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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken.

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Speaker 2: The podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking.

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Speaker 1: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets.

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Speaker 2: But we often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things

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Speaker 2: can get heated. Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment,

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Speaker 2: and issues facing women.

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Speaker 1: That is so fatch.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Happy Friday, everyone, and welcome to another episode

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Speaker 2: of Outspoken. Now, Kate, I hear it's been a very

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Speaker 2: expensive week for you. Yes, my bank account has taken

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Speaker 2: quite a hit this week. So I dropped my car

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Speaker 2: off for a well overdue service because you guys had

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Speaker 2: got your service last week, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And when you say overdue, you kind of oh no,

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Speaker 2: actually you had yours two years ago, didn't you. But

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Speaker 2: SOFH and I got our service and we had literally

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Speaker 2: never got them service.

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Speaker 1: Before, and our cars are ten years old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so my car has been driving like shit. I'll

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Speaker 2: be honest. I thought there might be a few things

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Speaker 2: wrong with it. However, well, when I received the call

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Speaker 2: at lunch time, which was the time I was meant

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Speaker 2: to be picking my car up from service, I was

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Speaker 2: told that there was hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth

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Speaker 2: of things that they needed to change. There were words

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Speaker 2: that I'd never heard before. I had to actually grab

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Speaker 2: a notebook and start writing it down with the prices

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Speaker 1: This was going to cost me. So what was actually

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Speaker 1: wrong with the car?

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Speaker 2: Well, as I said, there were a lot of words

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Speaker 2: used that I didn't quite understand. But there was something

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Speaker 2: to do with like break pads and a knock sensor

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Speaker 2: that apparently is really important with your car. I needed

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Speaker 2: a few tires, and there was something else. Anyway, it

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Speaker 2: was it was a big hassle. I've got two out

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Speaker 2: of the four things done. However, whilst driving to drop

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Speaker 2: my car off for service, I had an incident, so

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Speaker 2: that could have cost me a lot more money, so

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Speaker 2: maybe I should.

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Speaker 1: Be quite happy what actually happened.

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Speaker 2: Well, so one of the issues with my car is

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Speaker 2: that my key, you know when you press it it's

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Speaker 2: meant to open like as a transponder key, the battery

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Speaker 2: out and manually open it, which I'm fine with.

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Speaker 1: However, now there's another hurdle. The key gets stuck in

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Speaker 2: Then have to like put everything down and go back

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Speaker 2: upstairs and get a knife. A night, so I was

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Speaker 2: running late, Yeah, like to get it out the keys hold,

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Speaker 2: why don't you just not clip it back in? Well

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Speaker 2: used to playing with it a new body cut anyway,

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Speaker 2: So I put my smoothie on top of the car

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Speaker 2: and my laptop on top of the car, and I

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Speaker 2: also had two bags because I bought some shopping bags

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Speaker 2: down to bag up the garbage that was in my car. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: So I've then had to hold all the stuff back

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Speaker 2: which I realized was my Smoothie that I was very

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Speaker 2: much like. I then hear another thud and see my laptop,

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Speaker 2: my work laptop is not fine. Smash to the ground

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Speaker 2: and a big thud, and I'm thinking, fuck, how am

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Speaker 2: I don't know how what kind of laptop is there?

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately Lenovo it's a block of laptop. It's not like

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Speaker 2: to smootherings. Unfortunately, I actually thought maybe my smoothie might

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Speaker 2: but no, I lifted the cup up and the bottom

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Speaker 1: Of the time that you drove off when you had

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Speaker 2: That was me and my iPod. This is how back

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Speaker 2: I should be telling this story, but that reminds me

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Speaker 2: of when an acquaintance so their phone got I think

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Speaker 2: back to the phone shop, but the people wouldn't take it,

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Speaker 2: and they said, oh, you know, you've got to go

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Speaker 2: been you know, smashed and unrepairable. It fell out of

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Speaker 2: their pocket anyway, So they drove over the phone a

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Speaker 1: To go over so many times to actually break the bell.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to hear if anyone else has had issues

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Speaker 2: servicing their car like this, or just being a complete

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Speaker 2: put a thread in our Facebook community. I'd also like

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Speaker 2: to know do people know that they're meant to get

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Speaker 2: their car serviced quite a lot? Because I feel like

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Speaker 2: that was something that maybe we should have been taught

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Speaker 2: I did think it was like your safety was in

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Speaker 2: danger if you didn't get it done. Here's everybody's reminder,

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Speaker 2: go and get your card service.

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Speaker 1: It's really not worth it if you don't.

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Speaker 2: I am Charlie Damolia be Noli from Tektak TikTok. Star

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Speaker 2: Charlie Demilio and her family are set to star in

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Speaker 2: their own reality TV show, airing September third. The trailer

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Speaker 2: for the original Hulu series was released this week and

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Speaker 2: it looks incredible. Now, Amy, can you tell me more

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Speaker 2: about the show? Yeah, well, it's been appropriately named the

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Speaker 2: Dmilio Show, and a lot of people are already drawing

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Speaker 2: comparisons to Keeping Up with the Kardashians. But people are

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Speaker 2: saying this is a new generation of the Kardashians. And

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Speaker 2: I've got to say, when I was watching the trailer,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they look so much.

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Speaker 2: you look at how many people of following both Charlie

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Speaker 2: TikTok than Kim Kardashian. The thing is, I'm wondering whether

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: The success of the Kardashians was that there were so

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Speaker 2: many different characters, as you said, Kate, to make the

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Speaker 2: and whether they have great storylines.

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Speaker 1: I feel like jen Zeter's are very flippant with who

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Speaker 2: You know, they might be following her on TikTok, but

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Speaker 2: it doesn't mean they want to know an awful lot

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Speaker 1: You know, you think of.

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Speaker 2: How quick those TikTok videos are, are they going to

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Speaker 2: it will be really interesting to see how organic this

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Speaker 1: It is really interesting.

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Speaker 2: I must say the trailer didn't disappoint because it showed

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Speaker 1: You sounded so old saying you've got to get on

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Speaker 1: the apps. Is TikTok the new sex tape?

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Speaker 2: Because we look at Kim Kardashi and she basically got

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Speaker 2: a sex tape. No, to be fair, I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: the sex tape came out just as the show was

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 2: I would draw more comparisons between the hype Pouce and

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Speaker 2: the High Palce and that's what got her a lot

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Speaker 2: Jessica Simpson, they were all part of the Mickey mouse Club,

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Speaker 2: like that's a little bit different because the High House.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose.

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Speaker 2: Yet, social media is kind of the platform that TV

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Speaker 1: But all of those.

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Speaker 2: People that were in the Mickey Mouse Club were relatively unknown.

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Speaker 2: In the hyphe Pals, they all have their own following

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Speaker 2: and they're all joining their followings together to then hopefully

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Speaker 1: So obviously it's a slightly different concept.

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Speaker 2: Well, after Charlie was in The High Pals, that's when

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Speaker 2: she was signed to a huge LA management company called

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Speaker 1: So this is where this big TV deal.

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Speaker 2: Has come from, because I think this management company would

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Speaker 2: And then we've also got Hanging with the Hambros which

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Speaker 1: It's another thing.

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Speaker 3: What is incredible about you? And I think other influences

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Speaker 2: Well do you think that's why they've brought out the

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Speaker 2: So it is good to see influencers passing down deals

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Speaker 2: to settle on a name for their daughter. The couple

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Speaker 2: announce their pregnancy back in March and are only a

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Speaker 2: few weeks away from having their baby, so they explain

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Speaker 2: in a recent YouTube video that they do have a

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Speaker 2: name in mind, but they don't want to commit to

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Speaker 2: it because they may change their mind. Alfie said that

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Speaker 2: they really want to see their daughter's face first, see

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Speaker 2: if the name suits her. This really has el Derby

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Speaker 2: vibes because that's exactly what happened to Elle and her

447
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Speaker 2: partner con They decided months before what they were naming

448
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Speaker 2: their baby and made the switch a week before he

449
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Speaker 2: was born, and they wanted to see his face. It

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Speaker 2: seems like seeing the baby's a big part of actually

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Speaker 2: naming it.

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Speaker 1: I don't blame them.

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Speaker 2: It's like when you get a dog or a cat,

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Speaker 2: you kind of need to see what they look like

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Speaker 2: to see if they suit their day. We named our

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Speaker 2: cats Bentley and Gig before seeing them, but we saw

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Speaker 2: photos of them, remember, Yeah, but I think we chosen

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Speaker 2: their name before. It's funny because I think some people

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Speaker 2: just have these names that they want to have for

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Speaker 2: a very long time. But then I feel like when

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Speaker 2: it comes down to the crunch, there is that panic. Okay,

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Speaker 2: what is everyone? If you had to name your child now,

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Speaker 2: what would you name them? Olivia or I'm assuming a

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Speaker 2: girl I want to call my child. I know it's

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Speaker 2: going to be a fight to that name. Well, I

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Speaker 2: want Jack as well for a boy. See I like

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Speaker 2: Jack as well. God, this is going to be difficult

468
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Speaker 2: that Breeze.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't like it.

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Speaker 2: Olivia and Jack sound really cute. They sounded family word

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Speaker 2: POSTI fancy they sound quite fancy. Yeah, like I think

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Speaker 2: Jack Turner sounds nice.

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Speaker 1: It does? Is that actually someone else's name, a footy

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Speaker 1: player's name or something. I've got a google it. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Now back to Zoela.

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Speaker 2: In this YouTube video, she shared details about her baby shower.

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Speaker 1: But what I really liked is.

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Speaker 2: That she and Alfie have renamed the baby shower and

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Speaker 2: they are calling it a pre baby party. And the

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Speaker 2: reason for that is that they said it's not a

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Speaker 2: typical baby shower as they've only invited a handful of

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Speaker 2: friends and all genders were coming. They also didn't want

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Speaker 2: the whole day to be about lame baby games.

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Speaker 1: Have you guys heard that? Though?

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Speaker 2: People are doing this too in Australia where it's a

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Speaker 2: babyqueue and so all the guys and girls are invited.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys like that, like, would you do a

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Speaker 2: baby cue or would you just want it all girls? Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand why it is only all girls. I

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Speaker 2: think it's nice to involve everyone because the dad has

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Speaker 2: just as much to do with the baby as you'd

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Speaker 2: hope the mum would. I went to a joint baby

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Speaker 2: shower back in like twenty fourteen when I was living

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Speaker 2: in Melbourne, and I think it's probably the best baby

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Speaker 2: shower I've actually been to. It's a bit like Hen's

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Speaker 2: parties because the other day we were talking about your

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Speaker 2: Hen's party, Kate, with our cousins and we were saying

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Speaker 2: how we wanted them to be there and their men,

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Speaker 2: and it just it seems odd to have guys at

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Speaker 2: a hen's party. It's very old school to be doing,

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Speaker 2: you know, only girls and only boys. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: like when there's this assumption that you have to have

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Speaker 2: female bridesmaids, and like there's a lot of people that

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Speaker 2: have best male friends. I mean, I'd love my cousins

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Speaker 2: to be a part of my wedding party too. It

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Speaker 2: just seems funny that it's very gendered. Yeah, definitely. Well,

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Speaker 2: going back to Zoella's party, one game that she had,

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Speaker 2: which I reckon we all need to incorporate into our

509
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Speaker 2: own baby showers one day, is that every guest brought

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Speaker 2: along a baby photo.

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Speaker 1: So basically this was the one game they had, So.

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Speaker 2: You have to go and guess which baby photo belongs

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Speaker 2: to which person, And I thought this was a really

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Speaker 2: cute way to break the eyes with people you may

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Speaker 2: not know. I feel like a lot of people would

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Speaker 2: be able to tell our baby photos, considering there'd be

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Speaker 2: three that look exactly the same.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of work.

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Speaker 2: Though, because can you imagine being invited to this baby

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Speaker 2: shower and then being like, oh shit, I haven't even

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Speaker 2: got a photo of myself, and then having to get

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Speaker 2: a photo of your partner as a baby as well,

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Speaker 2: and you have to go to your parents' house and

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Speaker 2: get it out of the photo album and walking text

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Speaker 2: it to me.

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a nice idea, but you guys

528
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Speaker 2: also might think that this other part of the baby

529
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Speaker 2: shower was a bit too much work too. So instead

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Speaker 2: of normal presence, they asked everyone to bring along their

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Speaker 2: old favorite childhood books, so obviously a new version of

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Speaker 2: their childhood.

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Speaker 1: Book series a gift as a gift. I love this.

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Speaker 2: Idea because sometimes you're just going to get stuck with

535
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Speaker 2: all these toys that aren't age appropriate for the child

536
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Speaker 2: you've got nowhere to store them. I think this is

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Speaker 2: a really personal, personal thing to do.

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Speaker 1: It just sounds like too much work. To be honest,

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Speaker 1: it goes along to this baby shower.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't be bothered, to be honest, But also

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's so I feel like yourself in

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Speaker 2: that put yourself in the shoes of someone who's been invited.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you're the partner of you know, yeah, and you're

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Speaker 2: expected to bring.

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Speaker 1: All this, your own photo and the book and almost

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Speaker 1: I think is that bad?

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Speaker 2: I mean, they've only invited close friends, so it's only

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Speaker 2: people who are going to want to be bothered. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this is a very influencer thing to do,

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Speaker 2: because as you were saying, oh, they won't get all

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Speaker 2: this crap that's not age appropriate. But do you think

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Speaker 2: it's because they already expect to get basically all the

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Speaker 2: stuff they need for their child because of their platform,

554
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Speaker 2: then they're.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, well, well let's get something sentimental like everyone's favorite.

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Speaker 2: Nah. To be honest, I think it's because Alfie and

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Speaker 2: Zoela are so wealthy that they probably feel bad expecting,

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Speaker 2: you know, expensive gifts from their family members. I would

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Speaker 2: totally bring the Hungry Hungry Caterpillar if I was bringing.

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Speaker 1: Up that book. How good is that book? What would

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Speaker 1: you bring? So Vic I feel like you remember that

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Speaker 1: hippop book. Oh, were they dressed up for dinner? No,

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Speaker 1: it's an elephant.

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Speaker 2: No, there's a book about there's an elephant mum and

565
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Speaker 2: she just wants to get ready to go up for

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Speaker 2: dinner with their friends, and her child is being so

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Speaker 2: naughty and she finally pulls herself together, and then at

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Speaker 2: the end of the book, she walks out of the

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Speaker 2: house and she's sat on her eyeshadow palette.

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Speaker 1: I could relate to that, well, not having kids, but

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Speaker 1: I can relate to running late.

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Speaker 2: See I would bring along mister Plunket's pool. I'd really

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Speaker 2: be interested to know. I know, we just said it

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Speaker 2: was amy and I said it was a lame idea,

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Speaker 2: but I would love to know it.

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Speaker 1: But I would like to start a thread.

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Speaker 2: In our community to see what everyone else's favorite.

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Speaker 1: Childhood books were.

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Speaker 2: Now, what do you guys think about this theory that

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Speaker 2: was raised in Soella's vlog? So they are really trying

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Speaker 2: to work out what the kid's going to look like.

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Speaker 2: Obviously they've been looking at these family photos of one

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Speaker 2: another trying to pick out characteristics that the baby may have.

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Speaker 2: So some of Soella's followers have been writing in saying

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Speaker 2: that from their experience, the first daughter always looks like

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Speaker 2: the farm.

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Speaker 1: Oh I have heard that before. Does I mean I

588
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Speaker 1: look like dad?

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Speaker 2: Well? Dad did pick my name out because Mom apparently

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Speaker 2: got two picks because I suppose she'd been carrying triplets around,

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Speaker 2: and then dad got to pick the firstborn.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why that was decided.

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Speaker 2: But well, it's only fair to choose the name of

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Speaker 2: the child that looks like you as well. I'm currently

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Speaker 2: trying to think of daughters that have been born to

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Speaker 2: think if they look like their dads, and I actually

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Speaker 2: think that that is the case. I do feel like

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Speaker 2: they do. You know, daughters do strongly feature some of

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Speaker 2: their dad's characteristics.

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Speaker 1: Who were first born?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you say first born, does that mean even

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Speaker 2: if like there's a second born, but it's a first

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Speaker 2: daughter that still counts. So is it literally just the

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Speaker 2: daughters look like they're only only firstborn daughter? Okay, okay,

605
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: it's a firstborn that they look like their dad. Though, well,

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Speaker 2: the dad might be very attractive. It doesn't mean that

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00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: they look manly. It just means they've got characteristics. Who

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Speaker 2: wants to hear they look like their dad? Though I'd hardly,

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Speaker 2: so that's a big compliment. Well, I think that's all

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Speaker 2: joining us again, and if you did like the show,

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