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Speaker 1: Get a.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional oversharer.

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Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe

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Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face

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Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest

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Speaker 2: about their highs as well as their lows, all in

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Speaker 2: a bid to.

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Speaker 1: Inspire us to fearlessly fail. Ride Oh, Welcome to the pod.

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Speaker 2: This next guest, Sudie Green, has been on my dream

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Speaker 2: list for over a year now, an absolute powerhouse, has

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Speaker 2: been a writer at SNL for six years and just

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Speaker 2: a moment got the job at SNL at.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four years of age.

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Speaker 2: Yep also has written Trill I Love That for You

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Speaker 2: and an upcoming animation called Cheeky five Emmy Noms That's correct,

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Speaker 2: you heard that right, and has won two Writers Guild

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Speaker 2: of America Awards.

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Speaker 1: Holy Mac also hilariously funny, so kind, so welcoming.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Sudi for sharing your time with

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Speaker 2: me and letting me come over to your place and

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Speaker 2: record this. I am so honored to have you on

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Speaker 2: the pod, and thank you for making me giggle the

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Speaker 2: whole time as well. Listeners, you are in for a

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Speaker 2: real treat. This is Sudi Green.

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Speaker 1: Sudi Green, Welcome to the pod. I'm so nervous.

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Speaker 2: Why I've got a few Well, first of all five

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Speaker 2: Emmy nominations, two American Writers Guild Awards, my saying that right.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live writer for six years, I have binged.

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Speaker 3: I love that feet Oh You're so sweet.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny.

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Speaker 2: There's a line it and I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: that's me, that's me, that's me, this is the lead

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Speaker 2: character goes everyone I've dated.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, way I weigh more.

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Speaker 3: Than Oh my god, that was my line. I was

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Speaker 3: my joke. Yes there and honestly there was discussion on

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Speaker 3: set that almost it almost did not happen.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: Because so my boyfriend who edits this podcast, I'll always

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Speaker 2: go because we're working kilos in Australia killing brands.

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Speaker 1: You guys are pounds, and I was like.

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Speaker 2: Maye, I'm tinkilo's heavy, heavy that you. I can't deal

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Speaker 2: with this.

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Speaker 1: So I related. I felt very seen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah if Vanessa says like I've only ever been into

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Speaker 3: relationships and there were family friends and both of them

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Speaker 3: weighed less than me, and it was like one of

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Speaker 3: those things like you know, when we're writing these scripts

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Speaker 3: and like you get a joke into, you know, a script,

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Speaker 3: and I'm always just like waiting for it to go away,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like I'm like draft after

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Speaker 3: draft after draft, I'm like, when are they gonna cut it?

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Speaker 3: When are they going to stay? And then it finally

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Speaker 3: stayed and we were on set shooting it and somebody

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Speaker 3: was like does that make sense though, Like is she

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Speaker 3: saying like that it doesn't count or is she saying

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Speaker 3: that like she's technically a virgin? And I was like,

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Speaker 3: don't overthink it, babe, don't overthink it. It's funny. We've

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Speaker 3: laughed at it for months. And then I ended up

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Speaker 3: in the trailer. I was like very aggressive, like no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: you've come this far. We've come this far.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I loved it. And mate.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that makes me so nervous to interview,

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Speaker 2: so like, I know you're lovely because I've met you

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Speaker 2: once before this, but also just listening to you and

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Speaker 2: soaking up at nearly every podcast you go on, the

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Speaker 2: host is really funny, and I'm like, oh, the hosts

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Speaker 2: are really funny, and I'm like, holy mackerel, that's quite

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Speaker 2: a lot to as the person interviewing you.

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Speaker 1: That makes me really nervous.

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Speaker 3: But you're funny. I don't know though, but this isn't

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Speaker 3: like a comedy comedy podcast.

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Speaker 1: No, But like I laughed so hard researching you.

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Speaker 2: I literally texted our deframe that connected us both and

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh wow, five amynoms, all these words

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Speaker 2: da da da, it's now da da da.

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Speaker 1: Missing nine adult teeth.

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Speaker 3: It's not because Moe said that to me. She goes

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Speaker 3: ala asks me about your teeth? Are you talking about

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Speaker 3: your teeth on the pot? And I was like, I'm

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Speaker 3: talking about my teeth on multiple podcasts because I view

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Speaker 3: it as like a major part of my story. Is

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Speaker 3: it true I'm missing nine adult teeth? And so I

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Speaker 3: had baby teeth that like literally turned gray in her

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Speaker 3: mouth that I had to get pulled. And the point

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Speaker 3: the nine missing adult teeth is like not that big

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Speaker 3: of a deal. What is a big deal is like

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Speaker 3: the the decades of dental work I've had.

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Speaker 2: Because of them, we got beautiful chumps right now.

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Speaker 3: It's been such a journal.

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Speaker 2: Do you know I was born without canines, ohn without

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Speaker 2: a pointy guy. The pointy, chewy ones that make you

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Speaker 2: eat meal like that it were designed so you.

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Speaker 3: Make a terrible vampire.

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Speaker 1: This is true.

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Speaker 2: And I'm missing two wisdoms, but you're missing all wisdoms,

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Speaker 2: which is quite lucky.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the one good side of kind of

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Speaker 3: having the most psycho braces you've ever seen throughout all

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Speaker 3: of my formative fucking years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I heard you got Halloween colors one like

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Speaker 2: when you got the one too?

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Speaker 1: Is that right? Like orange and black?

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Speaker 3: Orange and black rubber bands?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Like, what was I thinking to have black rubber bands

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Speaker 3: in my teeth? Well, you know, you'll live and you'll.

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Speaker 2: Learn, Okay, as much as I want to, I love

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Speaker 2: your teeth are beautiful, your smiles beautiful.

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Speaker 1: You're beautiful. You look great.

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Speaker 2: But you are five years younger than me. You've done

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Speaker 2: all this incredible stuff. You're an incredible rider. You're a comedian.

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Speaker 2: I got to see you in Trina. Oh yeah that

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Speaker 2: two months ago?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Do you know you forced me to face a fear

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Speaker 2: Do you remember what you asked me to do with

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Speaker 2: the microphone at so on the way there, I was

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Speaker 2: going there with my friend and I said, just so

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Speaker 2: she's like why and I was like, oh, I always

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Speaker 2: I get picked. And I've got a strong accent and

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Speaker 2: I can't see like I can't do it. I can't

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Speaker 2: in the second row? And she was like this self

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Speaker 1: So we sat in the second row, but you still

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Speaker 3: I don't like crowd work that is like singles out

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Speaker 3: like group experience. So like if everybody you know you're

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Speaker 3: on stage, you're being vulnerable if you In this like

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Speaker 3: a sense of humor from Funny Girl and uh so

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Speaker 3: we were going around and I just think, like that

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Speaker 3: a like a community feeling going on. Totally, we're all

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Speaker 3: here to be stupid.

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Speaker 2: I did the trick, did the trick, but you know,

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Speaker 2: as soon as you did that.

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Speaker 1: My friend next me was like, oh my god, you're right.

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Speaker 1: You get told you road.

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Speaker 2: So Okay, You've had this wonderful career that I feel

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Speaker 2: like is just going to continue to skyrocket, Like I

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Speaker 2: cannot wait to see more of you. Yeah, I want

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Speaker 2: to know. Like, so you grew up in Delaware? Had

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Speaker 2: to google by the way, being a NAUSY haven't been.

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Speaker 3: A lot of Americans have to Google Delaware to be

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Speaker 3: It's like I think, because Joe Biden is from there,

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Speaker 3: it's what some people know it. Now more people do,

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Speaker 3: but like I've literally had people be like you were

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Speaker 3: the first person I've ever met from Delaware. It's a

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Speaker 1: You go, yeah, I'm learning. I'm learning, little little guy.

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Speaker 1: So how do you go from Delaware? Debate? Debate? Were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like big into It was called like

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Speaker 3: pretended to be like a senator basically like debated bills.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was much a big thing.

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Speaker 3: It was like kind of like my like I wanted

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Speaker 2: Instead it fit that tracks like that fits for me.

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Speaker 2: But then how do you then go to like, fuck this,

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Speaker 2: I got to New York. I'm chasing this dream, like

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Speaker 2: I know that I want to. You grew up in

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And I had so much fun, and I like,

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I was really influenced by like Tina Fey specifically

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Speaker 3: I think, like a famous comedy writer. Yeah, and she

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Speaker 3: talked about like you know, she was on Weekend up Date,

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Speaker 3: but she was also the head writer and she was

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Speaker 3: you know, like I feel like I kind of started

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Speaker 3: understanding what that job could be purely just from her

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Speaker 3: being super famous. Yeah, and I it like almost like created.

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Speaker 3: I didn't really know that comedy writer was like a job,

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Speaker 2: And then to think though that you literally got your

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Speaker 2: dream job so young, it was crazy.

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Speaker 1: That's like unheard of.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm I'm truly can say I am the person

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Speaker 3: who got their dream job.

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Speaker 1: It was a miracle, but like tiny young mate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was twenty four.

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Speaker 1: That's incredibly wild.

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Speaker 3: It was so crazy.

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Speaker 2: Is it true that when you got the job at

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Speaker 2: SNL you were waitressing and you had the menu at home.

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Speaker 1: You got the call and you and the menu were

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Speaker 1: Is that true?

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Speaker 3: And I think also you I interact. I find that too,

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Speaker 1: Oh I love it. I could talk to you about this.

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Speaker 3: That's why I think it's such a great thing for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. I have to ask you a

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Speaker 2: Oh the Emmy stress the orange number.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you look so fucking hot.

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Speaker 1: How does that freaking feel? Like what happens? Do you

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Speaker 3: Well, I have also learned my lesson because I have

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Speaker 3: that all go to the Emmys because they were trying

442
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: to keep the numbers down. Only five people from every

443
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 3: show got to go.

444
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

445
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 3: And so Bowen Yang, yeah, the sweetie that he is.

446
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: He was nominated as an actor and yeah, he said,

447
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 3: well suit, he can have my plus one spot so

448
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 3: that more other writers, you know, can go.

449
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: Can we also say Bowen's shoes.

450
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, those were really good. And that's why I did

451
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 3: a red carpet interview because I was there with Bowen

452
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 3: as this plus run. Because when you're a writer, you

453
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 3: don't do red carpet. I don't do any of that

454
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 3: you were.

455
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: Natural and I actually want to you touched on how

456
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: like definitely the first few times you went you had

457
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 2: that kind of like almost behind the.

458
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: Scenes kind of lens that you went through. Like the

459
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: more that.

460
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: I've researched research and I've gone back to like the

461
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: power couples stuff, but you belong on the screen as well.

462
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 3: Thank you.

463
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 2: I Like that's why I'm so excited to see what

464
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: comes next for you, because like it's for me like

465
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: deep diving and watching and reading and listening, like, yes,

466
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 2: you're an absolutely phenomenal writer. There is no if butts

467
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 2: or maybe it's about that, but like I can't wait

468
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: to see you on screen because you're great.

469
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 3: I mean your Lipstodam Good's ears, you know what I mean,

470
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 3: Like we're out here for sure.

471
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: No, and like it's I even think, like and I'm

472
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 2: I'm a yogi, so I've got that little spiritual hippie.

473
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: But I say crystals here, I feel, oh.

474
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are crystals. I got my I got my

475
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 3: mental clarity streme you.

476
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: Got on my desk? Is that selenite?

477
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 3: Next year? I forget what that's for.

478
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: Uh So that's that's basically Selenite amplifies other crystals as well.

479
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: But it's really good for confidence. But also if you

480
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: ever get back pain, you hold it on your back.

481
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: I've done crystal healing courses and stuff. Really yeah, I'm

482
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: real witchy, but that's what I want to say about.

483
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: Like the fact that when you went with Bowen, you

484
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: were there.

485
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

486
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: As fucking Sudie Green, who's meant to be there? So

487
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: I feel like you're already embodying the next chapter.

488
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 3: I'm trying to. I think also it comes with the

489
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 3: getting older and having more confidence and just like knowing

490
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 3: that like you can just step out there and you'll

491
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: be your full self. Like I think it's really just

492
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 3: a it's a confidencing.

493
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: I've heard you talk about confidence before, and I love it.

494
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 2: So self confidence is something that like everyone says to me, Oh,

495
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: you're really confident, and you're really like extrovert.

496
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like no, Like I'm a really good one

497
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: on one.

498
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 2: Put me in a group by free, I start my

499
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: palm sweat, Like I just I'm not that confident.

500
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: But I feel like.

501
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: The way you I've heard you talk about confidence, it

502
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 2: feels like kind of a super power and it might

503
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: be that act as if back to.

504
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: What I think it is, do you reckon it's that

505
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 3: I think it's also like going I've put myself in

506
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: a lot of situations where I didn't know what the

507
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: hell I was doing and I figured it out, like

508
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: improv is, like you know, every single night on stage,

509
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,479
Speaker 3: you don't know what you're doing and you figure it out,

510
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: and then that starts to feel like a superpower. And

511
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 3: when I start at SNL, there's so much to learn

512
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: that you don't know until you start doing it, and

513
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: you really learn by failing. I mean, there were so

514
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 3: many things that I messed up or you know, I

515
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: forgot to do something and then you know, now my

516
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: sketches cut, or you know, I'm getting a call from

517
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 3: a department like you didn't tell us this, you know

518
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 3: what I mean, and like truly learning on your feet,

519
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: and also you know, trying to learn how to like

520
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 3: crack what works on that show. And then there became

521
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: a certain point on the show where I realized that

522
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 3: I wasn't thinking about those things anymore because I just

523
00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: knew how to do them.

524
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: It was just in your basis And then.

525
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: You feel like, wow, I know all these things that

526
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: I remember a time where I didn't know any of this,

527
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 3: and I like and so I think like when I've

528
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 3: been lucky enough to have moments where I'm like, oh,

529
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: I really did that, Wow, and then you collect those

530
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: and then it's like, well nobody can tell me shit now.

531
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

532
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: Well, it's like the skill set is fully embedded within

533
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: you now that you're just like a tick.

534
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: I have that skill set?

535
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: Is that because I imagine like the Beautiful Beast that is

536
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: a SNL like being there for quite a long period

537
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: of time and that then when do you find that

538
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: fearlessness to kind of be like.

539
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: Fuck next chapter?

540
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: Because like also watched a bit of Shrills and I'm

541
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: really excited for like.

542
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: Cheeky, Yeah, Cheeky. Is that what you're working on now?

543
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully it will. It's that is a pilot that

544
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 3: I worked on with Adie Bryant, this amazing illustrator Ari

545
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: Yellow Elevic, and we shut a pilot in April and

546
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: Peacock and we're just kind of waiting to see if

547
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: it's gonna get picked.

548
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: It sounds amazing because it's is it based on the book.

549
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: It's based on this book Cheeky by Mauryella Elvick, where

550
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: she kind of like it's part like personal memoir, but

551
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 3: it's a graphic novel and so it's really just about

552
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 3: like body acceptance, like radical body acceptance. Oh. I love

553
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: it. It's super fun and her illustrations are like really expressive

554
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: and like very funny.

555
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: I've been training in voiceover, like animation voice Oh what

556
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: a world that is.

557
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about that world.

558
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: It's like I am obsessed.

559
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 2: I've never I never knew anything about it until I

560
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: started training it, and I was like, oh my god,

561
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: Like adults are the voices of.

562
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: Like nine year old kid, and like the way.

563
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 2: That people can just like it feels like they're morphing

564
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: into something else when they step into the booth. And

565
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: so I've been getting into a lot of animation just

566
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: at it. And so when I saw you doing that,

567
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,239
Speaker 2: I was like, that's cool. Oh mate, have fun. Have

568
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: so much fun with it.

569
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: I think it'll be hopefully we'll get to make it.

570
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 2: Oh you will one hundred I don't even I don't know,

571
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: but I take all the deadline like Hollywood stuff, like

572
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: I take that as bible.

573
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's happening. It was in the trades.

574
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: It's going a hundred.

575
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: So but how do you go from like you're learning

576
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: all this amazing stuff at SNL, but now you're doing

577
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: all these other things like WHOA. I imagined it'd be

578
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: scary to be like, Okay, thank you, I've learned all

579
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: this amazing so if I've loved my life here, I'm

580
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: going to jump.

581
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: It was so scary. It was so scary. But I

582
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: think that I really the the real I mean when

583
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: I was in the pandemic, I mean when we were

584
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: in the pandemic.

585
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, just me. You would have been New York.

586
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in New York and I was it

587
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: was during lockdown, and I kind of realized that there

588
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: was a lot of stuff in lockdown that I was enjoying,

589
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: which was like a real kind of like eye opener

590
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: for me because I was at SMLA is working like

591
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: eighty hours a week and you're just kind of your

592
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: stress system is you're so on high alert all the time,

593
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: and your body goes through so much and you have

594
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: to stay up really late, and also like you buloff

595
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: steam by partying and then it's like late night Chinese

596
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: food and all this stuff. And I just kind of

597
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: realized the toll it was taking on my mental and

598
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: physical health. And I loved it there, and I thought

599
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: for a certain time that I was going to sort

600
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 3: of be a lifer. And then I realized during lockdown

601
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: that like I didn't want my life to always be

602
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 3: like that, and that if I kept working there, I

603
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: was signing up for that lifestyle assistant.

604
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. That's also one thing that like Aussie's a.

605
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: Very This is a huge difference beween Assie's and Americans

606
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: like Ossie's do the nine to five are the white

607
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: pig it fit Like Australians, the dream is having a

608
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: hills hoist in your backyard.

609
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: You will probably not know what that is.

610
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: It's a type it's a type of clothesline like washing line,

611
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: so it's got it's got one main any Aussie, this

612
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: is an Aussie pod, so people are going to talk about.

613
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: So it's the one that goes up with all the

614
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: prom kids can spin around on it.

615
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: That's consider the Ausi dream.

616
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: If you've got a guarden big enough for a hills hoist,

617
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: gorgeous but our like.

618
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Speaker 1: Whereas in America the work ethic is like go go go, go,

619
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Speaker 1: go go go go, Go, go go, like it's the

620
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: eighty hour weeks.

621
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's it's really good that you were

622
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: so young able to figure out hang on. I love this,

623
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: but I also want to find some kind of balance

624
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: in mind.

625
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: It just wasn't sustainable and I could feely catching up

626
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: with me and also like I wanted to be at

627
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: the show when I still was loving it and having fun,

628
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: and I didn't want to stay burnt out. I didn't

629
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: want to do recycled material. I did don't want to

630
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: be uninvested because I think it's very hard to be

631
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: at a job that that's up, that is that difficult,

632
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: and be invested. Like the way that you kind of

633
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: survived there after a certain point is you go in

634
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: and you you know, maybe you are Oh, I don't

635
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: want to say this.

636
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: You got that.

637
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: Fight out I got and I was like, I feel

638
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: like this is gonna now. I feel like I'm talking

639
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: shit about some people.

640
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: Yes, anything you need, cut you just cut that.

641
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, how do I say

642
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: this politically? And then I was like, why am I

643
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: saying this at all?

644
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: How about I do you want me to give you?

645
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: Do you? Because I love what you.

646
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: Were saying about burnout a week, So I think that's amazing.

647
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: Huh do you want me to be like you know

648
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: how I said, like the American the Australian dreams.

649
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: You know way I can say, all right, I'll just

650
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: say the beginning part that I just said after that,

651
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: which was like, yeah, I just really wanted to stay

652
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: there when I was still having fun and I was

653
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: being inspired, and I wanted to leave on a really

654
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: good note, and I really did. I really had some

655
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: of the most fun in my last couple of months.

656
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 4: There.

657
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: Is it true that I throw parties when people to

658
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: late feel like rods when they live.

659
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: No, we have a writer's party every year, do you Yeah,

660
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: because the finale party at ESNL, But the after parties

661
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: ES and L are like so fun and that's every

662
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: every Saturday. I mean during the pandemic, we couldn't have them.

663
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: But I mean it's still going on the pandemic, but

664
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Yeah, I say that, but

665
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: we have the SNL has a Writer's party, which is

666
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: like an unofficial party that is no guests, and so

667
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: like you know, when you have the finale party or whatever,

668
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: people bring their significant others, people bring blah blah blah.

669
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: The writer's party is just like cast crew writers and

670
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: you just get wasted.

671
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: Oh how good?

672
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: I have to ask being an SNL fan, have you

673
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: ever had like a guest host come on and you're

674
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: just like, fuck, you're as awesome as I thought you'd be, Like, yeah,

675
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: an Adam Driver or is there anyone that you're just like,

676
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: you're freaking amazing And I thought you might be. But

677
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: you know, when you meet like a hero and sometimes

678
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: you're like, she's I meant a hero and they're not

679
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: that nice.

680
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean that happens. But I think the amazing

681
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: thing is when you're a fan of somebody and then

682
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: you meet them and it just like confirms everybody. Like

683
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: I loved watching Melissa McCarthy work. I just felt like

684
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: she was so kind but also very good at expressing

685
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: like what she wanted, what she needed, and like, you know,

686
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: just to not like I love being She told me that, like,

687
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: you know, being kind and nice and good to the

688
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: people that you're working with doesn't mean just like saying

689
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: yes to everything that they want, And like she was

690
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: extremely collaborative and really you could care. You could tell

691
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: that she really cared about making every sketch better. And

692
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 3: she's also such a sketch legend and a groundling that

693
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: it was like so awesome to see her work. And

694
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 3: she's just like the funniest woman in the world. And

695
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: Rue Paul, I mean, I was so excited for Rude

696
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 3: to host, and his energy is he is just a light.

697
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: He is just a light. And he's a laugher.

698
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: Epically tall as well, right.

699
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 3: Epically tall, so funny and a laugher. And I'm a laugher.

700
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: And I just love people who are like a live

701
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: wire and just will cackle us openly because you can

702
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: tell it like tickles them.

703
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

704
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: One of my favorite things watching is Noella is when

705
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: people break as well, and I always have to hape,

706
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: like even old old Jimmy fallon stuff where he's just

707
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: like can't hold himself toge. Oh yeah, especially when like

708
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: Will Ferrell just knows exactly what to do and he's

709
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 2: just breaking consistently over and over and over again.

710
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 3: You get the giggles. I mean, that's to what Loaf

711
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 3: is about.

712
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: Oh mate, Okay, so having such a fun time on

713
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 2: such an incredible show. But then so we're in Los

714
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: Angeles is now and You're writing all these other incredible

715
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: shows that are killing it, and I'm seeing huge billboards

716
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: as I drive down Sunset and whatnot. Like like so

717
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 2: the burnout was not the burnout but the inevitable burnout

718
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: that would have come. But like what made you go,

719
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: fe I I'm going to write these other shows like

720
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: I just did? You just want to like keep chasing

721
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 2: that feeling of like making people laugh.

722
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: I come back to that purpose.

723
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that has never gone away from me.

724
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 3: I think it was more about like I started in

725
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 3: sketch and improv, and then I was writing a lot

726
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: with Edie Bryant at ASNL and then she I was

727
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: lucky enough that she brought me in on her narrative

728
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: show Shrill, and that was such a new learning experience

729
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: for me because I was working on a narrative show

730
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: and there were jokes, but there was also like character

731
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 3: development and story structure and all these things that weren't

732
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 3: at SNL. And I was like, this is a new

733
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: challenge and a new thing, new skill sets that I'm

734
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: learning about. And my favorite thing now is when you

735
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 3: really care about a character because you've seen them grow

736
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 3: and they're really funny and I just kind of wanted

737
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: to keep I knew leaving SNL that that's what I

738
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 3: wanted to keep doing. It was like narrative, you know,

739
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: a half hour emotional but also funny, Like I knew

740
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: that that's what I want to do, and I just

741
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 3: basically was like looking for a job where I could

742
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: do that.

743
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: And it was shot at here.

744
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: Sure, it was shot in Portland, really, which was so fun.

745
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: I love Portland. I would coffee I could.

746
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: I've had this good coffee and poland Lola, you would

747
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: love it.

748
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: Oh it's coffee heaven, right, sign me out. Yeah, it's

749
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 3: like Seattle.

750
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: In that way.

751
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: I don't admit I think they're both bad. I think

752
00:36:59,200 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 3: they both suck.

753
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 2: So okay, So you're like, okay, I want yeah, character

754
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: driven and also I think as well, like as an

755
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: consumer of like I even with Shrill, like you automatically

756
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: invested like from date, from like the first two minutes

757
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: and you're just like, okay, I want to see you know, like,

758
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: and I think that's what's so exciting about your next

759
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: where you are now, and like the audience gets to

760
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: come on this journey with you. So I guess, like

761
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: I know this is a really hip big question. No, No,

762
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: I feel like you'd have a good Aussie accent in you.

763
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm I don't, but I was. Actually I was

764
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: out with her friend who's an Assi over the weekend

765
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: and I kept doing my Assi accent. She was like,

766
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 3: you sound New Zealand.

767
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: Her accent is much, for lack of a better word,

768
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: richer than mine.

769
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: She was like, Then when I was heading it, she

770
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: was like, it's in the back of your throat, your throw.

771
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: Because I was doing like fly the concords, I was like,

772
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: you get to keep like Jermaine prison like. I was

773
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 3: very nasal.

774
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 1: No, but that's amazing.

775
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: You want to me, you want to speak, We've got nasality.

776
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: It depends what part of Australia as well. Like so

777
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: our friend you're talking about is much more affluent and

778
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: like and like has that beautiful?

779
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: I would say, much more neutral accent.

780
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 3: I want to sound like Jamae if.

781
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: You want to sound like.

782
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: If you want to sound like jama you need to

783
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: go more on like the Naser stuffs great.

784
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: I know, thank you. I mean I love summer and

785
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: I also I love you absolutely.

786
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: I spoke in fashion. I dressed him for like he

787
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: like came in can I say the shyest person I

788
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: think of me? Really, but in a sweet way, not

789
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 2: like you know, just.

790
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: Oh my god. And I love Kath and Kim.

791
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: This is what I was saying. He broke tro but

792
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: you need to keep that. If you like Kath and Kim,

793
00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: keep the names.

794
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: I know, like that why maybe I was being Gasolt

795
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 3: not now, because I always want to be like when

796
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: i'm when I would watch Kathy Kim on like and

797
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 3: I look at look at my look at am Muriel's wedding. Okay,

798
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: now I'm really thinking that like when I was young.

799
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: Also strictly ballroom like all these movies really made Harpis Spitz, like, really,

800
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 3: do you remember Maryl's wedding?

801
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: I'd rather swallow raise a blade and Muriel do you

802
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: remember that?

803
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: And my mom is Iranian and so she cannot do accents.

804
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: I mean she got the English American accent down, but

805
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 3: still sometimes you know when she's tired, and she loved

806
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: Muriel's wedding when that movie came out, and she would

807
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: just always go, this is the one impression she could do.

808
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: Patty, Patty, Patty, do you know what you can I say, Look,

809
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: you've got a wonderful career.

810
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: You don't need any career advice for me.

811
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: But like usually Americans can't do an Aussie accent.

812
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: It's so I love accents and I love voices, and

813
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: it's it's been something that I've I've it's just been

814
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: something I've been obsessed with since I was little. And

815
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: I love slang. I love like love Island because I

816
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 3: love the slang. Whenever I meet somebody from a foreign country,

817
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: I like, what is like the weird word that I

818
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: don't know and I want to use it?

819
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: But mastered, I think you're already well on track for

820
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: the assail. Yeah, and it's that's a huge compro no,

821
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 2: but it actually is. I've had a lot like especially

822
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: being the improv of like everyone's like, oh, do an

823
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: Assy accent for you, and I'm like, that's South African.

824
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: Had South African is amazing, But like it's the Americans

825
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: get it mixed up with Aussie all the time. And

826
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: then the and then the New Zealand keyway. You know,

827
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: that's hard, that's that's hard again. But the trick is

828
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: your catchphrases fish and chips or keyway or we like

829
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: fish and chops huh and that's your that's how you

830
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: can see.

831
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: I didn't even know that. I would go fish and cheap.

832
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: Shops, fish and chops, and we would say fish and chips.

833
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

834
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: Oh, anyway, I'm totally like going down the d Do

835
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: you feel that way?

836
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: But do you feel that way in America? That like, oh,

837
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: that person sounds like this and this person sounds like that,

838
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: because Americans all sound very different.

839
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: Like totally so Like in improv school, I said, can

840
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 2: I not go up in a general American accent please,

841
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: even though I'm dialect trained in it. And I said,

842
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 2: because I need to be able to improv, I don't

843
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: want to.

844
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

845
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: And I said the same in voice school, and they're like,

846
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: the teacher goes, don't worry, We're going to think you're

847
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: so funny just because of your accent.

848
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: She's not wrong. I mean I think it needs to

849
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 3: be specific in comedy for sure.

850
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: I was like, Mate, I had no idea that Americans

851
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: just thought we were funny because of our accent alone. Okay, mate,

852
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: there are so many things. This is the hippie question

853
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, but got lost in all

854
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: their acting.

855
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: I could do that all day with you if we

856
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: looked into a crystal ball.

857
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: Because I am five years older than you.

858
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: What would five years look like?

859
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: Because I want to see, like it's a I think

860
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: everything you've done. I'm like bucket Lily, Like you've ticked

861
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 2: off loads of career bucketley stuff, like loads and loads

862
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: and loads loads of it. But and I love that.

863
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: I'm like nudging you into the answer that I want.

864
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: But like I want to see you on the screen

865
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: like in you know, would you I guess what I'm

866
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: trying to say is like what would you love to

867
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: tick off? Like what other things in the next like

868
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: five years would you love to tick off?

869
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: You're in Los Angeles City of Dreams.

870
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I would definitely love to perform more mate.

871
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: I would love to be.

872
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: Like, oh, we buying all the tickets in the opening.

873
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: Some funny friend in a show where I get like

874
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: four lines of scene and get to just kneel like

875
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, like I just want to come

876
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 3: in at the end and be like what did you say?

877
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: Like that's like my dream And yeah, I mean like

878
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: I really want to see something that is I wrote

879
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: by you know, that is my vision, not necessarily me

880
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: working towards somebody else's vision, but I would love to.

881
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 3: Like I think of it as like giving birth, Like

882
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: I just want to make my thing, you know what

883
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: I mean, Like whether that's a movie or like a

884
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: show that I get to create. Like I just I

885
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: really feel that need creatively to put that thing out

886
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 3: in the world that's not like a three minute sketch

887
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 3: that really is like what I want to say. And

888
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: so that's kind of what I'm working towards right now.

889
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, not to put an idea in your head here,

890
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: but you could write a book too.

891
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 3: I've always wanted to write a book. I've always wanted

892
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: to write a book, but I always think it's like.

893
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 4: Not.

894
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: I was just talking to a friend of mine who

895
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: wrote a novel over the weekend, and I was like,

896
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: was it hard, And he was like, I mean, you

897
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: don't really have to. It's not like a script where

898
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 3: like you have to have there's like such few real estate,

899
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: like you know, in a script, every single page has

900
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: to be doing something. Yeah, it's like it was hard,

901
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 3: but like if you've written a movie, it was, he said,

902
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 3: he said, which I mean I didn't say, but he

903
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 3: said that that part of it was easier than writing

904
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: scripts was that you get you can take your time,

905
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: which is what I love when I read novels, is

906
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: like I don't want to read like a little skinny thing.

907
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to read an epic. I'm going to read

908
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: something that I would never get to like watch or

909
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 3: like yeah you know and justin it like like that

910
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: there's more freedom in the forum.

911
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: Basically it's so interesting.

912
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: I think obviously like fiction versus nonfiction, but like just

913
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: even talking to you, I'm like.

914
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: Oh, you got to write a book.

915
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not it's not It isn't hard like and

916
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: that's not coming from but like if you've got the

917
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: formula of already being a writer anyway, remember it's the

918
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 2: same skill set.

919
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: It's just probably a longer timeline.

920
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can dip in and out or my

921
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 2: biggest tit for you is like book yourself a vacation

922
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: and start doing it in a whole different atmosphere.

923
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: Which a good idea.

924
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: Resets in your own chemistry and just yeah, that would

925
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: be my biggest tip because remember it's going to be

926
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: a different format to what your brain's naturally going to

927
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: want to click into.

928
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: It's so and I guess you would know this already.

929
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: You don't need to write like in chronological order or

930
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: anything like that.

931
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 3: I'm a big voment draft person.

932
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: Oh I love a voment draft.

933
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 3: I'm a big like, it doesn't matter the first time,

934
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: let's just get it down.

935
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: I always think that. And this is the thing I

936
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: never knew until I did my first book. You have

937
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: an editor.

938
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: So it goes back like thirteen fourteen times. So like

939
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: I used to hold onto that first manuscript draft and

940
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: be like, no, this needs to be perfect.

941
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: This is a triple virgo and needs to be perfect.

942
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: And then when I realized, oh wow, I get like

943
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: another ten reads of this. Yeah, that's another good thing

944
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: of letting go. Okay, this pot is called feelessly failing.

945
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: Has there been anything where you, like you auditioned for

946
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: something didn't get it, or like you really wanted to

947
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: be like working with someone didn't happen. Has there been

948
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 2: any trips along the way?

949
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 4: Yeah?

950
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that it was mostly I

951
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: can't really think of as although I'm sure that there

952
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 3: have been many of like oh, the job that got

953
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 3: away or whatever. I think it's mostly been like fucking

954
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 3: up on live television.

955
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: Really mocked up on life telling well.

956
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 3: I mean I have a lot of sketches out there

957
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 3: that have no no laughs, no no laughs.

958
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 4: Eaten shit, no absolute shit, and you're like, well, I

959
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: guess it's time to start drinking.

960
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: I mean, like things that have done okay at dress rehearsal,

961
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 3: and then you're like, you know, by like a prayer,

962
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 3: it gets on the show, and then like you're you're

963
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: just like did I want this on the show? And

964
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: I'm not like posting about it the next day or whatever,

965
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: just like I mean, there are many many moments where

966
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 3: I have just watched something eat absolute crap, and then

967
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: I like turn to like my writing partner fran or

968
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: like any other writer. Then I'm next door and I

969
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: just go, well, like it.

970
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: It's so good that you're sharing this, because I like,

971
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: so I started, I was like, I've got to watch there.

972
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: So I watched the Kanye Cornfield.

973
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Kanye Place, Yeah, the Quiet.

974
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: And then the Mayor Base down.

975
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: So now you're naming two of my hits and they

976
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: are amazing. Thank you, and when you hit your hit

977
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: and honey, when you eat shit, and you know, I've

978
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 3: definitely also had some solid sixes on television like you know,

979
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 3: they're on TV. I'm watching them being broadcast in the world,

980
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, that was a six or is

981
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: a seven? I've I've had things that played to silence,

982
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: and those are not easily googable because I've kind of

983
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: hidden them and people have also forgotten them, you know

984
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 3: what I mean. But that's kind of a nice thing too,

985
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: is like over the years or whatever, like you only

986
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 3: your legacy is really only the things that people liked

987
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: and nobody ever remembers like oh this you know.

988
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: This tagged yeah exactly.

989
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: Like so, other than like pouring yourself a drink, how

990
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: did you get over those times where you were like,

991
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 2: oh fuck, that wasn't even a six.

992
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: That was a I don't believe it was crap. But

993
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: you'll say, like the ones that et shit.

994
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 3: Well I believed in it at a point, otherwise it

995
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 3: wouldn't have written of And then even when it eat shit,

996
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: you have to be like, I'm the kind of person

997
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 3: that is like, ideas either work or they don't work,

998
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 3: and it doesn't mean that the idea was good or bad.

999
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: It just meant that it didn't work. And so it's like, Okay,

1000
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: that didn't work.

1001
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you know, that's pretty amazing to have that

1002
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: acceptance in the moment.

1003
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 3: Comedy is not control, you know, it is ephemeral anywhere,

1004
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 3: just kind of trying to tick enough boxes so that

1005
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 3: it plays as we say. But like I like, you know,

1006
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 3: have had things that I was dying at, dying at

1007
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: when I was writing, you know, me and two other people,

1008
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: we can't. We're on the floor laughing. We go into

1009
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: the table where we're like, this is about a murder.

1010
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: Everybody's gonna be absolutely sucking our dicks later. And you

1011
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: know what I mean, like other writer, someone that was

1012
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 3: somebody and he eats shit, plays to nothing, and then

1013
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: you know, I'll have like you know, somebody that I

1014
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 3: wrote it with. We're like why, why why? And I know,

1015
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, babe, we don't know. It's not it's like

1016
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 3: it made us laugh. It didn't make anybody else laugh.

1017
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: It could have been a million factors. It could have

1018
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: been like they didn't get it, or like the thing

1019
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: that we got about it, we didn't do a good

1020
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: job explaining, like babe, it happens. And I know, oh,

1021
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 3: and I know that there's like that's most of it,

1022
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 3: that's most of it.

1023
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: Oh, but thank you for saying that, because I think, like, obviously, yeah,

1024
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: like I see the epicness, but it's so nice to

1025
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 2: hear that even someone that has got all this wonderful

1026
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: stuff going on, it still fails.

1027
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 3: When I was leaving SNL and I was like working

1028
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: on this project and I was pitching this show, and

1029
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: it felt like very it felt very high stakes to

1030
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 3: me at the time because I was leaving SNL and

1031
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 3: I really wanted this thing that I was shopping around

1032
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: to really work, and so I was putting a lot

1033
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: of pressure around myself. And I was talking about in

1034
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 3: therapy and my therapist was like, well, what's the worst

1035
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: that could happen? And I was like, the worst that

1036
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 3: could happen with this project that I eat shit, That

1037
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 3: I go into these meetings and people are like, Okay,

1038
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: we don't like it, and I eat shit. And then

1039
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: she's like and have you eaten shit before? And I

1040
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: was like so much. And then I literally put above

1041
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 3: my desk the worst that could happen is you eat shit,

1042
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 3: because I've eaten so much shit and I'm like, all right, well,

1043
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: I guess there's another dinner of shit. Whatever. No, but I.

1044
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: Love that because you take the fear of like I

1045
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: think the fear of like the unknown is way bigger

1046
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: than actually just going straight through it.

1047
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 3: That's why next time you eat shit, you have to

1048
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 3: be like, well, at least now I know the taste

1049
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 3: of eating shit.

1050
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1051
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: I was gonna end by guying what advice would you

1052
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 2: have for like someone like a young writer that is,

1053
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: like I want to be a comedy writer or you know,

1054
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 2: but it sounds.

1055
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: Like you may have just given me that.

1056
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, what goes with eating a lot

1057
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: of shit is doing a lot. I mean just like

1058
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 3: do everything you can and don't and you know, because

1059
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 3: everything you're going to learn from every project that I

1060
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 3: have that hasn't moved forward, everything that I've written that

1061
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: is like up on a shelf somewhere. I learned a

1062
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 3: lot from the process and it made me a better writer,

1063
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 3: even if nobody ever sees it.

1064
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: Do you know you love this?

1065
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 2: I had an Australian author, crime crime author on the

1066
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: podcast and she got two hundred rejection letters and she's

1067
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,240
Speaker 2: now the biggest author in a stry.

1068
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: There you go.

1069
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? It's that same nothing's

1070
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: a waste as.

1071
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 3: Well as a waste because all those all those rejections

1072
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 3: probably just made her stronger.

1073
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: Mate Stoodie Green, I think you are so wonderful and

1074
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: thank you so much for jumping on this spot.

1075
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: I was so ef and nervous at the start. Why

1076
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: you're you?

1077
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: You're so like you're like like a beacon of amazingness.

1078
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: But you are so warm and just I don't know

1079
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: you mean you mean me feel really comfortable.

1080
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 4: I was.

1081
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: I was not nervous for you, just not okay. You

1082
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: worked in and I was like, this is she's a

1083
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: prow I was never nervous for you.

1084
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1085
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 2: You've absolutely made my day and I'm gonna put every

1086
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: all your links, everything about you, so to the listener,

1087
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: please follow along because.

1088
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: This person's great, big love.

1089
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing.

1090
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: As always, thank you to our.

1091
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: Guests, and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. I'm at

1092
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:13,279
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1093
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: On all streaming platforms.

1094
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,960
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1095
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,080
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