1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, The Influencer 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: witch Hunt over a stolen necklace, Tammy Hembro calls out 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: clout chasing x'es and Matt Sakowski's on air blunder for first. 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley has jetted off to Fiji without her baby 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: daddy Locki wore and their two kids are mid break 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: up rumors. So if the former Bi Brother contestant recently 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: said she was in relationship limbo, Yeah, things have been 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: really up and down for Sky and Locke. About two 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: weeks ago, in an Instagram live, she confirmed that the 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: couple had broken up, and that's after they have been 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: together for seven years. But she's since renegged on her 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: own podcast and said that they're actually on a break 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: and are eventually going to try and work things out. 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: It seems like maybe they need a bit of space 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: and time to think about things, and maybe that's why 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: Sky has put an ocean between herself and her problem. 19 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: I was surprised when I saw she was in Fiji, though, 20 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: because it was only this time last year that she 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: and Lockie went on this big family trip there. 22 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: Well, as soon as she started posting that she was 24 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: setting off for Fiji, a lot of her followers were 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: desperate to know if Lockie was there because it wasn't 26 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: quite clear initially, and she ended up sharing a Q 27 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: and a box and one follower asked, is LOCKI with 28 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: you in Fiji and she responded saying nope, I'm here 29 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: with my mum and my sister. Another follower wrote in 30 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: saying tell us about Locke Babe, and Ski ended up responding, 31 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: all in good time. My love's got some healing to do. 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: Don't worry. I will be open and honest with everything 33 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: or will be revealed. Just navigating everything the best I 34 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: can now. Another person asked will you sell the house 35 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: now once it's done, and Ski ended up saying she's 36 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: not sure yet and is taking every day as it comes. 37 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: So they are some pretty interesting questions to answer whilst 38 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: you are away. Well, when you're in the midst of 39 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: a public breakup and you put up a question and 40 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: answer box, you're basically inviting people to ask you about 41 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: your ex. Yeah, well, she knows is good for engagement. 42 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: And I also think that she is quite aware that 43 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: she doesn't want to look like she's holding back from 44 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: her audience because she's always been an influencer who's known 45 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: for being really transparent and having that connection with them. 46 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's quite clear that both her and Lockie 47 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on at the moment, and they're 48 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: just navigating it in real time with everyone else as 49 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: best they can. 50 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 3: So we just had. 51 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: An influencer steal from us. 52 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: A Sydney jewelry brand has ignited a witch hunt after 53 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: the owner claimed and influencer stole one of their necklaces. 54 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: It didn't take long for some of Australia's biggest Internet 55 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: stars to be dragged into the drama. Cake can you 56 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: tell us more? Well, it all started when Amy Bradley, 57 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: the co founder of Luna Ray, took to TikTok to 58 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: accuse an unnamed influencer of stealing a necklace. Now, the 59 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: necklace in question was described as being uniquely designed and 60 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: retailed for three hundred and sixty dollars. Interestingly, the alleged 61 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: theft didn't actually take place at their Northern Beaches boutique, 62 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: but instead online, so Amy claims The influencer purchased the 63 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: netlace via lunar Ray's Shopify online storefront, but several weeks 64 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: later requested a refund after claiming they never received the order. Now, 65 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: the owner says that she gave Shopify all of the 66 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: relevant details that they needed to prove that the influencer 67 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: got the delivery. However, the e commerce platform ended up 68 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: deliberating in the influencers favor and the influencer got her 69 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: money automatically refunded through Shopify. Therefore, the brand ended up 70 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: losing the netclace and the money. So Amy was very 71 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: unhappy with this outcome, and she ended up doing some 72 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: digging on TikTok and came across the influencer's account, and 73 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: it's there where she made a startling discovery. Let's take 74 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: a listen. 75 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 4: We kept looking into it and we found the customer 76 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 4: on TikTok and guess what she's got all over her 77 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 4: neck Our three hundred and sixty uniquely designed necklace. We 78 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 4: know it's our necklace, and she's wearing it in all 79 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 4: of her tiktoks. She is an influencer, she has been 80 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 4: on a reality show. 81 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 5: Who does that? 82 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: How brazen can you get to wear said necklace and 83 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: all of your TikTok videos like, how do you not 84 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: think that you're going to get caught out? 85 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? 86 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: And I think that's what Amy the owner was really 87 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: playing on, because she ended up showing an image of 88 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: the unique necklace and asked TikTok what they would do 89 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: in this situation, basically saying, let's see who can go 90 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: find the influencer wearing the necklace, and it didn't take 91 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: long for the comment section to be flooded with people 92 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: accusing influences of being the alleged thief. This of course 93 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: fed into TikTok's algorithm, and the video went viral. At 94 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: the time of recording, it's notched up two point eight 95 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: million views now. At midnight the following day, Amy provided 96 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: an update saying things had gotten out of control. Let's 97 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: take a listen to what she said. 98 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: People are getting really crap about it, and people are 99 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 2: like they want blood. It's really full on and I 100 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: very much appreciate the support of small brand, I really do, 101 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: but we can't tag influences that have nothing to do 102 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 2: with this, like none of these people are this person. 103 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 5: Now. 104 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: Amy went on to say that they won't be naming 105 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: and shaming the influencer, and the purpose of the video 106 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: was to get advice about what to do. She also 107 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: confirmed that they now have recorded all of the content 108 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: the influencer posted and have reported her to the police. 109 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe this. I don't think that they 110 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: were simply asking for advice. I think that they wanted 111 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: customers to go on a bit of a witch hunt 112 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: and track this person down. They're obviously very upset, and 113 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: rightly so, particularly because this is a small business. I 114 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: think things just got out of hand, though. 115 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: Well. 116 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: Amy did admit that she was feeling quite ragy when 117 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: she shared the TikTok, so I think it was all 118 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: driven on emotion. She wasn't really intending for this to 119 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: go viral, and I suppose it's almost backfired a bit 120 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of influencers who are now in 121 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: the firing line and won't potentially want to work with 122 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: this brand going forward. 123 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 3: Yeah. 124 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: Well, a day later, Amy posted another update on TikTok, 125 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: and this time she said that the brand was moderating 126 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: the comments on the original video and removing the name 127 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: of accused influencers, and she also shared that a business 128 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: had been implicated in the theft, as the necklace was 129 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: purchased on a company credit card. In terms of the 130 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: influencers who were dragged into the mess, the names included 131 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield, Ashley Day, Jessica Power, all Right Hay, and 132 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: Vanessa A. Morotti. And it was interesting to see this 133 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: unfold on other content creators tiktoks because originally Abby had 134 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: no idea what was going on, and she asked her 135 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: followers why she was being asked if she liked her 136 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: quote free necklace. When she realized what was happening, she 137 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: said she was shocked that people would accuse her of 138 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: criminal activity. Let's take a listen. 139 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 6: It's while the people will assume that I stole a necklace, 140 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 6: I committed a crime because they see an outspoken woman 141 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 6: like we see women not adhering to societal standards, and 142 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 6: people then go, it must be Abby Chatfield that committed 143 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 6: a crime, that stole from a small business, when if 144 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 6: you actually look at my politics, I'm all about supporting 145 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 6: small businesses. 146 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: I was surprised to see Abby's name being thrown into 147 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: the mix. This doesn't sound like anything she would be 148 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 1: involved in. Yeah, well, these false allegations have really capped 149 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: off a bad week for Abbi Chatfield because last week 150 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: she was ordered to pay seventy nine thousand dollars in 151 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: damages to her former best friend, Heath Kelly after a 152 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: court found she had to fame him. And I think 153 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: that's why Abby was so emotional about being accused of stealing, 154 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: because she said that she's never committed a crime in 155 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: her life. However, I'm assuming she's been receiving a lot 156 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: of messages about the defamation case and people seem to 157 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: not realize that was a civil matter, not a criminal one. 158 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what Abby said. 159 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 6: The accusations every single day about me make me genuinely 160 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 6: get to the verge of a nervous breakdown, Like I'm 161 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 6: so sick of being accused of things I did not do. 162 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 6: Every day I see a lie about myself on the internet, 163 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 6: and now these people who don't like me are now 164 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 6: was saying it must have been Abby Chatfield that committed 165 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 6: a crime. 166 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 3: When have I ever committed a crime? 167 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: When the news broke about Abby losing this deformation case, 168 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: the comment section on some of the news websites was 169 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: absolutely outrageous. I felt so sorry for her. You can 170 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: tell she's been really going through it. The absolute vitriol 171 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: throne at her is very alarming. Now, Matt Hay was 172 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: next to enter the chat about the necklace, so he 173 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: took the absolute piss out of the situation. He shared 174 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: this hilarious video where he said he was trying to 175 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: clear his name while he wore a dupe of the necklace. 176 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. 177 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: Hello everyone, I'm here to clear my name after the 178 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: recent allegations by the TikTok search bar said that I 179 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 3: was the influencer who stole from this small business. This 180 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 3: is the necklace that was allegedly sold. I have never 181 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: seen this necklace before. I actually have never seen a 182 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 3: necklace at all. I don't wear necklaces. 183 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: I love how he says. The allegations on the search 184 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: bar of tikta Classic. While most people got the joke, unfortunately, 185 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: there were some who missed it completely and they were like, 186 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: but you're wearing a necklace, so it's like, oh my god, 187 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: which led him to post another satirical video where he 188 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: put on the dupe necklace with the caption unfortunately, I 189 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: do love chargebacks. Now off the back of these videos, 190 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: Amy Bradley ended up sharing a final TikTok update on 191 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: the matter, and after days of speculation, she finally cleared 192 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: the names of the influencers dragged into the drama. Now okay. 193 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: She was close to tears in this video, and she 194 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: spoke about how mean people can be on TikTok and 195 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: that everyone wants to assume the worst in people. Let's 196 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: have a listen to what she said. 197 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 5: Abby Chatfield, Jessica Power, al right, hey, Vanessa Romito, everyone else, 198 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 5: everybody has named No, definitely not they haven't done it. 199 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 5: I mean, Abby's received so much hate. What is actually 200 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 5: what is wrong with people? 201 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 3: Like the fact that you. 202 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 5: Think it's okay to tag someone and say it's then 203 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 5: we never asked of this. I'm just a brand owner 204 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 5: giving an opinion on something shitty, and everyone has taken 205 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 5: it so far. 206 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: I found this whole debacle really interesting to look at 207 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: from a PR perspective, because there are so many brands 208 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: out there that want to go viral and get their 209 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: name out there. But this has been a very costly 210 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: move by Luna Ray and as the Internet does, it's 211 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: now turned on the brand and they've now been accused 212 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: of faking the story as a publicity stunt for their 213 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: sixth birthday sale, an allegation that the owners of Luna 214 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: Ray vehemently deny. The owner really didn't help herself though, 215 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: because during these TikTok updates she said, oh, you know, 216 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: we've been accused of that as a publicity stunt. That 217 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: is not the case. We didn't think that this video 218 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: would go viral, and we didn't have time for it 219 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: to go viral because we've been getting ready for our 220 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: sixth birthday sale. Now, I'm not saying that it was 221 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: a publicity stunt, but the fact that this whole viral 222 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: video has aligned with the sale doesn't look good. No. 223 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: I think a lot of consumers now are really aware 224 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: of these pr stunts, particularly since TBH has been pulling 225 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: them off so perfectly, and also with boof hair and 226 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: people want to spot a rat. They're like, yeah, so 227 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: doesn't add up about this, particularly when the brand seems 228 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: to be benefiting off the backlash of something. I mean, 229 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: this is a very different matter, though, because the brand 230 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: has been labeled negligent for leaving the comments open and 231 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: essentially creating a witch hunt. Because while they didn't name 232 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: the alleged theft. They basically invited people to speculate who 233 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: it was in the comments and they literally said this 234 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: influencer can be found on TikTok wearing this necklace and 235 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: showed a picture of the necklace actually like a red 236 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: flag to a bull. I think Amy maybe felt like 237 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: she was in a position where it would benefit her 238 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: business to phrase the video in this way, because generally 239 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 1: people do side with the small business owner. They see 240 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: it as a bit of a David verse to Goliath battle. Well, 241 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: that's originally what happened until this went absolutely viral, and 242 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: the approach that the brand uses a very common engagement 243 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: farming technique used by a lot of content creators. Unfortunately, though, 244 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: it appears that they didn't really think the strategy through 245 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: and they didn't have a PR crisis plan in place 246 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: if it was to go viral, and we're seeing the 247 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: repercussions of that because unfortunately, innocent people were wrongly accused 248 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: of committing a crime and the way TikTok works, there's 249 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: no context there and mud sticks and it has caused 250 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: reputational damage to a number of content creators and this 251 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: brand has now opened themselves up to legal issues with defamation. 252 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: I would be very careful if I was a small 253 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: business owner in the future going forth with any of 254 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: these influencer driven stories, because it kind of reminds me 255 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: of back in February twenty twenty four when Shelby Shapes 256 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: it was dubbed a mug gate. So basically, Sofa Dopher 257 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: posted about her strawberry mug. It was this two handed 258 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: sippy cup. Well, she slammed it for being ultra expensive. 259 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: It was one hundred and twenty five dollars for a cup, 260 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: and she said it wasn't actually marked properly and she 261 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: only knew once she got to the register how much 262 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: it was and she felt embarrassed to say anything. Yeah, 263 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: and she also poked fun at the fact that it 264 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: had two handles, but it ended up being part of 265 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: this disability range. But anyway, Sofa dofa came out swinging 266 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: and people started siding again with her, and it did 267 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: some damage to Shelby's brand. So you've got to really 268 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: be careful as a small business owner when you're going 269 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: to accuse people of certain things. I almost think if 270 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: you're not going to name and shame, then there's no 271 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: point of coming out and doing the video because they 272 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: would have been in their right to name and shame 273 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: over the necklace because they had proof. They have the 274 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: truth defense in terms of defamation, but leaving it open 275 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: and giving identifiable details away, eg it's an Australian influencer, 276 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: they've been on reality TV. That opens it up to 277 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: a relatively small portion of the population then can be defame. 278 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: So there's quite a number of people that could sue 279 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: this brand over it. I wonder what it's meant for 280 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: sales though, because if you're online and you want to 281 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: support this business, or you're like, oh wow, that necklace 282 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: is really nice, I'm going to check out that other stuff. 283 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: I wonder whether financially it's been a good decision for them. Yes, 284 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: maybe there's a lot of influencers who no longer want 285 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: to work with them now. But well, there were a 286 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: lot of comments people saying that I would never purchase 287 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: from this brand. I didn't know about it, and now 288 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: I definitely won't purchase because I don't like the tactics used. 289 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of people have been hurt over 290 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: a three hundred and sixty dollars. 291 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 7: Necklace, Like I feel like I can get easily fooled 292 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 7: by being loved unfortunately in the past. 293 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, of course. Tammy Hembro is back 294 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,239 Speaker 1: in the headlines following her first podcast appearance since announcing 295 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: her divorce from Matt Zakowski. The OG fitness influencer appeared 296 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: on the Mat About You podcasts, hosted by fellow influencers 297 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: Jardi Tunci and Locky Bricky. This time last week, Tammy 298 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: told her TikTok followers she was second guessing what she'd 299 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: divulged on air, Kay, do you think her concerns were 300 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: valid now after having a listen, I personally didn't think 301 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: the interview was at groundbreaking. I mean, there were definitely 302 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: a few interesting tidbits the mainstream media have run with. 303 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: I was kind of disappointed that she chose jar Day 304 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: and Lockie's podcast to go on, because it just felt 305 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: a little bit like an echo chamber where influencers were like, oh, 306 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: I feel so bad for you, and then they're like, yes, 307 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: I feel bad for you, and it's not really real 308 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: people problems. I feel like Lockie was trying to be 309 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: bad cop though I feel like obviously jar Day assumed 310 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: the position of good cop, where she was feeling very 311 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: sad and sorry for Tammy, but Lockie was sort of 312 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: asking the questions that we all wanted asked. I appreciated 313 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: Lockie pushing the agenda, and I do think that that 314 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: was a strategic move from both of them. When they 315 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: were interviewing Tammy, you got the feeling though that they 316 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: had been asked not to touch on specific things, but 317 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: we're trying to work out a way around it. Yeah, 318 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: it felt like Lockie was pushing the boundaries as far 319 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: as he could possibly go. Now in terms of the 320 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: one of the big stories that the mainstream media have 321 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: picked up on to do with Bailey Smith. Of course, 322 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: now I'm interested sofe to hear your thoughts on this 323 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: story that the media have picked up and run with. 324 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: Off the back of the interview, so Tammy spoke about 325 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: how she's never really dated but recently went on a 326 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: date with a guy who was quote just so boring, 327 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: and the traditional media have now run with headlines that 328 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: this was a very thinly veiled swipe at Bailey Smith, 329 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: who Tammy recently dated. For context, this is what she 330 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: said on the podcast. 331 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 7: I haven't been on many dates until recently, really, so 332 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 7: I never really dated. I just like, yeah, I sort 333 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 7: of just like met someone and like, you know that 334 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 7: was that was so, But I did I did go 335 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 7: on a date with a guy. 336 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: Oh no, he's probably not because it's literally. 337 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 7: Like the only guy I went on a date with, well, 338 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 7: he was just so boring, like and I think. 339 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 8: Good banter online like if you and then you met 340 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 8: him personally, we didn't. 341 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: Really. 342 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 7: I'm very much in like if someone if I speak 343 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 7: to someone online or meet them online, I want to 344 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 7: like meet them face to face. 345 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like I'm. 346 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 7: Not really like a text or like anything like that, 347 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 7: Like if you're trying to talk to me, I'm like 348 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 7: we need to like I need to meet you face 349 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 7: to face. So we went on a date and it 350 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 7: was just like I was just so bored. 351 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: I never, for one second even considered that she was 352 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: talking about Bailey Smith. I just thought she was talking 353 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: about a past date that she's been on, maybe with 354 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: an older guy, because Bailey Smith everything we see about 355 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: him in the media, this guy isn't boring. He's out there. Also, 356 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: because it said date like singular, like she went on 357 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: multiple dates with Bailey Smith, I actually got the vibe 358 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: that she and Bailey Smith are still a thing because 359 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: at the start of the interview, jar Day was like, 360 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, we want to set the record straight. Are 361 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: you single, and she's like she kind of looked at 362 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: it flushed and was like, oh, you know, I'm dating well. 363 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: During the interview, Lockie also touched on the recent publicity 364 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: around Tammy's recent dating advent, and they were clearly referring 365 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: to Bailey Smith, and she did make it sound as 366 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: though it was still something that was continuing on in 367 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: the background, maybe just something that wasn't serious though. Yeah, 368 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: I think that considering Tammy has now partnered with Tinder, 369 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: she's trying to put it out there that she's dating 370 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: multiple people and having a lot of fun because that's 371 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: the feature on the app talking about crushes and Tinder 372 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: being this fun place for casual dating. So she's got 373 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: to be careful with what she says from a branding 374 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: perspective as well. I found it interesting that Matt Zakowski's 375 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: name was never used or uttered during this interview. I 376 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: mean they did say your divorce. It's funny though, because 377 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: we are going to be touching on a podcast interview 378 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,239 Speaker 1: that Matt Szakowski also did recently. It's like they're just 379 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: not allowed to mention each other's names. But that's sort 380 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: of a typical thing people do with high profile breakups 381 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: because everyone knows who they're talking about anyway, and you 382 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: don't want to be that ex that always is mentioning 383 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: that person's name and dropping it. Yeah, I get it. 384 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: It's just kind of funny though, the way it's sort 385 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: of like, oh, he must not be named well as suspected. 386 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: Tammy did divulge a bit more about the reasons behind 387 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 1: her marriage breakdown. When asked if she was ever worried 388 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: people dated her for clout or access to her platform 389 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: of twenty million followers, she said this, I'm. 390 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 8: More asking like, are you ever fearful that perhaps someone 391 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 8: is like dating you for clout or like access to 392 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 8: your platform? And because I'm sure there's horrible people that would. 393 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: Do that, I feel like people have done that. 394 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 8: How do you guard against that? 395 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: Though? 396 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 8: Like moving to you you know, like, how do you 397 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 8: vet someone for that sort of thing? 398 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 7: I feel like going forward, I'm just gonna ask, like 399 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 7: my sisters, because I guy, yeah, because I feel like. 400 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: They're usually pretty spot on, So I'm just gonna, you. 401 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 8: Know, how would they vet them? 402 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, like, how do they know? How have they said 403 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: things to you in the past about people who turned 404 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: out to be Yeah, they have. 405 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 7: So I just feel like maybe they just see things 406 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 7: that I don't when I'm like, you know, got my 407 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 7: heart eyes on, So I feel like I just get 408 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 7: a bit like loopy and start falling from someone, and 409 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 7: then they see things that I maybe don't see. 410 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: It cracked me up because jar Day went on to say, Oh, 411 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: that would be really uncomfortable for a sister to say, 412 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: and Tammy was like, Nah, they're brutal. It just reminded 413 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: me of our relationship. Yeah, I was like, oh no, 414 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: this is exactly how sisters would carry on. Jardey does 415 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: have a sister, though maybe they're a lot kinder to 416 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: each other. There's some boundaries up there. 417 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 5: Well. 418 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, as you touched on. So Tammy didn't outright name Matt, 419 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: but it seems fairly obvious that she was talking about 420 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: him because it was public knowledge that her sisters had 421 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: a problem with him. I mean, he aired their grievances 422 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: on his own podcast, and during that same conversation with 423 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: Lockie and jar Day, Tammy also made a dig about 424 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: fooling easily to love bombing, it was pretty clear who 425 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: she was talking about. It also seems like money was 426 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: a big divider between not only her and Matt, but 427 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: her and her other past relationships, because she was asked 428 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: if men were intimidated by her success, and she said 429 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: that it's actually been one of the biggest issues in 430 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: her past relationships. I was fascinated when she spoke about 431 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: this because it's something I've never heard her speak about. Again, 432 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of like how you said, influencers and public 433 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: figures don't want to mention their ex's by name. A 434 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: lot of influencers also don't want to talk about how 435 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: much money they make. It's a bit taboo to say, oh, yeah, 436 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: I'm actually a multimillionaire. I mean, Tammy is worth fifty 437 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: million dollars or She did admit that it created this 438 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: power imbalance and as a result, she would try and 439 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: make herself smaller, but it just didn't work. Lockie ended 440 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: up asking Tammy flat out if it was down to money, 441 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: and she said this, Yeah, it's definitely a money thing. 442 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 7: And like people say, like, oh, no, it doesn't matter, 443 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 7: but then it shows up in so many ways and 444 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 7: so many things, and yeah, it's definitely. It's definitely been 445 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 7: a difficult thing to navigate in all of my relationships. 446 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: Sure, I mean it would be incredibly difficult for all involved. 447 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: I mean when you consider that Tammy is reportedly worth 448 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars while Matt Szakowski works a nine to 449 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: five and was living with his mum when he first 450 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: met her, Like that is a huge difference in your lifestyles. 451 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: Matt also admitted in a recent podcast, which should be 452 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: going to touch on in a second, that he wasn't 453 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: actually working when he was living with Tammy. I suppose 454 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 1: that's because the job that he does is for his 455 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: dad's pool business, which was based in Melbourne, So he 456 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: essentially left that job to shack up with Tammy. Well, 457 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: you say not working, but he had his podcast and influencing, 458 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: so I suppose he was doing that on the side. Well, 459 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: he described it as not working and he found that 460 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: really difficult. He found himself getting more depressed because he 461 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: didn't have much meaning in his life. I did love 462 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: when they asked Tammy if she pays on a first date, 463 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: and despite being a multimillionaire, she says definitely not. And 464 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: that's something that she really stands by. Yeah, I kind 465 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: of respect that it looks like we might be seeing 466 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: Tammy on our TV screens soon, because The Herald's son 467 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: has reported that Tammy's name was floating around the Channel 468 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: nine upfronts on Wednesday. I was thinking, oh, Channel nine, 469 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: maybe Love Island, Like how epic that would be, And 470 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: it would be a bit of a fuck you to 471 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: Matsakowski because he originally found fame on that show. She's 472 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: too Big for Love Island. Yeah, but it's not. It 473 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: is a weird celebrity show called Shark and the show 474 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: was filmed in the Bahamas and they basically get a 475 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: bunch of celebrities and make them do these tests with 476 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: close encounters with sharks. Like it's so Ramdom. I remember 477 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: when she was still with Matt and they went to 478 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: Port Lincoln to do cage diving with sharks. She's already 479 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: had some experience with it. Why can't they just do 480 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: the original idea of doing a reality show about the 481 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: Hembrose life, similar to the Kardashians. Remember they were filming 482 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: a promo for it, but we never ended up seeing. Yeah, 483 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: that was years ago, but recently they reignited rumors that 484 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: they could get their own reality TV show up and running. 485 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: During some interviews for their supplement brand, maybe they're testing 486 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: the waters with Channel and nine on this reality show 487 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: and see how the public like Tammy and then go 488 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: for the full family. What about her and the Bachelor? Oh, 489 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: I mean the Golden Bachelor airs tonight. I think getting 490 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: Tammy on as the Bachelorette would be the way to 491 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: reignite that program again. That would be so good. It's 492 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: interesting though, because it was only a couple of weeks 493 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: ago that Tammy was talking about doing her diver medical 494 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: ahead of enrolling in a scuba diving course, So that 495 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: all makes sense, doesn't it. She also hinted at her 496 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: reality TV debut on her TikTok last week, so during 497 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: a get Ready with Me video before White Fox Boutique's 498 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: birthday party, she told her followers she had something coming 499 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: up that was wildly out of her comfort zone, and 500 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: she said it was going to be really fun and 501 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: she was all about adding to her life experiences. So 502 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: it seems like it's definitely happening. 503 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 9: You guys are probably thinking, how can this guy be 504 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 9: so good looking and funny? And where you're about to find. 505 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: Out Matt Tzakowski made a hilarious blendor whilst appearing on 506 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: the On It, Off It podcast now. This show is 507 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: hosted by fitness influencer Louis Phillips and stand up comedian 508 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: Fergus Neil and the boys were chatting to Matt about 509 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: his Love Island days and he said that he thinks 510 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: some of the viewers took him the wrong way because 511 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: he has a very dry sense of humor, and he 512 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: actually revealed that he'd love to get into stand up 513 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: comedy now. Matt then attempted to deliver a joke that 514 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: he planned to kick off his future shows with, but 515 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: it was this unintentional slip up that garnered more laughs. 516 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: Let's have a listen. 517 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 9: I heard that at start you need to defecate yourself 518 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 9: to connect with the audience. Something opening. 519 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 5: You don't mean. 520 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 9: Defecate, you. 521 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 3: Would be hilarious. 522 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: That's the rule of stand comedy. You looked at me. 523 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: I said that. 524 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 9: I was like, Nah, you're not being told that by comediate. 525 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: I know that's really I've actually got to deficate yourself. 526 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 9: What's the world the defamation? 527 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 7: That's the word. 528 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 9: It's the listeners screaming us the word no no, you 529 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 9: put yourself down. 530 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: Yes, you put yourself down. 531 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 532 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 9: So I was going to have an opening line of like, 533 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 9: you guys are probably thinking, how can this guy be 534 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 9: so good looking and funny? Where you're about to find 535 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 9: it and then ship yourself. 536 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: Like, what's the word? 537 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 7: Yeah? 538 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: Oh man, he just has golden retriever energy, doesn't. He 539 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: comes across as a bit of a himbo, but there's 540 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: something endearing about it. 541 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 542 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: I thought that this was part of the bit he 543 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: was doing, but then I quickly realized that he genuinely 544 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: thought that he was using the right word. It was 545 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: so funny because the other guys were just pissing themselves laughing, 546 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: and I think that they thought that it was part 547 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: of the joke as well, and then they were like, oh, no, 548 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: he's serious here. I mean, I could tell this was 549 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: genuine because I listened to his podcast regularly and there 550 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: are quite a number of times where he and Anna 551 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: will confuse a word or are saying. I remember he said, oh, 552 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: bob's your auntie, It's Bob. Were you one of the 553 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: listeners who was literally sitting there screaming it's self deprecate. Oh, 554 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: Because they were like all of them couldn't get the word. 555 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: They're like, what is that word? I actually think though, 556 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: that matt could be a really great comedian without even trying. 557 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: But I just like laugh when I hear him speak. 558 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: As you said, he does have that goal and retrieve 559 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: it energy. I wonder if Matt ends up going down 560 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: the stand up comedy route, if he'll use his wrestling 561 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: alias Charlie Matthews as a bit of a character, because 562 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: they did speak in this interview about his wrestling days, 563 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: and for those who don't remember, he plays the role 564 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: of the man who won the genetic lottery. So I 565 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: feel like, even with him saying that, his initial joke 566 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: would be him joking about how good looking he is, 567 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: I feel like he's kind of playing that sort of character, 568 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: playing into that alter ego. See. I think instead of 569 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: going down the comedy route, he could get a job 570 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: on say Home and Away, like playing into these characters, 571 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: like you don't have to be very good acting to 572 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: be on that show. No shade at the actors that 573 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: are on, but you know when they get reminded Robbie 574 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: was on Neighbors. Oh there's some great people on there, 575 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: but often when there's a reality star of someone with 576 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: the public profile that gets a role on that show. 577 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: They're not that great. Some people just have to be hot, 578 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: don't they. Now it's quite interesting because the podcast hosts 579 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: and Matt are actually under the same management, and I 580 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: think that that's how he ended up appearing on this show. 581 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: And you can tell that the boys have been instructed 582 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: not to directly ask about Tammy. Instead, they seem to 583 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: really tiptoe around it, and they posed a lot of 584 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: questions about how Matt is enjoying life now and how 585 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: he's managed to pull himself out of this dark place. 586 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: And Matt was very keen to reiterate just how good 587 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: life is now that he's no longer with Tammy. Let's 588 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: have a listen to what he said. 589 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 9: Life's so good and I'm realizing that every day. You know, 590 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 9: it's so fucking good, and just like living it and 591 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 9: loving it so much? 592 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: What are the parts of it to make it good? 593 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 9: Everything? Honestly waking up And I know this sounds so cliche, 594 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 9: but like, seriously, like I'm so happy with life at 595 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 9: the moment. Come from where I was and how down 596 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 9: and in the dumps and hating life I was. I'm 597 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 9: just so grateful for it now, man, And I'm excited. 598 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 9: I'm really excited for what's coming. I was in fight 599 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 9: or flight literally every single day, and I wake up 600 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 9: now and I'm just at peace, and I'm fucking loving it, man, 601 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 9: like I'm loving it so much. Like I guess to 602 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 9: make decisions to myself, I actually worry about Matt sekowskiin here, 603 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 9: about him and what he's doing with his day, and 604 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 9: how I make myself happy and how I not people 605 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 9: around me sort of thing, do you know what I mean? 606 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: I love the way he referred to himself in third person. 607 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: I've got to worry about what Matt Zakowski wants, you know, 608 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: when someone oversells something like, I genuinely hope he is 609 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: feeling as happy as he explained, but it was almost 610 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: a bit too much that you're trying to prove something. 611 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: I actually think he is genuinely feeling that way and 612 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: that there's a big weight that's been lifted off his shoulders. 613 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: He also spoke about when he was at his lowest point, 614 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: and he said he wasn't training hard at the gym, 615 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: he was letting himself go by eating shit, and he 616 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: wasn't working as we touched on earlier, which made him 617 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: feel like he wasn't achieving much, and he said that 618 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: now he's back in a good place. He's journaling, he's 619 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: hitting the gym. He also joked that people would pay 620 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: big money for his journal, and his friends actually warned 621 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: him not to leave it in his car because they 622 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: thought maybe someone would break into it and steal it 623 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: and potentially sell it to the tabloids for a lot 624 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: of money. So I would have a read of this journal. 625 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we've spoken on the podcast about how Matt 626 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: has tried to get back into reading, and it was 627 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: quite sweet. He's been reading Goosebump novels. I wonder if 628 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: he'd ever work with a ghost writer to put his 629 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: story out there. Are we thinking that potentially, once all 630 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: the papers are signed and the divorce is settled, that 631 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: more might come out, Like would he release a book? 632 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: Because the facult he is journaling makes me think that 633 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: there's something he wants to do with it in the end, 634 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: and he's trying to document what's happened. I mean, I 635 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: think he is journaling for his own mental health, But 636 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: I mean I would love to read a tell all, 637 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: or at least listen to an audiobook of a tell 638 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: all by him, It would be very fascinating. Matt also 639 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: admitted during this interview that in recent months he's been 640 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: receiving a lot of apologies. Let's have a listen. 641 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 9: I've had a lot of apologies in the last months. Yeah, 642 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,479 Speaker 9: lots of apologies. People message me saying sorry that like 643 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 9: I said this and commented this, I got a lot 644 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 9: of that. But I what you're saying about your friends 645 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 9: and family going through tough times, knowing that they knew 646 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 9: truth and they knew stuff really got me through it 647 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 9: as well. Because the end of the day, that's all 648 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 9: that matters. So you need that's all you need. If 649 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 9: you people know the truth and like that you care 650 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 9: about and that's what matters. 651 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: Oh so these are random people on the internet that 652 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: are messaging him saying sorry, I got the completely wrong 653 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: impression of you. Well yeah, and I think that since 654 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: that there's been a bit more bad publicity out about Tammy. 655 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: They're also saying, oh, I can see where you were 656 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: coming from. It is interesting that he also referenced that 657 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: his friends and family know the truth about what happened, 658 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: because he's kind of putting out there that there's a 659 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: lot more that has gone on behind the scenes, and 660 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: people shouldn't be following maybe the line that Tammy seems 661 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: to be tolling at the moment. I mean, it makes 662 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: sense because at the moment, they're both pushing these agendas 663 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: that they're the victims in the situation and it's the 664 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: other person that caused all of the problems. He was 665 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: really trying to act like he's been the bigger person 666 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: because he told this story about how when two people 667 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: are going at it, the only people who win other 668 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: media and people consuming the content, and he said that 669 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: he had the mentality from the start, and presumably told 670 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: Tammy this that they shouldn't throw sit at each other 671 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: because no one is going to win out of it. 672 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, that is definitely true. We also need 673 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: to remember that they're still going through all of the 674 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: legalities involved in a divorce, and I suppose no one 675 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 1: really wants to go slam the other one publicly and 676 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: ruin their chances of ending this marriage amicably. Well, last 677 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: week we reported that Matt was spotted with a new girl, 678 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: and it was a normy Adelaide girl by the name 679 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: of Emily Lawson. I just a feel offended for anyone 680 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: called it. Normy. Well, I'm saying she's not famous, is she? 681 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: I mean, she has maybe like six thousand followers on Instagram. Again, 682 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm sort of uncomfortable with the term famous. But you 683 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: mean she's not a public figure. She's not a public figure. No, 684 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: and yeah, and he appeared to travel to Adelaide to 685 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: go on a date with her. However, during this podcast interview, 686 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: he said he wasn't looking for anything serious anytime soon. 687 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: He admitted, though, that he has been chatting to girls. 688 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: He said that the dating world seems new now and 689 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: he had no idea that people sent voice notes all 690 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: of the time. I think what he's more finding is 691 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: that that's what happens when you date younger jen Zed girls. 692 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: That like a fucking nightmare. I mean, it was bad 693 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: enough back in the day when you have to construct 694 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: a text message back, at least you could get everyone 695 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: to help you. But imagine having to, you know, plan 696 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: this voice message and you're having to think about the 697 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: tone of your voice, how long it is, what you 698 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: say re recording. It is kind of reminds me on Seinfeld, 699 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: when George Costanzo would gear himself up to leave the 700 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: voice message on the answering machine, do you reckon? People 701 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: are writing full blown scripts to read off and try 702 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: and go down a bit casual. I find that a 703 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: lot of my younger friends will send voice messages and 704 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: I always respond just with a written message. It's just 705 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: weird to think that gen Zed is a so against 706 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: talking on the phone, but they then want to have 707 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: this like pre recorded conversation. It's like, Okay, I'm gonna 708 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: say my bit and then send it off, and then 709 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: you say you'll be like, wouldn't it just be easy 710 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: to pick up the phone and have a chat if 711 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: that's what you're doing. Yeah, but then you can listen 712 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 1: to it at a time that suits you. I actually 713 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: love listening to them from friends. I feel like it's 714 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: a really great way to bring a conversation or a 715 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: situation to life. I just don't feel like I'm good 716 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: at them, which people might find ironic considering we do 717 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: sit on a podcast and we got ourselves. I just 718 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: find it self indulgent because it's like I've then got 719 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: to go through and almost take notes on what you've 720 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: said to remember to respond to those. It does get tough, 721 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: but I suppose it's easier than writing a full slab. 722 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: I think people do it for the ease anyway. That aside, 723 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: their podcast host also ended up asking Matt if he 724 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 1: was nervous about going on dates now that he's well 725 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: known and that some women might be after him for clout, 726 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: which is quite funny off the back of what Tammy said, 727 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: and Matt said he realized that he's never going to 728 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,919 Speaker 1: change anyone's perception of him, and he also thinks he'd 729 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: be able to pick up on whether someone was dating 730 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: him for the wrong reasons, which is quite interesting when 731 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: you consider the fact that Emily Laws and the Adelaide 732 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: Girl straight away shared a selfie with him. Well, we 733 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: don't know at what stage of their relationship they're at. 734 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: Surely she would have had to ask his permission to 735 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: do that. But I do think he's found himself in 736 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: a situation where people are now more interested in who 737 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: he's dating off the back of dating Tammy, and there 738 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: will be people using him and it's sort of funny 739 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: that he's been accused of doing that himself. So maybe 740 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: he does know the signs to look out for might 741 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: echo his own behavior. Yeah, well, I think that is 742 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: all we have time for today. 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