Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
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Speaker 1: back guys to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris,
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Speaker 1: our television industry and our streaming services. Today on the podcast,
Speaker 1: I have Nigel and Theresa from The Traders, and while
Speaker 1: both brought something different to the series, they certainly made
Speaker 1: an impact in their own way. I have been lucky
Speaker 1: enough to chat with many of the contestants as the
Speaker 1: series went on, but I certainly have been looking forward
Speaker 1: to having some time with both of today's guests. I
Speaker 1: don't even think you need to have watched the show
Speaker 1: to get something out of these chats today. Amazing insights
Speaker 1: from Nigel and a great laugh from Terresa. Nigel's story
Speaker 1: is quite familiar to many, as prior to his time
Speaker 1: on The Traders, he was a photojournalist who was held
Speaker 1: hostage in Somalia for four hundred and sixty days. He
Speaker 1: was held ransom until his family paid six hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand US dollars to release him, and he
Speaker 1: now works as an extortion response consultant. He joined The
Speaker 1: Traders with a backstory like no other. Teresa is an
Speaker 1: MC who can command a crowd of ten thousand people.
Speaker 1: She's a DJ, manages drag queens, runs netball clubs, is
Speaker 1: a mum and took this opportunity to join The Traders
Speaker 1: to prove something to herself and her community. We will
Speaker 1: talk about Nigel's decision to join the show, what series
Speaker 1: he was originally slated for, and we will talk about
Speaker 1: his courage to overcome his harrowing story and how he
Speaker 1: has managed to turn his life around. Then Teresa will
Speaker 1: give us some hilarious insights into her life and her
Speaker 1: time on the show. I certainly suggest you stick around
Speaker 1: for her Tiger Watiti story, which we'll have you laughing
Speaker 1: for days. However, let's get started with today's gat. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome Nigel and Theresa from The Traders
Speaker 1: to TV Reload.
Speaker 2: Would you be interested in going on a reality TV show.
Speaker 2: We've been sort of checking you out and we think
Speaker 2: you'd be a good.
Speaker 1: Fit previously on the Traders.
Speaker 3: Coming out of that. If you don't make it that
Speaker 3: that's your dreams on.
Speaker 4: What you four guests descend it upon our mysterious hotel.
Speaker 2: I'm very aware that my backstory is. You know, certainly
Speaker 2: it is quite juicy for a reality TV.
Speaker 1: The faithful job is to banish who they think is
Speaker 1: a traitor.
Speaker 4: You need to get rid of them so that you
Speaker 4: could concentrate.
Speaker 1: The point of it all is to be the last
Speaker 1: person standing to win what could be And i've seen
Speaker 1: amount of money in server bars.
Speaker 2: Maybe in series two they try that so that there
Speaker 2: is more engagement from a viewers point of view.
Speaker 1: Hi. Hi, everybody amazing because they get to talk to you.
Speaker 5: Oh thanks, Mane. That's kind of him.
Speaker 1: Let me just check some technical stuff, mate.
Speaker 2: I wish I was talking to you in a couple
Speaker 2: of day time with two hundred and fifty km my
Speaker 2: back pocket.
Speaker 1: I know, and I don't know if you've listened to me.
Speaker 1: I've been interviewing a lot of the people coming off
Speaker 1: the show and you, I mean, my favorite has changed,
Speaker 1: but you were my current favorite. You were who I
Speaker 1: wanted to win, and I'm I'm just I'm annoyed.
Speaker 5: Who was your original favorite? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 2: If I wasn't there, if I wasn't the OG favorite,
Speaker 2: then I'm disappointed.
Speaker 4: Ben.
Speaker 1: You know, you were always there. So like for me,
Speaker 1: I liked Claire, did you? I did? And it's a
Speaker 1: funny thing because she kind of reminds me a lot
Speaker 1: of my friends in the sense that we wear our
Speaker 1: emotion on our face, and I think that she Anyway,
Speaker 1: we're going to get into this in the podcast, so
Speaker 1: we'll talk. Yeah, for sure, Sure we'll get into it.
Speaker 1: It's fine. Hi, Nigel, how are you Ben?
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I am really shocked. I mean, I'm shocked to have
Speaker 1: you here. What do you think went wrong?
Speaker 2: Ah, there was a myriad of things. I think I'm
Speaker 2: too loyal and I'm too honest, and.
Speaker 5: My pinky promise got me in trouble. But you know.
Speaker 2: It's it's my little boy and I pinky promise each
Speaker 2: other things. And when you make a pinky promise, you
Speaker 2: can't break it. And even my partner was like, it's
Speaker 2: a game. You could have broken the pinky promise You're
Speaker 2: still to love you if you had a broad hand
Speaker 2: cutter on million dollars, And it's like yeah, but it's
Speaker 2: the ethics behind it. It's like it's something that I
Speaker 2: live by and I die by.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: What's really interesting is that you're so popular amongst the
Speaker 1: other contestants. I've been so lucky to talk to so
Speaker 1: many of them, and everyone has spoken so well of you.
Speaker 1: I want to know, though, why do you think that
Speaker 1: people gravitate towards you so well?
Speaker 2: Partially because of my experience obviously is a hostage I
Speaker 2: think coming out of that experience and when you are
Speaker 2: isolated from people for such a long period of time,
Speaker 2: humans do not bode well being isolated from one another
Speaker 2: because we are such social animals. And I think I love,
Speaker 2: you know, meeting new people, and I like to make
Speaker 2: people feel comfortable and relaxed. So going into the show,
Speaker 2: it was really important, like in my kidnapping, you know,
Speaker 2: with thirteen hostage takers, wanting them to see me as
Speaker 2: a human being and someone who that they liked, so
Speaker 2: it was harder for them to kill me, you know,
Speaker 2: in that experience. I guess in this experience making them
Speaker 2: like me so that they didn't banish me, because I
Speaker 2: obviously couldn't be murdered once I was chosen as a trader.
Speaker 2: But I really love people, and from my point of view,
Speaker 2: I think we have something to learn from every single
Speaker 2: person that comes into our life. And if you don't
Speaker 2: have that outlook in life, then you're going to miss
Speaker 2: a really important lesson.
Speaker 1: What I kept thinking about was do you think that
Speaker 1: the experience in your kidnapping, you know, what happened in Somalia,
Speaker 1: did that help you understand people more? Or was it
Speaker 1: something that you already had.
Speaker 2: I got to ask quite a lot of people say
Speaker 2: how did you Why do you think you survived experience?
Speaker 2: And I said, well, look, there's a lot of things
Speaker 2: I think. You know, I grew up on a large
Speaker 2: broad acre farm in between Maury and Gunderlin in northwest
Speaker 2: New South Wales, and I guess coming off the land
Speaker 2: you learn to deal with I guess difficulties and things
Speaker 2: don't always go to plan. You know, as a farmer,
Speaker 2: you're reliant on the rain, so you have good seasons,
Speaker 2: you have really bad seasons, but you just do with
Speaker 2: what you get dealt I also think the fact that
Speaker 2: I had two older brothers. But I also think then
Speaker 2: going to boarding school, like I went to a country
Speaker 2: boarding school in Abada because we were one hundred kilometers
Speaker 2: from the nearest high school. So having that separation from
Speaker 2: my family was something that I had learned from a
Speaker 2: young age to deal with, Like I went to boarding
Speaker 2: school when I was twelve. So those sorts of things
Speaker 2: I think allowed me to put me on I guess,
Speaker 2: a path to survive my kidnapping. But I think also
Speaker 2: because I have a love of trouble and a love
Speaker 2: of culture, and you know, I guess when you get
Speaker 2: trawn into to a group of thirteen people that driven
Speaker 2: by grades. For me, it was about trying to survive
Speaker 2: that experience. And I can remember coming out of it
Speaker 2: and talking to the psychologist from the ADF that the
Speaker 2: Australian government had brought across to Kenny once I was released,
Speaker 2: and he'd said, like, you know, what survival skills did
Speaker 2: you put in? I was like, man zero, and he's like, well,
Speaker 2: did you talk to your captains? I was like yeah,
Speaker 2: of course. He's like, well, that's a survival skill. He's like,
Speaker 2: did you share food with him? I was like yeah,
Speaker 2: because I were hungry. He's like, so that's a survival skill.
Speaker 2: He's like, did you convert to Islam's like yeah, and
Speaker 2: he's like, well, there's a survival So he started telling
Speaker 2: me all of those survival skills that I didn't even
Speaker 2: realize that I had implemented. So I think as humans
Speaker 2: were very adaptable if you're open to it as well,
Speaker 2: and I think for me, I would like to think
Speaker 2: that I'm a very open person, and you know, when
Speaker 2: something new comes across my marado, I was like, well,
Speaker 2: what is that, Let's investigate that and see what it is.
Speaker 2: And you know, when thereportunity arose to go on Traders,
Speaker 2: it was like absolutely like first series, no expectation, not
Speaker 2: going to be able to take any gameplay in other
Speaker 2: than our personalities. That was really exciting to sort of
Speaker 2: walk into a show knowing that we're going to be
Speaker 2: you know, upwards of twenty other people, not really knowing
Speaker 2: the rules of the game either. Until we'd sort of
Speaker 2: all landed in Sydney and then we're given a rule
Speaker 2: book two days before we actually went in. It was
Speaker 2: just like, right, this is going to be mental. There's
Speaker 2: going to be some carnage along the way and hopefully
Speaker 2: I can just dodge some bullets at the start, and
Speaker 2: hopefully I can be picked as a trader, you know,
Speaker 2: And that was one of my absolute goals, is I
Speaker 2: wanted to be one of the bad guys.
Speaker 1: It's just such a role reversal. It means a lot
Speaker 1: of things. I want to get into a little bit
Speaker 1: about why you said yes to doing the show in
Speaker 1: a minute, but I also just wanted to say you've
Speaker 1: been able to make a career out of a terrible,
Speaker 1: terrible situation that gives That gave me pause for thought
Speaker 1: on how we all need to get on the our
Speaker 1: lives even when the most unthinkable things can happen to us.
Speaker 1: Is that one of the reasons why you've been able
Speaker 1: to share your story so easily is to encourage other
Speaker 1: people to get on with their lives when sometimes we
Speaker 1: all have something horrible things happen to us.
Speaker 2: We all face traumas and that's just part of life.
Speaker 2: And it's like, when I speak as a public speaker,
Speaker 2: I talk about trauma in a way, it's like having
Speaker 2: to eat a shit sandwich. All of us is going
Speaker 2: to have to do it at some point in our lives,
Speaker 2: whether it's a loss of the parent or a child,
Speaker 2: or a job, or trauma affects us all differently, but
Speaker 2: you can't run away from it. You have to face it.
Speaker 2: You have to embrace it, and when you come out
Speaker 2: the other side, you have the potential to grow from
Speaker 2: that and grow in a great way. For me, you know,
Speaker 2: I lost fifteen months of my life, a lot of
Speaker 2: it's sitting in a room shackled like an animal. And
Speaker 2: I came out of that experience and it was like, well,
Speaker 2: I've really got two options here. I can have a
Speaker 2: pity party and sit in the corner and say, wow,
Speaker 2: it's made my life was parable, or it's like I
Speaker 2: can actually just pull up my socks and say right,
Speaker 2: let's get on with it, like I'm alive, I'm back
Speaker 2: home with my family, Like, let's see what opportunities come
Speaker 2: out of this.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you took this opportunity to take
Speaker 1: this story to another level and let more people hear
Speaker 1: your story. I think that currency of sharing our experiences
Speaker 1: is so important, it's so potent, and it can touch
Speaker 1: people in so many different ways. The Traders was probably
Speaker 1: the last place that I was going to find something
Speaker 1: that I needed in my life right now, which was
Speaker 1: you just keep going. And I learned that from you,
Speaker 1: which I want to say thank you for. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure that there's plenty of people watching the show that
Speaker 1: you know would feel the same way because you are
Speaker 1: an inspirational survivor.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: That's very kind of you look And it's weird, like
Speaker 2: you know, coming into the show. For me, I guess
Speaker 2: my kidnapping is a very defining thing in my life,
Speaker 2: and going into the show, I didn't want that to
Speaker 2: be because it can overtake any sort of social situation
Speaker 2: where people are like, oh my god, you've been kidnapped,
Speaker 2: let's talk about it, and it's just for me. It
Speaker 2: was like, I don't I don't want that in this experience.
Speaker 2: What I want to do is to be able to
Speaker 2: use that skill set that I've learned. If it is
Speaker 2: a Hail Mary that I need, then I can pull
Speaker 2: it out and pull it out.
Speaker 5: Of my hat at the end.
Speaker 2: But I didn't want that to be what this experience
Speaker 2: was about. I wanted to sort of go in there
Speaker 2: with a clean sheet, no one knowing who I was.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously, if I was outed by someone that
Speaker 2: recognized me. Then I was going to deal with it,
Speaker 2: but it never happened.
Speaker 1: Do you think if everyone had known your story, that
Speaker 1: maybe empathy or maybe other emotions might have clouded their judgment.
Speaker 1: I mean, and they might not have wanted to go
Speaker 1: after you. I just wondered whether or not it might
Speaker 1: have been a tactic that looking at it from a
Speaker 1: different angle, that's all.
Speaker 2: Look absolutely, And I thought about that, like, you know,
Speaker 2: I could have I pulled the the poor me I was,
Speaker 2: you know, I was taken as a hostage in my family,
Speaker 2: had to play six hundred and seventy five thousand US dollars.
Speaker 2: And the reason I'm coming on to the show is
Speaker 2: to basically pay back some debts. It felt icky to
Speaker 2: do that, so for me, it wasn't really and it
Speaker 2: wasn't true like I've spent the last decade, you know,
Speaker 2: working to pay back people that I felt that I
Speaker 2: need it to pay back.
Speaker 1: Did you apply for the show? What did they come
Speaker 1: after you? I mean, your story lends so well and
Speaker 1: is so fascinating and so interesting. For some reason, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine you're sitting there on Facebook or seeing and
Speaker 1: ad for this show and going, okay, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do this to me, it seems like something that would
Speaker 1: have been sought out.
Speaker 2: Look two years ago, when I was I would call
Speaker 2: it headhunted. I guess, so it was weird. I was
Speaker 2: sitting in a ten day silent retreat for passner meditation,
Speaker 2: which I quite like doing, and that's a good reboot
Speaker 2: for the body, mind and soul and your mind sort
Speaker 2: of wonders, and I was like, I just imagine if
Speaker 2: I went on Survivor and one of the challenges was like,
Speaker 2: who can sit, meditate.
Speaker 5: Not move for the longest. I was like, I would
Speaker 5: smash that. I would crush it.
Speaker 2: And about four days after coming out, I got a
Speaker 2: phone call and they're like, Hi, is this Nigel. I
Speaker 2: was like yeah, and they're like, hey, would you be
Speaker 2: interested in going on a reality TV show? We've been
Speaker 2: sort of checking you out and we think you'd be
Speaker 2: a good fit. And I was like, oh, look, really
Speaker 2: not my thing unless it was Survivor and they're like,
Speaker 2: that's what we're calling for. And that was the Brains
Speaker 2: Versus Braun series and I had to obviously regretfully say
Speaker 2: no because my partner had just given birth three months earlier,
Speaker 2: and look, I kept in contact with Endemol was I
Speaker 2: was really can to do another Survivor, you know series
Speaker 2: if one came up, And then my contact at Endemol said, look,
Speaker 2: Survivor's really tough because if you don't fit the theme,
Speaker 2: it's very specific. So I'd actually applied for the Blood
Speaker 2: Verst Water with my brother. You know, in hindsight, I
Speaker 2: probably should have done it with my sister because she
Speaker 2: was at the hostage and the negotiating. It would have
Speaker 2: been great television. But they said, look, we're not sure
Speaker 2: what the next series is, but there's another series that
Speaker 2: we're thinking about that we're about to basically buy and
Speaker 2: going for it. And they said, look, have a look,
Speaker 2: have a look at the application. If you're interested, then
Speaker 2: you know, we'd certainly love to talk to you about it.
Speaker 5: Looked at it, looked at the.
Speaker 2: Application, threw some stuff together and sent it off to them,
Speaker 2: and they said, look, we think you're going to be
Speaker 2: brilliant at this. Your skill set and your story and look,
Speaker 2: I'm very aware that my backstories you know, certainly is
Speaker 2: quite juicy for reality TV. But you know, I'd like
Speaker 2: to also think that what I brought to the Traders
Speaker 2: was more than just my backstory, and I think I
Speaker 2: sort of showed that in the show.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like it was being exploited either, which
Speaker 1: I thought was really well done by EndemolShine Australia, you know,
Speaker 1: which I thought is really important to saying yes. But
Speaker 1: I had wondered whether you being in a high pressure
Speaker 1: situation might be too triggering for you.
Speaker 2: Look, I don't really, I guess after my experience, I
Speaker 2: did a lot of work and it was funny, like
Speaker 2: the only thing that I found triggering in the whole
Speaker 2: thing was the swim challenge, you know, when when anger sort.
Speaker 5: Of pulled me under, and not that it scared me,
Speaker 5: but it.
Speaker 2: Actually triggered me back to my childhood having two older brothers,
Speaker 2: you know, on and above ground pool that used to
Speaker 2: dunk you all the time and I hold.
Speaker 5: You under water.
Speaker 2: But look, I love I think when you put yourself
Speaker 2: into high pressure situations, you really you know, it is
Speaker 2: a sort of sink or swim situation.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I came out of my hostage experience and had sort
Speaker 2: of three years to recover. And John Chase, who my
Speaker 2: family ended up bringing on after twelve months of my
Speaker 2: kidnapp ordeal, private kidnapp for ants some experts. I'd obviously
Speaker 2: spent some time after my release with John and his
Speaker 2: wife and had gone to the UK and so got
Speaker 2: to meet his kids and stuff. And I rang John
Speaker 2: and I said I want a job with you, and
Speaker 2: he sort of laughed and he's like, what do you
Speaker 2: mean you want a job? I said, well, I want
Speaker 2: to be a hostage negotiator. And he's like, mate, it's
Speaker 2: just because you were taking and as a hostage doesn't
Speaker 2: mean you can.
Speaker 5: Do what I do.
Speaker 2: And he sort of laughed at me, and I said, well,
Speaker 2: look at it the other way, like the knowledge that
Speaker 2: I can bring and you know, going into an executive suite,
Speaker 2: into a family and sort of saying well, look I've
Speaker 2: had an experience firsthand and I've survived fifteen months as
Speaker 2: a hostage could be absolutely amazing for the company. And
Speaker 2: he sort of thought about it. He's like, actually, yeah,
Speaker 2: I can see where you're coming from. And he said, look,
Speaker 2: I'm going to put you through a fairly intense training
Speaker 2: scenarios and if you come through that, then we'll look
Speaker 2: at bringing you on board. And obviously past that and
Speaker 2: John had sort of said to me, look, you know
Speaker 2: we'll slowly bleed you in as a third responder and
Speaker 2: then second responder, and we'll work you up to a
Speaker 2: first responder.
Speaker 5: And I've got a.
Speaker 2: Phone call a couple of months later and John said,
Speaker 2: we've got a case. Are you're interested? And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: what's the case and he said, well, it's a hostage
Speaker 2: taken in Syria by Isis by the Beatles.
Speaker 5: And it's just like, it's not a good news story,
Speaker 5: is it, John?
Speaker 2: He said, well, no, like the likelihood of survival is
Speaker 2: pretty low, but what do you think And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty much a sink or swim, isn't it.
Speaker 2: He said, well, yeah, if you don't take it, I
Speaker 2: probably won't offer you again. And it was just like
Speaker 2: right out, well let's jump in. Let's you know, let's
Speaker 2: put my skills set to work, and you know I
Speaker 2: can learn stuff from John and from the first responder.
Speaker 2: So I sort of basically slipped straight into a second
Speaker 2: responder roll. And you know, worked on that case for
Speaker 2: sixty days and it was it was intense, and you know,
Speaker 2: we didn't get the outcome when we wanted, which is
Speaker 2: the safe and timely release of the hostage and we
Speaker 2: ended up losing the hostage. He was executed, which was
Speaker 2: incredibly distressing for the family.
Speaker 1: I mean, it takes a brave person to take their
Speaker 1: situation and use it for the greater good, and I
Speaker 1: think that's something that you've done. Just listening to that
Speaker 1: story is just so moving. Like I just think, I
Speaker 1: don't know how sometimes people have the courage and the
Speaker 1: conviction to go and turn their bad situation into a
Speaker 1: good situation. But it's something that you've done and something
Speaker 1: that you've learned, something you'll probably be able to use again.
Speaker 1: But do you have enough gas in the tank to
Speaker 1: go and do that sort of work again.
Speaker 2: If I was called upon to do it, because I
Speaker 2: do want to be able to give something back and
Speaker 2: I want to be able to, you know, whether it's
Speaker 2: a family or a corporate situation, sort of to be
Speaker 2: able to make people feel that there is light at
Speaker 2: the end of the tunnel. And you know, kidnapped for
Speaker 2: ransom all sounds very mysterious, but the way the way
Speaker 2: that you negotiate a kidnap is actually quite simple. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a commodity which is a hostage, and there's a
Speaker 2: there's a buyer, which is generally a family or a corporation.
Speaker 2: So it's it's a pretty simple sort of deal of
Speaker 2: where you've got a hostage and we've got money. Let's let's,
Speaker 2: you know, let's swap. And yes, there are some tree
Speaker 2: bits that you've got a maneuver through through that. But
Speaker 2: you know, if I was asked again to jump in,
Speaker 2: then I would absolutely use my skill set to hopefully
Speaker 2: get an outcome that brings a family back together.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing all of this with me. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's a bit of an invasion of your privacy,
Speaker 1: but you know, I really appreciate you sharing and being
Speaker 1: so open and so honest with you know, your story.
Speaker 1: I am going to switch this and go in a
Speaker 1: little different direction just so that we can give the
Speaker 1: people who have been loving this show some juicy stuff
Speaker 1: from behind the scenes. I mean, I have to say
Speaker 1: I'm really disappointed to lose all the original traders.
Speaker 2: Maybe Mary Elle and I sort of jumped the gun
Speaker 2: by wanting to but look, we were we were ten
Speaker 2: and oh it's like, okay, we're down to we're almost
Speaker 2: sort of halfway. It's like at some point we're going
Speaker 2: to start to cannibalize each other. So Mary hell and
Speaker 2: I was sort of like, well, I prefer to make
Speaker 2: it to the end with you than Claire and Angus.
Speaker 2: And look, Angers sort of put his foot in his
Speaker 2: mouth a couple of times, which which is you know
Speaker 2: in this game, like one slip of the tongue as
Speaker 2: we saw, you know, Jack, poor Jack. Whether he said
Speaker 2: that or not, but that was his demise, and we've
Speaker 2: seen that a few times, like even Dirk with I
Speaker 2: wasn't even thinking about murder and everyone's like, what you
Speaker 2: weren't thinking about it? It's like, well, no, because I'm
Speaker 2: focusing on being present where we are at the moment.
Speaker 2: But hindsight, it's a wonderful thing. But it is such
Speaker 2: an intense game. And the difficult thing for me was
Speaker 2: obviously once we'd stopped filming, was trying to.
Speaker 5: Get out of my own head.
Speaker 2: Of course, the second guessing myself was did I say
Speaker 2: that or did I think it? It's like, no, I
Speaker 2: think I said that, It's like and I would sort
Speaker 2: of spin out of control for twenty four hours, going,
Speaker 2: oh my god, like my game's cooked.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I think there was even one stage when we were
Speaker 2: down to the last eight or nine of us when
Speaker 2: no one was murdered. I said to Kate, like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's going to be nine of us at breakfast, and
Speaker 2: she's like nine, what do you mean nine?
Speaker 5: Don't you may eight?
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, sorry, I've completely forgotten. It was
Speaker 2: just like, oh, you dicke it like Marielle sort of
Speaker 2: you know, Oh, there's four traders, and Justine's.
Speaker 5: Like four, how do you know this four?
Speaker 1: I think it's human nature to tell the truth. You know,
Speaker 1: when you're living in a competition like you were, twenty
Speaker 1: four hours a day and giving yourself up to this
Speaker 1: whole experience, we are going to tell the truth. I
Speaker 1: think that's just a I think that's just who we are.
Speaker 2: I think as a trader as well, like yes, I
Speaker 2: wanted to be a trader because I thought it was
Speaker 2: going to be a massive advantage, but it was a
Speaker 2: burden to carry as well, because, like you say, you've
Speaker 2: got to deceive and manipulate people, which I would say
Speaker 2: for anyone who has been a trader, like well, you know,
Speaker 2: speaking for myself, like honesty, integrity of values that I
Speaker 2: rarely honor, and you know, even looking at Craig's face,
Speaker 2: last night when he was in tears knowing that he
Speaker 2: was going to slate me, and I felt horrible because
Speaker 2: you know, here I was deceiving this person that I'm
Speaker 2: now class as a great mate. And I can remember
Speaker 2: looking at him after It's like, you wouldn't even look
Speaker 2: at me. After he's turned his slate over and I
Speaker 2: finally caught his eye and I was like, mate, it's
Speaker 2: just a game, but.
Speaker 1: He was just it could be a lot more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was just devastated. I could say it. And
Speaker 5: it's just like, I've got to feel like shit that
Speaker 5: I'm lying to him.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the show would be more engaging?
Speaker 1: This is what I have noticed online yesterday. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of people talking about this, would the show
Speaker 1: be more engaging if we were not shown who the
Speaker 1: Traders are and that we had to play along with
Speaker 1: the faithfuls? You know, there has been a lot of
Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of is the mole if you
Speaker 1: do it that way, and we already have the mole,
Speaker 1: so maybe we don't want to do it. But do
Speaker 1: you think if the Traders came back it would be
Speaker 1: more engaging for the viewers to not know and to
Speaker 1: try and play along.
Speaker 2: Yeah, possibly, I think it'd just be a bit weird
Speaker 2: up in Trader's towers, like like, would the Traders know
Speaker 2: who each other are?
Speaker 5: As well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the game would play exactly the
Speaker 1: same way, just that there's an enormous amount of content
Speaker 1: that would happen that would never be shown to the viewers,
Speaker 1: which might be amazing to have as a big montage
Speaker 1: at the end as to what actually happened up there
Speaker 1: in that tower. But I just noticed that there was
Speaker 1: a lot of people saying, I like the Traders, but
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be amazing if we played along with them?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I can understand that as well, Like I think,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously in episode one when everyone was like,
Speaker 2: what why are we going to find out who the
Speaker 2: Traders are? Like? Can I absolutely see that there might
Speaker 2: be maybe in series two they try that so that
Speaker 2: there is more engagement from a viewer's point of view,
Speaker 2: like trying to guess who the Traders are, and I
Speaker 2: guess in a way of being more of a faithful
Speaker 2: player exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, just before you go, I've got two quick questions,
Speaker 1: who do you want to win? Because I want Kate
Speaker 1: to win at this point, But that could just be me.
Speaker 1: Do you have someone that you'd like to see win.
Speaker 5: I'd love to see Craig win. And I think, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh, you guys have got a brons. Now you've got
Speaker 1: to say no.
Speaker 2: But look once, once you sort of meet people and
Speaker 2: you understand what what they're their reasoning is for winning
Speaker 2: the money. Like Craig obviously has a twenty one year
Speaker 2: old daughter who is his special needs high needs, so
Speaker 2: he obviously is wanting to have something there for her
Speaker 2: when when he and his wife there are no longer
Speaker 2: with us, and that's that's years down the track. But
Speaker 2: I think having that that, I guess investment for his
Speaker 2: daughter to live on. For me, it's like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: even Teresa had said, like mate, he's the most deserving
Speaker 2: out of all of us here, like and if he
Speaker 2: doesn't win, we'll start a go fundme Paige for him.
Speaker 1: Get the money somehow, we'll get it.
Speaker 5: Yes, who's gonna win? Like Kate, Kate is like a cat.
Speaker 5: I tried to kill her. I tried to kill her.
Speaker 5: I tried to kill her and I just couldn't.
Speaker 1: She's got the nine lives, oh she does.
Speaker 2: It's just like surely someone's going to take her out shortly,
Speaker 2: like where's that fast moving bus?
Speaker 1: Well, the big players, I think that the players that
Speaker 1: they're ording and so are engaging with are going you know,
Speaker 1: some of those quiet are not as big a personality,
Speaker 1: you know, or not Theresa, but you know, like some
Speaker 1: of these other people that are still there, you're thinking, God, like,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know they exist until can I sit in.
Speaker 2: With your with your interview with Theresa, because man, she
Speaker 2: makes me laugh.
Speaker 1: I'll send it to I'll send it to.
Speaker 2: All of Australia is in love with her, like she
Speaker 2: just she just makes me piss my pants.
Speaker 1: I think someone else said this, but yeah, she's our queen.
Speaker 1: She's our queen of the Traders series. Before you go something,
Speaker 1: I ask everyone, what is something from behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: something that we didn't see that we won't see, kind
Speaker 1: of a behind the scenes secret from making the Traders?
Speaker 2: Uh, okay, here's a cracker. So we were trying to
Speaker 2: decide on who we're going to murder and I won't
Speaker 2: tell you who it was, but I said, let's do it.
Speaker 5: I've got a great way, and they were like, well,
Speaker 5: I said, paper.
Speaker 1: Someone was out of the competition. Over paper Ross. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that happened at the start of the competition
Speaker 1: where paper is more relevant because you haven't you know,
Speaker 1: created enough story, you know what I mean, Like you
Speaker 1: haven't got your heroes and your villains, or you don't
Speaker 1: have your reasons. So baby paper rocks is okay, but
Speaker 1: never tell them that. But I don't think even oh, I.
Speaker 2: Know, I know, but it was just and Mario and
Speaker 2: Claire were like, we can't do that, and Angus was like, shit, yeah,
Speaker 2: my friends will themselves that we killed someone like that.
Speaker 1: Nigel, I have absolutely loved you on the show. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for taking part of the series and
Speaker 1: sharing your story. I think you are an amazing person.
Speaker 1: I think you're a very warm and giving person, and
Speaker 1: I think we need more people in the world like you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time to come
Speaker 1: on the podcast and talk about the Traders.
Speaker 5: Ben.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me mate, anytime. If you want
Speaker 2: me to chew your ear off another time, more than
Speaker 2: happy to come on, mate.
Speaker 1: I could listen to you all day. I'm just worried
Speaker 1: that a Channel ten would be like, Ben, you're still
Speaker 1: talking to Nigel. It's four hours later and I'd still
Speaker 1: be like, that's not enough, and Nigel, I only asked
Speaker 1: you half of the questions and that is a good
Speaker 1: podcast here. You've entertained me with your story.
Speaker 5: Thank you, matte look, thanks thanks again for having me.
Speaker 1: Wow, Nigel absolutely blew me away with his story and
Speaker 1: his generosity with that chat. I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: for us all to think about reflecting back on some
Speaker 1: of the things that he shared with us today. However,
Speaker 1: let's bring Teresa into the podcast as we dive a
Speaker 1: little bit deeper into this series and it's upcoming season
Speaker 1: finale on Sunday night. Hi Teresa, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 4: Hi Ben, I'm so happy to be here. Thanks, thanks
Speaker 4: so much for.
Speaker 1: Having me out. Well, congratulations on your time on the Traders.
Speaker 1: I just want more people like you on television.
Speaker 4: We just loud mouth Islanders. Yeah, I actually everyone wants that, mate.
Speaker 4: I was at the Chopping Bug almost every week.
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny though, that you were so loud and
Speaker 1: you managed to last so long in the competition. I mean,
Speaker 1: some of the other noisier players did seem to get
Speaker 1: bumped out because I guess they were loud, where for you,
Speaker 1: you managed to survive.
Speaker 4: Why do you think that wash, I've always seen it.
Speaker 4: But like people are my super power.
Speaker 3: Like I love people. I could talk the leg off
Speaker 3: a cheer. I really I can bond with anybody, and
Speaker 3: I find it. It's like my magic trick.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: You give me someone that's acting like a real day
Speaker 3: and I'll make sure by the end of the day
Speaker 3: we're best friends.
Speaker 1: I feel like you were a revelation and quite unique.
Speaker 1: I honestly feel like we haven't seen you. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: the island thing. Maybe I don't know, but growing up,
Speaker 1: did you feel represented on television?
Speaker 4: Not so much actually, and not in the way of
Speaker 4: hosts either.
Speaker 3: I mean we get our First Nations presenters and stuff,
Speaker 3: but they've only just come out of.
Speaker 4: The woodwork and been given these opportunities.
Speaker 3: As of late, you know what I mean, Like the
Speaker 3: last like five years, and now you know, we start
Speaker 3: to see person's in color butt like that.
Speaker 4: For me, there wasn't it.
Speaker 3: I just I like loud, boisterous people and you know,
Speaker 3: yeah right, I think the most represented person lately that
Speaker 3: makes me feel like home is like Tiger Way to
Speaker 3: see character man that that is the epitome of Kiwi's
Speaker 3: and Islanders and the humor, and so when he started
Speaker 3: making those mainstream films, I.
Speaker 4: Was just like, oh that's us, Hey, uncle, can I
Speaker 4: borrow some money?
Speaker 1: Can I tell you the funniest story. So Layla Sabritski,
Speaker 1: who I did Big Brother with, and she always would
Speaker 1: refer to her other New Zealand friends as cousins, and
Speaker 1: so she would be like, oh, that's my cousin, you know,
Speaker 1: and that I'm doing her half New Zealand half Blackpool
Speaker 1: English accent, which I can't do, so I'll stop doing accents. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we went out one night and she goes, that's my cousin,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, hi, thinking you know, in Australia
Speaker 1: that just means that they related their cousins. And then
Speaker 1: like an hour later they, after a few drinks, they
Speaker 1: started making out and I ran over and grabbed her
Speaker 1: and said you can't make it out with him. He's
Speaker 1: your cousin, and she's like, no, he's my cousin, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god. You know, so when you
Speaker 1: referred to Tiger Watiti as your uncle, I was like,
Speaker 1: he's not your actual uncle.
Speaker 4: No, no he's not.
Speaker 3: I've good a fatting story though for years no ship.
Speaker 3: When when Tiger was coming out, he was this big start,
Speaker 3: and my claim to fame with.
Speaker 4: Him was that I had dated her, like seen each other.
Speaker 3: Wait wait wait, and so I was like, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is like twenty two three years ago in Kaguy and I.
Speaker 4: Was like, yeah, yeah, we went on a date and
Speaker 4: all this sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And blah blah blah and wait and then you dated wait.
Speaker 4: No, no, wait for it, wait for it. And then
Speaker 4: I like checked away with my mates like like this
Speaker 4: was only like maybe a year and a half ago.
Speaker 3: One of my mates that I was there with it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, member, when I went out with Tiger
Speaker 3: And they were like, no, you didn't and I was like, yes,
Speaker 3: I did, look exactly like yeah we went on that date.
Speaker 4: It was like Teresa that was Damien was his nephew.
Speaker 4: You did not go out with Tiger. And I have
Speaker 4: been claiming that story. I've freaking died bro. I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I like told so many people and
Speaker 4: it was like his Niffy or some shit. It's like
Speaker 4: one day I was like, yeah, me and Tyger go
Speaker 4: way back.
Speaker 1: I reckon. You just still keep telling people, keep telling
Speaker 1: people until he calls you and says, yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: and desist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, reader is unhappy.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. You know, I have to ask where
Speaker 1: do you get your voice from? Not the sound of
Speaker 1: your voice, but the presence of it, the humor, the warmth,
Speaker 1: Like where does that come from?
Speaker 3: I think every islander has that, and I think we're
Speaker 3: you know, I grew up in a big family. I'm
Speaker 3: an islander, so I have like seven brothers and sisters.
Speaker 3: I've got four to nine first cousins.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of us. My mother is one
Speaker 4: of like fifteen. So you know, you know, if you
Speaker 4: want to get hurt in the big house like that,
Speaker 4: you gotta speak up.
Speaker 3: You gotta you know, we entertain each other. We went
Speaker 3: very well off at all growing up. And you make
Speaker 3: fun with your brothers and sisters and your cousins. So
Speaker 3: I also have a business. I'm an EMC and a DJ.
Speaker 3: So I host like the PERV convention Center, expos and
Speaker 3: opened Heineken and Chevron, and people hire me to come
Speaker 3: and em see their events. And I just as soon
Speaker 3: as you give me a mic or nom nom nam,
Speaker 3: I just like ebs it up. They look terryb we
Speaker 3: might want to cut that part out?
Speaker 1: Is that how they found you? I mean, did you
Speaker 1: apply for this show just from seeing the ads? Or
Speaker 1: did someone see you out about So a.
Speaker 4: Friend of mine actually one of the hunted. Do you
Speaker 4: know Rob?
Speaker 1: Yes? I do.
Speaker 4: So he's actually a really close friend of mine.
Speaker 3: We've been friends for years and so he had just
Speaker 3: come off the show and some one of the producers
Speaker 3: had said to her, listen, do you.
Speaker 4: Know anyone from Way? And he was like, I have
Speaker 4: a perfect girl for you, and then that was it.
Speaker 3: They the producer rung me and said do you want
Speaker 3: to apply? And I was like not really, Like I
Speaker 3: have no time to do this, so I'm I'm very
Speaker 3: busy and they were like, it's two hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: grand up for grabs and I was like, you should
Speaker 3: have started there.
Speaker 1: It waste my time, you know.
Speaker 4: I was like, am I paying for anything?
Speaker 1: I love the idea of you not being attracted like
Speaker 1: this is one of my favorite things. People who want
Speaker 1: to be on television aren't normally the best television stars.
Speaker 1: Some of the best reality TV contestants are not the
Speaker 1: sort of people that are going to apply.
Speaker 3: I didn't understand anybody that would want to get into
Speaker 3: like the industry, you've got like that e spectum, because
Speaker 3: like coming out of it, if you don't make it,
Speaker 3: that's that's your dream pushed gone. And then we're a
Speaker 3: couple of people on there that really I mean, they
Speaker 3: had been applying to reality shows for a long time
Speaker 3: and had.
Speaker 4: Been turned down in some and I was just like,
Speaker 4: why would you put yourself in that position? But you know,
Speaker 4: if you don't make it, what are you going to do?
Speaker 4: If you find out you're actually a real shit contestant,
Speaker 4: what are you going to do?
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's brutal, it's a brutal industry,
Speaker 1: but a reality TV show is really fascinating as far
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. I find them to be like a
Speaker 1: social experiment, especially this show. Did you learn anything about
Speaker 1: yourself during you know, during your time on The Traders?
Speaker 3: I learned that I can actually be a lot more
Speaker 3: sensitive than I let on. It's not like I'm guarded.
Speaker 3: I'm more like, you know, you're a tough industries, you
Speaker 3: can do this, but like the littlest things I was
Speaker 3: just like and I found and that was actually quite
Speaker 3: refreshing for me to not be so shamed to shit
Speaker 3: a tear, whether it be because Fee left, whether it
Speaker 3: be because you know, you know, someone said something that
Speaker 3: hurt my feelings.
Speaker 4: So that was quite surprising for me, and I was
Speaker 4: okay with that, speaking.
Speaker 1: Of like, you know, when Fee left and you know,
Speaker 1: other people left and then being emotional. Was there someone
Speaker 1: that you felt was unfairly exited from the competition? I mean,
Speaker 1: he said someone that you feel was robbed and should
Speaker 1: be there in this final four that we're about to see.
Speaker 4: I would have loved to see Mark stay he was.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, I get it, I understand why
Speaker 3: they did it, but I would have just loved for
Speaker 3: him to have like just a little bit longer on that.
Speaker 3: So he's an amazing guy, and he was just so
Speaker 3: calm and intelligent and articulated exactly what he wanted to
Speaker 3: say without hurting anybody's feelings.
Speaker 4: And I would have loved to spend more time with Mark.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm obsessed with him. I thought it was funny
Speaker 1: that I had walked out of the room and couldn't
Speaker 1: tell his voice over some of the girls, so I'd
Speaker 1: have to come back in and rewind the show and
Speaker 1: rewatch it. And I was like that just related to that,
Speaker 1: because that's me. I've had that so many times where
Speaker 1: you know, people, you know, the call center people ring
Speaker 1: you up and I'll be like, my name's Ben and
Speaker 1: they're like, jam, how are you Jen?
Speaker 4: Is your mother home? Can you put mummy on the phone? Please?
Speaker 1: Not happy jan anyway, Look, you know the other thing
Speaker 1: was when I was talking to Angus, and I've been
Speaker 1: lucky enough to have, you know, a good chat with
Speaker 1: a lot of the people coming off the show. But
Speaker 1: I had this pretty interesting conversation with Angus. You know,
Speaker 1: he said that people being eliminated might have been eliminated
Speaker 1: over the fact that people didn't like them, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, over following the clues. Do you think,
Speaker 1: as the competition was going on, do you think people
Speaker 1: were eliminating based on the clues they had or do
Speaker 1: you think they were eliminated based on whether they liked someone?
Speaker 4: Ah, it was definitely a popularity contest to start out.
Speaker 4: But it's not that we didn't like them.
Speaker 3: It's just that you know, you know, when you're driving
Speaker 3: your car and you got to turn the radio down
Speaker 3: so you can concentrate sometimes, Yeah, well some of those
Speaker 3: people were that loud radio where you had to turn
Speaker 3: them down.
Speaker 4: You had to get rid of them so that you
Speaker 4: could concentrate.
Speaker 1: On what was at hand.
Speaker 3: Here, the likes of m K Match and you know,
Speaker 3: any of those ones like you had to turn them
Speaker 3: down because they were just fogging everything up. You know,
Speaker 3: it's a pity you got eliminated as a faithful, but
Speaker 3: you were a terrible faithful. You know, you just were
Speaker 3: there for the teams, a team effort, man, jump.
Speaker 4: On board or fool.
Speaker 1: What about Paul? You know, Paul had to be the
Speaker 1: most absent contestant in the history of reality TV shows
Speaker 1: in the entire world. I believe he was a planter.
Speaker 1: I just don't believe he was a real contestant. What's
Speaker 1: the deal with Paul? I won't know what you think
Speaker 1: of what the deal with Paul is?
Speaker 4: What was an amazing guy, He was really great. But listen,
Speaker 4: if you're you know, for a bit and stuff, and
Speaker 4: he was he was a quiet guy.
Speaker 3: And if you're not offering anything to the camera, you know,
Speaker 3: we've only got at least twenty four contestants, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's not that you have to fight for screen time,
Speaker 3: but you know, if there was no storyline or anything,
Speaker 3: hitting there.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a great guy. He is.
Speaker 3: You need to check out his Instagram and stuff. He's
Speaker 3: so new to it and he's hilarious. He the stuff
Speaker 3: he's putting up is just so funny. He's really taking
Speaker 3: the pisse out of himself and I just I love it.
Speaker 3: He was a great guy.
Speaker 1: Moving away from Paul, I need to ask you, I
Speaker 1: feel like Roger Corsa was stuper daggy, and he got
Speaker 1: daggier as the show went on.
Speaker 4: What was the jug you talk about Roger like that?
Speaker 1: Okay, this is why I'm asking you. It's because I
Speaker 1: wanted to know what your feelings towards Roger was. Because
Speaker 1: Mayor's a viewer watching the show, and I've met Roger,
Speaker 1: like he's worked with a lot of my friends, and
Speaker 1: I love Roger as a person. But I just was like,
Speaker 1: he's a bit daggy on this show.
Speaker 3: Well, remember that's a character that he's he's playing, Like,
Speaker 3: I thought he was daggy in like five Bedrooms. But
Speaker 3: onder side, his character is great, but he was He's
Speaker 3: so nice to look at whos who cares?
Speaker 1: He's beautiful And I totally understand that, but I feel
Speaker 1: like Roger's an actor, so like, why didn't he just
Speaker 1: why don't they just create a name, like they should
Speaker 1: have called him like the Butler, or they could have
Speaker 1: given him a name because we didn't get to I mean,
Speaker 1: I know Rod, I mean I've met Roger. He's not
Speaker 1: like that person at all. Roger's actually quite cool in
Speaker 1: real life, like he's a big gangster, and so he
Speaker 1: was not being Roger Corser. He was being a character
Speaker 1: that was a bit dad. Yeah, So why wouldn't they
Speaker 1: just give him a name like the Mastermind or the
Speaker 1: I don't know, it would have been easy rich.
Speaker 3: Sort of name would have been pool a like mister
Speaker 3: Winchester or something sir Lord Winchester, because he would saying exactly.
Speaker 1: That's perfect. You could be a producer. There you go,
Speaker 1: that's your next job. You're producing time. Then are you
Speaker 1: surprised with the final four?
Speaker 4: Ah, I am to an extinct time surprise. Lewis is
Speaker 4: still there.
Speaker 3: He was very quiet, like up until I don't know
Speaker 3: eighth episode, but maybe that was his game play. So
Speaker 3: he's doing well to be the Craig. I like, I
Speaker 3: was written for Craig from day one. And Kate, she's strong.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, she's so strong, and I just I
Speaker 3: didn't even know that she was a trainer and it
Speaker 3: was I was so upset about that because we just
Speaker 3: built this big bond where we were learning to trust
Speaker 3: each other and then bam and like we didn't even know.
Speaker 3: By the time I was in banishment, I didn't even know.
Speaker 3: And Alex what an actress she's getting the Loki tee
Speaker 3: you that right now.
Speaker 1: I can't forgive Alex. So I feel bad for this,
Speaker 1: but I can't forgive her. I don't like the fact
Speaker 1: that she got rid of those other traders. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure she's she's beautiful and she's amazing, but I just
Speaker 1: can't forgive her. For some reason, something's gone off on
Speaker 1: my brain.
Speaker 4: Not the only one, but she is such a sweet
Speaker 4: girl in real life. I think she just played like
Speaker 4: a beast and.
Speaker 1: Like, good luck to her and Craig. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Like I think everyone who has been on the show
Speaker 1: with Craig has spoken really highly of him. But from
Speaker 1: the audience perspective, I don't know whether or not we
Speaker 1: have that has translated. I don't know if we care
Speaker 1: from an audience perspective of Craig as much as all
Speaker 1: of you have, so there must be some information missing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that, like he put on these big
Speaker 3: speeches and staff and when you're in the room, I
Speaker 3: mean people think that that's like in a real time
Speaker 3: like it's a fifteen minute chat.
Speaker 4: They can go for three hours three and it's exhausting.
Speaker 3: And he was always that beacon of what was it
Speaker 3: like just fatherly intuition, and he was that big influence
Speaker 3: there and I think that's how he sort of connected
Speaker 3: with everybody as well.
Speaker 1: Do you think he kind of has it in the
Speaker 1: bag now? I kind of feel like he has this
Speaker 1: show on the bag. I feel like if I had
Speaker 1: to make money on it, I feel like you're going
Speaker 1: to get the money, Craig.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I'm hoping for it, But I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm just worried that his heart is a bit He's
Speaker 3: not ruthless. I mean, okay, he voted for me, but
Speaker 3: he was you know, well obviously he was talked into that,
Speaker 3: and I'm afraid if he follows his heart too much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just want to see him at the end.
Speaker 4: He get to the end.
Speaker 1: This might be a little bit brutal, but can you
Speaker 1: just put it in order, like if all your money
Speaker 1: is on the line, you know, but like give me
Speaker 1: the order of who you think is going to win.
Speaker 1: So we want we think Craig is the surefire bat,
Speaker 1: then who's the next three down the line?
Speaker 4: I would say Kate is right up there, Okay, So
Speaker 4: Kate has got every opportunity. I think she's just brought
Speaker 4: her a way.
Speaker 3: In fact, if anyone there deserves to like because they
Speaker 3: know the game and they've played it from the beginning
Speaker 3: like a proper game, Kate.
Speaker 4: So I'm hoping to see Kate and Craig and the last.
Speaker 4: I don't think Lewis is going to last too much longer,
Speaker 4: Like he barely made it three or two episodes.
Speaker 1: I find him. I think Lewis is a bit cute
Speaker 1: for some reason. I don't know. Is he cute in
Speaker 1: real life?
Speaker 4: He is such Alerica too, and he's a crochetier. Used
Speaker 4: to crochet me these squibs.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's got a purpose. He can come around and
Speaker 1: crochet some stuff for me, okay. And then that leaves
Speaker 1: Alex to the last. The last question I have to
Speaker 1: ask you is what is something from behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: something that we didn't see that. We won't see kind
Speaker 1: of like a behind the scenes secret on filming The Traders.
Speaker 3: Okay, and you're to being told about the haunted No,
Speaker 3: so you know that that place is supposed to be
Speaker 3: one of the most haunted places in Australia, the Robertson Hotel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually haunted. Do you think it's actually not for me?
Speaker 4: But the other guys like, not for me? I slipped
Speaker 4: like a baby. It was a free holiday love, so
Speaker 4: I was out to it. I left my kids at home.
Speaker 3: I'm done room service, yes, but everybody else was like
Speaker 3: having really weird situations. So they'd come down to breakfast
Speaker 3: and you wouldn't catch it on camera, but they would
Speaker 3: be actually quite freaked out, specifically Dirk. I don't know
Speaker 3: if that's why Chloe left. I but everybody was just like,
Speaker 3: did you hear that last night? Because this place is massive.
Speaker 3: I didn't even there's wings all over the place. You know,
Speaker 3: there's like forty rooms or something. So everyone was actually
Speaker 3: quite freaking out about the place.
Speaker 4: Not me. I'm a tough bitch.
Speaker 1: I said that she had to leave because she had
Speaker 1: too many voices in her head.
Speaker 4: Oh did she?
Speaker 6: Oh against Chloe but bullshit, bush manse Am.
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Speaker 1: wish you good luck after after being on the show.
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Speaker 4: Now, I'm gonna start some fights.
Speaker 1: Mhm h