Speaker 1: What are you something really weird or find out a
Speaker 1: juicy little secret. Well, you've come to the right place. Hello,
Speaker 1: it is me Art Simone. I have been scouring the
Speaker 1: ends of the earth to find people who look painfully
Speaker 1: ordinary and seem very regular, but at concealing something exciting,
Speaker 1: scandalous or even a little bit naughty. But they're not
Speaker 1: going to give up their secret that easily. No, I
Speaker 1: have to do a bit of detective work to first
Speaker 1: find out what it is. Trust me, it's worth all
Speaker 1: of my hard work. This is concealed with me, Art Simone.
Speaker 1: Time to meet our guess. Roll the tape.
Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Max. I'm thirty six and I live in Melbourne.
Speaker 2: My working career is in policy and research, and I
Speaker 2: do a lot of consultancy, writing and advocacy on really
Speaker 2: nerdy stuff that I'm very passionate about, which is very
Speaker 2: different to the other work that I'm probably more well
Speaker 2: known for.
Speaker 1: Hello, Ah, well I know Max. Well, I know you Max,
Speaker 1: So this hasn't happened before I have normally this is
Speaker 1: a blind date, all right, But this is a wonderful
Speaker 1: reveal for me because I know I recognize you.
Speaker 3: Done, Yes, I recognize you.
Speaker 1: I've known you for many a year or slash known
Speaker 1: of you. I'm very appreciative of your work in the world.
Speaker 1: Thank you. You know it's very aspirational. I don't want
Speaker 1: to make you feel bad, but sometimes you make me
Speaker 1: feel like I'm quite lazy, which is quite sad because
Speaker 1: I'm just juggling a lot of Please. I know it's
Speaker 1: a lot of work. It's a lot of work, and
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how you do it. I
Speaker 1: actually know what you're concealing, and I have a pretty
Speaker 1: good idea of what you're going to reveal. But I'm
Speaker 1: not the only one who gets to play this game.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to continue as usual and ask you
Speaker 1: three questions and see if you listening right now. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can figure it out far away. Do you collect anything? Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I do dust. I collect really nerdy things.
Speaker 2: I have an extensive like board game and Dungeons and Dragons.
Speaker 1: You're part of the Dungeons Crew, Yeah, I am. Okay.
Speaker 1: What is your character?
Speaker 2: Oh god, I have a few, but my favorite one
Speaker 2: by far is this fantastical druid so like nature magic
Speaker 2: person called Kitten, and he's one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 3: Years old and he's a big himbo and I love
Speaker 3: him very himbo. A himbo is like a masculine bimbo.
Speaker 3: So like that just so.
Speaker 1: Many times over the years, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what that is, and I just kept scrolling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no thoughts, just that, oh himbo, I call them
Speaker 2: prawn Yeah yeah, works, Okay, So himbao is the proem.
Speaker 1: We're all learning things. Ye yeah, okay, that's beautiful. That's
Speaker 1: really nice. Okay. And what is the last reality TV
Speaker 1: show you binged?
Speaker 2: Oh, there's a lot in my repertoire, but I recently
Speaker 2: binged Blown Away.
Speaker 3: It's a competition show, but it's super niche.
Speaker 2: They are professional glass blowers, so they're artists making these
Speaker 2: beautiful little sculptures and things. So if you give me
Speaker 2: with the glory yeah, yeah, yeah, glory every time there's
Speaker 2: a gloryhole joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah. After the first episide when they reveal that they
Speaker 1: will call gloryholes, I just laughed.
Speaker 2: And now in subsequent seasons it comes up with like
Speaker 2: gloryhole and a definition, and it's like, didn't.
Speaker 1: Realize in the first season they were like, why is
Speaker 1: your road laughing?
Speaker 3: What was going on?
Speaker 2: But they're very serious about their art, and it's very
Speaker 2: serious art, and it's not even like putting a spin
Speaker 2: on it. They say something like, and I just shove
Speaker 2: it in the gloryhole.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's so good, so good. Okay. A
Speaker 1: final question, do you have any tattoos?
Speaker 2: Yes, which I would say people would be aware of
Speaker 2: considering my work.
Speaker 3: I've got two of.
Speaker 2: My thighs and one on my abdomen. They're not too exciting.
Speaker 2: One's just a portrait of this man's head that Potato
Speaker 2: artist is kind of known for. They're like a little
Speaker 2: bit surrealist and sevador dally like the head flips open
Speaker 2: and the stuff coming out.
Speaker 3: But it's pretty cool. I love it.
Speaker 1: Has that been coming out of your head?
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a hand coming out of it and a butterfly.
Speaker 2: And then the other one that I really like is
Speaker 2: this mythical again nerdy D and D stuff creature that
Speaker 2: is like a stag with wings that is meant to
Speaker 2: be like a bad fortune, bad omen but mine is
Speaker 2: bright pink. So it's kind of like a little bit
Speaker 2: more fun gay. Yeah, a lot more gay, a lot
Speaker 2: more gay.
Speaker 1: Okay. So to recap you, collecked board games and dungeon
Speaker 1: and Biggs is things. Yes, beautiful, and your character is
Speaker 1: a himbo and you like glory holes from blowing the bay. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you have tattoos of a man's head and pink.
Speaker 3: Gay things, pink gay things.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And from that we need to guess what
Speaker 1: you are concealing, what you do outside of your nine
Speaker 1: to five I'm not going to guess because I already know,
Speaker 1: so let's reveal it.
Speaker 2: I am a porn performer. When I've had about fifteen releases,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's they all become a blur. I
Speaker 2: know that sounds dumb, but they do become a bit
Speaker 2: of a blur. But I have been doing that and
Speaker 2: other forms of sex work for about a decade.
Speaker 1: Now here we are with porn sum mags. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm finally actually going to talk to you now.
Speaker 2: Okay, we have to talk around the porn.
Speaker 1: It's like when you see a mole you just want
Speaker 1: to say, male, I just wanted to get when it
Speaker 1: has come out of my man porn good say now
Speaker 1: I feel so free, so free being censored, you know. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we just have that Max has a nine to
Speaker 1: five job which has something that I don't actually remember
Speaker 1: the job of that. Yes, but Max is also a
Speaker 1: porn star. Yes, a pond star is in my presence. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is going to get interesting. Ah, So I'm here
Speaker 1: world famous porn star Max is in my presence. But
Speaker 1: I would like to clarify that's not how I know Max.
Speaker 1: I know what maxes work, of course, but that's not
Speaker 1: just how I know Max. We have many mutual friends. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that. That's bad to know Max for that. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm doing a whole. I can hear myself. I can
Speaker 1: hear myself doing a hole right now. But also, who
Speaker 1: gives a shit ified you from your work? It's a
Speaker 1: bloody good stuff.
Speaker 2: A lot of people that's like how they know me,
Speaker 2: and I like, I think it's interesting. People always like
Speaker 2: oh and they get a bit timid about it. But like,
Speaker 2: I don't do porn for people not to watch it.
Speaker 2: So right, it's very too. So it's it's okay that
Speaker 2: you know me from my pawn. Everyone, it's okay. They
Speaker 2: probably never heard you speak so much. No, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Probably have a very limited who are yes, yeah, more
Speaker 1: if you run into something the look you have a
Speaker 1: familiar face if you just go they got that sit
Speaker 1: that's it.
Speaker 3: That's where I know.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I have had It's happened quite a few
Speaker 2: times where like someone recognizes me and like I am
Speaker 2: a bit coy. And I also like, if it's in
Speaker 2: a group setting, I don't want to be like I've
Speaker 2: done porn.
Speaker 3: You've probably watched.
Speaker 2: It, but instead I just a'm like, oh, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: I like I get around. You may have seen me
Speaker 2: here and there, and eventually the penny drops and you
Speaker 2: can tell they they blush or they lose their words
Speaker 2: mid sentence, which is kind of adorable when that happens.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, me and pretty fun.
Speaker 3: And look at that.
Speaker 2: It's better than the alternative than like someone interrupting and
Speaker 2: being like I've seen your porn and I'm like sitting
Speaker 2: there having dinner with my parents or something like that.
Speaker 2: Both sound fun, tod like they know they're super supportive,
Speaker 2: Like I'm very fortunate as a porn star and as
Speaker 2: a sex worker to have that support. Not everyone has that,
Speaker 2: but I think you know, if you're having brunch, don't
Speaker 2: run up to a porn start and be like you
Speaker 2: do porn. I mean, I can already pull so many
Speaker 2: comparisons change you and me, right, we're both very well
Speaker 2: known for our work. It's just slightly different, ever, so
Speaker 2: slightly different, I know, just a little bit. I have
Speaker 2: to work with others.
Speaker 1: You do too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we both play well with others.
Speaker 1: Yes. I also have to do solo works. You do too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the time.
Speaker 1: The big difference probably is the amount of clothing that
Speaker 1: we're wearing. Yes, yes, but also you have to do
Speaker 1: things that I don't have to, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: a bit more upkeep.
Speaker 3: A little bit more upkeep. But it's both performance. I
Speaker 3: get perform. Yeah, we're both performers.
Speaker 1: Yes, it terminology in the porn world.
Speaker 2: That is correct that you are. You're a performer. I
Speaker 2: never say porn star myself. I'm happy when others do.
Speaker 2: But if I think that's the Australian tall poppy thing
Speaker 2: of having tickets on yourself, I would never be like
Speaker 2: I'm a pool and star, yeah, whereas other people do
Speaker 2: when they're comfortable with that. But I think just with
Speaker 2: porn and sex work and stuff in general, it is
Speaker 2: sometimes stepping into a role or a persona that you're
Speaker 2: really well recognized for that is also different to how
Speaker 2: you are in your personal life too, and striking a
Speaker 2: balance between that is really important. But I think a
Speaker 2: lot of performers outside of porn also need to strike
Speaker 2: that balance as well.
Speaker 1: So let's go all the way back. I've got a
Speaker 1: lot of questions to you, but let's go back. How
Speaker 1: did you get into the porn world.
Speaker 2: Well, it was pretty organic and natural because.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, you were baiting by light w making
Speaker 1: stupid dad jokes all the time. Please do not be offended,
Speaker 1: but they just come out. I can't hold them back.
Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, I mean, look, everything's going to go back
Speaker 2: to Gloriahole. But the I think for me, it was
Speaker 2: like naturally. I did life modeling for years, so that's
Speaker 2: like you know, modeling. I was an artist myself, so
Speaker 2: I went to art school and I just got distracted
Speaker 2: by the real world and then you know, the grind of.
Speaker 3: Making money, stop doing stop it. And then when I
Speaker 3: was a student, I started doing life modeling. It pays
Speaker 3: really well.
Speaker 2: I had photos and stuff of myself kind of go viral.
Speaker 1: At what point in your life did you look in
Speaker 1: the mirror and go, yeah, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's still a process, that's a work in progress.
Speaker 2: But there is one photo that a friend of mine
Speaker 2: took of me, maybe like five or six years ago now,
Speaker 2: and it changed the perception that I saw of myself.
Speaker 2: I'd done a lot of really cool work until then.
Speaker 2: It's like a life modeling photo. I'm completely naked, I
Speaker 2: look completely amazing. I was vegan at the time and
Speaker 2: very hungry, so I'm really ripped and it's this amazing
Speaker 2: black and white photo and I was like.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm actually really hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it changed my perception of myself because you know,
Speaker 2: people compliment you all the time. You're beautiful, You're gorgeous,
Speaker 2: things like that, and like, in reality, maybe it's because
Speaker 2: I was like a really unpopular kid and I took
Speaker 2: a while to grow into my looks.
Speaker 3: But it's something that you have no control over.
Speaker 2: So I'm always being a person that's I guess being
Speaker 2: more concerned with like being clever or being kind or
Speaker 2: being personal to people. So when people only compliment you
Speaker 2: on your looks, it's like, ah, thanks. Like it's hard
Speaker 2: to process, but that photo made me be like, oh fuck, yeah,
Speaker 2: you could do this.
Speaker 1: I do want to touch on body image for a second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I feel like we have parallels that I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people that adjacent to the industry and
Speaker 1: that look like the most beautiful adonuses you've ever seen
Speaker 1: in your life, but they have like the biggest self
Speaker 1: body image issues, like and it's so funny because it's
Speaker 1: like the same thing for me as.
Speaker 3: A drag queen.
Speaker 1: That's why I like cover myself with so much stuff.
Speaker 1: That's so I'm covered in glitter and dimontes and lashes
Speaker 1: and anything to be discuring. Literally, I'm excuring what people
Speaker 1: can see because like I'm just like, well, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure about that what's underneath, but at least I can
Speaker 1: make you see what I want to. So it's very
Speaker 1: interesting to see the parallels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think coming from like life modeling and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, I didn't have a very negative view
Speaker 2: of my body ever, which is interesting that porn and
Speaker 2: performing and stuff, you have to look a certain way,
Speaker 2: you have to go to the gym a lot, you
Speaker 2: have to be watching what you eat, which is the
Speaker 2: bit I hate. I don't mind working out, I don't
Speaker 2: mind all of that activity. I just I really hate
Speaker 2: saying no to food. I love food, and it is
Speaker 2: it's really good. Particularly I have a sweet tooth, so
Speaker 2: I'm like, if there's cake on offer, my like my
Speaker 2: pupils expand and I hone in on the cake, like
Speaker 2: just need it, doesn't need it. But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: for me, porn scrutinized my body image a little bit
Speaker 2: and put me in a headspace that I wasn't used to.
Speaker 2: I wasn't used to seeing myself so much and having
Speaker 2: to look a certain way to be on film. So
Speaker 2: even though porn gets a bad rap for like perpetuating
Speaker 2: body image stuff, it is also still what people buy
Speaker 2: and consume, and there are a lot of negative comments
Speaker 2: when performers don't look a certain way. So I don't
Speaker 2: know how do we change people's porn habits, but people
Speaker 2: want hot bodies that look a certain way.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, sometimes I can't watch back what I've
Speaker 1: feel good of what I've done. Do you watch back
Speaker 1: your work?
Speaker 2: Not really, not the big studio stuff as well, because
Speaker 2: it's it's weird.
Speaker 1: You see what made the cush.
Speaker 2: So I have watched it like this actually took six hours. Okay,
Speaker 2: So that's one thing is that the shoots are so
Speaker 2: much longer than maybe the twenty minutes for me. And
Speaker 2: this is the other thing is the more people that
Speaker 2: are on set scene. So as soon as you go
Speaker 2: beyond too into the morsums, into the orgy kind of territory,
Speaker 2: it takes a lot longer because there's a lot.
Speaker 3: More moving parts.
Speaker 2: Made me laugh, but there's a lot of moving parts
Speaker 2: and not just you know, the sexy parts, the crew
Speaker 2: plus the crew and everyone's trying to like the pressure
Speaker 2: is on in those circumstances as well. You don't want
Speaker 2: to be the one that doesn't deliver correct so you
Speaker 2: don't even let the tea, don't be the last one.
Speaker 2: The bigger the scene, the longer it takes. And it's
Speaker 2: also like pretty exhausting. But it actually sound fun, to
Speaker 2: be honest, I can't sound less fun than it. It
Speaker 2: is super fun.
Speaker 1: Like the fans content just seems so like just actually
Speaker 1: just shoved the camera up where they had fun. But
Speaker 1: the biggest studio stuff, it sounds like so much hard work.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like a mini film set, I guess
Speaker 2: in a way, and I'd be so cald.
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen some of those sets that you
Speaker 1: talk about, and if you put a bitch at like
Speaker 1: a bedside table that is not a set, thank you
Speaker 1: very much. There's no set decided going in.
Speaker 3: There and like lines of stilted, terrible violence.
Speaker 2: Oh god, but no, it's like it can be a
Speaker 2: little bit rose colored glasses. Like I remember it really nicely,
Speaker 2: but then when I watched the scenes back, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that was like we've been filming for two hours and
Speaker 2: I was over it this day, or like I had
Speaker 2: like as an Australian, you often have jet lag on set,
Speaker 2: so you're like, I just want to go to bed,
Speaker 2: but we have to get this shot. So when you
Speaker 2: watch it back, it's not it's not as sexy as
Speaker 2: it is for other people that weren't there that are
Speaker 2: just getting to appreciate it for face value?
Speaker 1: Do they plan what happens is and they're like, right,
Speaker 1: so you're going to go and do this with this
Speaker 1: person and then you're going to finish first, but then
Speaker 1: you're going to go over and do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So some bits can be all gad, I know,
Speaker 2: where's the fun in the moment. Some bits are fun
Speaker 2: and in the moment, like if someone's feeling a particular way,
Speaker 2: they can complete their scene. But if completely scene, I'm
Speaker 2: using that now I've completed my thank you en scene.
Speaker 3: Thank you thank you.
Speaker 2: Like brand of applause and a wet towel please. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so some things can happen organically. But there is also
Speaker 2: like times where like they need certain types of content.
Speaker 3: I don't know how explicit I can be, but like we.
Speaker 2: Need, yeah, we need we need three more minutes of hardcore,
Speaker 2: which might be like close ups of right going in
Speaker 2: certain places, yes, or we need a wide shot of
Speaker 2: what you were just doing, so you kind of like
Speaker 2: like a film, you reset and you do the exact
Speaker 2: same position.
Speaker 3: Like continuity. I try to because I have perfection.
Speaker 1: I know. It's like because I've worked on seventy sets
Speaker 1: and things and I'm a stickler for concontinuity, and I
Speaker 1: think of it like sometimes they don't even care. No,
Speaker 1: but when we last did this, I was here and
Speaker 1: this was there, so we have to go back to that.
Speaker 2: And it's really simple things like in real life, we
Speaker 2: people may be verbal in certain ways. You probably say
Speaker 2: a lot of the same things over and over again
Speaker 2: or grown in a really similar way, whereas in porn,
Speaker 2: if you do it too much, then it's really noticeable,
Speaker 2: so like they're like, mix it up, don't say fuck
Speaker 2: here anymore, don't say yes daddy, maybe exactly.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had to deliver dialogue in a scene?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 1: I have to know because I've seen bits, but I
Speaker 1: just see the bits on.
Speaker 2: That's the cringe bit for me, because often I think
Speaker 2: you'd be really good at it.
Speaker 1: I think it's about the partners that are actually like
Speaker 1: not giving you something to work.
Speaker 2: I need the energy and the energy. No, it can
Speaker 2: just be really hard sometimes because they don't give you
Speaker 2: keep one seing.
Speaker 3: It's hard. Porn is hard.
Speaker 1: It is hard.
Speaker 2: It can be difficult synonym because they don't necessarily give
Speaker 2: you a script, but they give you story beats, so
Speaker 2: you kind of have to add a little bit. But
Speaker 2: I've had some awkward things. I've had like people being
Speaker 2: on holidays and they're like like very cliche, they're like
Speaker 2: the pool boy. Or I've had like really complicated step
Speaker 2: parent arrangements I've had right, I've had like accidental like
Speaker 2: sneaking out on a partner to go hook up.
Speaker 1: I love it already.
Speaker 2: You film the little bee real stuff also completely out
Speaker 2: of sequence. You might film that twenty minutes before everything
Speaker 2: kicks off, or sometimes you film it at the end
Speaker 2: after all of the bells and whistles have happened as well.
Speaker 1: Like I just want to go to bed love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm tired the guy.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you like, as queer people we
Speaker 1: have to come out?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Most times I wish that wasn't the reality. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like you've had had to have a second coming
Speaker 1: out with your career?
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: I think sex work generally, I've definitely had to come
Speaker 2: out again in various different ways in various social settings.
Speaker 2: With the advocacy that I've done around sex worker riots
Speaker 2: and things like that, I've been really conscious of the
Speaker 2: I guess the privilege I have being a man like
Speaker 2: sis white man that I've been able to be a
Speaker 2: face out worker. I've also very fortunate that my family
Speaker 2: is super supportive. All of my friends know. Even in
Speaker 2: my very boring work, a lot of my colleagues know.
Speaker 2: Because it's not something that I try and hide. It's
Speaker 2: something that informs my lived experience kind of allows me
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more truthful, and it also
Speaker 2: allows me to be truthful about things like boundaries and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Why something would make me uncomfortable, which
Speaker 2: I think is really important too.
Speaker 1: Do you find it's hard for people to separate you
Speaker 1: from your job because I struggle all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like an issue that I have consistently where people
Speaker 1: just think that either I am that's the most crazy,
Speaker 1: beautiful studying drag queen all the time all the time,
Speaker 1: or they're only interested in that side of me.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that is very similar.
Speaker 2: I think people they like a few things happen is
Speaker 2: like they're having, particularly with a porn performance, They're having
Speaker 2: an intimate experience with you that I created.
Speaker 3: Yes, but I'm not part.
Speaker 2: I'm not actively part of that intimate moment that they're
Speaker 2: making for themselves or with you know, loved ones, because
Speaker 2: you know they might spice it up family. They form
Speaker 2: a bond with you that you don't necessarily have back.
Speaker 2: It's also a weird fan space because you know, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of stigma around sex work and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So I was already a pretty shy person even though
Speaker 2: I'm an exhibitionist.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense like I'm a porn performer.
Speaker 2: And I love being naked and I love being sexy,
Speaker 2: and I love making people feel sexy.
Speaker 3: On your terms correct.
Speaker 2: And I think that's where people forget, is that they
Speaker 2: think that they can interact with me like I'm this
Speaker 2: porn object, this sex doll, and I'm not. I'm a person,
Speaker 2: And I think boundaries are really important. And I also
Speaker 2: think like it's also maybe raising the awareness to like
Speaker 2: sometimes you're burnout and you don't have time to re
Speaker 2: educate someone, but in the times that you.
Speaker 3: Do, it can be really important to do that.
Speaker 2: Like like one thing that I'm sure you've probably experienced
Speaker 2: as well as people have an entitlement to your body
Speaker 2: that doesn't reflect normal social norms.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of parallel. So I'm going to keep
Speaker 1: bringing it back. Drag and porn, dragon porn. Oh, there
Speaker 1: we go, dragon pod, dungeons and dragons porn.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 1: I feel like I can play the dragon. I put
Speaker 1: the drag and dragon. But how are you juggling your
Speaker 1: nine to five really interesting job that I can't remember
Speaker 1: with your other work At the moment.
Speaker 2: In Australia, our industry is a lot smaller. The studios
Speaker 2: aren't really based here, so at the moment I haven't
Speaker 2: really been filming big studio porn because Australia's borders were
Speaker 2: shut for a large chunk of the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: and even with OnlyFans. Lately, I've not been posting as
Speaker 2: much because really the pandemic affected me like it has
Speaker 2: affected a lot of people. I've experienced a lot of
Speaker 2: burnout and then it was very weird space to still
Speaker 2: be making content and making porn and trying to feel
Speaker 2: sexy when you can't leave the house wasn't really a
Speaker 2: vibe and it really did burn me out. And also
Speaker 2: as well, like I was studying full time and doing
Speaker 2: my masters across the pandemic as well, so I just
Speaker 2: had all of these other things happening that weren't porn related,
Speaker 2: and it also felt like porn was taken off the
Speaker 2: table a little bit because I couldn't travel anymore, which
Speaker 2: was a total boma. But I'm keen to as things
Speaker 2: are changing and I find a new balance with my
Speaker 2: very boring guys, it's.
Speaker 1: Really exciting job that I can't get your career, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't want to give you. Don't I give you
Speaker 1: feel bad that at all.
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's just lots of big words. So but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think with as I find this new balance, I
Speaker 2: should be able to do it again. And also what
Speaker 2: I've really struggled with at the time is that I'd
Speaker 2: produce things and put money and effort into things, and
Speaker 2: you put it on your only fans, and then you
Speaker 2: know a week later it's been like screen captured from
Speaker 2: your only fans, and then it's on a free porn site.
Speaker 2: And that was really damaging in the lockdown because I
Speaker 2: was like, I this is I have no other income
Speaker 2: and someone's stealing from me. It's fine if it's one
Speaker 2: of the big studios, because like I've been paid and
Speaker 2: I've got you're not getting any more money past that point.
Speaker 1: But when it's your own content being taken, I'm a
Speaker 1: small business. How do care you? Just from business? This
Speaker 1: is my lemonade stands.
Speaker 2: It looks a little bit different to everyone else's, but
Speaker 2: this is my little lemonade.
Speaker 1: It's just squeezing things. There's some really strange scenes in
Speaker 1: the world, and really strange with if you could guess
Speaker 1: in and perform in any one of them. I'm talking
Speaker 1: like spice, aliens, intergalactic or medieval lapping or.
Speaker 2: I want to do this is going to reveal me
Speaker 2: a little bit, but I love the porn parodies where
Speaker 2: they throw a bit of coin at it and it's
Speaker 2: actually substantive and it makes a lot of sense. I'd
Speaker 2: either want to do that where you get a proper
Speaker 2: script and like like your yeah, maybe yeah, or being
Speaker 2: the extra that does like the not in front of
Speaker 2: my salad kind of like you shot up for twenty minutes,
Speaker 2: you collect your paycheck, you go home and he.
Speaker 1: Walks in, or it's like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh your mom haws you with our steps up who knows? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like that that that is a great paycheck to get
Speaker 2: is twenty minutes of work and then on my way.
Speaker 3: That's so good. That's so good.
Speaker 1: I just want to close out with a bit of
Speaker 1: a like brainstorm such game.
Speaker 2: I thought one hundred percent thought you want to say,
Speaker 2: I'm going to close out with a dick joke is
Speaker 2: what I thought you.
Speaker 1: But we can be very close to it. I'm not
Speaker 1: going so obvious, but I want to know what you
Speaker 1: can say in both your jobs. What's something you can say?
Speaker 1: What are your performances that you can also say, you're nine.
Speaker 3: To five, let's make the world a better place.
Speaker 1: Ah, what a treat. Max was so good to see
Speaker 1: him again. And you know he's got two laughs, two jobs,
Speaker 1: two careers. Get both of them. He's working hard change
Speaker 1: the world. And that is a wrap on Season one
Speaker 1: of Concealed with Art Simone. Oh, it has been an
Speaker 1: absolute pleasure talking into your little earlobes. You've been listening
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Speaker 1: and to check out this hot and sexy performer. Oh
Speaker 1: and Max two check us out on the socials. Bye.