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Speaker 1: Jum Mission with Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Hello, it's such a thrill to talk to you. Seven

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Speaker 2: times best selling cookbook author devities worldwide, including me, I

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Speaker 2: have all your books. You're someone who just really you

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Speaker 2: can go by your first name. You're like, share your Yottam, Well,

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Speaker 2: I'll give you your surname as well, Otto Lenny, Hello and welcome.

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Speaker 1: Hello. I do model myself on Sheriff. You got that well, yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: Also satisfying to say Ottumn Lenny.

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Speaker 1: It's just it rolls off the It's a nice bit

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Speaker 1: of a literation.

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Speaker 2: You're also one of those people who your name is.

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Speaker 2: If I serve up a dish, or I go to

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Speaker 2: someone's house and it's a beautiful chicken dish or a

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Speaker 2: dessert or a salad, you say it's a not a Lenny,

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Speaker 2: and people just go, yes, thank you. You've become synonymous

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Speaker 2: with beautiful food. Did you ever imagine you'd be in

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Speaker 2: this position?

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Speaker 1: No, and I'm flattered, thank you. I never thought that

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Speaker 1: would be the case.

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Speaker 3: No, and I'm kind of surprised every time because it's

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Speaker 3: just it's such.

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Speaker 1: A weird experience. But I know that.

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Speaker 3: Happens, but I still can't really I haven't adjusted myself

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Speaker 3: yet to the situation.

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Speaker 2: Do you think your timing was perfect, that your rise

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Speaker 2: to food fame came at a time when people were

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Speaker 2: looking for alternatives to meet because you've really, in a

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Speaker 2: way led the way for plant based food as well.

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Speaker 1: I think you're that's right.

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Speaker 3: I think if I have to look back and kind

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Speaker 3: of understand what's been happening over the last few years,

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Speaker 3: I think it's two things. Basically, it is like you say, Amanda,

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Speaker 3: it's the It is that kind of people were really

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Speaker 3: looking for to do exciting things with vegetables, and for

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Speaker 3: a very long time in the West and Northern Europe,

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Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of that. Over the years, there

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Speaker 3: wasn't really anything going on that was super exciting with vegetables. Essentially,

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Speaker 3: they weren't necessary evil and people we're like, okay, well

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Speaker 3: we have to eat our veg but you know that's

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Speaker 3: not where the that's not where the sex sick things lie.

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Speaker 2: So tell us about test Kitchen Shelf Love. I do

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Speaker 2: love that name. What inspired this book.

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Speaker 3: So this book that I've co authored with an incredible

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Speaker 3: young chef called Normal Rod, who is half English and

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Speaker 3: half Harani. She comes from the Gulf, and like me,

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Speaker 3: I come from the Middle East. She comes from another

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Speaker 3: part of the Midleast. There's a lot of the flavors

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Speaker 3: of the Middleast in this book. But all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: this pandemic arrived and we were all stuck in our

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Speaker 3: homes with a limited choice. So in a sense, it's

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Speaker 3: it's so clear that this is how need we need

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Speaker 3: to start conducting our lives. And I'm not talking about

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Speaker 3: something dramatic. We're still extremely fortunate in our age that

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Speaker 3: we've got these abundance of ingredients, at least in some countries,

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Speaker 3: and it's all about being clever about them. If you

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Speaker 3: don't have this substitute for that, if you can't eat,

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Speaker 3: if you have some left over bread making bread pudding,

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Speaker 3: and or if you get or if you get your

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Speaker 3: vegebox and some people go, oh gosh, these turnips, I

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Speaker 3: don't know what to do with them, or the bee

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Speaker 3: truth or the things that you.

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Speaker 1: Don't feel very you know, intimate with.

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Speaker 3: You can really learn this intimacy just by kind of experimenting,

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Speaker 3: playing around, substituting.

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Speaker 1: So the same potato grattan.

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Speaker 3: That you you love and love people know how to

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Speaker 3: make you know a nice, nice Grattan. You can mix

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Speaker 3: up the potatoes with the less loved vegetables like a

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Speaker 3: swede or a turnip, and you have a little bit

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Speaker 3: of bitterness and you might have to add a little

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Speaker 3: bit more butter or a touch of facility. But you

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Speaker 3: can really create amazing things with things that we didn't

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Speaker 3: know we should be having, but really we really choose.

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Speaker 2: The last time I got intimate with a swede, I

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Speaker 2: got in trouble off my wife.

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Speaker 1: You have a leggy.

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Speaker 3: It's so great to talk to you on a leggy test.

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Speaker 3: Kitchen shelf Love is available today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to see you again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys.

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