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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation at.

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Speaker 2: The Jonesy demand of arms. We have the pud test today,

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Speaker 2: celebrities going on sas for redemption. Does this pass the

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Speaker 2: pub test?

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Speaker 3: It seems that the characters on the show, the celebrities,

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Speaker 3: are being cast more and more for their controversial ways,

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Speaker 3: and controversy often means that people have been hurt by

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Speaker 3: their actions. I think the trope of the show is that, oh,

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Speaker 3: we know nothing, so you have to tell us your story.

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Speaker 3: So both sides of the story don't always get told.

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Speaker 3: And I know that Phoebe Burgess, who has made to

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Speaker 3: Sam who won last time, said it was a careful edit,

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Speaker 3: a carefully curated comeback show that she wasn't happy about

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Speaker 3: because Sam looked like a hero and in her eyes,

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Speaker 3: he wasn't. But she's his ex wife, so she's never

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Speaker 3: going to think he's the big hero. She's lived through

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Speaker 3: some horror times with him. What about Craig McLachlin, What

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Speaker 3: about Cocaine, Cassie, what about Anthony Mundine? Lots of people

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Speaker 3: who stir the mind.

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Speaker 2: Undine hasn't really done anything bad.

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Speaker 3: He did say that aboriginal culture and homosexuality were incompatible.

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Speaker 3: He's had some controversial opinions, saying that September eleven was

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Speaker 3: work of America themselves. He has said things that have

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Speaker 3: been controversial.

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Speaker 2: But all in all they're not axe murderers.

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Speaker 3: Which seems to be your line in the sund.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not a light in the sand. But everyone

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Speaker 2: has a shot at redemption, surely.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, having a shot at redemption is one thing.

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Speaker 3: But Christy will and Brown, who was one of the

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Speaker 3: people who had the complaints against Craig McLaughlin, said that

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Speaker 3: she's very upset. She said, effing sick of this shit

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Speaker 3: is the way excuse me, the way she said it,

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Speaker 3: I beat one word or not the other. She said,

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Speaker 3: how do we feel about someone neighbor who woulds how

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Speaker 3: do we feel about someone who was charged on multiple

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Speaker 3: sexual assault charges put back on TV being referred to

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Speaker 3: simply as a controversial figure.

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Speaker 2: And as the judge said, it was only through the

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Speaker 2: grace of various laws that Craig actually didn't end up

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Speaker 2: getting charged, didn't get up.

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Speaker 4: What's it called?

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Speaker 3: He wasn't convicted convicted that we put this to a

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Speaker 3: Middleton the host of sas this morning.

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Speaker 4: It's one of those where we will find out who

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Speaker 4: they are at the end of the day, you can't

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Speaker 4: pull the wool over our eyes and again redemption, you know,

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Speaker 4: especially you with some individuals that were on this course.

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Speaker 4: You know, we do identify their true colors. They look

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Speaker 4: at themselves in the mirror once we strip them down,

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Speaker 4: they go, do you know what are messed up?

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Speaker 1: There?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: Is that what happens? Celebrity is going on essays for redemption?

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Speaker 3: Does it pass the pub test?

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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't pass the pub test. I feel sorry for.

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Speaker 5: The victims and for the perpetrators. Would they do it

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Speaker 5: if they're with no money involved?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it does.

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Speaker 1: I think they're on there and they're airing their dirty

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Speaker 1: laundry for everybody to hear it. Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: I just think that, like Ammanda says, there are sides

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Speaker 1: their every story. But yeah, everybody gets should get a

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Speaker 1: second chance.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely not. I'm sick of these people getting a chance

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Speaker 5: to be nice and congenial in the public eye when

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Speaker 5: we all know that, especially in the case of someone

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Speaker 5: like craignant Laughlin. To even think that that man is

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Speaker 5: on television, well, we'll.

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Speaker 2: See, we'll see and dye.

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Speaker 3: The show starts on Monday, will you be watching them

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Speaker 3: roofs in the pudding.