6: you actually land.

850
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, and as you said, having it in a

851
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: kind and considered way. And that seems to be really

852
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: reflective of the things that some people are saying. It

853
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 4: falls into t camp. Some people are expressing concern, some

854
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 4: people are saying it sounds like the sister does have

855
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: a problem with only fans, and you know, we only

856
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 4: have the information that was provided to us. But I

857
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 4: think the overarching outcome here and from a lot of

858
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 4: our listeners is as long as she's making considered choices

859
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 4: and is aware of the broader impacts, you know, let

860
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 4: her do what she wants, but it's not a bad

861
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 4: thing for her sister and our listener to have that conversation,

862
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 4: as long as it's done in a kind and compassionate way.

863
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 4: Absolutely amazing. Any last thoughts from anyone before we wrap up.

864
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: I think I'm really satisfied with that. That was a

865
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 4: really good one.

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Speaker 7: Hannah.

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Speaker 4: You are so articulate and wonderful. Thank you so much

868
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 4: for coming on and sharing your thoughts. You are the best,

869
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 4: Absolutely wonderful. Thank you.

870
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 6: I love you both.

871
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. It's been a privilege.

872
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 4: Come back anytime. And if people want to hear more

873
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 4: from yourself you said earlier, you're on the podcast, You're

874
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 4: on Instagram, there's another book on the way, there's one

875
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 4: already out which is wonderful. Anywhere else that people should

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Speaker 4: be looking to find you.

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Speaker 6: Those are the places I'm on TikTok and I have

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Speaker 6: each other, so if you find one, you pretty much

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Speaker 6: find it all.

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Speaker 1: So thank you again.

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Speaker 4: You're in the ecosystem, which is great, amazing. Well, thank

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Speaker 4: you so much for joining us everybody. We had a

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Speaker 4: wonderful time as always, and Victoria will see you bright

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Speaker 4: early on Monday for a money diary. Have a good weekend.

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