1 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: What are you something really weird or find out a 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: juicy little secret. Well, you've come to the right place. Hello, 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: it is me Art Simone. I have been scouring the 4 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: ends of the earth to find people who look painfully 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: ordinary and seem very regular, but at concealing something exciting, 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: scandalous or even a little bit naughty. But they're not 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: going to give up their secret that easily. No, I 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: have to do a bit of detective work to first 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: find out what it is. Trust me, it's worth all 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: of my hard work. This is concealed with me, Art Simone. 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: Time to meet our guess. Roll the tape. 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Max. I'm thirty six and I live in Melbourne. 13 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: My working career is in policy and research, and I 14 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: do a lot of consultancy, writing and advocacy on really 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: nerdy stuff that I'm very passionate about, which is very 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: different to the other work that I'm probably more well 17 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: known for. 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: Hello, Ah, well I know Max. Well, I know you Max, 19 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: So this hasn't happened before I have normally this is 20 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: a blind date, all right, But this is a wonderful 21 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: reveal for me because I know I recognize you. 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: Done, Yes, I recognize you. 23 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: I've known you for many a year or slash known 24 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: of you. I'm very appreciative of your work in the world. 25 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: Thank you. You know it's very aspirational. I don't want 26 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: to make you feel bad, but sometimes you make me 27 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: feel like I'm quite lazy, which is quite sad because 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: I'm just juggling a lot of Please. I know it's 29 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: a lot of work. It's a lot of work, and 30 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how you do it. I 31 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: actually know what you're concealing, and I have a pretty 32 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: good idea of what you're going to reveal. But I'm 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: not the only one who gets to play this game. 34 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: So I'm going to continue as usual and ask you 35 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: three questions and see if you listening right now. Yes, 36 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: you can figure it out far away. Do you collect anything? Yeah, yes, 37 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: I do dust. I collect really nerdy things. 38 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: I have an extensive like board game and Dungeons and Dragons. 39 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: You're part of the Dungeons Crew, Yeah, I am. Okay. 40 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: What is your character? 41 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: Oh god, I have a few, but my favorite one 42 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: by far is this fantastical druid so like nature magic 43 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: person called Kitten, and he's one hundred and twenty. 44 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 3: Years old and he's a big himbo and I love 45 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: him very himbo. A himbo is like a masculine bimbo. 46 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: So like that just so. 47 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: Many times over the years, and I was like, I 48 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: don't know what that is, and I just kept scrolling. 49 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, no thoughts, just that, oh himbo, I call them 50 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: prawn Yeah yeah, works, Okay, So himbao is the proem. 51 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: We're all learning things. Ye yeah, okay, that's beautiful. That's 52 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: really nice. Okay. And what is the last reality TV 53 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: show you binged? 54 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: Oh, there's a lot in my repertoire, but I recently 55 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: binged Blown Away. 56 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 3: It's a competition show, but it's super niche. 57 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: They are professional glass blowers, so they're artists making these 58 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: beautiful little sculptures and things. So if you give me 59 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: with the glory yeah, yeah, yeah, glory every time there's 60 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 2: a gloryhole joke. 61 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. After the first episide when they reveal that they 62 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: will call gloryholes, I just laughed. 63 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: And now in subsequent seasons it comes up with like 64 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: gloryhole and a definition, and it's like, didn't. 65 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: Realize in the first season they were like, why is 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: your road laughing? 67 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 3: What was going on? 68 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: But they're very serious about their art, and it's very 69 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: serious art, and it's not even like putting a spin 70 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: on it. They say something like, and I just shove 71 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: it in the gloryhole. 72 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: And it's like it's so good, so good. Okay. A 73 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: final question, do you have any tattoos? 74 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: Yes, which I would say people would be aware of 75 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: considering my work. 76 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: I've got two of. 77 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: My thighs and one on my abdomen. They're not too exciting. 78 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 2: One's just a portrait of this man's head that Potato 79 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: artist is kind of known for. They're like a little 80 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: bit surrealist and sevador dally like the head flips open 81 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: and the stuff coming out. 82 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: But it's pretty cool. I love it. 83 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: Has that been coming out of your head? 84 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: Yes, there's a hand coming out of it and a butterfly. 85 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 2: And then the other one that I really like is 86 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: this mythical again nerdy D and D stuff creature that 87 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: is like a stag with wings that is meant to 88 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 2: be like a bad fortune, bad omen but mine is 89 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: bright pink. So it's kind of like a little bit 90 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 2: more fun gay. Yeah, a lot more gay, a lot 91 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: more gay. 92 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: Okay. So to recap you, collecked board games and dungeon 93 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: and Biggs is things. Yes, beautiful, and your character is 94 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: a himbo and you like glory holes from blowing the bay. Yes, 95 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: and you have tattoos of a man's head and pink. 96 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 3: Gay things, pink gay things. 97 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And from that we need to guess what 98 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: you are concealing, what you do outside of your nine 99 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: to five I'm not going to guess because I already know, 100 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: so let's reveal it. 101 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: I am a porn performer. When I've had about fifteen releases, 102 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's they all become a blur. I 103 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: know that sounds dumb, but they do become a bit 104 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: of a blur. But I have been doing that and 105 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: other forms of sex work for about a decade. 106 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: Now here we are with porn sum mags. I feel 107 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: like I'm finally actually going to talk to you now. 108 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: Okay, we have to talk around the porn. 109 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: It's like when you see a mole you just want 110 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: to say, male, I just wanted to get when it 111 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: has come out of my man porn good say now 112 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: I feel so free, so free being censored, you know. Okay, 113 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: So we just have that Max has a nine to 114 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: five job which has something that I don't actually remember 115 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: the job of that. Yes, but Max is also a 116 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: porn star. Yes, a pond star is in my presence. Oh, 117 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: this is going to get interesting. Ah, So I'm here 118 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: world famous porn star Max is in my presence. But 119 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: I would like to clarify that's not how I know Max. 120 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: I know what maxes work, of course, but that's not 121 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: just how I know Max. We have many mutual friends. Okay, 122 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: that's that. That's bad to know Max for that. Wow, 123 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: I'm doing a whole. I can hear myself. I can 124 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: hear myself doing a hole right now. But also, who 125 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: gives a shit ified you from your work? It's a 126 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: bloody good stuff. 127 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: A lot of people that's like how they know me, 128 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 2: and I like, I think it's interesting. People always like 129 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 2: oh and they get a bit timid about it. But like, 130 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: I don't do porn for people not to watch it. 131 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: So right, it's very too. So it's it's okay that 132 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: you know me from my pawn. Everyone, it's okay. They 133 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: probably never heard you speak so much. No, no, absolutely not. 134 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: Probably have a very limited who are yes, yeah, more 135 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: if you run into something the look you have a 136 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: familiar face if you just go they got that sit 137 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: that's it. 138 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: That's where I know. 139 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: I yeah, I have had It's happened quite a few 140 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: times where like someone recognizes me and like I am 141 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: a bit coy. And I also like, if it's in 142 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: a group setting, I don't want to be like I've 143 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: done porn. 144 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 3: You've probably watched. 145 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: It, but instead I just a'm like, oh, oh, you know, 146 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: I like I get around. You may have seen me 147 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: here and there, and eventually the penny drops and you 148 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: can tell they they blush or they lose their words 149 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: mid sentence, which is kind of adorable when that happens. 150 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, me and pretty fun. 151 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 3: And look at that. 152 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: It's better than the alternative than like someone interrupting and 153 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: being like I've seen your porn and I'm like sitting 154 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: there having dinner with my parents or something like that. 155 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: Both sound fun, tod like they know they're super supportive, 156 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: Like I'm very fortunate as a porn star and as 157 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: a sex worker to have that support. Not everyone has that, 158 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: but I think you know, if you're having brunch, don't 159 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: run up to a porn start and be like you 160 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: do porn. I mean, I can already pull so many 161 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: comparisons change you and me, right, we're both very well 162 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: known for our work. It's just slightly different, ever, so 163 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: slightly different, I know, just a little bit. I have 164 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 2: to work with others. 165 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: You do too. 166 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, we both play well with others. 167 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: Yes. I also have to do solo works. You do too. 168 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, all the time. 169 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: The big difference probably is the amount of clothing that 170 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: we're wearing. Yes, yes, but also you have to do 171 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: things that I don't have to, like I don't know, 172 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: a bit more upkeep. 173 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: A little bit more upkeep. But it's both performance. I 174 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: get perform. Yeah, we're both performers. 175 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: Yes, it terminology in the porn world. 176 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: That is correct that you are. You're a performer. I 177 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: never say porn star myself. I'm happy when others do. 178 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: But if I think that's the Australian tall poppy thing 179 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: of having tickets on yourself, I would never be like 180 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: I'm a pool and star, yeah, whereas other people do 181 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: when they're comfortable with that. But I think just with 182 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: porn and sex work and stuff in general, it is 183 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: sometimes stepping into a role or a persona that you're 184 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: really well recognized for that is also different to how 185 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: you are in your personal life too, and striking a 186 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: balance between that is really important. But I think a 187 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 2: lot of performers outside of porn also need to strike 188 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: that balance as well. 189 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: So let's go all the way back. I've got a 190 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: lot of questions to you, but let's go back. How 191 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: did you get into the porn world. 192 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: Well, it was pretty organic and natural because. 193 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: I was. 194 00:09:54,480 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, you were baiting by light w making 195 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: stupid dad jokes all the time. Please do not be offended, 196 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: but they just come out. I can't hold them back. 197 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, I mean, look, everything's going to go back 198 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: to Gloriahole. But the I think for me, it was 199 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: like naturally. I did life modeling for years, so that's 200 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: like you know, modeling. I was an artist myself, so 201 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: I went to art school and I just got distracted 202 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 2: by the real world and then you know, the grind of. 203 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: Making money, stop doing stop it. And then when I 204 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: was a student, I started doing life modeling. It pays 205 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: really well. 206 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: I had photos and stuff of myself kind of go viral. 207 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: At what point in your life did you look in 208 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: the mirror and go, yeah, it's pretty good. 209 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's still a process, that's a work in progress. 210 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: But there is one photo that a friend of mine 211 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: took of me, maybe like five or six years ago now, 212 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: and it changed the perception that I saw of myself. 213 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: I'd done a lot of really cool work until then. 214 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: It's like a life modeling photo. I'm completely naked, I 215 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: look completely amazing. I was vegan at the time and 216 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: very hungry, so I'm really ripped and it's this amazing 217 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: black and white photo and I was like. 218 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm actually really hard. 219 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty hard. 220 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it changed my perception of myself because you know, 221 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: people compliment you all the time. You're beautiful, You're gorgeous, 222 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: things like that, and like, in reality, maybe it's because 223 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 2: I was like a really unpopular kid and I took 224 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: a while to grow into my looks. 225 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 3: But it's something that you have no control over. 226 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: So I'm always being a person that's I guess being 227 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: more concerned with like being clever or being kind or 228 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: being personal to people. So when people only compliment you 229 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: on your looks, it's like, ah, thanks. Like it's hard 230 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: to process, but that photo made me be like, oh fuck, yeah, 231 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: you could do this. 232 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: I do want to touch on body image for a second. Yeah, 233 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: because I feel like we have parallels that I know 234 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people that adjacent to the industry and 235 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: that look like the most beautiful adonuses you've ever seen 236 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: in your life, but they have like the biggest self 237 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: body image issues, like and it's so funny because it's 238 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: like the same thing for me as. 239 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: A drag queen. 240 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: That's why I like cover myself with so much stuff. 241 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: That's so I'm covered in glitter and dimontes and lashes 242 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: and anything to be discuring. Literally, I'm excuring what people 243 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: can see because like I'm just like, well, I'm not 244 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: sure about that what's underneath, but at least I can 245 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: make you see what I want to. So it's very 246 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: interesting to see the parallels. 247 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think coming from like life modeling and 248 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: stuff like that, I didn't have a very negative view 249 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: of my body ever, which is interesting that porn and 250 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 2: performing and stuff, you have to look a certain way, 251 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: you have to go to the gym a lot, you 252 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: have to be watching what you eat, which is the 253 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: bit I hate. I don't mind working out, I don't 254 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: mind all of that activity. I just I really hate 255 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: saying no to food. I love food, and it is 256 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: it's really good. Particularly I have a sweet tooth, so 257 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: I'm like, if there's cake on offer, my like my 258 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: pupils expand and I hone in on the cake, like 259 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: just need it, doesn't need it. But yeah, I think 260 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 2: for me, porn scrutinized my body image a little bit 261 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: and put me in a headspace that I wasn't used to. 262 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 2: I wasn't used to seeing myself so much and having 263 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: to look a certain way to be on film. So 264 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 2: even though porn gets a bad rap for like perpetuating 265 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: body image stuff, it is also still what people buy 266 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: and consume, and there are a lot of negative comments 267 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: when performers don't look a certain way. So I don't 268 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: know how do we change people's porn habits, but people 269 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 2: want hot bodies that look a certain way. 270 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: Unfortunately. 271 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, sometimes I can't watch back what I've 272 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: feel good of what I've done. Do you watch back 273 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: your work? 274 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: Not really, not the big studio stuff as well, because 275 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 2: it's it's weird. 276 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: You see what made the cush. 277 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 2: So I have watched it like this actually took six hours. Okay, 278 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: So that's one thing is that the shoots are so 279 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: much longer than maybe the twenty minutes for me. And 280 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: this is the other thing is the more people that 281 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: are on set scene. So as soon as you go 282 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: beyond too into the morsums, into the orgy kind of territory, 283 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 2: it takes a lot longer because there's a lot. 284 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 3: More moving parts. 285 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: Made me laugh, but there's a lot of moving parts 286 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: and not just you know, the sexy parts, the crew 287 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 2: plus the crew and everyone's trying to like the pressure 288 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 2: is on in those circumstances as well. You don't want 289 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: to be the one that doesn't deliver correct so you 290 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: don't even let the tea, don't be the last one. 291 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: The bigger the scene, the longer it takes. And it's 292 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: also like pretty exhausting. But it actually sound fun, to 293 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: be honest, I can't sound less fun than it. It 294 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: is super fun. 295 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: Like the fans content just seems so like just actually 296 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: just shoved the camera up where they had fun. But 297 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: the biggest studio stuff, it sounds like so much hard work. 298 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: It's like it's like a mini film set, I guess 299 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: in a way, and I'd be so cald. 300 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen some of those sets that you 301 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: talk about, and if you put a bitch at like 302 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: a bedside table that is not a set, thank you 303 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: very much. There's no set decided going in. 304 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: There and like lines of stilted, terrible violence. 305 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: Oh god, but no, it's like it can be a 306 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: little bit rose colored glasses. Like I remember it really nicely, 307 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: but then when I watched the scenes back, I'm like, oh, 308 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: that was like we've been filming for two hours and 309 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: I was over it this day, or like I had 310 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: like as an Australian, you often have jet lag on set, 311 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: so you're like, I just want to go to bed, 312 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: but we have to get this shot. So when you 313 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: watch it back, it's not it's not as sexy as 314 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: it is for other people that weren't there that are 315 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: just getting to appreciate it for face value? 316 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: Do they plan what happens is and they're like, right, 317 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: so you're going to go and do this with this 318 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: person and then you're going to finish first, but then 319 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: you're going to go over and do that. 320 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, So some bits can be all gad, I know, 321 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: where's the fun in the moment. Some bits are fun 322 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: and in the moment, like if someone's feeling a particular way, 323 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: they can complete their scene. But if completely scene, I'm 324 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: using that now I've completed my thank you en scene. 325 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 3: Thank you thank you. 326 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: Like brand of applause and a wet towel please. But yeah, 327 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: so some things can happen organically. But there is also 328 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: like times where like they need certain types of content. 329 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 3: I don't know how explicit I can be, but like we. 330 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: Need, yeah, we need we need three more minutes of hardcore, 331 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: which might be like close ups of right going in 332 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: certain places, yes, or we need a wide shot of 333 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: what you were just doing, so you kind of like 334 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: like a film, you reset and you do the exact 335 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: same position. 336 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 3: Like continuity. I try to because I have perfection. 337 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: I know. It's like because I've worked on seventy sets 338 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: and things and I'm a stickler for concontinuity, and I 339 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: think of it like sometimes they don't even care. No, 340 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: but when we last did this, I was here and 341 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: this was there, so we have to go back to that. 342 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: And it's really simple things like in real life, we 343 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: people may be verbal in certain ways. You probably say 344 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: a lot of the same things over and over again 345 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: or grown in a really similar way, whereas in porn, 346 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: if you do it too much, then it's really noticeable, 347 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: so like they're like, mix it up, don't say fuck 348 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: here anymore, don't say yes daddy, maybe exactly. 349 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: Have you ever had to deliver dialogue in a scene? 350 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 3: Please? 351 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: I have to know because I've seen bits, but I 352 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: just see the bits on. 353 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: That's the cringe bit for me, because often I think 354 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: you'd be really good at it. 355 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: I think it's about the partners that are actually like 356 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: not giving you something to work. 357 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 2: I need the energy and the energy. No, it can 358 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: just be really hard sometimes because they don't give you 359 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 2: keep one seing. 360 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 3: It's hard. Porn is hard. 361 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: It is hard. 362 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: It can be difficult synonym because they don't necessarily give 363 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 2: you a script, but they give you story beats, so 364 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: you kind of have to add a little bit. But 365 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: I've had some awkward things. I've had like people being 366 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: on holidays and they're like like very cliche, they're like 367 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: the pool boy. Or I've had like really complicated step 368 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: parent arrangements I've had right, I've had like accidental like 369 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: sneaking out on a partner to go hook up. 370 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: I love it already. 371 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: You film the little bee real stuff also completely out 372 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: of sequence. You might film that twenty minutes before everything 373 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: kicks off, or sometimes you film it at the end 374 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: after all of the bells and whistles have happened as well. 375 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: Like I just want to go to bed love. 376 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm tired the guy. 377 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you like, as queer people we 378 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: have to come out? 379 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 380 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: Most times I wish that wasn't the reality. Do you 381 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: feel like you've had had to have a second coming 382 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: out with your career? 383 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. 384 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: I think sex work generally, I've definitely had to come 385 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: out again in various different ways in various social settings. 386 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: With the advocacy that I've done around sex worker riots 387 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: and things like that, I've been really conscious of the 388 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: I guess the privilege I have being a man like 389 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 2: sis white man that I've been able to be a 390 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 2: face out worker. I've also very fortunate that my family 391 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: is super supportive. All of my friends know. Even in 392 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: my very boring work, a lot of my colleagues know. 393 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 2: Because it's not something that I try and hide. It's 394 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 2: something that informs my lived experience kind of allows me 395 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 2: to be a little bit more truthful, and it also 396 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: allows me to be truthful about things like boundaries and 397 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: stuff like that. Why something would make me uncomfortable, which 398 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 2: I think is really important too. 399 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: Do you find it's hard for people to separate you 400 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: from your job because I struggle all the time. Yeah, 401 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: that's like an issue that I have consistently where people 402 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: just think that either I am that's the most crazy, 403 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: beautiful studying drag queen all the time all the time, 404 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: or they're only interested in that side of me. 405 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that is very similar. 406 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: I think people they like a few things happen is 407 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 2: like they're having, particularly with a porn performance, They're having 408 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: an intimate experience with you that I created. 409 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 3: Yes, but I'm not part. 410 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: I'm not actively part of that intimate moment that they're 411 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 2: making for themselves or with you know, loved ones, because 412 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 2: you know they might spice it up family. They form 413 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: a bond with you that you don't necessarily have back. 414 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: It's also a weird fan space because you know, there's 415 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: a lot of stigma around sex work and stuff like that. 416 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: So I was already a pretty shy person even though 417 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 2: I'm an exhibitionist. 418 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense like I'm a porn performer. 419 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: And I love being naked and I love being sexy, 420 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: and I love making people feel sexy. 421 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 3: On your terms correct. 422 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: And I think that's where people forget, is that they 423 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 2: think that they can interact with me like I'm this 424 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: porn object, this sex doll, and I'm not. I'm a person, 425 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: And I think boundaries are really important. And I also 426 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: think like it's also maybe raising the awareness to like 427 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: sometimes you're burnout and you don't have time to re 428 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 2: educate someone, but in the times that you. 429 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 3: Do, it can be really important to do that. 430 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: Like like one thing that I'm sure you've probably experienced 431 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 2: as well as people have an entitlement to your body 432 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: that doesn't reflect normal social norms. 433 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot of parallel. So I'm going to keep 434 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: bringing it back. Drag and porn, dragon porn. Oh, there 435 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: we go, dragon pod, dungeons and dragons porn. 436 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 3: Ah. 437 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: I feel like I can play the dragon. I put 438 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 1: the drag and dragon. But how are you juggling your 439 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: nine to five really interesting job that I can't remember 440 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: with your other work At the moment. 441 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: In Australia, our industry is a lot smaller. The studios 442 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 2: aren't really based here, so at the moment I haven't 443 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: really been filming big studio porn because Australia's borders were 444 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: shut for a large chunk of the last couple of years, 445 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 2: and even with OnlyFans. Lately, I've not been posting as 446 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 2: much because really the pandemic affected me like it has 447 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: affected a lot of people. I've experienced a lot of 448 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: burnout and then it was very weird space to still 449 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: be making content and making porn and trying to feel 450 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: sexy when you can't leave the house wasn't really a 451 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: vibe and it really did burn me out. And also 452 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 2: as well, like I was studying full time and doing 453 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 2: my masters across the pandemic as well, so I just 454 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: had all of these other things happening that weren't porn related, 455 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: and it also felt like porn was taken off the 456 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 2: table a little bit because I couldn't travel anymore, which 457 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: was a total boma. But I'm keen to as things 458 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 2: are changing and I find a new balance with my 459 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 2: very boring guys, it's. 460 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: Really exciting job that I can't get your career, Okay, 461 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to give you. Don't I give you 462 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: feel bad that at all. 463 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 2: Sorry, it's just lots of big words. So but yeah, 464 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: I think with as I find this new balance, I 465 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 2: should be able to do it again. And also what 466 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: I've really struggled with at the time is that I'd 467 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: produce things and put money and effort into things, and 468 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: you put it on your only fans, and then you 469 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 2: know a week later it's been like screen captured from 470 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: your only fans, and then it's on a free porn site. 471 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 2: And that was really damaging in the lockdown because I 472 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 2: was like, I this is I have no other income 473 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: and someone's stealing from me. It's fine if it's one 474 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 2: of the big studios, because like I've been paid and 475 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: I've got you're not getting any more money past that point. 476 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: But when it's your own content being taken, I'm a 477 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: small business. How do care you? Just from business? This 478 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 1: is my lemonade stands. 479 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: It looks a little bit different to everyone else's, but 480 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: this is my little lemonade. 481 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: It's just squeezing things. There's some really strange scenes in 482 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: the world, and really strange with if you could guess 483 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: in and perform in any one of them. I'm talking 484 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: like spice, aliens, intergalactic or medieval lapping or. 485 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: I want to do this is going to reveal me 486 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: a little bit, but I love the porn parodies where 487 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 2: they throw a bit of coin at it and it's 488 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: actually substantive and it makes a lot of sense. I'd 489 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: either want to do that where you get a proper 490 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 2: script and like like your yeah, maybe yeah, or being 491 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: the extra that does like the not in front of 492 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: my salad kind of like you shot up for twenty minutes, 493 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: you collect your paycheck, you go home and he. 494 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: Walks in, or it's like yeah, yeah. 495 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 3: Oh your mom haws you with our steps up who knows? Yeah? 496 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: Like that that that is a great paycheck to get 497 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 2: is twenty minutes of work and then on my way. 498 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 3: That's so good. That's so good. 499 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: I just want to close out with a bit of 500 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: a like brainstorm such game. 501 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: I thought one hundred percent thought you want to say, 502 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: I'm going to close out with a dick joke is 503 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: what I thought you. 504 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: But we can be very close to it. I'm not 505 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: going so obvious, but I want to know what you 506 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: can say in both your jobs. What's something you can say? 507 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: What are your performances that you can also say, you're nine. 508 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 3: To five, let's make the world a better place. 509 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: Ah, what a treat. Max was so good to see 510 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: him again. And you know he's got two laughs, two jobs, 511 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: two careers. Get both of them. He's working hard change 512 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: the world. And that is a wrap on Season one 513 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: of Concealed with Art Simone. Oh, it has been an 514 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: absolute pleasure talking into your little earlobes. You've been listening 515 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: to an iHeart Australia and Kiss Production. Listen for free 516 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: on the iHeart app and listen to your arts content 517 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: and to check out this hot and sexy performer. Oh 518 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: and Max two check us out on the socials. Bye.