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Speaker 1: that is a four point seven percent decrease compared to

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Speaker 1: when Labor was in power. But Selena Yubo called will.

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Speaker 1: the week to say that it is becoming increasingly clear

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Speaker 1: Member Farara lun Robin Lamley, Good morning to you, Robin.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Robin, good to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: Now one year in the COLP government's been in power

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Speaker 2: Look, I think they're delivering pretty much what they said

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Speaker 2: they've brought in to try and combat crime. But I

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's one of those things, right like whenever

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Speaker 1: just as soon as you're talking about some of those improvements,

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Speaker 1: it's a difficult one. But by and large, I mean

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Speaker 1: of you know, that public drunkenness. We're sort of seeing

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Speaker 2: Look, Katie, I don't know what people are thinking in

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Speaker 2: Can I just go back to something you said before

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Speaker 2: you mentioned Nicole Manison. I can guarantee you things got

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Speaker 1: Like you're being Gastly's probably robint and I know that's

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Speaker 2: Was going on down here. We've always had a major

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel the same. And look, that's largely the

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Speaker 2: Well, you talked about public drunkenness just before. That's that

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Speaker 2: So we can walk and chew gum at the same time.

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Speaker 1: And well, we expect that, absolutely, we expect our governments

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Speaker 1: council elections quickly? An interesting right in your hometown, Asta

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Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. The third person in the race is Lisa

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Speaker 2: I'm predicting Ellie will win. But my goodness me as

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Speaker 2: to Hill, she has done so well. She's a very

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Speaker 1: a lot of people see Allie Springs as being a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the other aspect to that is the I'm

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Speaker 2: And yeah, she's done well.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, we want bright young people putting

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Speaker 1: We want people of all ages and all stripes. But

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Speaker 2: And Katie is also a superstar. Yeah, he's a man.

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Speaker 2: He's a Lebanese man. He came here in nineteen seventy four.

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Speaker 2: He speaks English as a second language. He's been around

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Speaker 2: politics for many years. He's got up the noses of

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Speaker 2: most of us. But he will be a great mayor too,

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot to look forward to.

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Speaker 1: Love that got up the noses of both of them,

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Speaker 1: but most of us. Robin, I love that, but that

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Speaker 2: I know that feeling.

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Speaker 1: Too, Robin. Good to catch up with you as always.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks so much for your time. You two