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Speaker 1: And we did indeed covering the news yesterday the fact

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Speaker 1: Now joining us on the show is the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Assistant Police Commissioner James Allen O'Brien. Good morning to you, James.

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Speaker 2: Good morningting morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. Now, just briefly

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Speaker 2: Well, we do know that the parties were known to

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Speaker 1: How concerning is it for you and for the police

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And you know that's why we've got

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Speaker 2: I would imagine definitely heightened awareness for our police officers, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Though you want to make sure the impact on the

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Speaker 2: So those things and as I said at the community

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Speaker 1: Communication some proactive sort of engagement. Now before I let

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Speaker 1: We'd spoken to Commander Sean Gill on the show last week.

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Speaker 2: weight of the law comes to those people that are

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Speaker 2: We will see Darwin City Safe patrols obviously in and

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Speaker 2: around a little bit more visible within that nightclub precinct.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we're good. We do a little bit more coordination.

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Speaker 2: And I do know as well that we will be

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Speaker 2: discussing with the hoteliers at probably their next meeting as well,

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Speaker 2: sure that Sean or the Superintendent darn will be doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah good, good to hear quick message from Mary and

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Speaker 1: Humpty doo. She's retired and Tess, I think you know Mary,

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Speaker 1: she said, good morning, Katie, please pass on congratulations to

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Speaker 1: James O'Brien on his promotion. Great chap, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I'm only acting, so you know, only acting at the moment,

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Speaker 2: but thank you very much. And probably Katie, as I

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Speaker 2: probably mentioned right at the beginning, a really big shout

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Speaker 2: out to all of the people involved in all of

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Speaker 2: those weather events. It's recognized that it was a massive

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Speaker 2: response from all of government and non government, many people

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Speaker 2: civilian peopen. I say that because being informed police officers

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Speaker 2: look at dc F like the Department and Families to

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Speaker 2: run the evacuation centers and the Department of Education, just

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Speaker 2: hundreds of staff just in an incredible hate what they've done.

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Speaker 1: You must be all over the wet season night we are.

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Speaker 2: I'm very closely monitoring that low life Queensland at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Away, we're all over. We're all hoping it doesn't rain

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Speaker 1: again for a few months.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely exactly.

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Speaker 1: James O'Brien, good to catch up with you. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you