WEBVTT - CELEBRITY CASTING SECRETS REVEALED ✨ 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.520 Welcome back to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris, and 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.400 on this podcast, I'll be going behind the scenes with 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.720 the biggest players in television today. On the podcast, I 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.640 have a television genius. It's Georgina Harrap, the current IT 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:18.240 girl in television casting. Georgina has just collaborated with ITV 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.479 Studios and Channel ten with placing the current batch of 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.680 celebrities in the jungle for I'm a Celebrity. We'll also 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.560 find out why her quirky humor and nack for casting 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:31.640 has everyone in the business clamoring for her services. Georgina 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.239 has kicked more goals in television than you've probably had 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.559 hot Dinners, working as a talent agent, formerly the head 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.040 of casting for Channel seven plus, previously shaping the careers 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.920 of people like Rob Mills, Sam Frost, and currently Ev Jones. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:47.960 So what makes today's guest tick, Well, we're about to 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.800 find out. So we should probably get started with some 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.800 exclusive content as we find out how these shows get made. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:57.080 The thing is, when you're casting, you have to be 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.319 across everything. Just wait until you see who've round up 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.639 this year? You know, I watch everything. I watch all 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.760 the dramas, I watch all the reality shows. 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.080 You're not going anywhere, girl, You've got great potential. 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:11.160 You watch them, you think that person's that person's got something. 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:12.160 Like another celebrities or not. 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:16.160 You need to get people from all age groups. You 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.360 think you've seen it all, think again. Once you get 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:23.959 a bunch of really diverse, interesting people. It's riveting. People 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:24.880 like to watch people. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:26.319 Georgina, how are you? 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.759 I am very well, Thank you very much. 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:30.759 Ben, Well, that's good. I'm glad that you're here. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.840 Does anyone ever say shit out when you ask that question? 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:37.759 I'm waiting for it. I'm waiting for it. I think 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.920 it's a good thing to say. I spoke to so 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.560 many people in the industry and just to let you know, 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.959 everyone is obsessed with you, obsessed. So I'd like to 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.560 share with the audience something which hopefully is not too 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.920 embarrassing for you either. But I begged you to do 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:52.520 this chat. 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.400 You did. You even offered roses, but I've just found 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.400 out was an emoji rose. So I'm a little disappointed 0:01:58.440 --> 0:01:59.520 and I might hang up soon. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.520 Please don't now. I need to ask you what makes 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.360 you get out of bed when it comes to casting. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.720 Well, it's really it's the challenge very rarely in TV 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:15.680 is anything planned too far ahead. So usually when I 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:19.080 get a phone call, it's someone's been trying to cast 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.880 the show themselves and realize that it actually requires someone 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.240 with a skill set yeah, or that a lot of 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.399 people are quite organized, and go, we're about we're doing 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.679 a show. We've just got the green light from the network, 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.320 and here's the brief. And that's fine because you know 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.200 that it's never the same. It's rarely going to be 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.480 like we've got this show where we just need twelve 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.240 celebrities to sit still in a room for twelve hours 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.000 a day. It's always something a little unusual, and I 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:45.840 like unusual. 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.720 I prefer to deal with crazy people who genuinely are 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.960 okay with being crazy, then to deal with people who 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:53.680 are pretending to be something that they're not. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.280 Oh yeah, And you can see through that in a second, 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.520 you know, particularly when you're casting your show and you 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.480 get on the and sometimes you're talking to the manager. 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.919 You might be talking directly to the talent and they're 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.680 trying to sell themselves, and you know, straight away someone 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.480 says they're crazy. They're not. And I've done casting on 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.880 like Big Brother shows, just regular people coming in, you know, 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.400 doing that with a line outside some entertainment center and 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.399 they're coming in, You're asking to do things. You say, 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.720 you know, what's the most interesting thing about you? And 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:26.440 they say, I've got a tattoo of Elmo and you're like, well, 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.799 that's not exactly going to set someone's world on fire 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.560 when they're watching on TV. We asked for a three 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:36.400 minute video telling us a bit about themselves. I'm a 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.440 primary school teacher, teach grade three. 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:39.080 As a part time. 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:40.520 Jackreu and Peakanto as well. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.400 I'm a computer technician during the day, but once I 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:47.680 get that special phone call, I become the dragon. It's 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.000 the quiet ones. It's the ones that often don't say 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.120 much when you're casting a show that's not celebrity base 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.400 that you think, oh this, why is that person standing 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.080 in the corner and there's something about them rather than 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:00.800 the person trying to jump up in front of you 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.920 and get your attention. Yeah, so, yeah, you're right. It's 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:07.080 the crazy is good, but it's not always great TV. 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.560 What's the biggest lie that you've caught out someone when 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.320 doing casting where we don't want to say their names, 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:14.800 but feel free to say them if you want to. 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:16.159 Will end up in the Daily Mail. 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.479 Oh well, they pretend that they're not scared of heights, 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:24.360 or that they don't mind eating pigs testicles, and then 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.680 you find out that they're actually terrified of heights. But 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.279 they're doing it because they want the gig, which each 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.680 actually works out really well for the producers of the 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:36.919 show rather than them. They're the ones that suffer. Yeah, right, 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.719 So as far as lies, I don't think people really, 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.280 you know, most people you're talking to a lot of managers, 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.880 you hope they're not lying because if they do lie, 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.000 they always get caught out. 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.240 You've also you've just been assisting casting with I'm a 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:55.039 Celebrity and Alex Meverdiker said that you did a fantastic job. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.080 But what was that experience like for you? 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.720 Look, I love doing that show. It's one of those 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.200 shows I haven't done it before. I've sort of ticked 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.640 off a lot of those shows, like Dancing with the Stars, 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:06.800 you know, like you love doing those big as they 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.599 call them, the shiny floor shows for those ones. But 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.080 I'm a celeb was fun because I've watched the show. 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.719 I know what works and doesn't work, and the great 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.400 thing about it is working with that's a real team 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.000 of people that also know the show really well. I 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.040 mean Alex and Reema and Beth and all you know, 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.120 ben On, all those guys from ITV know that show 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.320 inside out. They know from a casting point of view 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.600 what they need and what they want. And Channel ten 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.520 the same Stephen Tate, it's his baby, it's the protective 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.120 of it, and they know that just a couple of 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.719 crap cast members can let the whole thing down. It's 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.679 one of those TV shows where a lot of people 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.039 sort of turn their eyes up it and go, oh, 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.359 it's I don't watch that show. It's crap, and what 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.400 is that show again? And you think, what a lot 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.240 of crap. You know it and you watch it, but 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.880 you pretend you don't. People often do that, you know 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.040 with reality shows. I like to pretend they don't watch them, 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.560 but they've of course seem to know every character and 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.440 what they do. But for that show, for me, it 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.359 was great because it was incredibly collaborative. So you can't 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.240 come in as a casting producer and start to sort 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.599 of put your hands and hips and tell them this person, 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.200 this person, this person. All you can do is fight 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:16.960 for the people that you really think are going to 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.479 work on it, and give them a good reason as 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:24.160 to why, and good producers will listen. And that's when 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.720 it really works. When you're casting a show with really 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.880 good EPs and good producers, they'll listen and they'll, you know, 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.920 take your advice. And the thing is, when you're casting, 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.159 you have to you have to be across everything. You know. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.719 I watch everything. I watch all the dramas, I watch 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.920 all the reality shows, so I know, and I watch 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.440 you know, I watch ABC, SBS. You know, because a 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.719 lot of people say, oh, you know, working commercial TV, 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:48.920 you need to know the commercial people. But quite often 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.200 it's the people that are working on other networks that 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.160 you suddenly you watch them. You think that person's that 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.679 person's got something or that'd be interesting in the mix. 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.160 You know. I'm always sort of looking at and that's 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.000 it's really nice and you can just throw them, throw 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.200 them in the mix, and they go, oh god, that's 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.039 a great idea. I hadn't thought about them, wouldn't they 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.200 work well with blah blah blah. So for working on 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.480 that show and watching it, go to wear is great 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:16.400 fun because watching it at the moment, everyone is pretty 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.400 much behaving how I thought they would. There's always surprises. 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.200 But it is a strange thing sitting back and watching 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:24.800 the edit because I'm nothing to do with the edit 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.760 and a lot of the people sitting in the jungle 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.720 don't even know that I'm the person that made the 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.240 phone call to the manager. It is one of those 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.120 things where I've done a lot of shows like that 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.520 where the show's been to wear and it's gone and 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.040 I run into someone at some sort of industry event 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.600 and I've walked on said hi, and Georgina, I actually sorry, 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.360 but the one who made you take your pants off 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.600 from the Full Monty. I never thought I'd actually be 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.920 asked to take my top off and get my boobs 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:57.680 out on national television. And then they go oh, and 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.559 then they go, oh, no thanks. I love doing that show. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.560 And so it's actually, really it's a nice It's always 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.280 you know, I don't really walk up to people and 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.360 I know they had a terrible experience. You know, I 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.720 don't go to zigzag through the room to seek out 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.320 those people. But yeah, I'm a celeb is I think 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.280 it's a great show. You know, it makes you laugh. 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.920 And I was sitting at home watching it the other 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:23.600 night and I cried and I texted the guys on 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.560 the show and I said, all right, you cracked me. 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.200 You know, you made me cry. And it really was 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.680 one of those moments where I didn't expect. I was like, damn. 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.040 I thought it was hard enough, you know, to sort 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.160 of go, this is just TV, you know, but but 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.560 you know, it's once you get once you get a 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:41.120 bunch of really diverse, interesting people, you know, confined in 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:46.120 the space. It's riveting. People like to watch people, and 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.760 there was every chance to that she pulled Terri. She 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.559 might not even remember any of us, which was quite heartbreaking, 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.360 you know, one of the toughest times. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:01.720 And how old was she? Twenty seven? It's so fascinating. 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.960 And you know, the interesting thing is the ratings are 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.680 so high for this season, like it's the highest I 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.920 think that they've had. And I think that has a 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.240 lot to do with casting. But why do you think 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.440 that this mix now that they're in there have connected 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.640 with audiences, Because you can get a fantastic show that 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.120 you go, oh, this is great. I've cast this really 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.520 well and it's working for us, but then the audiences 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.400 don't love it, you know what I mean, why do 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.600 you think that this cast has resonated with its audience 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:29.079 so much. 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.439 Ah. Look, it's always hard to figure out what they do. 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.400 I mean, if you knew the formula, then every show 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.560 you cast you just sort of make the phone calls 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.320 and tick them off and sit back with your feet up. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.000 I mean it's often hard to predict it, you know 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.360 in your heart, like you know that there's certain people 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.839 that are going to be warm and friendly, and other 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.480 people are going to be a bit prickly and other 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.120 people sometimes not so much with this show, but other 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:54.560 shows have done that. You know, you've got to tick 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.120 off the AFL player and the rugby player so you 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.920 get the Sydney audiences and the Melbourne audiences. 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:00.480 Yeah. 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:05.040 Sometimes it's a formula that you use because you need 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.200 to get people from all age groups that can sit 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.360 down with their family. There's very few shows that people 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.960 sit down with their family and watch anymore, a show 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.080 where you know that your sixteen year old daughter like 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:17.959 mine will sit down and go, I know two of 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:19.480 the people on the show, but who are those other 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.600 people that they get to discover them? Or their parents 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.880 at home go oh, we grew up with Tony Perron, 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.400 you know, she used to be the person we watched 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.920 on TV. So a lot of it is that sort 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.080 of sharing experience when you've got generations watching your show 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.160 like that, and that's important. You can't just put a 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.160 show like I'm a cleb full of people of one 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:42.440 age group from one place. It just it's not interesting. Yeah, 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:43.319 it just doesn't work. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.600 So when you're running things past the cast and you're 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.040 trying to get them on the show, because there's going 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:48.440 to be people out there that don't want to do 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.239 these shows, you go, oh, come and do I'm a celebrity. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:56.400 Was it being in Australia a selling point over Africa? 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:57.920 Or were people like, yes, I want to do the 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.079 show and they were disappointed that they didn't get to 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.439 go to Africa, Like was it a change this year 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.480 being that it was being filmed at home? 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.079 You know what. I think that people were a bit 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.520 relieved because no one wanted to. I think even if 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.160 there was the opportunity to get on a plane to 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.319 go to Africa, I think that people would have been frightened, 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.439 you know, and I think it people would have felt unsafe. 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.920 So I just think that it made sense. It wasn't 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:23.560 one of those phone calls where I was making to 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.960 either the managers or talent where they were like, oh, well, 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.640 I'm not doing it because it's not in Africa. And 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.040 I think that for a lot of people, it's an extra, 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.319 you know, added thing they need to think about when 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.199 they're going to Africa because they're so far away from 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.319 their family. You know, even though in the in the 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.040 Australian jungle as they call it, it's they're still not 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.240 seeing their family, but they know they're not far away. 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.520 It felt like it was probably easier to get some 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.640 people because of that, because they didn't feel though too 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:51.640 far away from their family. 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:53.760 When you put out a call to say some of 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.200 these celebrities, you're like, I saw them on SBS or 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.080 however you've come across them and you call them and 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.400 they go, oh, I don't know. Do you scratch them 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.160 off the list? And they never get another shot? Like 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:05.280 what happens to those people? 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:09.440 If there's some people that are deluded, we love the 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.720 deluted where they think they're going to get another crack 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.400 at it, and what they need to understand and what 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.760 their manager needs to understand, is that they're hot right now, 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.880 or they've just come off a show and the audiences 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:28.840 are interested, so they're not going to be as valuable 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.400 in a year's time or even for the next series, 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:32.760 which could be at the end of the year. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.280 So what sort of personality archetype is the best suited 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.319 to reality television in your mind? 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.480 A big dickhead. I don't think there is any one type. 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.800 You can't just say, oh that, you know, it just 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.600 doesn't work like that, you know. That's the magic of it. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.760 It's you know, you can't just say they need to be, 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.480 you know, a sports person that can walk and talk 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.200 on camera and read an aud a cube it also 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.000 be funny. It's like it depends on the show and 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.880 what you're putting them in, you know. It's like, sometimes 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.679 you want people to be vulnerable. Sometimes you want them 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:09.280 to be larger than life. You want that character. It's 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.120 a bit like Brant Jenu at the moment on I'm 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.800 a Celeb, he's just on. He's so used to being 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.640 on TV and on that he's just he's not sitting 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.360 there quietly watching people in the corner. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.720 What do you think the audience wants most, because like 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:29.280 when you watch reality television, there's different things that connect. 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.320 But there's a word I can think of that. I 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:37.000 think audiences want most and that's the currency between being 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.280 on screen and the audience falling in love with you. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:40.200 What do you think that is? 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:44.640 You know, I think people like seeing people fail. I 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:49.120 think people like seeing people being triumphant. You know. That's 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.320 why I think Dancing with the Stars is always a show. 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.960 When I talk to people about doing that show, it's like, 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.640 no one ever comes out of that show badly because 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.280 you know, they're having a crack and it's really hard, 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.160 they're having to learn and something. They're being a living 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:02.760 amount of time to do it, and most people seeing 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.560 on the couch going god, I couldn't do that. So 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.520 they like seeing people succeed and they like I think 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.559 people like connecting and people like crying. You know, people 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:14.480 like sitting at home going oh god, like I did 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.200 the other day I was caught out myself. People go like, 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:22.480 I really, that was a really raw moment and you know, 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.040 a really beautiful moment of TV. People like that and 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.480 people talk about that afterwards, did you see that thing? 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.400 But they also love seeing someone, you know, slap someone 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.000 or throat drinking someone's face on Housewives or something. So 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.480 who knows we're all people, and we all you know, 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.800 we all love a bitch, we love a bit of 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:40.920 a cat fight. We're love a little bit of a 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:41.480 punch up. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.800 And when you get home, get your husband to review 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:48.520 your medication because medication dosterone level needs to come down 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:50.600 and everything else needs to come up. 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.720 Good luck with your deck of cards for. 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.720 Your life, because that's all you've got is a deck 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.480 of cards that are back to Topple in the Lind. 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.920 I think what's amazing is you can be a good 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.480 person and you can be a bad person. But as 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:11.000 long as you're authentic, I think audiences will relate because 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.680 they're like, oh, that's a real person, and that's I 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:14.720 think that's the currency. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:15.040 For me. 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.960 I'm like, Okay, as soon as I connected believing that 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.160 that person is going through something and it's a human moment, 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.400 I'm like, that's the cash. That's the ding ding ding 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:25.000 moment for me. 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.520 Yeah. But then you've got someone like Frez Durrani, who 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:31.400 I love. When he did sas you know, did he 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.400 come out of that well, I don't know. I mean 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.640 I thought he was brilliant television. I loved watch him 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:39.240 on that because I was thinking, yeah, I'd tell him 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.280 to get stuff too. Someone's told me to do four 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.440 hundred push ups and tell me to jump in the mud, 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.760 So you kind of and I think that was him 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.920 being himself. But did the audience like that or did 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:52.640 they like the way he was edited? Probably not? 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.600 Number ten Merrick is fit up unleashing on number eleven 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.920 for us who has proven himself to be incapable of 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:02.280 keeping his mouth. 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:03.560 Shut three in a row. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.200 But we're all done with. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.600 What are you done with? We're done with? 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:13.040 You? Govin off to the yes, mate, don't say anything, 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.680 don't say shit to us, get through the course. 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.000 What are you screaming about? 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.400 Mate? I think it was good television. It was interesting 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.920 for me. What I think is also interesting is the 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.800 media loves to grab onto something and then villainize someone. 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.800 And I think that Sas was so popular and they 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.760 were getting so many clicks in the industry about Sas. 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.400 They were like, just keep talking about how awful this 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:38.400 man is on this show. 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:39.360 I did feel for him. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.600 What do you say to him? Though? After the experience? 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.120 Did he say? Oh God, I wish I wouldn't have 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:44.520 done that. I mean, what do you say when someone 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.160 comes out of reality? Television and they don't get the 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:48.080 experience they wanted. 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.520 Well, I didn't cast that show, so I didn't cast 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.360 him on it. But I had cast him on the 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.600 Real Dirty Dancing, which was fun. It was where they 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.200 all went to the lake resort where they did the 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:02.480 film Dirty Dancing, and was a really fun TV show 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.320 where they got to where you really saw who he was. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.520 You know, he's a show off, he's got a good 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.159 sense of humor, he loves to give you everyone a cuddle, 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.320 and he was a lovely guy. And then suddenly he 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:16.879 does this other show and he's portrayed as someone that, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:18.720 like you said, you know, the media wanted to jump 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:20.720 onto something, which is fine. You know that's what they're 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:22.840 going to do because it's there has to be something 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.560 to talk about. But look, I haven't really I haven't 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:32.560 actually had anyone call me afterwards and have a crack, said, 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:36.200 I wish I hadn't have done it, even the real 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.920 full Monty shows, which I loved casting that. I love 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.680 those shows. They I mean you're asking people to take 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.399 their gear off. You know. I always think that after 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.240 doing those shows, every casting job should be easy. So 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.400 it's like, yeah, yeah, sure, I've got people of table 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.479 pants and you know, girls to flash their boobs. But 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:56.960 it was a messaging. It was one of those shows 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.359 where literally people did the show. People walked on the 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.040 street after the show had been to where and said, 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.520 you know what, I watched that show went and got checked. 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.800 You know, I had prostate cancer. I got onto it early. Thanks. 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.800 I'm not, you know, And I haven't cast the shows 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.679 where you're putting regular people on TV, like the Bachelorettes 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.119 and those sort of shows where you literally thrown people 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.400 in who don't really understand TV. And I'm sure there's 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.480 plenty of those people, you know, if married at first 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.240 sight all those sort of shows, who probably walk out 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:29.040 and think, God almighty, what just happened? But I think 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:32.119 the shows that I'm casting a celebrity based and they 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.960 know what they're getting themselves into. And so no, I 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.560 you know, I haven't had any horses heads left on 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:39.840 the end of my bed yet. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:41.919 You know, what sort of framing do you do for 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.480