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<v Speaker 1>What are you something really weird or find out a

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<v Speaker 1>juicy little secret. Well, you've come to the right place. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>it is me Art Simone. I have been scouring the

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<v Speaker 1>ends of the earth to find people who look painfully

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary and seem very regular, but at concealing something exciting,

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<v Speaker 1>scandalous or even a little bit naughty. But they're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to give up their secret that easily. No, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to do a bit of detective work to first

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<v Speaker 1>find out what it is. Trust me, it's worth all

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<v Speaker 1>of my hard work. This is concealed with me, Art Simone.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to meet our guess. Roll the tape.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, I'm Max. I'm thirty six and I live in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>My working career is in policy and research, and I

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of consultancy, writing and advocacy on really

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<v Speaker 2>nerdy stuff that I'm very passionate about, which is very

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<v Speaker 2>different to the other work that I'm probably more well

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<v Speaker 2>known for.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Ah, well I know Max. Well, I know you Max,

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<v Speaker 1>So this hasn't happened before I have normally this is

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<v Speaker 1>a blind date, all right, But this is a wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>reveal for me because I know I recognize you.

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<v Speaker 3>Done, Yes, I recognize you.

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<v Speaker 1>I've known you for many a year or slash known

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<v Speaker 1>of you. I'm very appreciative of your work in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. You know it's very aspirational. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to make you feel bad, but sometimes you make me

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm quite lazy, which is quite sad because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just juggling a lot of Please. I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work. It's a lot of work, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know how you do it. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually know what you're concealing, and I have a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good idea of what you're going to reveal. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not the only one who gets to play this game.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to continue as usual and ask you

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<v Speaker 1>three questions and see if you listening right now. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you can figure it out far away. Do you collect anything? Yeah, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I do dust. I collect really nerdy things.

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<v Speaker 2>I have an extensive like board game and Dungeons and Dragons.

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<v Speaker 1>You're part of the Dungeons Crew, Yeah, I am. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your character?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, I have a few, but my favorite one

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<v Speaker 2>by far is this fantastical druid so like nature magic

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<v Speaker 2>person called Kitten, and he's one hundred and twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Years old and he's a big himbo and I love

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<v Speaker 3>him very himbo. A himbo is like a masculine bimbo.

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<v Speaker 3>So like that just so.

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<v Speaker 1>Many times over the years, and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what that is, and I just kept scrolling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no thoughts, just that, oh himbo, I call them

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<v Speaker 2>prawn Yeah yeah, works, Okay, So himbao is the proem.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all learning things. Ye yeah, okay, that's beautiful. That's

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<v Speaker 1>really nice. Okay. And what is the last reality TV

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<v Speaker 1>show you binged?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's a lot in my repertoire, but I recently

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<v Speaker 2>binged Blown Away.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a competition show, but it's super niche.

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<v Speaker 2>They are professional glass blowers, so they're artists making these

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful little sculptures and things. So if you give me

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<v Speaker 2>with the glory yeah, yeah, yeah, glory every time there's

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<v Speaker 2>a gloryhole joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. After the first episide when they reveal that they

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<v Speaker 1>will call gloryholes, I just laughed.

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<v Speaker 2>And now in subsequent seasons it comes up with like

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<v Speaker 2>gloryhole and a definition, and it's like, didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Realize in the first season they were like, why is

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<v Speaker 1>your road laughing?

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<v Speaker 3>What was going on?

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<v Speaker 2>But they're very serious about their art, and it's very

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<v Speaker 2>serious art, and it's not even like putting a spin

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<v Speaker 2>on it. They say something like, and I just shove

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<v Speaker 2>it in the gloryhole.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like it's so good, so good. Okay. A

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<v Speaker 1>final question, do you have any tattoos?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, which I would say people would be aware of

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<v Speaker 2>considering my work.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got two of.

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<v Speaker 2>My thighs and one on my abdomen. They're not too exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>One's just a portrait of this man's head that Potato

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<v Speaker 2>artist is kind of known for. They're like a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit surrealist and sevador dally like the head flips open

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<v Speaker 2>and the stuff coming out.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's pretty cool. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Has that been coming out of your head?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's a hand coming out of it and a butterfly.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the other one that I really like is

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<v Speaker 2>this mythical again nerdy D and D stuff creature that

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<v Speaker 2>is like a stag with wings that is meant to

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<v Speaker 2>be like a bad fortune, bad omen but mine is

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<v Speaker 2>bright pink. So it's kind of like a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more fun gay. Yeah, a lot more gay, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more gay.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So to recap you, collecked board games and dungeon

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<v Speaker 1>and Biggs is things. Yes, beautiful, and your character is

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<v Speaker 1>a himbo and you like glory holes from blowing the bay. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have tattoos of a man's head and pink.

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<v Speaker 3>Gay things, pink gay things.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, And from that we need to guess what

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<v Speaker 1>you are concealing, what you do outside of your nine

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<v Speaker 1>to five I'm not going to guess because I already know,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's reveal it.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a porn performer. When I've had about fifteen releases,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's they all become a blur. I

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<v Speaker 2>know that sounds dumb, but they do become a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a blur. But I have been doing that and

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<v Speaker 2>other forms of sex work for about a decade.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here we are with porn sum mags. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm finally actually going to talk to you now.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we have to talk around the porn.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like when you see a mole you just want

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<v Speaker 1>to say, male, I just wanted to get when it

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<v Speaker 1>has come out of my man porn good say now

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<v Speaker 1>I feel so free, so free being censored, you know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So we just have that Max has a nine to

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<v Speaker 1>five job which has something that I don't actually remember

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<v Speaker 1>the job of that. Yes, but Max is also a

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<v Speaker 1>porn star. Yes, a pond star is in my presence. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to get interesting. Ah, So I'm here

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<v Speaker 1>world famous porn star Max is in my presence. But

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to clarify that's not how I know Max.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what maxes work, of course, but that's not

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<v Speaker 1>just how I know Max. We have many mutual friends. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that. That's bad to know Max for that. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing a whole. I can hear myself. I can

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<v Speaker 1>hear myself doing a hole right now. But also, who

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<v Speaker 1>gives a shit ified you from your work? It's a

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<v Speaker 1>bloody good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people that's like how they know me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I like, I think it's interesting. People always like

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<v Speaker 2>oh and they get a bit timid about it. But like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do porn for people not to watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>So right, it's very too. So it's it's okay that

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<v Speaker 2>you know me from my pawn. Everyone, it's okay. They

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<v Speaker 2>probably never heard you speak so much. No, no, absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably have a very limited who are yes, yeah, more

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<v Speaker 1>if you run into something the look you have a

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<v Speaker 1>familiar face if you just go they got that sit

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<v Speaker 1>that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I yeah, I have had It's happened quite a few

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<v Speaker 2>times where like someone recognizes me and like I am

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<v Speaker 2>a bit coy. And I also like, if it's in

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<v Speaker 2>a group setting, I don't want to be like I've

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<v Speaker 2>done porn.

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<v Speaker 3>You've probably watched.

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<v Speaker 2>It, but instead I just a'm like, oh, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I like I get around. You may have seen me

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<v Speaker 2>here and there, and eventually the penny drops and you

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<v Speaker 2>can tell they they blush or they lose their words

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<v Speaker 2>mid sentence, which is kind of adorable when that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, me and pretty fun.

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<v Speaker 3>And look at that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's better than the alternative than like someone interrupting and

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<v Speaker 2>being like I've seen your porn and I'm like sitting

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<v Speaker 2>there having dinner with my parents or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Both sound fun, tod like they know they're super supportive,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm very fortunate as a porn star and as

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<v Speaker 2>a sex worker to have that support. Not everyone has that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think you know, if you're having brunch, don't

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<v Speaker 2>run up to a porn start and be like you

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<v Speaker 2>do porn. I mean, I can already pull so many

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<v Speaker 2>comparisons change you and me, right, we're both very well

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<v Speaker 2>known for our work. It's just slightly different, ever, so

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<v Speaker 2>slightly different, I know, just a little bit. I have

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<v Speaker 2>to work with others.

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<v Speaker 1>You do too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we both play well with others.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. I also have to do solo works. You do too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>The big difference probably is the amount of clothing that

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<v Speaker 1>we're wearing. Yes, yes, but also you have to do

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<v Speaker 1>things that I don't have to, like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>a bit more upkeep.

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit more upkeep. But it's both performance. I

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<v Speaker 3>get perform. Yeah, we're both performers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it terminology in the porn world.

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<v Speaker 2>That is correct that you are. You're a performer. I

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<v Speaker 2>never say porn star myself. I'm happy when others do.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I think that's the Australian tall poppy thing

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<v Speaker 2>of having tickets on yourself, I would never be like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a pool and star, yeah, whereas other people do

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<v Speaker 2>when they're comfortable with that. But I think just with

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<v Speaker 2>porn and sex work and stuff in general, it is

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes stepping into a role or a persona that you're

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<v Speaker 2>really well recognized for that is also different to how

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<v Speaker 2>you are in your personal life too, and striking a

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<v Speaker 2>balance between that is really important. But I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of performers outside of porn also need to strike

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<v Speaker 2>that balance as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's go all the way back. I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of questions to you, but let's go back. How

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<v Speaker 1>did you get into the porn world.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was pretty organic and natural because.

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<v Speaker 3>I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry, you were baiting by light w making

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<v Speaker 1>stupid dad jokes all the time. Please do not be offended,

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<v Speaker 1>but they just come out. I can't hold them back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sorry, I mean, look, everything's going to go back

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<v Speaker 2>to Gloriahole. But the I think for me, it was

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<v Speaker 2>like naturally. I did life modeling for years, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, modeling. I was an artist myself, so

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<v Speaker 2>I went to art school and I just got distracted

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<v Speaker 2>by the real world and then you know, the grind of.

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<v Speaker 3>Making money, stop doing stop it. And then when I

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<v Speaker 3>was a student, I started doing life modeling. It pays

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<v Speaker 3>really well.

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<v Speaker 2>I had photos and stuff of myself kind of go viral.

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<v Speaker 1>At what point in your life did you look in

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<v Speaker 1>the mirror and go, yeah, it's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's still a process, that's a work in progress.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is one photo that a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 2>took of me, maybe like five or six years ago now,

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<v Speaker 2>and it changed the perception that I saw of myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd done a lot of really cool work until then.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a life modeling photo. I'm completely naked, I

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<v Speaker 2>look completely amazing. I was vegan at the time and

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<v Speaker 2>very hungry, so I'm really ripped and it's this amazing

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<v Speaker 2>black and white photo and I was like.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm actually really hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm pretty hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it changed my perception of myself because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people compliment you all the time. You're beautiful, You're gorgeous,

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<v Speaker 2>things like that, and like, in reality, maybe it's because

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<v Speaker 2>I was like a really unpopular kid and I took

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<v Speaker 2>a while to grow into my looks.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's something that you have no control over.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm always being a person that's I guess being

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<v Speaker 2>more concerned with like being clever or being kind or

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<v Speaker 2>being personal to people. So when people only compliment you

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<v Speaker 2>on your looks, it's like, ah, thanks. Like it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to process, but that photo made me be like, oh fuck, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you could do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to touch on body image for a second. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I feel like we have parallels that I know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people that adjacent to the industry and

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<v Speaker 1>that look like the most beautiful adonuses you've ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>in your life, but they have like the biggest self

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<v Speaker 1>body image issues, like and it's so funny because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the same thing for me as.

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<v Speaker 3>A drag queen.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I like cover myself with so much stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so I'm covered in glitter and dimontes and lashes

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<v Speaker 1>and anything to be discuring. Literally, I'm excuring what people

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<v Speaker 1>can see because like I'm just like, well, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure about that what's underneath, but at least I can

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<v Speaker 1>make you see what I want to. So it's very

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to see the parallels.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think coming from like life modeling and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, I didn't have a very negative view

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<v Speaker 2>of my body ever, which is interesting that porn and

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<v Speaker 2>performing and stuff, you have to look a certain way,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to go to the gym a lot, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be watching what you eat, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>bit I hate. I don't mind working out, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mind all of that activity. I just I really hate

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<v Speaker 2>saying no to food. I love food, and it is

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<v Speaker 2>it's really good. Particularly I have a sweet tooth, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, if there's cake on offer, my like my

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<v Speaker 2>pupils expand and I hone in on the cake, like

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<v Speaker 2>just need it, doesn't need it. But yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>for me, porn scrutinized my body image a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>and put me in a headspace that I wasn't used to.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't used to seeing myself so much and having

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<v Speaker 2>to look a certain way to be on film. So

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<v Speaker 2>even though porn gets a bad rap for like perpetuating

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<v Speaker 2>body image stuff, it is also still what people buy

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<v Speaker 2>and consume, and there are a lot of negative comments

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<v Speaker 2>when performers don't look a certain way. So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how do we change people's porn habits, but people

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<v Speaker 2>want hot bodies that look a certain way.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for me, sometimes I can't watch back what I've

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<v Speaker 1>feel good of what I've done. Do you watch back

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<v Speaker 1>your work?

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<v Speaker 2>Not really, not the big studio stuff as well, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>You see what made the cush.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have watched it like this actually took six hours. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's one thing is that the shoots are so

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<v Speaker 2>much longer than maybe the twenty minutes for me. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is the other thing is the more people that

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<v Speaker 2>are on set scene. So as soon as you go

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<v Speaker 2>beyond too into the morsums, into the orgy kind of territory,

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<v Speaker 2>it takes a lot longer because there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>More moving parts.

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<v Speaker 2>Made me laugh, but there's a lot of moving parts

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<v Speaker 2>and not just you know, the sexy parts, the crew

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<v Speaker 2>plus the crew and everyone's trying to like the pressure

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<v Speaker 2>is on in those circumstances as well. You don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to be the one that doesn't deliver correct so you

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<v Speaker 2>don't even let the tea, don't be the last one.

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<v Speaker 2>The bigger the scene, the longer it takes. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>also like pretty exhausting. But it actually sound fun, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, I can't sound less fun than it. It

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<v Speaker 2>is super fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the fans content just seems so like just actually

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<v Speaker 1>just shoved the camera up where they had fun. But

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest studio stuff, it sounds like so much hard work.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's like a mini film set, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>in a way, and I'd be so cald.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen I've seen some of those sets that you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about, and if you put a bitch at like

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<v Speaker 1>a bedside table that is not a set, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much. There's no set decided going in.

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<v Speaker 3>There and like lines of stilted, terrible violence.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, but no, it's like it can be a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit rose colored glasses. Like I remember it really nicely,

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<v Speaker 2>but then when I watched the scenes back, I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that was like we've been filming for two hours and

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<v Speaker 2>I was over it this day, or like I had

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<v Speaker 2>like as an Australian, you often have jet lag on set,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're like, I just want to go to bed,

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<v Speaker 2>but we have to get this shot. So when you

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<v Speaker 2>watch it back, it's not it's not as sexy as

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<v Speaker 2>it is for other people that weren't there that are

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<v Speaker 2>just getting to appreciate it for face value?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they plan what happens is and they're like, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're going to go and do this with this

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<v Speaker 1>person and then you're going to finish first, but then

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to go over and do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So some bits can be all gad, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>where's the fun in the moment. Some bits are fun

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<v Speaker 2>and in the moment, like if someone's feeling a particular way,

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<v Speaker 2>they can complete their scene. But if completely scene, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>using that now I've completed my thank you en scene.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Like brand of applause and a wet towel please. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so some things can happen organically. But there is also

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<v Speaker 2>like times where like they need certain types of content.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how explicit I can be, but like we.

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<v Speaker 2>Need, yeah, we need we need three more minutes of hardcore,

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<v Speaker 2>which might be like close ups of right going in

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<v Speaker 2>certain places, yes, or we need a wide shot of

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<v Speaker 2>what you were just doing, so you kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>like a film, you reset and you do the exact

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<v Speaker 2>same position.

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<v Speaker 3>Like continuity. I try to because I have perfection.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. It's like because I've worked on seventy sets

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<v Speaker 1>and things and I'm a stickler for concontinuity, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think of it like sometimes they don't even care. No,

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<v Speaker 1>but when we last did this, I was here and

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<v Speaker 1>this was there, so we have to go back to that.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's really simple things like in real life, we

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<v Speaker 2>people may be verbal in certain ways. You probably say

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the same things over and over again

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<v Speaker 2>or grown in a really similar way, whereas in porn,

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<v Speaker 2>if you do it too much, then it's really noticeable,

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<v Speaker 2>so like they're like, mix it up, don't say fuck

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<v Speaker 2>here anymore, don't say yes daddy, maybe exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever had to deliver dialogue in a scene?

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<v Speaker 3>Please?

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<v Speaker 1>I have to know because I've seen bits, but I

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<v Speaker 1>just see the bits on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the cringe bit for me, because often I think

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be really good at it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's about the partners that are actually like

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<v Speaker 1>not giving you something to work.

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<v Speaker 2>I need the energy and the energy. No, it can

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<v Speaker 2>just be really hard sometimes because they don't give you

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<v Speaker 2>keep one seing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard. Porn is hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It is hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be difficult synonym because they don't necessarily give

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<v Speaker 2>you a script, but they give you story beats, so

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of have to add a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 2>I've had some awkward things. I've had like people being

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<v Speaker 2>on holidays and they're like like very cliche, they're like

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<v Speaker 2>the pool boy. Or I've had like really complicated step

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<v Speaker 2>parent arrangements I've had right, I've had like accidental like

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<v Speaker 2>sneaking out on a partner to go hook up.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it already.

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<v Speaker 2>You film the little bee real stuff also completely out

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<v Speaker 2>of sequence. You might film that twenty minutes before everything

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<v Speaker 2>kicks off, or sometimes you film it at the end

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<v Speaker 2>after all of the bells and whistles have happened as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just want to go to bed love.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm tired the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like you like, as queer people we

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<v Speaker 1>have to come out?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Most times I wish that wasn't the reality. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you've had had to have a second coming

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<v Speaker 1>out with your career?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>I think sex work generally, I've definitely had to come

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<v Speaker 2>out again in various different ways in various social settings.

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<v Speaker 2>With the advocacy that I've done around sex worker riots

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that, I've been really conscious of the

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the privilege I have being a man like

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<v Speaker 2>sis white man that I've been able to be a

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<v Speaker 2>face out worker. I've also very fortunate that my family

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<v Speaker 2>is super supportive. All of my friends know. Even in

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<v Speaker 2>my very boring work, a lot of my colleagues know.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's not something that I try and hide. It's

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<v Speaker 2>something that informs my lived experience kind of allows me

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<v Speaker 2>to be a little bit more truthful, and it also

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<v Speaker 2>allows me to be truthful about things like boundaries and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. Why something would make me uncomfortable, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think is really important too.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you find it's hard for people to separate you

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<v Speaker 1>from your job because I struggle all the time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like an issue that I have consistently where people

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<v Speaker 1>just think that either I am that's the most crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful studying drag queen all the time all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>or they're only interested in that side of me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think that is very similar.

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<v Speaker 2>I think people they like a few things happen is

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<v Speaker 2>like they're having, particularly with a porn performance, They're having

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<v Speaker 2>an intimate experience with you that I created.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but I'm not part.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not actively part of that intimate moment that they're

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<v Speaker 2>making for themselves or with you know, loved ones, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know they might spice it up family. They form

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<v Speaker 2>a bond with you that you don't necessarily have back.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also a weird fan space because you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stigma around sex work and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was already a pretty shy person even though

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an exhibitionist.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make sense like I'm a porn performer.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love being naked and I love being sexy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I love making people feel sexy.

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<v Speaker 3>On your terms correct.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's where people forget, is that they

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<v Speaker 2>think that they can interact with me like I'm this

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<v Speaker 2>porn object, this sex doll, and I'm not. I'm a person,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think boundaries are really important. And I also

0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.760
<v Speaker 2>think like it's also maybe raising the awareness to like

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you're burnout and you don't have time to re

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<v Speaker 2>educate someone, but in the times that you.

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<v Speaker 3>Do, it can be really important to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like like one thing that I'm sure you've probably experienced

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<v Speaker 2>as well as people have an entitlement to your body

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't reflect normal social norms.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of parallel. So I'm going to keep

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<v Speaker 1>bringing it back. Drag and porn, dragon porn. Oh, there

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<v Speaker 1>we go, dragon pod, dungeons and dragons porn.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I can play the dragon. I put

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<v Speaker 1>the drag and dragon. But how are you juggling your

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<v Speaker 1>nine to five really interesting job that I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>with your other work At the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>In Australia, our industry is a lot smaller. The studios

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<v Speaker 2>aren't really based here, so at the moment I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>really been filming big studio porn because Australia's borders were

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<v Speaker 2>shut for a large chunk of the last couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>and even with OnlyFans. Lately, I've not been posting as

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<v Speaker 2>much because really the pandemic affected me like it has

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<v Speaker 2>affected a lot of people. I've experienced a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>burnout and then it was very weird space to still

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<v Speaker 2>be making content and making porn and trying to feel

0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:41.879
<v Speaker 2>sexy when you can't leave the house wasn't really a

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<v Speaker 2>vibe and it really did burn me out. And also

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<v Speaker 2>as well, like I was studying full time and doing

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<v Speaker 2>my masters across the pandemic as well, so I just

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<v Speaker 2>had all of these other things happening that weren't porn related,

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<v Speaker 2>and it also felt like porn was taken off the

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<v Speaker 2>table a little bit because I couldn't travel anymore, which

0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:02.720
<v Speaker 2>was a total boma. But I'm keen to as things

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<v Speaker 2>are changing and I find a new balance with my

0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.119
<v Speaker 2>very boring guys, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Really exciting job that I can't get your career, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to give you. Don't I give you

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<v Speaker 1>feel bad that at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, it's just lots of big words. So but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think with as I find this new balance, I

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<v Speaker 2>should be able to do it again. And also what

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<v Speaker 2>I've really struggled with at the time is that I'd

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<v Speaker 2>produce things and put money and effort into things, and

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<v Speaker 2>you put it on your only fans, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>know a week later it's been like screen captured from

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<v Speaker 2>your only fans, and then it's on a free porn site.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was really damaging in the lockdown because I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I this is I have no other income

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<v Speaker 2>and someone's stealing from me. It's fine if it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the big studios, because like I've been paid and

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<v Speaker 2>I've got you're not getting any more money past that point.

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<v Speaker 1>But when it's your own content being taken, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>small business. How do care you? Just from business? This

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<v Speaker 1>is my lemonade stands.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks a little bit different to everyone else's, but

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<v Speaker 2>this is my little lemonade.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just squeezing things. There's some really strange scenes in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, and really strange with if you could guess

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<v Speaker 1>in and perform in any one of them. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>like spice, aliens, intergalactic or medieval lapping or.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do this is going to reveal me

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but I love the porn parodies where

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<v Speaker 2>they throw a bit of coin at it and it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually substantive and it makes a lot of sense. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>either want to do that where you get a proper

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<v Speaker 2>script and like like your yeah, maybe yeah, or being

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<v Speaker 2>the extra that does like the not in front of

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<v Speaker 2>my salad kind of like you shot up for twenty minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>you collect your paycheck, you go home and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Walks in, or it's like yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh your mom haws you with our steps up who knows? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Like that that that is a great paycheck to get

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<v Speaker 2>is twenty minutes of work and then on my way.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so good. That's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to close out with a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a like brainstorm such game.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought one hundred percent thought you want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to close out with a dick joke is

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<v Speaker 2>what I thought you.

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<v Speaker 1>But we can be very close to it. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going so obvious, but I want to know what you

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<v Speaker 1>can say in both your jobs. What's something you can say?

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<v Speaker 1>What are your performances that you can also say, you're nine.

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<v Speaker 3>To five, let's make the world a better place.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, what a treat. Max was so good to see

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<v Speaker 1>him again. And you know he's got two laughs, two jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>two careers. Get both of them. He's working hard change

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<v Speaker 1>the world. And that is a wrap on Season one

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<v Speaker 1>of Concealed with Art Simone. Oh, it has been an

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<v Speaker 1>absolute pleasure talking into your little earlobes. You've been listening

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