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Speaker 1: Hello, this is doctor Justin Coulson here with miss Happy

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Speaker 1: Families Kylie, mum to our six kids on the founder

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Speaker 1: of Happy Families dot com dot U. Hey, just before

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Speaker 1: for the Misconnection Summit. It's happening in the early part

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Speaker 1: Misconnection Summit. You will not believe how amazing the content is.

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Speaker 1: It's going to change your life if you've got those

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Speaker 2: Well at school holidays up and down the Eastern.

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Speaker 1: Seaboard, We're taking a couple of weeks off to be

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Speaker 1: with our family. We can finally get away and enjoy

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Speaker 1: some family time after everything that the pandemic has put

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Speaker 1: everyone through for so long.

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Speaker 3: And I guess the good news is even if you

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Speaker 3: That's got to alleviate some of the anxiety and stress

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Speaker 3: in families around the country, we really hope.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, we're replaying some of our favorite episodes from

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Speaker 1: during the many of which you've probably miss We thought

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Speaker 1: that you would love this one. It was a listener

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Speaker 1: question that came through this time from a mum wondering

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Speaker 1: if there might be an indirect impact on our children

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Speaker 1: based on what we say about ourselves. It's the Happy

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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just

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Speaker 2: wants answers.

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Speaker 1: Now, changing our self talk isn't instantly going to change

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum

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Speaker 1: and dad. Hello, this is doctor Justin Colson, the author

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Speaker 1: of six books about raising happy families. And I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: and one of our six daughters, missus Happy Families, Kylie,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is too impolite. Kylie's been

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Speaker 1: Apple podcasts app. I'm going to talk more about that shortly,

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Speaker 1: but Taran send us an email. Taran's an Adelaide and

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Speaker 3: It's the Happy Families Podcast, the podcast for the time

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Speaker 3: poor parent who just wants answers now. And before the break,

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Speaker 1: Crazy, how do you explain that is that we've actually.

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Speaker 3: Talk about this all day, but clearly we have a

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Speaker 3: Doctor Justin Colson, so can you give me three take

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Speaker 1: And for our literally take these messages home. That's what

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Speaker 1: Number one. Your self talk matters, Your words create your world.

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