1 00:00:09,685 --> 00:00:12,205 Speaker 1: I Heeart podcasts. You can hear more gold one I 2 00:00:12,285 --> 00:00:15,645 Speaker 1: four point three podcasts, playlist and listen live on the 3 00:00:15,685 --> 00:00:17,005 Speaker 1: free iHeart app. 4 00:00:18,165 --> 00:00:19,084 Speaker 2: Got anything good? 5 00:00:19,685 --> 00:00:28,445 Speaker 1: Hey, this is the Christian O'Connell show podcast. I hadn't 6 00:00:28,485 --> 00:00:31,725 Speaker 1: heard of the legend right of Pilger Forest Alix Cunnins 7 00:00:31,845 --> 00:00:33,805 Speaker 1: is obviously near where you grew up. You were telling 8 00:00:33,885 --> 00:00:35,764 Speaker 1: us about it, and then Ria has a quick look 9 00:00:35,805 --> 00:00:38,445 Speaker 1: online during the News and Sport with you guys and said, 10 00:00:38,445 --> 00:00:40,324 Speaker 1: oh my god, Christian, this is actually supposed to be 11 00:00:40,565 --> 00:00:45,724 Speaker 1: the most haunted forest in this great Southern ad in Australia. Terrifying. 12 00:00:45,765 --> 00:00:47,885 Speaker 3: You would never ever drive through there at night. So 13 00:00:47,964 --> 00:00:50,485 Speaker 3: we grew up, like you know, ten twenty k's from it. 14 00:00:50,964 --> 00:00:53,725 Speaker 3: And apparently my dad reckons he drove through there once 15 00:00:53,765 --> 00:00:54,725 Speaker 3: and broke down. 16 00:00:54,845 --> 00:00:56,605 Speaker 4: And saw the pillager yowie. 17 00:00:56,605 --> 00:01:01,005 Speaker 1: He reckons the yowie like a kind of like Australian 18 00:01:01,005 --> 00:01:02,285 Speaker 1: sasquatch yetie. 19 00:01:02,325 --> 00:01:05,485 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly right, Bigfoot Australian's version of Bigfoot. And it 20 00:01:05,525 --> 00:01:08,045 Speaker 3: was like truckies never drove through there at night. It 21 00:01:08,125 --> 00:01:10,884 Speaker 3: was just the is this this rule? You never drove 22 00:01:10,885 --> 00:01:13,485 Speaker 3: through there at night? Because it's genuinely terrifying. It is 23 00:01:13,685 --> 00:01:16,685 Speaker 3: thick forest. It used to be a million wild acres 24 00:01:17,325 --> 00:01:18,485 Speaker 3: until European settlement. 25 00:01:18,605 --> 00:01:20,365 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so about half of that's disappeared. 26 00:01:20,365 --> 00:01:23,485 Speaker 3: But there's so much more there, and it's so scary 27 00:01:23,525 --> 00:01:24,845 Speaker 3: you don't want to walk through there. 28 00:01:26,405 --> 00:01:28,525 Speaker 1: First because there's so many trees becomes there's no light 29 00:01:28,565 --> 00:01:29,765 Speaker 1: that comes. So it's a density. 30 00:01:29,805 --> 00:01:32,205 Speaker 4: It's the density, absolutely like it's so. 31 00:01:32,445 --> 00:01:37,805 Speaker 1: Thick slip Dusty, Well, he sounds pretty light about it. 32 00:01:37,965 --> 00:01:41,245 Speaker 1: He ain't scared. They said, slim, you were doing gig 33 00:01:41,245 --> 00:01:43,485 Speaker 1: there at nighttime. See how brave you feel about it? 34 00:01:43,525 --> 00:01:45,525 Speaker 4: Then Dusty must have been drinking any time. 35 00:01:45,525 --> 00:01:50,045 Speaker 3: But no, it's it's awful and I'm so happy to 36 00:01:50,045 --> 00:01:51,485 Speaker 3: be talking about it because I. 37 00:01:51,445 --> 00:01:53,485 Speaker 4: Didn't know it was sort of so renowned. 38 00:01:53,845 --> 00:01:57,765 Speaker 1: Yeah, participationd what have you found about Pillica Forest? 39 00:01:58,165 --> 00:02:00,885 Speaker 2: There is so much about it. So he's right. 40 00:02:01,125 --> 00:02:03,165 Speaker 1: The trucks his name is Alex by the way, now 41 00:02:03,205 --> 00:02:05,005 Speaker 1: he's new, but this is week six Raleigh County. You 42 00:02:05,005 --> 00:02:05,725 Speaker 1: can't get calling him. 43 00:02:05,845 --> 00:02:07,485 Speaker 4: He Alex is right. 44 00:02:07,645 --> 00:02:11,005 Speaker 2: They say that truckies avoid it completely, but if they 45 00:02:11,044 --> 00:02:14,245 Speaker 2: are driving through that, they never stop because they why 46 00:02:14,245 --> 00:02:15,085 Speaker 2: would you stop. 47 00:02:14,805 --> 00:02:15,725 Speaker 1: In a big ass forest? 48 00:02:15,764 --> 00:02:18,085 Speaker 2: Anyway, just in case something happens. 49 00:02:19,085 --> 00:02:23,845 Speaker 1: Yeah, just keep driving. Strangers are scared of a forest. 50 00:02:25,045 --> 00:02:27,565 Speaker 1: This big brave truckies, right, they drive all through night, 51 00:02:27,605 --> 00:02:29,764 Speaker 1: all of these those big tons and stuff on a 52 00:02:29,885 --> 00:02:32,325 Speaker 1: friend of a load of trees packed tightly together. 53 00:02:32,525 --> 00:02:34,245 Speaker 4: There's also people that live in there. 54 00:02:34,365 --> 00:02:39,764 Speaker 3: What do you mean in checks and you're a journalist, 55 00:02:39,845 --> 00:02:42,685 Speaker 3: it's the forest people, right, Okay, I'm going to send 56 00:02:42,725 --> 00:02:43,445 Speaker 3: you an assignment. 57 00:02:43,525 --> 00:02:45,804 Speaker 1: Right, I'm going to send you out there to investigate 58 00:02:46,245 --> 00:02:48,165 Speaker 1: who would be brave enough to stay the night there? 59 00:02:48,205 --> 00:02:53,965 Speaker 1: And that way I gave you would do it's going 60 00:02:54,005 --> 00:02:57,525 Speaker 1: to happen. They're revenant. Yes, you're going to just sort 61 00:02:57,565 --> 00:02:58,965 Speaker 1: it out by what's he called? What's it called that 62 00:02:59,005 --> 00:02:59,965 Speaker 1: you have a wackie where it. 63 00:02:59,925 --> 00:03:02,525 Speaker 3: Is Blair which is driving his days? I could better 64 00:03:02,605 --> 00:03:06,285 Speaker 3: this place. It's like it's terrifying. You just don't know 65 00:03:06,365 --> 00:03:08,325 Speaker 3: what's in it because it's so vast as well, like 66 00:03:08,365 --> 00:03:11,725 Speaker 3: it's massive, and if you get lost in there, good. 67 00:03:11,565 --> 00:03:16,245 Speaker 1: Luck, canaan. What else you found about it? Then? 68 00:03:16,925 --> 00:03:20,325 Speaker 2: So there's been many a sightings, including some people that 69 00:03:20,405 --> 00:03:22,605 Speaker 2: claim to have seen it. A yow we come out, 70 00:03:22,605 --> 00:03:25,245 Speaker 2: grab a kangaroo and drag it back into the forest. 71 00:03:25,725 --> 00:03:30,605 Speaker 2: They've also seen big what they it's called. Sorry, I'm 72 00:03:30,645 --> 00:03:34,125 Speaker 2: just reading it through here, golf ball sized floodlights as eyes. 73 00:03:34,805 --> 00:03:36,125 Speaker 2: They see them pop out of the. 74 00:03:36,125 --> 00:03:38,405 Speaker 1: Forest at night. It's not that big, really, is it? 75 00:03:38,485 --> 00:03:43,525 Speaker 1: Golf ball sized eyes? I don't know bin lids or 76 00:03:44,605 --> 00:03:47,365 Speaker 1: the size of satellite dishes, and he go, oh my god, 77 00:03:47,525 --> 00:03:49,485 Speaker 1: golf balls just like it's not that scary. 78 00:03:49,685 --> 00:03:51,965 Speaker 2: The whole golf ball is like a flood light. That's 79 00:03:52,005 --> 00:03:52,445 Speaker 2: what they say. 80 00:03:52,525 --> 00:03:54,485 Speaker 1: It's like a small torch. Then I got one of 81 00:03:54,525 --> 00:03:56,445 Speaker 1: those my beds. You wouldn't sound terrifying. 82 00:03:56,765 --> 00:03:58,565 Speaker 4: Okay, I'd love to see you in there. I would 83 00:03:58,605 --> 00:03:59,445 Speaker 4: love to see you there. 84 00:03:59,685 --> 00:04:01,845 Speaker 1: And what's interesting is that you guys are all scared. 85 00:04:02,885 --> 00:04:06,005 Speaker 3: Oh no, it's also folklore. I mean, there's so many 86 00:04:06,045 --> 00:04:08,405 Speaker 3: stories about this, how so many people have seen it. 87 00:04:08,565 --> 00:04:10,525 Speaker 1: But how long has it been there? It's got a 88 00:04:10,525 --> 00:04:11,925 Speaker 1: long old lifespan, isn't it. 89 00:04:12,045 --> 00:04:16,724 Speaker 4: I reckon one hundred. No, it's like an indigenous sacre. 90 00:04:17,404 --> 00:04:18,805 Speaker 4: What's an indigenous character? 91 00:04:18,844 --> 00:04:21,965 Speaker 1: So I imagine it right, Okay, So do you think 92 00:04:21,964 --> 00:04:23,444 Speaker 1: it's more of an archetypal being? 93 00:04:24,005 --> 00:04:25,445 Speaker 4: Yes, well I think I believe. 94 00:04:25,525 --> 00:04:27,564 Speaker 1: So that's what I'm led to. Anyway, We're going to 95 00:04:27,565 --> 00:04:30,364 Speaker 1: find out if a journalist wants to follow the evidence, 96 00:04:30,685 --> 00:04:34,325 Speaker 1: follow the story and uncover the truth exactly, we're not 97 00:04:34,364 --> 00:04:38,765 Speaker 1: equipped to do it journalists, journalists? What about pats news 98 00:04:38,804 --> 00:04:40,525 Speaker 1: and sport from them? Do you know what we need 99 00:04:40,525 --> 00:04:42,165 Speaker 1: to do? A coming to find a listener's brain enough 100 00:04:42,164 --> 00:04:44,885 Speaker 1: to go in there and find out the truth. Anyone 101 00:04:44,885 --> 00:04:46,604 Speaker 1: want to call in? What do you mean we won't 102 00:04:46,604 --> 00:04:47,364 Speaker 1: see that listener again? 103 00:04:47,364 --> 00:04:51,245 Speaker 3: You couldn't pay me enough. It's terrifying like it is. 104 00:04:51,404 --> 00:04:54,884 Speaker 3: It's I'm trying to describe it for you. You can't 105 00:04:55,005 --> 00:04:57,564 Speaker 3: imagine how densities it's just not that. 106 00:05:00,525 --> 00:05:01,565 Speaker 4: In silence. 107 00:05:02,765 --> 00:05:13,045 Speaker 1: Christian O'Connell Show podcast. This is live right now in 108 00:05:13,085 --> 00:05:16,044 Speaker 1: the pilic of Forest. I found a webcam. Did anyone 109 00:05:16,085 --> 00:05:20,005 Speaker 1: else hear it? I can't hear it? Live right now 110 00:05:20,044 --> 00:05:22,325 Speaker 1: eight to fifteen, the Pilica Forest where time stands still? 111 00:05:25,404 --> 00:05:27,964 Speaker 1: All right, Alex Cullen has Tom's about the legend, the myth, 112 00:05:28,445 --> 00:05:32,285 Speaker 1: the place, the pilic of Forests. Okay, and I'm just 113 00:05:32,604 --> 00:05:35,284 Speaker 1: I'll just googled it. What's it getting a story? The 114 00:05:35,364 --> 00:05:38,124 Speaker 1: Pillager princess and they ain't given to a woman. It's 115 00:05:38,164 --> 00:05:41,045 Speaker 1: often seen along the new Ale Highway in the region. 116 00:05:41,125 --> 00:05:43,804 Speaker 1: She's known for pushing a shopping trolley a ghost, a 117 00:05:43,844 --> 00:05:46,205 Speaker 1: shopping trolley filled with her belongings, and hitch hiking with 118 00:05:46,565 --> 00:05:49,285 Speaker 1: truck drivers see here. Often she tragically died or have 119 00:05:49,284 --> 00:05:52,445 Speaker 1: been hit by a truck in nineteen ninety three. Since then, 120 00:05:52,964 --> 00:05:56,724 Speaker 1: thousands of sightings of a ghost pushing a shopping trolley. 121 00:05:57,205 --> 00:06:00,685 Speaker 1: Oh wow, We've heard so many ghost stories on the show, 122 00:06:00,724 --> 00:06:04,685 Speaker 1: but not one with a wonky wheel shopping trolley. You 123 00:06:04,724 --> 00:06:07,325 Speaker 1: know that won always pulls a leg. That's why she 124 00:06:07,364 --> 00:06:09,044 Speaker 1: can't leave the frost. She's trying to get about that 125 00:06:09,085 --> 00:06:15,644 Speaker 1: dear bloody ghosts. And I can't even get this ghost 126 00:06:15,645 --> 00:06:19,284 Speaker 1: shopping even in ghost world, you know, even in the 127 00:06:19,284 --> 00:06:22,125 Speaker 1: the nether world, the shopping trolleys don't work there either, 128 00:06:22,205 --> 00:06:25,165 Speaker 1: is what this says to me, Christian, I'm calling BS. 129 00:06:26,205 --> 00:06:29,244 Speaker 1: My partner is a truck driver drives through all the 130 00:06:29,284 --> 00:06:33,404 Speaker 1: time with the Pelica Forest. He often stays the night there. 131 00:06:33,445 --> 00:06:37,365 Speaker 1: They have to impulse over b S. That is from Sarah. 132 00:06:37,445 --> 00:06:40,244 Speaker 4: Sarah that it used to be a dirt road. Maybe 133 00:06:40,325 --> 00:06:42,005 Speaker 4: it's been trd now. 134 00:06:45,284 --> 00:06:48,164 Speaker 1: It is full of dirt roads. Young always a haunted 135 00:06:48,164 --> 00:06:50,804 Speaker 1: dirt road otherwise entire place to be haunted. 136 00:06:51,325 --> 00:06:53,444 Speaker 4: But most roads have have it cleared, so that the 137 00:06:53,484 --> 00:06:54,244 Speaker 4: trees cleared. 138 00:06:54,325 --> 00:06:56,885 Speaker 3: But the Pilica forest, they're right up to the road 139 00:06:56,924 --> 00:07:11,565 Speaker 3: and they're. 140 00:07:01,245 --> 00:07:08,085 Speaker 1: It's sasquatch Christian. A man called Chad would send me 141 00:07:08,085 --> 00:07:12,725 Speaker 1: this message two K, I'll stay the night there. Actually, 142 00:07:12,804 --> 00:07:16,925 Speaker 1: what actually take someone out when I'm not going with you? Especially? 143 00:07:16,925 --> 00:07:20,285 Speaker 1: Where's that smooth time mat rope? Have they got a 144 00:07:20,285 --> 00:07:25,124 Speaker 1: Sophael there somewhere around here? All right? Ben's on the line. 145 00:07:25,165 --> 00:07:25,845 Speaker 1: Good morning, Ben. 146 00:07:25,885 --> 00:07:28,285 Speaker 4: You grew up there, yeah, made I grew up and 147 00:07:28,285 --> 00:07:28,765 Speaker 4: Billy go. 148 00:07:29,285 --> 00:07:30,845 Speaker 1: Right, so you might know Alex cut it? What's your 149 00:07:30,885 --> 00:07:32,405 Speaker 1: last name? Ben? Okay? 150 00:07:33,125 --> 00:07:33,925 Speaker 4: Was it? 151 00:07:33,965 --> 00:07:34,605 Speaker 1: Okay? 152 00:07:34,885 --> 00:07:35,805 Speaker 4: Okay? 153 00:07:36,525 --> 00:07:41,085 Speaker 1: They've got a snow where. But that's why you didn't 154 00:07:41,085 --> 00:07:44,005 Speaker 1: get me that paid? Now, Ben, what can you tell 155 00:07:44,165 --> 00:07:45,365 Speaker 1: What can you tell us? Mate? 156 00:07:46,285 --> 00:07:49,405 Speaker 5: Oh, there's definitely a We'll say there's a ye. But 157 00:07:49,405 --> 00:07:51,684 Speaker 5: there's some form of crazy getting around that forest. Mate. 158 00:07:51,725 --> 00:07:52,725 Speaker 1: I grew up out there as. 159 00:07:52,605 --> 00:07:55,644 Speaker 5: A kid and wave weakness and pretty extraordinary. 160 00:07:55,005 --> 00:07:57,765 Speaker 1: Stuff like what what if you what can you share 161 00:07:57,804 --> 00:07:59,045 Speaker 1: with this? Ben? Well? 162 00:07:59,285 --> 00:08:00,485 Speaker 4: Have you ever seen the movie Creditor? 163 00:08:00,765 --> 00:08:03,965 Speaker 1: Yeah? That's what we been playing this sound effect. Yeah, well. 164 00:08:05,364 --> 00:08:06,805 Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's what we're used to here as a 165 00:08:06,885 --> 00:08:09,364 Speaker 5: kidd and we're camping down the river because property, you said, 166 00:08:09,364 --> 00:08:11,405 Speaker 5: back right onto the river, right onto the back of 167 00:08:11,445 --> 00:08:12,205 Speaker 5: the Philly the forest. 168 00:08:15,285 --> 00:08:17,564 Speaker 1: What's something like that? And then at some sort of 169 00:08:17,565 --> 00:08:18,885 Speaker 1: beast making that noise. 170 00:08:19,765 --> 00:08:22,325 Speaker 5: There were some weird, wonderful noises, mate. And then my 171 00:08:22,405 --> 00:08:24,125 Speaker 5: uncle one day he came back through him when he 172 00:08:24,165 --> 00:08:26,004 Speaker 5: went for a drive and he had three quar marks 173 00:08:26,005 --> 00:08:26,845 Speaker 5: out the side of his car. 174 00:08:28,765 --> 00:08:32,204 Speaker 1: Car, Yeah, three quar marks out the side of his car. 175 00:08:35,365 --> 00:08:40,005 Speaker 1: Yaw we or just a bad parker came about that 176 00:08:40,005 --> 00:08:42,525 Speaker 1: ghost shopping tchorlie as well? You know, should be furious 177 00:08:44,525 --> 00:08:47,765 Speaker 1: a princess there? Yeah yeah, yeah, Ben, thank you very much. 178 00:08:47,804 --> 00:08:48,285 Speaker 4: She call me. 179 00:08:48,285 --> 00:08:51,525 Speaker 1: I have a good day, mate. What the chances he's listening? 180 00:08:51,525 --> 00:08:54,765 Speaker 1: He grew up in there? Went on in there, Malanda? 181 00:08:57,204 --> 00:08:59,085 Speaker 1: Sorry sleep. Why it's been labled up by one of 182 00:08:59,125 --> 00:09:02,725 Speaker 1: our rum producers. What would you caton's job is to 183 00:09:02,804 --> 00:09:07,124 Speaker 1: label up the names? It is, help me out here, producers. 184 00:09:07,405 --> 00:09:10,885 Speaker 1: Why would anyone be called Sasquat's got your eyes? 185 00:09:10,965 --> 00:09:11,084 Speaker 5: Is it? 186 00:09:11,165 --> 00:09:13,804 Speaker 1: Caitlin? Anyway? Sorry? Melinda? 187 00:09:14,725 --> 00:09:18,085 Speaker 6: Yeah, I just my parents drove through there in their 188 00:09:18,125 --> 00:09:20,525 Speaker 6: seventies when they're on their way to their honeymoon in 189 00:09:20,725 --> 00:09:24,485 Speaker 6: point seven Paradise, and they were stopping in kune bar Brand, 190 00:09:24,485 --> 00:09:26,125 Speaker 6: which is up the road, and. 191 00:09:26,525 --> 00:09:29,125 Speaker 7: They swear black and blue day three, how we holding 192 00:09:29,165 --> 00:09:30,605 Speaker 7: a boulder on the side of the road, and the 193 00:09:30,605 --> 00:09:32,804 Speaker 7: boulder of my dad's like the boulder was too big 194 00:09:32,845 --> 00:09:35,125 Speaker 7: through and like an adult man to be. 195 00:09:35,125 --> 00:09:39,525 Speaker 1: Holding who we're just standing still holding that check out 196 00:09:39,564 --> 00:09:44,405 Speaker 1: the guards. No human could do this. 197 00:09:45,125 --> 00:09:47,804 Speaker 7: And when they stopped in Kunabarra Brand, the lady they 198 00:09:47,845 --> 00:09:49,724 Speaker 7: were talking to a lady at the servo and she goes, yeah, 199 00:09:49,765 --> 00:09:50,685 Speaker 7: even the truckies don't. 200 00:09:50,525 --> 00:09:51,165 Speaker 6: Stop through there. 201 00:09:53,605 --> 00:10:00,444 Speaker 1: Happens a lovely stuff. Malander, what's your new name? Rob? 202 00:10:00,444 --> 00:10:03,845 Speaker 1: Good morning Rob? Good morning Rob? What's your What have 203 00:10:03,845 --> 00:10:04,605 Speaker 1: you got about all this? 204 00:10:05,645 --> 00:10:06,005 Speaker 5: Oh? 205 00:10:06,045 --> 00:10:09,765 Speaker 8: I just believe that that's all blooney. I'm a bride, 206 00:10:09,845 --> 00:10:11,485 Speaker 8: but nothing. I've been up in the bush most of 207 00:10:11,525 --> 00:10:14,765 Speaker 8: my life and yeah, anhing seems to worry. There's only 208 00:10:14,804 --> 00:10:17,725 Speaker 8: animal noises and tree noises, and that I'd be prepared 209 00:10:17,765 --> 00:10:18,445 Speaker 8: to go, isn't here? 210 00:10:18,684 --> 00:10:20,085 Speaker 1: Okay? Now at the moment, I've got to go and 211 00:10:20,084 --> 00:10:21,885 Speaker 1: call Chad. He's prepared to go in there for two 212 00:10:21,965 --> 00:10:24,405 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. You're going to undercut him? Oh? 213 00:10:24,525 --> 00:10:25,085 Speaker 8: Undercut him? 214 00:10:25,125 --> 00:10:34,565 Speaker 1: Boyl wow, Okay, all right, Robert might be let's go 215 00:10:34,684 --> 00:10:36,925 Speaker 1: to Jason. Now. I hope it's Jason. It could be 216 00:10:37,005 --> 00:10:39,645 Speaker 1: just be. I don't know, Oh, gisbone, I don't know 217 00:10:39,645 --> 00:10:46,045 Speaker 1: where the particiercating spelling Jason. Welcome to the show. Jason, 218 00:10:46,564 --> 00:10:46,804 Speaker 1: just beIN. 219 00:10:46,965 --> 00:10:48,445 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm here. 220 00:10:49,165 --> 00:10:53,285 Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha. You been to the Pelaga Forest? 221 00:10:53,684 --> 00:10:55,925 Speaker 5: No, but I'll go there for free. 222 00:10:56,245 --> 00:11:01,804 Speaker 1: Whoa, oh, Rob? We went from Chad for two grands. 223 00:11:01,925 --> 00:11:04,725 Speaker 1: Rob comes in at one and now our man here, 224 00:11:05,165 --> 00:11:07,484 Speaker 1: Jason and the Argonauts, is going to do it for free. 225 00:11:09,084 --> 00:11:11,324 Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not skeied and nothing. I used to 226 00:11:11,365 --> 00:11:14,045 Speaker 5: live in the house in New Zealand. It was terribly 227 00:11:14,125 --> 00:11:16,885 Speaker 5: wanted haunt. 228 00:11:17,204 --> 00:11:19,605 Speaker 1: What do you mean, terbly haunted? Several ghosts of poltergeist. 229 00:11:20,285 --> 00:11:23,765 Speaker 5: I want to be in a whitehouse and the the 230 00:11:23,804 --> 00:11:25,485 Speaker 5: blanket throws up beside me. 231 00:11:25,684 --> 00:11:27,365 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember when I was fourteen us that 232 00:11:27,405 --> 00:11:30,045 Speaker 1: happened quite a lot. It was got a Poults anyway, 233 00:11:30,045 --> 00:11:34,925 Speaker 1: but don't you get of it. The Christian O'Connell Show podcast,