1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Amy Torba and coming up on today's show, Steph Claire 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Smith has been forced to address her changing physik and 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: Jules Neil and her besties take a swipe at her 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: ex husband. But first UK influencer Saffron Barker has face 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: backlash for staying quiet after Iran's missile attacks. The Dubai 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: based YouTuber apologized saying she'd been on a remote island 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: in Australia with no Wi Fi, but fans weren't buying it, 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: pointing out she posted a steamy shower selfie with her 11 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: boyfriend a day earlier. Now, so before we get into it, 12 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: can you give us a quick rundown on what is 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: unfolding in Dubai right now. Well, Dabaia, which is really 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: known for its luxury hotels and high end shopping centers, 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: has been caught up in the escalating conflict in the 16 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: Middle East. 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: So following the US and Israel's military attack on Iran 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: over the weekend, Iran hit backfiring miss and drones across 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: the Middle East. Dubai residents have been forced to take 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 2: shelter as loud explosions were heard across the city, which 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: were the sounds of missiles and drones being shot down 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: by the UAE defenses. Now debris has also hit a 23 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: number of famous hotels and started a few fires, and 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: Dabaia's main international airport terminal was also hit by the debris, 25 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: with four airport staff injured, and this caused major travel 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: disruptions with flights temporarily halted. The reason that we are 27 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 2: talking about this today is because Dubai has become a 28 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,919 Speaker 2: really popular base for some of the world's top creators, 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: with thousands of influencers based in the city from over 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: one hundred and forty countries. In particular, it is a 31 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 2: very popular spot for a lot of UK creators, mainly 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 2: due to the lifestyle, the tax advantages, and also the 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: brand opportunities there. 34 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: Well. I read a crazy stat that apparently ninety percent 35 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: of residents in Dubai are actually foreigners. It really has 36 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: become a playground for a lot of influencers and also 37 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: young people. It's very sad to admit, but one of 38 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: my first thoughts when I saw that the conflicted hit 39 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: Dubai was is our friend of the podcast YouTube of 40 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: Saffron Baker. 41 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: Alright, we have spoken in depth about her move to Dubai. 42 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: She did generate a lot of attention when she made 43 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: the move from the UK to Dubai with her boyfriend, 44 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: and despite putting on a brave face, she seems to 45 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: have been very homesick. So my initial thought was one 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 2: is she okay? And two does this mean that she'll 47 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 2: be moving back to the UK. 48 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: Well, Saffron was actually holidaying in Australia with her boyfriend 49 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: at the time these incidents took place, but a lot 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: of her followers were really concerned about her. Yeah, there's 51 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: a bit of a local element to the story because 52 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: Saffron arrived in Australia a couple of weeks ago, so 53 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: she landed in Sydney before heading to the Gold Coast. 54 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: She then embarked on a road trip to Byron Bay 55 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: and Noosa and she has been posting a lot about 56 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: her travels here and as you said, Amy, fans are 57 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: really eager back home for her to make a comment 58 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: on the incident, particularly because members of her boyfriend Josh's 59 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: family currently live in Dubai. Well, she read really quiet, 60 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: because she'd been posting so much about the truth, and 61 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: as soon as this happened, suddenly it was radio silence, 62 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of her followers were going on her 63 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: photos and going, oh my god, Oh my god, are 64 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 1: you okay. Generally, you'd expect an influencer or media personality 65 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: to put up a post acknowledging the incident, particularly someone 66 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: like Saffron who is actually based in Dubai. In Saffron's case, 67 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were also expecting her 68 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: to say, hey, well, Josh, his family is okay, because 69 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: I actually live in Dubacing. I don't think anyone was 70 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: expecting her to weigh into any of the politics at play, 71 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: I don't. I think that's kind of unfair to expect 72 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: influencers to do so. But I think people also just 73 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: wanted to know if she was okay, because for people 74 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: who don't closely follow her life like I do, they 75 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: might not have known that she was actually in Australia, 76 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: and they might have been waiting for her to put 77 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: up a post being like, don't worry, everyone were okay. 78 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: I think all people wanted was her. 79 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: To acknowledge that she and her family were safe and 80 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: that they were thinking about everyone. 81 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: Well. 82 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: The most bizarre thing was a day after the incident, 83 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: Saffron finally ended the radio silence and she uploaded a 84 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: photo of her and her boyfriend Josh look pretty hot 85 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: and heavy in a shower. 86 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they were living it up in this tropical 87 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: spa with a stunning view. I'm not quite sure where 88 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: this was in Australia, it looked like it possibly was Noosa, 89 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: and Saffron captured the photo spa Days with You, and 90 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: this was at a post that she collaborated with Josh 91 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: on That detail is important in a second, so underneath 92 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: the photo, a follower wrote, are you going to say 93 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: anything about what's going on in Dubai? And this seemed 94 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: to cause a bit of an argument. In her comments section. 95 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: There were a lot of fans sticking up for Saffron, 96 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: saying she literally doesn't have to comment on this. It's 97 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: not going to change a single thing. Another person said, 98 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: do you think Iran will stop firing missiles if she 99 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: posts an Instagram story with a laughing face? I agree 100 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: with what they're saying. Obviously, her comments aren't going to 101 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: have any sort of impact on the situation. Unfolding, but 102 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: I think that people just wanted to hear that she 103 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: was okay. 104 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 4: To be honest, I was a little bit taken aback 105 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 4: by the post. 106 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: It did come across as a bit tone dev considering 107 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: what was going on in Dubai, and I became even 108 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: more confused by Saffron silence when it came to light 109 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: that her brother and sister law were also caught up 110 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: in the conflicts. So her sister in law, Image and Crib, 111 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: who also happens to be a fellow influencer and her 112 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: business partner, wrote on Instagram, the past forty eight hours 113 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: have been the heaviest thing I've personally ever experienced, and 114 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: it's just a pin drop into the lives of many 115 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: of those that face these conflicts on a daily basis. 116 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: For context, our plane was one of the last flights 117 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: into Dubai on the first of March, where we all 118 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: met with overhead booms and falling debris from the incepted 119 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: missiles flying above. Thank you to all my friends and 120 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: family that have checked in. It means a world we 121 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: are safe and continuing to stay informed through official sources 122 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: only and listening to our government's advice. The uncertainty is 123 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: the scariest thing. But me and my partner and my 124 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: friends are staying positive and continuing to have faith. I'm 125 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: glad we all have each other. Imogen went on to 126 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: thank her friends and said that they were attempting to 127 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: carry on as normal. 128 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: I was really confused when I saw Imagen's posts because 129 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 2: I was like, why are they in Dubai if Saffron's 130 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 2: not there, because generally they come over. 131 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 4: To visit her. 132 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: I think that was staying at Saffron and Josh's house 133 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: while they were over. I mean, it's not a big deal. 134 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: It's kind of like, if you live in the UK, 135 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: going to Dubai is a bit like going to Bali. 136 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: It's a shorter flight well, particularly for influencers who have 137 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: a lot of money to play with, so they can 138 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: sort of flit in and flit out when they want see. 139 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: I thought differently when I saw images post because I 140 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's why Saffron hasn't made an official 141 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: comment about it, because she's probably waiting to see if 142 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: her brother and her sister in law to be are okay. 143 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: I mean that content that she put up that could 144 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: have been scheduled content well, Also, it would be tough 145 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: when you're in Australia, which for a lot of UK 146 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: people feels like a million miles away. She might not 147 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: have been across all of the information at hand, or 148 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: she might not have heard from her family members yet 149 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: due to the time difference. She also might not know 150 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: what she's doing. No one really knows what's going on. 151 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: Dubai International Airport was closed. I mean, her whole life 152 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 1: is in Dubai. She's probably getting pressure from her family 153 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: to come home. That's the thing she would have been upset. 154 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 2: I would be very upsetting to know that your family 155 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: and alsoe your partner's family are over there and then 156 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: everyone's wanting you to comment straight away. I mean, she's 157 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: a twenty five year old girl. She probably you know, 158 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: and she has been talking a lot about how she 159 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 2: feels really unconfident posting online at the moment because people 160 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: read into everything that she says. 161 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: Well, she was saying she felt scared to post. And 162 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: this is the issue that a lot of influencers are 163 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: becoming too scared to say anything, too scared to share 164 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: any elements of their life because they're worried about the backlash. Look, 165 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: I get all of that, and that's very understandable. But 166 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: the problem was this post because the post just looked 167 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: incredibly tone deaf and it looked like we're just ignoring this. 168 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: I mean, as you said, there is some speculation that 169 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: it was scheduled. 170 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: In I think once Saffron drops a couple of YouTube videos, 171 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: we might have more information at hand as what's actually 172 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: been going on behind the scenes. 173 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: Look, I totally get where you're coming from, but the 174 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: issue was the post. So not only did she post 175 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: that spa photo that came across as a bit tone deaf, 176 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: but she also uploaded this ad for Hallo Fresh. Now 177 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: it was clear it was pre recorded because it was 178 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: shot in her house in the UK. 179 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: Well, that being said, it seemed like Imagen's post put 180 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: a lot of extra pressure on Saffron to finally say 181 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: something because two days after the stroke, right after that 182 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: Hallo Fresh ad, Saffron commented on the incident. So on 183 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: her Instagram story, she wrote, Hey everyone, sorry, I've been mia. 184 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: I'm still in Australia at the moment and have been 185 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: on an island with zero service, so I've been completely 186 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: offline in brackets. My mum's been logged into my account. 187 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: Whilst I'm not at home in Dubai, my friends and 188 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: family are and I'm so incredibly grateful they're safe and sound, 189 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: and along with everyone else, I truly hope everyone else 190 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: is safe too. Sending all of my love and thinking 191 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: of everyone during this time. Thank you so much for 192 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 2: all of your lovely DMS. I appreciate the more than 193 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: you know. 194 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: This statement left a lot of people scratching their heads 195 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: because Saffron has been documenting a road trip that she 196 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: and Josh have been doing from Byron Beta NUSA, and 197 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: anyone who has been to those locations know that they 198 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: very much have Wi Fi there and they're also not islands. 199 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: In saying that, yesterday Saffron posted a couple of photos 200 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: from Fraser Islands, so she has been posting things a 201 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: bit delayed, so perhaps she actually was in an island. 202 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: Well, she also shared some shots of her camping, so 203 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: she may have actually been out of range. Are you 204 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: telling me we're supposed to believe that her mom uploaded 205 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: that first trap photo though, I mean, that would just 206 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: be weird, wouldn't it. 207 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: Well, she she did allude that her mum's been uploading 208 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 2: her content for her. I mean, she has a pretty 209 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: cool relationship with her mom. 210 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: But look, I'm pretty sure Saffron probably uploaded that photo. 211 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 4: Let's be honest, Well, Fraser Island. 212 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: The thing that's the giveaway is the fact that she 213 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: collaborated on the post with her boyfriend Josh, so it 214 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: also appeared on his page. So unless he's also got 215 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: her mom looking after his Instagram as well. 216 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: Would you really be trusting your mum with your Instagram 217 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: account when you're twenty five. I know she's got her 218 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: boyfriend Josh now, but back in the day she was 219 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 1: receiving a lot of dms from footballers. 220 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 4: Would you want your mum and your DM is her manager? 221 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: Or She has spoken about how her mum works with 222 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: her and essentially manages her, so it would make sense 223 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: that she would have access to it. I mean, I 224 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: don't know if Wendy's trawling through all her dms. I mean, 225 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: I think she has a pretty open relationship with her mum. 226 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: That said, I don't know how many moms would actually 227 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: be posting shower photos of their daughter and their boyfriend online. 228 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: I mean, if that actually has taken place, that's a 229 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: bit iconic. But Saffron's mum was even trying to go 230 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: on with the facade. So that same day, Saffron uploaded 231 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: another photo dump of her trip in Australia so far, 232 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: and in the comment section, her mum wrote, yeah, you're 233 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: back in the world of Wi Fi, and a follower 234 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: called them out. Underneath she wrote, so you're the one 235 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: that posted that shower pick not buying it? Why does 236 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: that remind me of something our mum would do to 237 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: try and legitimize things. I actually kind of like that 238 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: Wendy did that because she's always looking out for her kids, But. 239 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 4: That just gives it away. 240 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: A key sign of someone's lying is when they over 241 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: explain things, and that's what they've just done there. The 242 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: only thing that makes me think maybe Wendy did upload 243 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: that first trap is some of the other comments Wendy 244 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: has left under her children's photos. I don't know if 245 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: you guys have noticed it, but sometimes Saffron will share 246 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: these photos almost at risk, photos of her and Josh 247 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: and Wendy will be like love hearts and this looks amazing, 248 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: And even on Josh's photo so he's a model. He'll 249 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: post all of these shots of him looking ripped on 250 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: the beach and she'll put like looking great or you know. 251 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 2: She's kind of like the mom from Mean Girl. She's 252 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 2: like a cool mum who just goes with the flow. 253 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: In saying that. In terms of this situation, I think 254 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: everyone will know that Saffron Barker is one of my 255 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: favorite YouTubers. And again not to use a shameless term, 256 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: but sometimes this girl is in my past basket. If 257 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: I was her PR manager, I would just say to her, 258 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: look next time, just apologize for the delay, Say that 259 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: you were taking some time away to register and think 260 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: about what happened. You were waiting to speak to your 261 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: family and friends due to the time difference, and you're 262 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: very sad if anyone is being caught up, and that's 263 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 2: all you need to do. 264 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 4: This is the thing. 265 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: I don't think there was anything wrong with her statement. 266 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: I don't think she needed to put something out instantly, 267 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: especially when you learn the news that her brother and 268 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: her friend image and are over in Dubai. At the moment, 269 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: it makes it, you know, quite understandable. I think the 270 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: worst thing she did was tell a bit of a 271 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: white lie about it, you know what I mean. That's 272 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: what people are more caught up on. Now, what I 273 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: want to know is a Josh and Saffron actually going 274 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: to go back to Dubai or will they be moving 275 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: straight back to the UK. Surely they'll be going back 276 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: to the UK for some time. I mean Saffron has 277 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: a house over there. I don't think her family will 278 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: want her back in Dubai for a while. 279 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: And maybe, like me, they had the assumption that you're 280 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: exercising a lot. Yeah, but that's not It's never like, 281 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 3: it's not black and white. 282 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: Steph cleare Smith has been forced to address her changing 283 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: fa Seke, the Kick co founder, who is eight months postpartum, 284 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: admitted she has been unintentionally promoting bounce back culture despite 285 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: campaigning against it with her fitness program. Now, kay, there's 286 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: a lot to unpack here. Can you get listeners up 287 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: to speed with the ethos behind the fitness program Steph 288 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: co founded with Laura Henshaw. 289 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 290 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: Well, the evolution of Kick and its ethos are pretty 291 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: interesting because step and Laura founded the business in twenty 292 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: fifteen by launching a clean eating recipe book. Now in 293 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, they transition to a movement based app, and 294 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: this year they've rebranded to a holistic wellbeing platform. Now 295 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: Kick's current tagline is that they celebrate movement for a feeling, 296 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: not an aesthetic. Now, I think it's fair to say 297 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: for many years, what has set them apart from the 298 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: competition is the fact that Kick rallies against toxic diet 299 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: culture and never shares physical transformations. Step and Laura have 300 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: been really open about the fact that they were inspired 301 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: to launch Kick after suffering from disorder eating themselves. Ironically, 302 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: though Kick was actually called Keep It Cleaner for the 303 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: first eight years of business, it wasn't until twenty twenty 304 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: three that it was officially renamed Kick to move away 305 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: from that problematic connotation of clean eating. 306 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: That's the thing I signed up to Kick in twenty eighteen. 307 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: The main reason that I signed up was because I 308 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 2: wanted to get abs like Steph kles Smith, and I 309 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: was under the illusion that you were doing the fitness 310 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: plan that two models did and in order to look 311 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: like them, you did these five workouts a week. But 312 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: now their message not to say that that was their 313 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: messaging before, but that was what I took from it 314 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: when I first heard it. 315 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 5: Well, they have been the faces or should I say, 316 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 5: the bodies of the business, and when they first launched 317 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 5: a business they were working models, so it's fair to 318 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 5: say a key motivator for a lot of people to 319 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 5: sign up was to try and look like them. 320 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 4: I mean, who wouldn't want to happen. 321 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: We've got It is interesting because I mean, we're going 322 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: to get into what Steph said on it podcast shortly, 323 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: but Steph admitted that she has had abs since she 324 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: was seven years old and that's just something that she 325 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: genetically has, which is really interesting because Kayla it's seen 326 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: us was known for literally sharing her bikini. 327 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: Bodyguide off her abs, you know what I mean. We 328 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: saw so many photos of her abs on Instagram. It 329 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: was the most desirable physical feature to have. Yeah, And 330 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: I think that's probably part of the reason why in 331 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: recent years Steph and Laura have really tried to move 332 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: away from being the faces of kick. For instance, they 333 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: used to be in one hundred percent of the workout content, 334 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: but in twenty twenty four that shifted to just twenty 335 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: five percent. 336 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 4: However, I think is very much fair to. 337 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: Say that the business still very heavily relies on Steph 338 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: and Laura tapping into their combined one point seven million 339 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: followers to promote it, not to mention. They're also hosts 340 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: of the Kickpod, so it's hard to take them away 341 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: from the business. You see them as an entity altogether. 342 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: Steph and Laura are amazing at marketing Kick because they 343 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: literally promote Kick on a daily basis on their Instagram accounts. 344 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: But it's always in a bit of a subtle way, 345 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: like they'll be posting about their day to day life, 346 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: but they'll include their workouts and a little link to 347 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: the workout that they're doing. 348 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big. 349 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: Part of the content they share. Following the birth of 350 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: Steph's second child in May, she started sharing body updates 351 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: for the first fourteen days postpartum, and she also documented 352 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: what she has called her bounce forward So in a 353 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: series of instagrams, she has shared things like her first 354 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: run and her first workout since having her baby. Now, 355 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: I want to point out bounce forward isn't the term 356 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: that Kick has coined themselves. It's a cultural pushback against 357 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: traditional bounce back messaging around postpartum bodies. It's a really 358 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: great thing. It promotes healing, growing and long term wellbeing 359 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: over rapid physical recovery. So that's the type of content 360 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: that Steph was putting out on her socials following the birth. 361 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: Ay I found it fascinating to see how she shared 362 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: about her postpart and body, particularly because I was only 363 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: a few weeks away from having my son, and I 364 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: was really intrigued to see process of your uterus slowly shrinking, 365 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: because for me, this is the first time I'd ever 366 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: really seen what goes, what happens, and what to expect, 367 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: which is a good thing, but also a bad thing, 368 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: because I noticed with Steph after a handful of days, 369 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: she was looking quite similar to what she did before 370 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: she was pregnant. 371 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: That's the thing with this type of content, it's only 372 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: natural for you to compare yourself. And as we've touched on, 373 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: Steph is a model, she has a enviable physique, and 374 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: she exercised a lot during her pregnancy. Now, in terms 375 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: of content, I think it's fair to say that in 376 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, in particular, she has been 377 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: posting a lot of content that features her body. So 378 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: late last week she created a reel for a paid 379 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: partnership with Things, and in the video, Steph modeled the 380 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: brand's new relaxed wire bra and as you'd expect with 381 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: an ad promoting underwear. She appeared just in her underwear 382 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: in the video, and she essentially showed off her body 383 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: at every angle. 384 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: Which is something that she did a lot of before 385 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: she had her kids and also after having her kids. 386 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: So this isn't out of the normal for her to 387 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: post this sort of content. 388 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 4: She used to be a swimmwear model. 389 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a long term ambassador with Bras and Things now. 390 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: At the time of recording, the video has been viewed 391 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: over four hundred thousand times and it attracted a lot 392 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: of comments. So one person wrote, Holy moly, what babies. 393 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: You are in incredible shape. Such an inspiration. Another said, 394 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: mama looks incredible. Someone else added, wow, you look amazing. 395 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: If you did a new diet or a new workout 396 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: plan you are following, please tell me because the difference 397 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: is crazy. 398 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 2: Another follower commented, please show me your ab and stomach workout. 399 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm six months postpartum after two babies and I need 400 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: to get mine back please now. Steph responded saying, it's 401 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: mostly genetics. Love. My stomach has always been my leanest 402 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 2: body part, but I have had visible app since I 403 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: was a kid. Go gentle on yourself. So it was 404 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: reassuring that she commented something like that. 405 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, And as I mentioned, this was just one of 406 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: a couple of videos that Steph posted where her body 407 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: featured in it. So another one was a real that 408 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: she shot of her workout. So she was doing a 409 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: kick pilates class and she was wearing a sports bra 410 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: and bike shorts on. Again, this is quite typical content 411 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: that Steph shares. Now there are a lot of comments 412 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: also about her body on that post. Michelle Andrews from 413 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: Shameless commented, mate, you look unreal. Someone else says, what 414 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: is your diet? You look amazing? Another said, I pray 415 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: after a mom of two, I look as good as 416 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: you now. 417 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 2: Steph addressed the growing commentary about her body on her 418 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: podcast on Monday, and she revealed that she's been thinking 419 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: about her body image a lot and felt like she 420 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: needed to speak openly about it. After receiving a question 421 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: from a follower asking if she was going to talk 422 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: about her weight loss now, she said that she knows 423 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: her body has changed and has been receiving comments from 424 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: people in her life as well as online. She then 425 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 2: reminded her list has to be careful with their comments 426 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 2: as what may seem like a compliment can trigger people 427 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: who have suffered from distorted eating, she said, fortunately, in 428 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 2: this instance, it hadn't triggered her Negatively. However, she spoke 429 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: through her concerns of missing the current body she's in 430 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: if her weight does fluctuate again. She then admitted that, 431 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 2: despite receiving so many comments about how strong she looks, 432 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: that she hasn't done strength training in months. 433 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 4: Let's take a listen. 434 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 6: I have not been doing much strength training. I've honestly 435 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 6: barely been even doing my plarties or anything. So I 436 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 6: don't feel I don't feel strong. I don't feel that. 437 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 6: So when people make that comment, I think I want 438 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 6: to remind people that everyone's genetics are really different. I 439 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 6: know for a fact that my body looks strong even 440 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 6: when I don't feel strong, like I've honestly had abs 441 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 6: since I was eight, as in visible abs since I. 442 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 4: Was like eight, and I just really want to talk 443 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 4: about it and remind people of that now. 444 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: Steph also went on to say that she hoped her 445 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: speaking on the topic wouldn't trigger anyone else. 446 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 4: Let's take a listen. 447 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 6: I don't want anyone to compare themselves to me. I 448 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 6: don't want to I don't want to be sharing this, 449 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 6: and I really really hope that it doesn't like trigger 450 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 6: anyone in anything that I'm saying. I'm trying to be 451 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 6: really conscious of what I'm saying. But there are just 452 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 6: so many factors in my life right now that are 453 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 6: probably making an impact, including like which is something I 454 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 6: haven't really spoken about, but I'm on medication. 455 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 4: Right now that could be contributing as well. Like there's always. 456 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 6: Things like the factors and stuff like that to consider, 457 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 6: so and again, I might not forever be on that medication. 458 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 4: I may be, I may not be. 459 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 6: So I just want to just be really honest with 460 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 6: you guys about what's going on. I'm not like training 461 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 6: back in the gym five. That's not what has happened here. 462 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 6: I don't want anyone to think that I'm trying to 463 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 6: look a certain way. The last thing I want to 464 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 6: do is feed into the bounce back culture. It's something 465 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 6: that I'm really against, and I hate that some of 466 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 6: the attention I'm getting makes me feel like I am 467 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 6: adding to that culture because it's very unintentional. 468 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 4: It's like not at all what I want to be doing. 469 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: And so I just yeah, I just felt like talking 470 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: about it today now. After Steph shared her thoughts about 471 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: her body image, Laura explained that the pair had gone 472 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: back and forth about whether they would speak about the 473 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: topic on the podcast, as it contradicted Kicks values about 474 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: not commenting on other people's bodies. 475 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to what they said. 476 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: Where we landed was it's not black and white. No, 477 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 3: And I think especially within what we do. 478 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 4: We Kick is. 479 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: A health and wellness brand and app, and we have 480 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: workouts on the app, right, And I think what we 481 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 3: spoke about is if you were saying that I am 482 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 3: doing these workouts by my program, by my program, That's 483 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: how I've got this exactly right? Yeah, very different, Then 484 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 3: that is very different to this conversation. 485 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: I thought that was an interesting sentiment because as someone 486 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: who does closely follows Steph Klesmith's Instagram account and has 487 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: been for a number of years, Steph often does share 488 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 2: about the Kick workouts that she's doing. So posting about 489 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: them is that she kind of is essentially saying I've 490 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: got this body from doing these workouts. Or is that 491 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: a bit unfair? 492 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: Well, That's exactly what I was yelling at my phone 493 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: when I listened to this interview. I mean she touched 494 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: on that she may have unintentionally promoted a bounce back culture, 495 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: but we need to remember Steph Glea Smith is a 496 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: very intelligent woman. She has set up this incredible business 497 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: that makes a lot of money, and the messaging of 498 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: Kick is incredibly clever. 499 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 4: It's very of its time. 500 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: It's all about body positivity. It's not about the aesthetic, 501 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: it's about moving your body to feel good. But then 502 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: she posts content that is in complete contradiction to it. 503 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: Because she is known for posting body checks. Feel sorry 504 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: for Kick's co founder Laura Henshaw because I do think 505 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: her messaging aligns with what Kick puts out there. And 506 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: she went on to say that since she's experienced postpartum 507 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: herself and is more informed on the topic, she is 508 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: so much angrier about the bounce back culture. And it 509 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: was quite interesting because she made this comment that there 510 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: are a lot of creators online who sell really expensive 511 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: fitness programs that don't acknowledge the factors that contribute to 512 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: them looking the way they do, for example, genetics, whether 513 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: they're breastfeeding, hormones, et cetera. Almost felt like they were 514 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: taking aim at Rachel Dylan without naming her, and let's 515 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: take a little bit more of a listen. 516 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 3: There's kind of maybe an inferred thing that like through 517 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 3: doing these workouts. That's but that's why I think it's 518 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 3: really important you have spoken about it. 519 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: It's kind of reminding me of when Steph kles Smith 520 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 2: copped a lot of backlash when she was paid to 521 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 2: promote suncream and people were like, hold on a second, 522 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 2: we remember the message that you used to push about 523 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 2: suntanning and that you would lothery yourself up with oils 524 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: and sunbake for hours in the sun. That is the 525 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 2: difficulty when you have been in the public eye for 526 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 2: over ten years and a lot of people have followed 527 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: your life very closely. People remember the type of messaging 528 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 2: that you used to put out. It doesn't mean that 529 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 2: you can't change and evolve though, Yeah. 530 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: But the difference is that Steph's body checks have can 531 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: you throughout having kick I listened to this full segment 532 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: of the Kickpod and my head felt like I was 533 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: going to explode because it was just so utterly confusing. 534 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: I think there were just so many contradictions throughout it, 535 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: and it's like they. 536 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: Can't quite wrap their heads around it. Either they're trying 537 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: to be so politically correct and say the right things. 538 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: But that's the thing, it doesn't come across as authentic 539 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: when as a listener you can pick up on the 540 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: fact that they're second guessing what they're saying. And I mean, 541 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: there was a point where Laura spoke about how triggering 542 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: she found it when people shared weekly body checks. But 543 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: then she suddenly backtracked and said, oh, I like the 544 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: ones where people show their uterus retracting. That's really interesting 545 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: because obviously that's what Steph shared originally when she gave birth. 546 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: So I think there is a bit of conflict between 547 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: what Laura and Steph actually feel as appropriate to share, 548 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: and the issue is that they have their own personal 549 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: platforms that can contradict kicks messaging. In saying all of that, 550 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: Let's throw to this grab from Laura because I could 551 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: almost see the cogs turning in her head trying to 552 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: word this so it didn't offend Steph. Let's take a listen. 553 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 3: And so when I was reflecting on that, and then 554 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 3: I've looked at the like what you've been posting, like 555 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 3: if you ever in the past kind of a few 556 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 3: weeks if you've posted any video where you're not like 557 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 3: completely covered, people are saying you look strong and maybe 558 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 3: like me, they had the assumption that you're exercising a lot. 559 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 3: But that's it's never like. It's not black and white, 560 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 3: and that's not the context. Why I think it was 561 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 3: really important that you speak about it. 562 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 4: I'm interested to hear your thoughts. 563 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: Sophie on how this podcast came across, because for someone 564 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: who has pr and media background, it sounded like damage 565 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 1: control to me, particularly after quite a number of Steph's 566 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: recent rules elicited. 567 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 4: This praising of bounce back culture. That is exactly what 568 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 4: it felt like. 569 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 2: The thing that kind of didn't sit well with me 570 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: was Steph was almost playing the victim, as if she 571 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 2: was offended by all of the comments from people saying 572 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 2: you look fantastic. 573 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get the They were sitting around in this 574 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: meeting going we're in a bit of a pickle here. 575 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: Even though it may not be intentional, Steph looks like 576 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: she's been promoting bounce back culture. 577 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 4: How are we going to get around it? What can 578 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 4: we do? 579 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 3: Hi? Guys? 580 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 4: So we are about to go on a SUPI yacht today. 581 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: Jewles Nil has taken a swipe at her ex husband 582 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: whilst appearing in a TikTok video alongside the who's who 583 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: of Perth. The hairstylist turned influencer recently moved back to 584 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: Perth in the wake of her very public marriage breakdown 585 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: to Brisbane Lions player Locky Neil Now. Jewels won the 586 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: support from the entire nation after speaking out about the 587 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: unimaginable betrayal she experienced at the hands of her husband 588 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: and best friend Tess Crosley. 589 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 2: Yeah And in recent months, the mom of two has 590 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: been using her social media to share her side of 591 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: the story, with a lot of people labeling her moves 592 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: as iconic. And this week she used social media again 593 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: to post a rather blunt public swipe at her ex husband. 594 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: So in the video, Jewels appeared alongside Perth inflam luances 595 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: Jackie Alexander, Rannie Bransbury and the partner of Fremantle player 596 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: Lizzie Brayshaw, and they created one of those trending videos 597 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: where people respond to questions with mock outrage with Jason 598 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 2: Derulo's song what You Say in the background. So in 599 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: the video, Juels is sitting at a cafe when she's 600 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: confronted with the statement you really are good at picking 601 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 2: a husband, and she responded by throwing her hands in 602 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: the air and slamming them down on the table as 603 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: she pretended to storm off. And at that point, Jason 604 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 2: Derulo was singing when the roof caved in and the 605 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: truth came out. I just didn't know what to do now. 606 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: Lizzie Brayshaw was next to feature in the video, and 607 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: she pretended to slap the table and walk off to 608 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: the comment being a wag is not a career move, 609 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: while Jackie Alexander looked disgusted at the statement why didn't 610 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: you marry someone your own age? 611 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 4: Well, Ronnie was met with the comment was being into girls? 612 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 4: Just a face? 613 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: Now. 614 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 4: This clip has gone viral with more than three hundred 615 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 4: and sixty six thousand views. 616 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: I actually didn't even know that these four women were friends. 617 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: That's what blew my mind the most. 618 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense that they are all probably 619 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 2: getting invited to these events in Perth. 620 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: Well I knew that Jackie and Ronnie were friends, but 621 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: not all the other Yeah. 622 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: The comment section was pretty funny. Someone said the premiers 623 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: I'd vote for in Perth, whilst another said I'm obsessed 624 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: with jewels, so she's still winning a lot of fans. 625 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: I wonder if she continues posting in this. 626 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: Manner about Lockie, whether the tide will sort of turn 627 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: a bit and people will be like, get over it. 628 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 629 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: I think that this has an expiry date and it's 630 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: probably coming up soon, But at the moment, I'm. 631 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,959 Speaker 4: Still very much enjoying it. Well, that is where we're 632 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 4: going to leave things today. 633 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: If you enjoy the show, we would love it if 634 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: you could leave us a five star review. Also, if 635 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: you want to hear more content from us, we drop 636 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: a bonus episode every Thursday for Outspoken Plus subscribers. 637 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 4: If you want to. 638 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: Sign up, it's only five ninety nine a month, and 639 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: all the details to do so are in the show notes. Also, 640 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: if you haven't already, make sure you tune into episode 641 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: two of the Mom's Group. In it, we speak about 642 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: a new profession of professional baby namers, so people are 643 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: paying upwards of ten thousand dollars to have people name 644 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: their babies. I mean, they're coming up with some pretty 645 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: bizarre names. We also spoke about the village and whether 646 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: that is still a thing. 647 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty six, for a lot of new mums, 648 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 2: so please check that one out and leave a review. 649 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 2: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the 650 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to 651 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: elders past and present.