WEBVTT - Ask Uncut - Can I Date My Late Husband's Friend?

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was recorded on Cameragle Land. Hi guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to another episode of Life. I'm Cad, I'm Laura,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Brittany, And if you're listening to this on Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a very good chance that I am in

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<v Speaker 1>the South African jungle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>Very exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have it or is it exciting?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's exciting for Matt because it means he made

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<v Speaker 4>it to the end. Not so exciting for you because

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<v Speaker 4>it means you've got a very big trip with two

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<v Speaker 4>very small children.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just petrified of the long haul flight that has

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<v Speaker 1>two layovers with two children through the night.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is going to be hell.

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<v Speaker 3>On Earth one percent.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to like rub that in, but you're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna hate your life for the next couple of days.

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<v Speaker 4>But the way this works is so we are recording

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<v Speaker 4>this a few days early because your life gets put

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<v Speaker 4>on hold. You're on standby for a flight because obviously

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<v Speaker 4>people don't know who's going to be the last three

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<v Speaker 4>in the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and also, like I mean, it's tricky for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, it's quite early that we're recording this because we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know when Matt's gonna get out, So like if

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<v Speaker 1>I do fly over there, I might be in the

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<v Speaker 1>air and he could get out on TV, do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>How annoyed would you be if you got there and

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<v Speaker 4>you found out he'd already been eliminated.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck did they just send you straight back? So what

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<v Speaker 2>does you get halfway? I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you get there, you still come home

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<v Speaker 1>on your normal return flight, Like the return flight is booked,

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<v Speaker 1>but it depends on how many days I get to

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<v Speaker 1>get with him, because if he makes it through the final,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get any days with him. It's the final

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<v Speaker 1>and then we fly home the next day, so we

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<v Speaker 1>actually have no time in Africa together to actually enjoy Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>No African activities had to look forward.

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<v Speaker 1>So technically, if he gets out early, then I would

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<v Speaker 1>have had some more time with it.

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<v Speaker 2>You could go bunge jumping.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Keisha's been bungee jumping in South Africa everyone, in

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<v Speaker 1>case you haven't heard, this is true.

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<v Speaker 2>But also you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, by the time this comes out, you will

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<v Speaker 1>know the outcome because it would have been last night.

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<v Speaker 2>But we are in the past. It's so hard to.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what's happening. And I'm in fucking purgatory for I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a celebrity right.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I'm manifesting. I feel like he's going to be

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred percent finale. If not, he's gone for the win.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I think. That's a lot of pressure, I

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<v Speaker 4>think for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think Reggie's pretty high up there. Like so

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<v Speaker 1>Reggie Bird, for anyone doesn't know who she is, she's

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<v Speaker 1>one big brother twice and she is very very like personable, relatable,

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<v Speaker 1>but also just has like a really beautiful, incredible story

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<v Speaker 1>around the hardship that she's faced with herself and also

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<v Speaker 1>with her son.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Think that like she's getting the public vote, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt's just getting the force, like vote for my husband,

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<v Speaker 1>vote I want to go to South Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>Vote.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, But he has been very entertaining, and I know

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<v Speaker 5>that obviously we're a bit biased, because obviously last year, Britt,

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<v Speaker 5>we were biased for you.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm also having sex with them, so I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 2>biased and for a while I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not having.

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<v Speaker 2>Sex with him, thank god, thank god. That would be

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<v Speaker 2>a real issue.

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<v Speaker 5>Wouldn't that be a scandalous episode if that came out

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<v Speaker 5>on an ask gun cut.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's put on a bet song, because, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it is in the future, who do we think will

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<v Speaker 1>make it top three? I think it'll be Reggie Fingers Cross,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt and Max.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, Sam the rugby player.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Max is taking Sam spot. Maybe if you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to, like, I don't know why I'm laughing, you're

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<v Speaker 4>just gonna like want to ref each up his clothes

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<v Speaker 4>off and have sex or do you think you're like,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so fucking tired, and he's like I'm so hungry

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<v Speaker 4>and scrawny, and it's just not going to be any

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<v Speaker 4>love making.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it's going to be like because

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<v Speaker 1>there has never been a time in our relationship, like

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we did long distance after The Bachelor for got

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<v Speaker 1>like months, like five months or something crazy, but we

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<v Speaker 1>could speak to each other every day, and we could

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<v Speaker 1>FaceTime each other every day. I feel particularly disconnected from

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<v Speaker 1>him at the moment because that's hard. Yeah, Like I've

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<v Speaker 1>not had a single conversation with him for almost five weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>which is as much as I've seen him on TV,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and like it's great seeing you on TV,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm very, very proud of him, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel I feel like I need to have a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with the man and be like, hello, I'm your wife.

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<v Speaker 2>He also did staice to see you again. Here's a mango.

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<v Speaker 2>He also said that he'd rather eat a mango than

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<v Speaker 2>I have sex with you.

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<v Speaker 3>So but now he can have both. He doesn't have

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<v Speaker 3>to make the choices. You can do him simultaneously, or

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<v Speaker 3>he could have sex with a mango.

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<v Speaker 2>Or he can fuck a mango when he gets out,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's gonna be fucking wild. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>honestly don't know how.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it'd be very emotional for him seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>girls as well, and that's the big reason why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>taking them over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even though it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a hellish flight, and it's a very quick so

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<v Speaker 1>I think by the time we get there, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we're only there for a couple of days, maybe three

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<v Speaker 1>nights in total, and then we fly back home, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very quick round trip. But I'm doing it

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<v Speaker 1>because I know that how much it'll mean to him

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<v Speaker 1>to have the girls there, even though that that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be hell for me. And I also think I

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<v Speaker 1>have like runs on the board now for like plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of girls trips, like I am owed.

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<v Speaker 3>Your bank is overflowing with your like payback bank.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hamilton Island, anyone we're coming? Yeah, how I I'm going.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I book Day's golf bagging Noosa. I hear it's

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<v Speaker 2>fabulous this time of year. I'll be there. Don't you worry.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, you would go into tsunami right now. You would

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<v Speaker 3>be like, get me, you see me every weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd be like, is Laura away again? I'd be like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>with my girlfriends, it's been great.

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<v Speaker 5>If we are the girlfriends that you're speaking about, I

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<v Speaker 5>am absolutely keen to come.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So look, guys, like I said, I mean, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>you know everyone knows what the final has happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish we could talk about it for this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but we won't know until like late this week on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 4>You remember, and like, this is how much Matt is

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<v Speaker 4>going to be excited to see you.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember when I came out of the jungle, all I.

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<v Speaker 4>Wanted to do, like the intensity to see Ben, like

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<v Speaker 4>the overwhelming feeling was so much that I booked a

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<v Speaker 4>flight there and I was going to see him for

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<v Speaker 4>one day. I was flying from South Africa to Scotland

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<v Speaker 4>to surprise him for just over twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Was costing me a bomb.

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<v Speaker 4>But then I was going to fly back to Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>I was on the runway. I'd organize the surprise. I'd

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<v Speaker 4>organize the next door neighbors to leave keys out like

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<v Speaker 4>I was going bit creepy, but I was going to

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<v Speaker 4>be in his house when he got home he was.

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<v Speaker 4>It would have been the best surprise I have ever

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<v Speaker 4>pulled off. And that was probably one of the only

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<v Speaker 4>flights in my life that's ever been canceled. I was

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<v Speaker 4>on the runway to go and they canceled it because

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<v Speaker 4>of weather, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I was hysterical.

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<v Speaker 4>You would have thought I family member had passed away,

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<v Speaker 4>like because I was just so upset at how close

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<v Speaker 4>it was, and then it got taken away from me.

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<v Speaker 4>Because the feeling is just so intensified. Like you said,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm always away from Ben. You're away from your family,

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<v Speaker 4>but you're not even speaking, so it's intensified.

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<v Speaker 1>Trust me, If I'm stuck in Singapore sitting on a

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<v Speaker 1>plane and the flight gets cancered with two kids, I

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<v Speaker 1>also will be hysterical.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd be happy. I will feel the same.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I will if I am stuck with a cancer

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<v Speaker 1>layover with two kids in an airport, will be devastated.

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<v Speaker 5>Have you ever given them for energen? No, that that

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<v Speaker 5>can be a bit of a dice roll. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>want to tempt that no drug. I'm also not like,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not a melotonin mum. I've never done melotonin.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it works for a lot of people, and

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of people are cool with giving melotonin

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<v Speaker 1>to their kids and like absolutely no judgment on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just kind of feel weird about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And my kids are relatively good, soly like they go

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep pretty that's a lie. I was like, do

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<v Speaker 1>I call bullshit on leads? Are fucking terrible, But I

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<v Speaker 1>still don't want to give the melotonin. I feel bad

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<v Speaker 1>about it. So actually the worst sleeper, Laura tried to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep on my face last night, so yeah, I really cat.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like it's really warm here, so she like lays

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<v Speaker 1>horizontal across my face. Anyway, that's it. So that's my

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<v Speaker 1>update for me, guys. I will once I know more,

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<v Speaker 1>you will be the first to know.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's always I'll already know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like once you know more about like how

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<v Speaker 1>it's been on our side, you know, you'll see what

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<v Speaker 1>plays out on TV.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I'll tell you. I'll update you on

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<v Speaker 2>the Mango and.

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna get mad On and we'll chat all about it.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll catch up with him and see how it went.

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<v Speaker 4>Compare notes.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get a Mango to sponsorship and.

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<v Speaker 3>Roost Juice come for us, Mango Smooth.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode is brought to you by this Juice, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's not I wish it was, but here

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<v Speaker 1>we are.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get into our vibes.

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<v Speaker 1>No n subscribed. Before we answer your questions, what's your

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<v Speaker 1>vibe of the week.

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<v Speaker 4>My vibe is a Netflix show. It's number one or

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<v Speaker 4>two at the moment, so it's not shocking. Apple Cider

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<v Speaker 4>Vinegar Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I started this and I got like five minutes in

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I hey, this.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really hard.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm vibing it because I really loved the issues that

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<v Speaker 4>it highlighted.

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<v Speaker 3>More so so if you don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Apple Cider Vinegar is the Netflix show that is based

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<v Speaker 4>on the story of Belle Gibson, who pretended she had

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<v Speaker 4>cancer scammed a lot of people like, really horrible. She's

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<v Speaker 4>the Aussie. I mean, most people know who she is,

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<v Speaker 4>but if you don't. They've turned it into a Netflix

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<v Speaker 4>series and they really lead into the fact that it's

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<v Speaker 4>fiction and nonfiction. It's based on a true story, but

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<v Speaker 4>we're also trying to make a.

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<v Speaker 2>Drama where Baby Reindeer. Oh no, they did.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a theme.

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<v Speaker 4>Every single episode is a bit of a joke on it.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the characters is in character and they look

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<v Speaker 4>at the camera and they were like, just to reiterate

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<v Speaker 4>whilst that we are making this drama, we want to

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<v Speaker 4>be clear that Belle Gibson did not make a cent

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<v Speaker 4>from this, And they really lead into the fact from

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<v Speaker 4>off the back of Baby Reindeer. But I like the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that it highlighted the dangers surrounding with holding from

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<v Speaker 4>traditional medicine and only using like juice, cleanses and a

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<v Speaker 4>highlights that they go to Mexico and they do all

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<v Speaker 4>these meditation and whatever else to try and treat their cancer. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm all for holistic approaches combined with traditional medicine, like

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<v Speaker 4>I think that they can go hand in hand, but

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<v Speaker 4>it highlighted the problems with foregoing medicine.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the name of her app that she had,

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<v Speaker 1>Bell Gibson, the whole pantry, the whole pantry.

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<v Speaker 3>So they talk all about.

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<v Speaker 4>It, they talk all about the app, they talk about

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<v Speaker 4>her whole story. It's really fascinating, and I guess I

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<v Speaker 4>want to say I learned a lot about her story,

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<v Speaker 4>but I also don't know how much was a bit

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<v Speaker 4>of added flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>I find it that this is an interesting vibe, you,

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<v Speaker 1>brit because I have, like you said, Kish, I have

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<v Speaker 1>heard very mixed reviews because I was really excited to

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<v Speaker 1>watch it, and when I first saw that it was

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<v Speaker 1>coming out. I find the Bell Gibson case devastatingly interesting. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I really find it fascinating, but I also just like

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<v Speaker 1>cannot comprehend the hurt and the extortion that that was

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<v Speaker 1>to so many families who were already suffering with kids. Yeah, however, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it hasn't had great reviews, and I wonder if it's

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<v Speaker 1>because of the way in which it's been created or

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<v Speaker 1>people expecting it to be more of a documentary style.

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<v Speaker 3>It's had mixed reviews.

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<v Speaker 4>I think at the same time as I'm recommending it

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<v Speaker 4>that I enjoyed some of the themes in it. It

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<v Speaker 4>was also quite annoying at times, Like I was frustrated

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<v Speaker 4>and I was annoyed, so I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 3>I know there's a lot of people saying I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how they can go hand in hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you like, like this is a recommendation, but you

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<v Speaker 2>might hate it. No, but you know why, I'm okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I was annoyed by the themes because you could see

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<v Speaker 4>what was happening. You could see that there were people

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<v Speaker 4>withholding using medicine, and it was frustrating because I was like.

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<v Speaker 3>I know what's going to happen, Like why are you

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<v Speaker 3>doing this? Listen to the doctors I was. I found

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<v Speaker 3>myself frustrated and angry.

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<v Speaker 4>But I thought it was almost like I owed it

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<v Speaker 4>to the families that got.

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<v Speaker 3>Scammed that I wanted to watch it through.

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<v Speaker 4>I had like this weird attachment to it where I thought,

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<v Speaker 4>this is real people's lives, like I do want to

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<v Speaker 4>see this out and I do want to see what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the acting was brilliant.

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<v Speaker 4>There's an Australian actress in it, Alicia Debenham Kerry, who

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<v Speaker 4>was Brillian. The lead girl is actually American. The girl

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<v Speaker 4>that plays Bell is American, and her Australian accent was

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<v Speaker 4>really really good.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I take my hat off to it.

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<v Speaker 4>Very divisive, It's not some people are frothing it and

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<v Speaker 4>some people are hating it. I'm sitting somewhere in the middle,

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<v Speaker 4>but enough that I was like, you know what, what

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't tell.

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<v Speaker 3>Me what you think?

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<v Speaker 5>That was similar with Baby Reindeer though, and I remember

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<v Speaker 5>even people in our own Facebook group were like, Keisha,

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<v Speaker 5>I think you're just a bit too basic for this

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<v Speaker 5>because you're not supposed to enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're supposed to feel uncomfortable by the content. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, no, that's not why I want to do here.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a bit more basic than I loved it.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyway, My vibe for this week is it's a podcast

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<v Speaker 5>episode of mid which is done by hollywayen Wright at

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<v Speaker 5>Mamma Mia, and it is the episode with Amanda Kella

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<v Speaker 5>and her best friend Anita McGregor.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Amanda Kella is.

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<v Speaker 5>Someone that for a really really long time I have idolized.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she is absolutely.

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<v Speaker 5>Fantastic, particularly when I was in radio, when I was

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<v Speaker 5>like a radio host, I looked at Amanda as someone

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<v Speaker 5>that I just so wanted to be like, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that she has this beautiful vulnerability in the

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<v Speaker 5>way that she talks on radio and the way that

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<v Speaker 5>she connects with people, and I just find her so

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<v Speaker 5>incredibly likable and intelligent. And her best friend, Anita McGregor,

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<v Speaker 5>is a forensic psychologist. So they actually have a podcast themselves,

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<v Speaker 5>and I have listened to that in the past. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know why I haven't listened to it for a

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<v Speaker 5>little while. Actually I should get back into that. But

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<v Speaker 5>this particular episode that they did with Holly on mid

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<v Speaker 5>was about their best friendship, and it was about women's

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<v Speaker 5>friendships in general. And there was this little part that

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<v Speaker 5>Holly did at the start that actually brought me to

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<v Speaker 5>tears because she was talking about how she had this

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<v Speaker 5>best friend and they've been best friends for decades and

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<v Speaker 5>it was just such a special friendship that she's carried

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<v Speaker 5>with her throughout her entire adult life, and how they

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<v Speaker 5>have just been these pillars for each other and anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>she kind of went into this conversation and asking Amanda

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<v Speaker 5>and Anita, who have been best friends for seventeen years,

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<v Speaker 5>how they have helped each other navigate different life stages,

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<v Speaker 5>different you know, parts of their friendship, whether they give

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<v Speaker 5>each other feedback that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Honest or if they're just supportive.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was just one of those episodes that I

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<v Speaker 5>listened to and I was like, oh, fuck, female friendship

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<v Speaker 5>is just actually so important, you know, like.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't get that message from THEE on Top podcast.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course they do, but I think it's different when

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<v Speaker 5>it comes from people who are a little bit older

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<v Speaker 5>than me. I had a similar response when I listened

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<v Speaker 5>to Jane Fonder on Julia Louis Dreyfus's podcast quite a

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<v Speaker 5>while ago. I vibed that a long time ago because

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<v Speaker 5>they were just talking about female friendship and it was

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<v Speaker 5>it was a beautiful reminder for me of really nurturing

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<v Speaker 5>the friendships in my life because I will need them

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<v Speaker 5>over the course of my lifetime. So yeah, Mid with

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<v Speaker 5>Amanda Keller and Anita McGregor, it's the most recent episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my recommendation is for anybody who is potentially a

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<v Speaker 1>content creator or finds themselves needing to be hands free

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<v Speaker 1>and facing their phone, Britt you have on your phone

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<v Speaker 1>like a suction case. So like Brut's had this thing

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<v Speaker 1>on for a while og. It's like a full suction

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<v Speaker 1>case that you can like stick your phone onto anything.

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<v Speaker 2>You could. I mean, I don't recommend it, but you

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<v Speaker 2>could stick your phone onto your laptop screen. I do that.

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<v Speaker 1>You can stick it onto your window, you can stick

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<v Speaker 1>it onto anything, right Like it genuinely sticks to a wall.

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<v Speaker 2>So I tried the one.

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<v Speaker 1>That you have bre It, but I kind of hated

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<v Speaker 1>that I couldn't ever take it off the case because

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<v Speaker 1>it's very bulky and it's quite difficult to get your

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<v Speaker 1>phone in and out of your pocket.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So there is one that I have found which comes

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<v Speaker 1>with either a magnet or it goes directly onto the

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<v Speaker 1>back of your phone, and it is from Casemate. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's basically like an attachment that you can put onto

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<v Speaker 1>your phone which allows you to stick your phone anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>and do things hand free. So for us who are

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<v Speaker 1>constantly like doing stories or we're on our phones a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>I find it incredibly handy.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you guys are gonna be like, what the

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<v Speaker 2>hell is she talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're watching it on YouTube, you'll know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about because I'm holding it up in

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<v Speaker 1>the air.

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<v Speaker 2>They're so good the very handy.

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<v Speaker 4>I stick mine everywhere because I'm always talking to Ben.

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<v Speaker 4>So like when I'm cooking, just stick it on the

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<v Speaker 4>kitchen wall and I just will move around the kitchen

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<v Speaker 4>as i'm you know what I mean, Like it just

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<v Speaker 4>goes in going into the shower, having some sexy time,

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<v Speaker 4>goes on the window.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I stick mine on the pelt.

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<v Speaker 1>Like anytime I'm on the peloton, I stick it on

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<v Speaker 1>the screen of my peloton, and then I can do

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<v Speaker 1>do stuff whilst I'm working out.

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<v Speaker 2>I use it when I'm doing makeup.

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<v Speaker 5>If I'm watching a makeup tutorial and I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 5>imitate it, I put it on the mirror next to

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<v Speaker 5>my face so I.

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<v Speaker 1>Can do makeup tutorials and actually copy them like as

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<v Speaker 1>you're watching them.

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<v Speaker 2>I try to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know anyone who does that.

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<v Speaker 5>That's wow, really yeah, That's the only way that I'm

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<v Speaker 5>able to like do my I've had a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>weddings and we've had a lot of awards things.

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<v Speaker 2>Lately, and I don't pay to get my makeup.

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<v Speaker 1>So you do it in like real time, like you'll

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<v Speaker 1>watch it as they step by step you through and

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<v Speaker 1>then you stop, start, stop, start.

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<v Speaker 5>I pause and then I try and copy it, and

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<v Speaker 5>then I hit play, and then I try and copy.

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<v Speaker 2>The next bit.

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<v Speaker 3>I've done the same makeup every day of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I never change it, so I am the most repetitive,

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<v Speaker 1>basic bitch that there is. I don't ever try something new.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not about trying new things. Well, I'm about safety.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe you could now that you've got your sticky case mate,

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<v Speaker 5>that's true anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>Or a makeup.

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<v Speaker 3>Tutorial is not on twenty twenty five bing go list.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but maybe watching one. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm creative, but not with makeup. I know what works

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<v Speaker 1>me unless it is more because I look like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't do me well.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, let's get into the questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Question number one.

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<v Speaker 4>My husband passed away in an accident nearly three years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>He was twenty nine, and we've been together since we

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<v Speaker 4>were sixteen.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really sair.

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<v Speaker 4>After years of heartache, which will live with me forever,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm finally feeling open to the idea of dating again.

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<v Speaker 4>I've recently reconnected with an old friend who was also

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<v Speaker 4>a friend of my husband's.

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<v Speaker 3>He has the most.

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<v Speaker 4>Grounded, secure, kind energy, and I have found myself having

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<v Speaker 4>feelings for him. I have no idea where he stands

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<v Speaker 4>on this situation and whether or not he sees me

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<v Speaker 4>is just a friend or has feelings too. I want

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<v Speaker 4>to ask him slash tell him how I'm feeling, but

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if I want to risk getting it

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<v Speaker 4>wrong and potentially uplifting our friendship.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, I guess there's a kind of two

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<v Speaker 1>questions in this. It seems like the main one is

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<v Speaker 1>like the fear of getting it wrong. The reality is

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<v Speaker 1>is you could get it wrong no matter who it

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<v Speaker 1>is that you have feelings for. You could put yourself

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<v Speaker 1>out there and you could be rejected. Like that's a

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<v Speaker 1>very real thing when it comes to dating. Obviously, there's

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<v Speaker 1>an added layer to it in terms of he is

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<v Speaker 1>someone who was friends of your husband's. But also I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of think that if he is this like kind, grounded,

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<v Speaker 1>like understanding person that you've described him as, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think he's going to come to you with judgment if

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<v Speaker 1>you say that you have feelings for him, and you

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<v Speaker 1>explain it in an honest way, like it's been three years,

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<v Speaker 1>you clearly loved your husband so much. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>you moving on at rapid pace with his best friend.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a very like considered and conscious thing with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time in between. And I certainly don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that you should feel bad or feel guilty. If

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<v Speaker 1>you do feel bad or feel guilty for having these feelings,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it's really understandable, and it's actually probably

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<v Speaker 1>more common than what you might realize, that people have

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<v Speaker 1>feelings for someone who's already within their network because they

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<v Speaker 1>become a huge comfort to them through grief.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my heart really really hurts for you, like thinking

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<v Speaker 4>that you're only twenty nine, you were together since you're sixteen,

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<v Speaker 4>and you lost the love of your life. It's a

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<v Speaker 4>huge thing to experience at a really young age. Horrible,

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<v Speaker 4>And I want to start by saying like, I cannot imagine,

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<v Speaker 4>so take my advice with a grain of salt.

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<v Speaker 3>But I feel like I want to say, you probably.

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<v Speaker 4>Know better than ever that life is short, Like you

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<v Speaker 4>don't need people to tell you that you have lived it.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you have these feelings, I think I say

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<v Speaker 4>tell him. I think I say talk to him about

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<v Speaker 4>it and just see there is a chance that maybe

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<v Speaker 4>it is being confused with a connection that you know

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<v Speaker 4>you both share with your husband and that's why you're close,

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<v Speaker 4>or it's a chance that it is super real and

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<v Speaker 4>he feels it too. It's so normal to have these

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<v Speaker 4>feelings for people that you spend a lot of time with. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think your guilty is only coming from the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that he ran in the same circle. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>that you're moving on. It sounds like it's just that

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<v Speaker 4>he also knew who your husband was.

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<v Speaker 2>But you one.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundred percent deserve to be happy. And I do agree

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<v Speaker 3>with you, Laura.

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<v Speaker 4>Whilst we don't know him, he sounds like a wonderful

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<v Speaker 4>friend and a wonderful human that I think if you

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<v Speaker 4>said that I think I have feelings for you, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think that's going to make him never want to

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<v Speaker 4>speak to you again.

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<v Speaker 3>If you did get it wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I mean look, I mean reading your question again,

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<v Speaker 1>there isn't anything in here that says that you feel

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<v Speaker 1>guilty for having feelings. That doesn't say anything that you

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<v Speaker 1>feel as though like maybe you should be concerned about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you had now had feelings for a

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<v Speaker 1>man that was once friends or his friends with your

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<v Speaker 1>husband who passed away. But what you've asked is I

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<v Speaker 1>want to ask him or tell him about how I'm feeling,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to get it wrong and potentially

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<v Speaker 1>just ruin the friendship. I don't think it'll totally ruin

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<v Speaker 1>the friendship, but I do think that you can approach

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation slowly, and I think that it can be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a bit of a slow creep. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you need to sit down with him and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>these feelings are overwhelming, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>In love with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it would be more of a how much you

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate them being there and being there for you, and

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<v Speaker 1>how your feelings have started to evolve, and how did

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<v Speaker 1>they feel about that, you know, And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>that is kind of a softer way to approach it

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<v Speaker 1>than emotionally dumping.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to go so far as to say too,

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't just have to be verbal, Like you can

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<v Speaker 4>put signals out, you can put your feelers out with touch,

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<v Speaker 4>you can flirt, you can there are things that you

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<v Speaker 4>can do to see if it's reciprocated. Most people can

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<v Speaker 4>feel it out and see if someone's flirting back, Like

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<v Speaker 4>you can tell if someone's reciprocating feelings when you put

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<v Speaker 4>them out there, or if it's an awkward moment where

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<v Speaker 4>they haven't like doubled down on the feeling, like you

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<v Speaker 4>will get a vibe. And if you are putting those

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<v Speaker 4>feelers out a little bit, like even if it's something

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<v Speaker 4>that you wouldn't normally do, that still could be innocent

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<v Speaker 4>a touch of the leg or like an extra long

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<v Speaker 4>hug or a you know, those little things where you

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<v Speaker 4>brush past someone. There are all these little ways of

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<v Speaker 4>trying to investigate if you don't want to go like

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<v Speaker 4>helpful leather, if you don't want to sit them down

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<v Speaker 4>and be like, look, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you, but don't you think like maybe those

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<v Speaker 1>things have already been done. And that's why she's at

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<v Speaker 1>a point where she's like, Okay, I'm wondering whether I'm

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<v Speaker 1>picking up on these things. I can only imagine though,

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<v Speaker 1>that there is an added layer of absolute confusion when

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<v Speaker 1>you add in the fact that you know he's someone

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<v Speaker 1>who was friends of your late husband's. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how you navigate that without having the conversation with a

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<v Speaker 1>bit more honesty and a bit more openness, because you've

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<v Speaker 1>both been through so much like that is a huge

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<v Speaker 1>grief that the two of you have been through. So

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with what you're saying in a normal situation.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not sure if just like pivoting the friendship

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<v Speaker 1>to flirty town necessarily would be the best way for

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<v Speaker 1>you to go about it when you've been friends for

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<v Speaker 1>so long.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tricky it's a really tricky one to navigate,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just think it's an honest conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But I think the strange thing here is it's

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<v Speaker 4>not they haven't been besties for ages, she said. I've

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<v Speaker 4>recently reconnected with an old friend, so he hasn't been

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<v Speaker 4>in the circle for a long time. They haven't been

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<v Speaker 4>really close. Best is there were friends a long time ago,

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<v Speaker 4>all obviously in the same circle. They've reconnected.

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<v Speaker 1>Why have you reconnected? Why have you sought each other out? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good question. Did he seek you out? And

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<v Speaker 1>was he like, hey, it'll be nice to catch up.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you seek him?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 4>Ask yourself all these things. But I really want to say,

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<v Speaker 4>life is really short. If you have these feelings, every

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<v Speaker 4>part of me wants to say to you, you deserve

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<v Speaker 4>to be happy, and you deserve to fall in love.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you think that it's reciprocated, then I want

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<v Speaker 4>to say go for it, Like, I can't imagine any

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<v Speaker 4>pain that you were going to experience is going to

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<v Speaker 4>be remotely similar to what you have been through.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be taking a chance in love, but that's

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm a romantic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, take a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I agree, And I think it's always good to

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<v Speaker 1>ask yourself to be a question of like what am

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<v Speaker 1>I going to lose by being honest in this? And

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<v Speaker 1>like if it uproots the friendship and the friendship does shift,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you do lose that friendship, Like what does

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<v Speaker 1>that look like for you? Is that a risk you're

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<v Speaker 1>willing to take? Like is the friendship one that's so

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<v Speaker 1>imperative to you because it's not necessarily a friendship when

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<v Speaker 1>you have these feelings anyway, you know it's already compromised.

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<v Speaker 1>So at least, like you have the answer to your question.

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<v Speaker 4>But also, can you send us this in as an aftermath?

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<v Speaker 4>Like can you update us on what you do and

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<v Speaker 4>what happens with this situation? This is one I'm proper

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<v Speaker 4>invested in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of weeks ago, my husband and I attended

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<v Speaker 1>my cousin's babies dedication at church, which I'm guessing is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a christening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea.

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<v Speaker 1>All was going well until they announced in front of

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<v Speaker 1>all of our friends and family that my husband and

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<v Speaker 1>I were the godparents to their child.

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<v Speaker 2>We were shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no previous conversations around this topic, and my

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<v Speaker 1>husband and I agreed that if they asked us, we

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<v Speaker 1>would politely decline, as it's a serious role to take

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<v Speaker 1>on and we already have three kids of our own

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<v Speaker 1>and wanted to try for another one. We stood there

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<v Speaker 1>awkwardly smiling and didn't know how to react. We were

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<v Speaker 1>never asked to be their child's godparents, and we're announced

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<v Speaker 1>with the title in front of everyone, with no prior discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>My question is is it root of me to have

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation with them and to explain to them that

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<v Speaker 1>we thought it was unfair of them to announce that

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<v Speaker 1>in front of our entire family when we were never

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<v Speaker 1>even asked if we would take on the role. Or

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<v Speaker 1>should I say nothing and pretend like we aren't bothered

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<v Speaker 1>by it?

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<v Speaker 3>This is wild.

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<v Speaker 1>There are things that you can get away with not

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<v Speaker 1>asking no. They obviously were so confident that you were

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<v Speaker 1>going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say yes no.

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<v Speaker 4>That is so ballsy to assume that people would take

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<v Speaker 4>your kids if you die.

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<v Speaker 2>I don's a question.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what god parents mean.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>A godparent traditionally just means that you are responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>the religious upbringing of that child. You're not responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>inheriting that child if you pass away.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I have been asked to be I'm so many

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<v Speaker 4>people's godparents because because I've got no kids, and all

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<v Speaker 4>of them it's who you want your child to go

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<v Speaker 4>to if something happens to you. Of course it's about

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<v Speaker 4>like the bringing up as well, but if God forbid

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<v Speaker 4>something happened to parents, it's about who the person is

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<v Speaker 4>that they trust to be the stepping parent.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, genuinely, and I say this from someone who was

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<v Speaker 1>raised in the Catholic Church. But a classic Christian godparent,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's where this is, is a person who presents

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<v Speaker 1>a child at baptism to promise to take responsibility for

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<v Speaker 1>their religious education.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's evolved.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Agree, but I don't think that every single person out

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<v Speaker 1>there who has taken on the responsibility of a godparent

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily is also taking on the responsibility of adopting the

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<v Speaker 1>child or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I've got a lot of kids coming my way.

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<v Speaker 1>If something happens to the parents. Yeah, look, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>brazen bold. Maybe it's because people don't really often say

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<v Speaker 1>no to that request. I think like godparent request is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like being asked to be a bridesmaid. Most

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<v Speaker 1>people just say yes, even if they do it reluctantly. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm okay, this is my thing, right. I'm not religious,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have said yes to being people's godparents, because

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<v Speaker 1>when you're not religious, it means something else. So I

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<v Speaker 1>can't come to it from a religious aspect because I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't grow up in a church. But for me, the

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<v Speaker 1>people that have asked me to be a godparent, it

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<v Speaker 1>has been to be there when they need you, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera, to help raise the baby if you need to.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also if something goes wrong, it's almost like

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<v Speaker 1>writing them into a will.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's my experience.

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<v Speaker 4>If that is your experience here, which I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 4>it is, maybe it's just about the religion and teaching them.

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<v Speaker 4>If it is your experience, that is a really big thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think you absolutely are entitled to have a

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<v Speaker 4>conversation yeah and say, hey, what are the expectations around this?

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<v Speaker 4>Like when you say I'm your godparent, what level of

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<v Speaker 4>involvement does that mean? And really clarify what it means

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<v Speaker 4>because evidently, even as we've discovered in this conversation, it

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<v Speaker 4>means very different things to different people.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think you really need to firstly.

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<v Speaker 4>Not out what are the expectations of your role as godparent,

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<v Speaker 4>and then maybe you can decide because if it's really

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<v Speaker 4>low key and it's just a title, because that means

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<v Speaker 4>you mean something to them and you don't have to

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<v Speaker 4>do that much, then just look at it maybe as

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<v Speaker 4>an honor. But if they have these really high expectations

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<v Speaker 4>and it does maybe mean that you have to inherit

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<v Speaker 4>the children one day and it's quite excessive and you

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<v Speaker 4>don't want that, then I think that that is a

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<v Speaker 4>different discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I absolutely agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I think have that and then once you understand what

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<v Speaker 1>their expectations are of you in that role, then you

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<v Speaker 1>can say whether or not you do or don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable to be that person. But also like asking someone

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<v Speaker 1>to be that significant thing or person in your life,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it might be at bridesmaid, whether it might be

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<v Speaker 1>a godparent, whatever it is, maybe it's asking someone.

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<v Speaker 2>To marry you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, that's a moment that's like a special thing

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<v Speaker 1>that you share with that person that makes them feel

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<v Speaker 1>valued and respected and important, and you share it with

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<v Speaker 1>them first because those qualities are so important prior to

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<v Speaker 1>sharing it with everyone, you know what I mean. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a thing that makes that person feel individual within

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<v Speaker 1>something that's very special to everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe they thought you were going to say no,

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<v Speaker 3>so they're like, we'll just put them on the sp.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Why else do you do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Weird? One.

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<v Speaker 4>The only reason you ever ask people things or say

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<v Speaker 4>statements in front of other people, like witnesses, is so

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<v Speaker 4>that they can't say no one they feel pressured to

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<v Speaker 4>say us.

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<v Speaker 2>But who says no to being a godparent like that? People?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I do agree, but it's also quite an offensive response.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if I was like, hey, I love you and

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to be such a big part of

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<v Speaker 1>my child's life and I love you to be their godparent,

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<v Speaker 1>and someone was like, oh, not for.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, but it's a lifelong responsibility.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it is, But I would think that if

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<v Speaker 1>you're choosing someone to be a godparent, you've chosen them

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<v Speaker 1>because you think that they're going to be a lifelong

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<v Speaker 1>person in your life and your child's life. You guys

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<v Speaker 1>are clearly on the wrong page, Like you are not

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<v Speaker 1>feeling the same about this role.

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<v Speaker 4>Which is why there are some things I think like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>bite the bullet, just let it happen.

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<v Speaker 3>But like a lifelong dedication to a.

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<v Speaker 4>Child is not one of those things where I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to say bite the bullet. I think you need to

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<v Speaker 4>have the conversation and just one hundred percent comes down

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<v Speaker 4>to what they see your role with as a god parent.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what this reminds me of.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very different, but you're just like ride the ride

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<v Speaker 1>the wave with me everyone. It's like when you're like

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<v Speaker 1>casually dating someone. You're casually dating, you are not committed.

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:13.920
<v Speaker 1>This is a situation ship. I am not your girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they just introduce you as their girlfriend and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, I did not fucking sign up for that power.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we get here? Why am I meeting your mom?

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<v Speaker 4>Or you're the person that's doing it, You're the person

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<v Speaker 4>introducing the situationship as a boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, unless unless you're the other first. But this happened

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<v Speaker 1>to me many many years ago. We were like chill, chill, chill,

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<v Speaker 1>everything's chill. And then all of a sudden, I was

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<v Speaker 1>introduced as a girlfriend. I was like, we're not chill anymore.

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:37.159
<v Speaker 1>And then I was like freaked out. They had to

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<v Speaker 1>break up with him. It was awful, just like, let

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<v Speaker 1>me sign up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the opposite. You were the one who's like, stop

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<v Speaker 2>introducing me as your friend. We've been hooking up for

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<v Speaker 2>four months.

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<v Speaker 4>You're like, we've been together for five years, we lived together,

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<v Speaker 4>we're invited to weddings.

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<v Speaker 2>Did this happen yeah, Todbleran no, no before Yeah, stop

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<v Speaker 2>introduce not just one that's bad.

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<v Speaker 4>To be fair, my partner I was with for two

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<v Speaker 4>years and I was getting married two years to do

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<v Speaker 4>that too, but he hate the sociopath.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think all this is the reason why we've

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<v Speaker 1>bonded so deeply over the years. We've all experienced it.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy my situationship of an entire year. I met

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<v Speaker 1>his mum finally, and it was around Christmas time and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I was meeting his mum because we were dating,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got caught a mate, so that was also

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<v Speaker 1>this is my mate, Laura.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're taking a trip our memory.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember when I was meeting this guy I was

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<v Speaker 4>with for two years, right, like thought I was with

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<v Speaker 4>him probably obviously though we're getting married. I remember meeting

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<v Speaker 4>his parents and you know, this makes me sound like

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<v Speaker 4>hindsight's a wonderful thing. I realized that I can see

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<v Speaker 4>the red flags in hindsight, but when you're in it,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't see it.

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<v Speaker 3>We were going to meet his parents for the first time,

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<v Speaker 3>which was already, mind you, well over a year in.

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<v Speaker 4>And he said, I just want to preface this, like,

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<v Speaker 4>I think I'm just going to introduce you as a friend.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like why, and he's like, it's just

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<v Speaker 4>too hard at the moment. My parents are going through

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<v Speaker 4>a divorce. It's all very messy. They were really this

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<v Speaker 4>is what he said. They were really attached to my

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<v Speaker 4>ex and I just don't want them to be like

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<v Speaker 4>a thing where they don't like you because you're the

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<v Speaker 4>new person yet.

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<v Speaker 3>So and I was like, totally get that. I really

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<v Speaker 3>want them to like me. So I fucking met them

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<v Speaker 3>as a friend.

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<v Speaker 4>His parents had been divorced for like fifteen years. Everything

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<v Speaker 4>was bullshit, and I went through that and I met

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<v Speaker 4>them as the friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you believe.

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<v Speaker 1>That what I can't believe is that people take advice

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<v Speaker 1>from as the.

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<v Speaker 2>Three of us.

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<v Speaker 1>I learned my lessons absolutely fucking useless.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird. No one has asked me to be their

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<v Speaker 2>child's good parent.

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<v Speaker 5>Not a single person, neither of I'm no godparents. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think you and I scream religious upbringing. I

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<v Speaker 5>also don't have godparents for my children. And I think

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<v Speaker 5>the reason why I don't have godparents for Lola Omali

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<v Speaker 5>is because of what it means to me to be

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<v Speaker 5>a godparent, Because when being raised Catholic, and being raised

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<v Speaker 5>in the church, and going to Catholic school, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>doing all of the different.

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<v Speaker 2>Things, it had a very specific meaning to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it kind of feels a bit me now

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't identify as being religious at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So saying is that it's available. The positions avail. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to pick audition, who would you pick? Would

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<v Speaker 2>you tell us beforehand? Would you just announce it? You

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<v Speaker 2>can be it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we need it. I don't like the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of it having to be like gendered. You have

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<v Speaker 1>a male and a female.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll have Marley, you can have Lola.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we can't put one of us is taking them.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got to go together. You can both who do

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<v Speaker 1>you trust more. It's the same as if I don't

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<v Speaker 1>give them. If I give them to you, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to end up a Keisha shout every weekend. Like what's

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<v Speaker 1>the difference.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so funny you say this because I have I

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<v Speaker 4>think i'm three people's godparents, like different family members.

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<v Speaker 3>They all have like, hey, if something happens, can you

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<v Speaker 3>have the kids?

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<v Speaker 2>But they've also the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>They're like, we don't know how we feel about it,

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<v Speaker 4>but you're the only one that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Got like stable job, you don't have any kids, so

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<v Speaker 3>they'd fit in.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're a bit worried about what they eat and

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<v Speaker 2>what'd that do. And I'm like the kid flattered or not.

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<v Speaker 1>The kids live off chicken nuggets, chicken nuggets and salmon steaks,

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<v Speaker 1>which it sounds like a semi luxury and also a

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<v Speaker 1>bit povo, but it's like in between one extreme other. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>look funny, Yeah, I don't have godparents. And also, do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I grew up with god parents. I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't even tell you who my godparents are. I was

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<v Speaker 1>given godparents as a child. No clue who they are,

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<v Speaker 1>don't I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll checking my.

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<v Speaker 3>Mum, my aunties and uncles.

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<v Speaker 2>I just reread we stood there awkwardly smiling and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to react. It's relatable.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so awkward.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, next question, I have a lot of trust issues.

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<v Speaker 1>This okay, let me preface this. This question is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit cooked. Okay, it's a little bit cooked.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't judge, so are we?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Good company, We've established that. All right, We listen

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<v Speaker 2>and we do not judge. I have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>trust issues.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had a rough time with relationships and trust in

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<v Speaker 1>the past, and I always grow through my husband's phone

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<v Speaker 1>literally once a day, I would say, not necessarily finding anything,

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<v Speaker 1>just making sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, yeah, every twenty four else.

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<v Speaker 1>About a month ago, I asked him to change his

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<v Speaker 1>passwords so I couldn't go through his phone anymore. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you ladies think about this, not having your partner's

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<v Speaker 1>phone password. Do you think it will help my trust

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<v Speaker 1>as I have to keep reminding myself that he is

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<v Speaker 1>a good guy and my past is still haunting me.

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<v Speaker 1>Or do you think that it's unhealthy? I did counseling

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time after my previous relationships, but now

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<v Speaker 1>it's too expensive with two children.

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<v Speaker 2>Help.

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking, oh, okay, if this is a newish relationship,

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<v Speaker 3>I get it.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe you don't know where you're at, or you don't

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 4>know much about him, but it's your husband.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm assuming that it's a.

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<v Speaker 4>Relatively long relationship that you've been with him for if

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<v Speaker 4>you've been long enough to know him, dat him, have kids,

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<v Speaker 4>get married. So I'm wondering if he's done anything to

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 4>make you feel that way. That's one thing. If he's

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<v Speaker 4>been an amazing husband that's never made you question and

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<v Speaker 4>your issues are still from your past, then it is

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<v Speaker 4>a way bigger issue. I do not think it's normal

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<v Speaker 4>to go through your partner's phone. So I have Ben's

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<v Speaker 4>passwords and he leaves his phone unattended all the time

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<v Speaker 4>and I have not ever once opened it. He has

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<v Speaker 4>my past, Yeah, he can go through it when everyone's

0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:04.440
<v Speaker 4>and he doesn't. And I don't want to say like

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<v Speaker 4>it's you know, I don't want you to compare it

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 4>to this, but I do want to say that it

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<v Speaker 4>is not normal to have this level of distrust that

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<v Speaker 4>you were going through your husband's phone every single day.

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:17.799
<v Speaker 3>If he hasn't done anything to make you feel that way.

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's this to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I read this and I was like, you can do

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<v Speaker 1>something so often that it becomes a compulsion to do it,

0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Like you have created like an incredibly toxic habit that

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.640
<v Speaker 1>you feel like you have to have maintenance on your

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:36.280
<v Speaker 1>husband to quote unquote make sure he's not doing anything

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 1>like you. There is so much fear that you have

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 1>manifested And I don't want to say because we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You have not said you said you had a really

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<v Speaker 1>rough time in relationships and trust, but you haven't said

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:47.840
<v Speaker 1>like you said, Britt, you have not said if that

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:50.880
<v Speaker 1>is from this relationship, right, So I don't want to

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>say that this is all you and you've manifested this

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 1>and you're like creating this in your mind. It may

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<v Speaker 1>be the byproduct of really bad behavior of your husband's

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 1>and therefore you are now in this cycle of like

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<v Speaker 1>not totally being able to trust and not totally being

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>able to forgive and just kind of going around in

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.759
<v Speaker 1>the hamster wheel. But making the assumption that that's not

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the case. You are making this so much worse by

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<v Speaker 1>the habit and the constantness of the checking so I think, firstly,

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's good that you've put some parameters in

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 1>place so that you can't check his phone. Not knowing

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 1>his password is a good step.

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 3>Well you however, this is a problem.

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, However, the thing is is that I think that

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<v Speaker 1>you probably need to try and work to create some

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 1>distance in terms of, like, you don't want it to

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<v Speaker 1>be the fact that the only reason why you're not

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>going through his phone is because you don't know his password.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I mean?

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:39.879
<v Speaker 1>Like, you might need this for a period to help

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 1>to create that separation, but you do have to get

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:45.439
<v Speaker 1>to a point where the reason why you don't check

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 1>his phone is because you trust him. You trust that

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing going on there that needs you to check

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:51.360
<v Speaker 1>it in the first place. And I mean, I know

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:53.359
<v Speaker 1>that you said you've done counseling, and you did it

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 1>in your previous relationships, but now it's too expensive. It's

0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:59.400
<v Speaker 1>almost as though that you've created a compulsive behavior. But

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.760
<v Speaker 1>the compulsive behavior isn't just the checking of the phone.

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>It's the constantly thinking about the checking of the phone.

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 1>It's the constantly thinking about wanting to catch him out

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>about something. And you're in this like loop of when

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 1>you think that you worry and manifest and are having

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.200
<v Speaker 1>this anxiety that he's done something wrong and you need

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 1>to check his phone to satiate the worry and the anxiety.

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>You are being made to feel better every time you

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 1>check his phone because there's nothing there, So you're getting

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>that sort of like reassurance. The thing is you have

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.320
<v Speaker 1>to get to a place where you break that feedback

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 1>cycle and you're able to give yourself the reassurance that

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing there and actually trust that statistically you've checked

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:36.800
<v Speaker 1>it one hundred times there's nothing there.

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing more to check.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I no, I mean, I don't believe that one

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:41.800
<v Speaker 3>day there might be something. But I'm not trying to

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 3>say that to scare you.

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 4>But if he hasn't been the cause, you've done the

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 4>first step. You've recognized that you're the problem and what

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 4>you're doing is not right. Because you've asked him to

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 4>change the password, this means he's hyper aware of the

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 4>fact that there is an issue. Like otherwise, it's not

0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:58.360
<v Speaker 4>a normal thing for you to go to your husband's

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 4>change your password. There has to have been a conversation

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 4>of some sort that's happened off the back of that.

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 4>What I want you to ask yourself is what was

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 4>that conversation, Like how in depth did you go, how

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 4>much reassurance did you get? What was your husband's reaction,

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 4>Because it might just be that I would normally say,

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 4>speak to someone and get counseling, but I totally understand

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 4>that's so expensive and that is not currently an option

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 4>for you. So maybe it can be the way that

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 4>you talk to each other. Like maybe you and your

0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 4>husband you can really explain what your issues are and why,

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.719
<v Speaker 4>and you can say, I don't think you're doing anything wrong.

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 4>I can't explain why I'm doing it, but I want

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 4>to stop. And maybe it's a matter of him giving

0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:39.640
<v Speaker 4>you some more reassurance in the relationship. Maybe there's some

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 4>sort of lack of affection that's making you question what

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:43.319
<v Speaker 4>your relationship is.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't be.

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.359
<v Speaker 4>Sure what is the driving force here for your insecurity

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 4>in this moment, but what I can be sure is

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 4>saying help talking to your partner is always going to

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 4>help in some capacity. If he doesn't want a bar

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:58.919
<v Speaker 4>of it, that's another discussion. And I would then say,

0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 4>I understand where you're into curities are coming from. If

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:02.800
<v Speaker 4>he doesn't want to talk to you about it.

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.239
<v Speaker 1>It's tricky because like, yes, I understand, like if he

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want a bar of it, but like, let's assume

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 1>he's never done anything wrong, and every day he has

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 1>his wife checking his phone doing maintenance just to make

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 1>sure there's this like presumed fault here that's happening. It

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 1>would become exhausting having to constantly reassure your partner that

0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>you're not a bad person and that you're not cheating

0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:30.120
<v Speaker 1>on them if every single day they are checking your phone.

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 1>And so I understand if he gets to a point

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 1>where he's like, I don't want to keep talking about this, Like,

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:35.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much more reassuring you want.

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I've changed my password. You're the one with the issue.

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 2>You're the one that needs to get over this.

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Like how do you move past it when like all

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 1>the reassurance is being given. How would you react if

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:46.880
<v Speaker 1>you found out that your partner was checking your phone

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:47.799
<v Speaker 1>every single day?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I'd be really upset because I'd be upset because

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:53.319
<v Speaker 4>the implication is that you don't trust me and that

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 4>you think I'm doing something whilst he has access to it.

0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 4>I would ask why, what is it that you're looking

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 4>for in my phone right now. Like it's different when

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 4>you need to go in and just check a message

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 4>or an email or send something or going to Google

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 4>Maps or yeah, but if you're just scrolling through.

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 3>My personal phone, it's still your personal device.

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:12.799
<v Speaker 1>It's very very accusatory, Like I'm looking through this with

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:15.840
<v Speaker 1>the expectation of the maintenance that I might find something,

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 1>So someone invasion of privacy, Yeah, totally, Well, I mean

0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 1>yes and no. In some instances, like for example, I

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:23.400
<v Speaker 1>have full access to Matt's phone. We have like an

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 1>open phone policy in our house. It was never it

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 1>was never laid out. We never sat down and we're like,

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 1>we're going to have an open phone policy. But we've

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:31.920
<v Speaker 1>always been very open with our phones. If I came

0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 1>downstairs and he was going through my phone, I would

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 1>not assume that he was going through my text messages

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:38.919
<v Speaker 1>because he thought that I'd done something wrong. I would

0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>think he was looking for someone's pay ID, or he

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 1>was looking for a photo or something, do you know

0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Because like we have that openness to it.

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:48.960
<v Speaker 1>But if I found out that every single day he

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 1>was going through my phone trying to catch me out

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 1>for being deceitful. It would affect the way I feel

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:57.280
<v Speaker 1>about him in some way. I would feel really hurt.

0:39:57.400 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that he didn't trust me, but I do.

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that there is another layer to this?

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 1>And I think that yes, you might have a lot

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:05.880
<v Speaker 1>of anxieties about past relationships. But what I said in

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:10.839
<v Speaker 1>the beginning, you have created a loop of habit and

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I think you actually, apart from maybe looking at you know, Okay,

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:15.880
<v Speaker 1>what do I need to do from a relationship or

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.640
<v Speaker 1>self work perspective, I actually think it could even be

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 1>helpful to looking at how to break a habit every

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 1>single time that you If you have the urge to

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.239
<v Speaker 1>check his phone, every single time that you put that

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 1>phone down and you walk away from it rather than

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 1>checking it, you are creating new sign apses that tell

0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:33.759
<v Speaker 1>you that you don't have to do.

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 2>That habit anymore. Do you know what I mean? Like

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 2>you're creating the habit of not doing it.

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:38.839
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's what she's done by changing the passwords. Ex

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:40.280
<v Speaker 3>aren't physically do it exactly.

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:41.440
<v Speaker 2>You've taken one step.

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:43.880
<v Speaker 1>But this is like, this is something you have to

0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>be conscious of every day and every single time you

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:48.279
<v Speaker 1>have that urge you've got to go, do you know what.

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to check it because I do trust

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:52.879
<v Speaker 1>my husband and he's a great guy. And then walk

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 1>away from that phone and go for a walk, or

0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>go and do something else, do something that totally distracts

0:40:57.239 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 1>your way. And the more times that you are able

0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 1>to do, the more chance you have of breaking this

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 1>really fucking toxic habit that you have around phones and

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 1>your husband.

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 2>You know what's.

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 4>Interesting though, I would be off the fact, even though

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.880
<v Speaker 4>we have an open phone policy too, if Ben was

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:15.279
<v Speaker 4>just going through my phone for shits and giggles all

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 4>the time, I'm off that it's still like my private life,

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 4>Like it's still like my private diary. And I'm not

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:23.879
<v Speaker 4>my diary. I'm not hiding anything in there. But there's

0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 4>just something that puts me off if I just found

0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 4>him in the depth scrolling my phone and reading messages

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 4>in the emails, like I just think.

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 3>It's still my private place.

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.440
<v Speaker 1>When I say Matt goes through my phone, like and

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 1>he goes to find a picture or something, or sometimes

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 1>he'll go to find an email that's like something that

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:39.439
<v Speaker 1>he might need. But I know he's not scrolling through

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:41.799
<v Speaker 1>my like he's not in there with the intention of

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.719
<v Speaker 1>anything other than something that mutually benefits us or him,

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like it'd be because he

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:46.959
<v Speaker 1>needed an.

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Invoice for the renno, or like do you know what

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:49.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean.

0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:51.520
<v Speaker 1>There's never been a time where I've seen Matt going

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:52.840
<v Speaker 1>through my phone and thought.

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 2>What are you looking for? What are you trying to get? Huh?

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Oh, what photo do you want? Like me,

0:41:58.160 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 2>tell me and I'll tell you where it is. Do

0:41:59.480 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean?

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 1>It's never been met with that because there's just so

0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:06.200
<v Speaker 1>much trust whereas I think about my past relationship and

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I was this person, Like when I was in my fucking,

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 1>really toxic relationship with the guy was cheating on me,

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:16.240
<v Speaker 1>I went through his phone every single day.

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Every day. A guy I was.

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:20.040
<v Speaker 5>Dating changed the name of the girl that he was

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 5>cheating on me with to one of his best mates

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 5>named so that I wouldn't see the name on the

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:27.280
<v Speaker 5>phone and think to click on the messages.

0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:28.839
<v Speaker 2>But that's just his mate.

0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 3>That warrants you going through his phone, That's why.

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:32.239
<v Speaker 2>But I only found that out because I went through

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 2>it totally.

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.040
<v Speaker 1>But the thing is, though, is that you didn't take

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:38.880
<v Speaker 1>that relationship trauma into your next relationship. You didn't start

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 1>dating someone and then start going through their phone thinking

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:45.959
<v Speaker 1>that that person is the replica of your ex.

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean.

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:48.440
<v Speaker 1>You give everyone the benefit of the doubt based on

0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 1>the new relationship and how they treat you.

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:52.720
<v Speaker 5>It took a couple of gos, But I actually remember

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 5>in my current relationship when we first got together, I

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 5>remember having the conversation with myself and I actively said,

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 5>the second you feel the need to go through his phone,

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 5>you need to end your relationship because that is your

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:10.280
<v Speaker 5>past and that shows that you don't trust your new boyfriend.

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 5>And because of what I had been through previously, I

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 5>knew I couldn't feel safe in a relationship where I

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 5>still felt that need to like to check that everything

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 5>was So.

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Did you just link his zicloud to yours? So it

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 3>just computed as.

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:24.920
<v Speaker 2>His messages are so boring and.

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah no, But what I mean is like I actually

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 5>do understand what started this behavior, and I think exactly

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:32.279
<v Speaker 5>like you've said, Laura, it's just become a habit. Like

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 5>now I think you're kind of just you're getting that

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 5>regulation of the calm down effect by not finding anything

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:40.120
<v Speaker 5>and so you're like, Okay, I'm good for another twenty

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:43.359
<v Speaker 5>four hours. I'll check again tomorrow when the anxiety raises again.

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:45.279
<v Speaker 5>And so I think you need some regulation work.

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 1>So go and listen to the episode we do with

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:48.520
<v Speaker 1>TJ Powers at the beginning of this, which is all

0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 1>around like how to regulate your dopamine and your internal

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 1>corsol and see.

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 3>The sun first before you go through Pant's phone.

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I know that that sounds that sounded really base, but like,

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>then try it all right. Last question, I have been

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 1>with my partner for five years and we are expecting

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:05.319
<v Speaker 1>our first child. I already owned a house before meeting

0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:07.360
<v Speaker 1>him and have since sold it so he can buy

0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 1>something for our growing family. The issue is I am

0:44:11.000 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 1>the only one contributing to the deposit, as it is

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 1>a large sum of money from the sale. He is

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:19.120
<v Speaker 1>older and has no assets of his own. How do

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 1>I navigate this so that I don't resent him for

0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:25.040
<v Speaker 1>quote getting a free ride to a house, which I

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:28.080
<v Speaker 1>have worked so hard to have for myself. I can't

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.720
<v Speaker 1>help it resent him for not getting his shit together earlier.

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 1>For context, we had very similar upbringings and occupations, so

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 1>there isn't much of a salary difference between us. I've

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:37.760
<v Speaker 1>just been better with my money.

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you need to have a prenup.

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Even if you guys aren't married and you're having a

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.719
<v Speaker 1>baby together, you're a de facto relationship. It is not

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 1>offensive and it is not abnormal to have a prenup.

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:51.040
<v Speaker 1>You need to have a big conversation with him about finances.

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 1>He knows that you're coming to this relationship with more

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:55.360
<v Speaker 1>money than him. He knows that you're coming to this

0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:58.600
<v Speaker 1>relationship with the deposit for the house. And you say,

0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I love you and I everything that we're building together,

0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and I love that we have a family. However, financially

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 1>and from a financial security perspective, I wanted to have

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 1>a conversation with you about this house that we're buying together.

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 1>I am putting down the deposit and I want that

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 1>money to be protected, so if anything does happen in

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.200
<v Speaker 1>our future, I know that at least I'm going to

0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:22.560
<v Speaker 1>walk away from our relationship with that deposit still intact.

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:25.280
<v Speaker 2>And if he turns around and says that's a problem,

0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:27.839
<v Speaker 2>then that is an absolute red flag as to what

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 2>type of person this guy is.

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:31.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this to me is so easy and straightforward.

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.800
<v Speaker 4>I am in this exact situation besides the fact that

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:37.799
<v Speaker 4>we are expecting our first child. So I bought a

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:39.799
<v Speaker 4>house as an investment a couple of years ago.

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't live in it. I rent now, but I made.

0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:45.800
<v Speaker 4>An investment for myself before I met Ben. Since Ben's

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:47.759
<v Speaker 4>coming to the picture we're getting married. We have had

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:51.440
<v Speaker 4>that discussion where I have said, look, whatever we build

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<v Speaker 4>from here forward, and whatever we build together as a

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<v Speaker 4>couple and a family will be ours as a couple.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, but I want to know that we're on

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<v Speaker 4>the same page here. What I have built before you

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<v Speaker 4>and what I have worked hard for is mine. Are

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<v Speaker 4>you happy if we move forward like that? And it

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't even He was like, of course, Like you've done

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<v Speaker 4>that before me, this is yours. He's happy to put

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<v Speaker 4>that in writing, and the same with him, anything that

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<v Speaker 4>he has built before me, I wouldn't think about touching.

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<v Speaker 4>But I do think once you make something as a couple,

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<v Speaker 4>it gets a little bit more tricky. So this comes

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<v Speaker 4>down to is he going to be contributing to this

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<v Speaker 4>new mortgage? I understand you're bringing the deposit. Is he

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<v Speaker 4>going to be paying week to week? Is it fifty

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<v Speaker 4>to fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it all you?

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<v Speaker 4>Because you can say you can put into an agreement,

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<v Speaker 4>like you can put anything you want into a legal

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 4>financial agreement. So you can say, I'm bringing two hundred

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:44.839
<v Speaker 4>thousand dollars deposit to this house, so I will own

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<v Speaker 4>that percentage of when we sell, whatever profit we make

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:50.359
<v Speaker 4>on the rest, we'll split fifty to fifty. Like you

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<v Speaker 4>can make that financial agreement whatever suits you, as long

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<v Speaker 4>as you go down the legal aspect.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there's a caut like you said, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of ways, like you could have interest on

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:02.280
<v Speaker 1>the deposit, or you can simply just safeguard the deposit itself,

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:03.800
<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean? Like you might find

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<v Speaker 1>that a better way of going about it, just being like, cool, Well,

0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:08.839
<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure that if we sell the

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<v Speaker 1>place and things don't go well, I at least get

0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 1>my initial deposit back and everything else. We split fifty

0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 1>fifty because we've been contributing to the mortgage fifty to fifty. Genuinely,

0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 1>go and listen to the episode we did with Victoria Divine.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about prenups, we talked about protecting your financial wealth.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I don't want to go down too hard

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<v Speaker 1>on you. But you would be silly to go into

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<v Speaker 1>this relationship without having this conversation for fear of offending

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<v Speaker 1>your partner, Because I know that we go into relationships

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<v Speaker 1>with the best of intentions with them working out and

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<v Speaker 1>being long term. Nobody goes into a having a baby

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<v Speaker 1>with someone or potentially getting married thinking, oh my gosh,

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:46.759
<v Speaker 1>this is probably just going to end in divorce. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not how relationships work. But unfortunately and statistically, sometimes things

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<v Speaker 1>don't go to plan, and sometimes we do have to

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<v Speaker 1>navigate what that looks like at the end. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think having the conversations early on make you very, very

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<v Speaker 1>prepared and make you both much more on the same

0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:06.240
<v Speaker 1>page if something like that does go down. And also,

0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:08.319
<v Speaker 1>like you say, you're feeling resentful, you're feeling all these

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:11.080
<v Speaker 1>things already, Like a really honest conversation about it has

0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:13.800
<v Speaker 1>to be had, and if he has an adverse reaction,

0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:16.800
<v Speaker 1>then like that's a whole other issue to unpack.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually wild. I was just looking up some stats

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<v Speaker 3>on divorce. I absolutely agree.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, we want to think the best, but we

0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:27.480
<v Speaker 4>know so many relationships don't last, and you just don't

0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:29.480
<v Speaker 4>want to be in that position where you're where they

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<v Speaker 4>can take something.

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<v Speaker 1>From really hope for the best, prepare for the worst

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.320
<v Speaker 1>dred kind of like the saying of everything in life

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<v Speaker 1>my song, my saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know Matt and I.

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<v Speaker 1>We never had to have this conversation prior, so like

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<v Speaker 1>Matt and I don't have a prenup, and we never

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<v Speaker 1>discussed our finances when we got together, really, and the

0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:53.720
<v Speaker 1>reason for that is is because we both were pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much financially the same, Like we both came into our

0:48:56.520 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 1>relationship with not a lot of savings. We're pretty we

0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:03.239
<v Speaker 1>were pretty similar, and so everything that we have in

0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:06.839
<v Speaker 1>our life we've built since being together. So even though

0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.800
<v Speaker 1>we have not the same incomes, like our incomes and

0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:14.080
<v Speaker 1>a no flexialparative financially we earn different amounts of money, right,

0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 1>but we've built that together and everything I see mutually

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:20.720
<v Speaker 1>as both of ours, right, it completely down the middle.

0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:23.239
<v Speaker 1>If we got separated, I would only assume it's very

0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 1>very fifty to fifty. But I think that that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of makes sense when you've both come to a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with the same financial situation. But if you're coming to

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship with a very different financial situation.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to protect yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's just smart. Literally, it's smart. I haven't worked

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<v Speaker 4>your ass off, your whole life for it to be

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<v Speaker 4>taken by someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's it from us, guys, And the next time

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you hear from me, we'll have the lowdown or what

0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:46.440
<v Speaker 1>the hell is happening in the jungle, And maybe Matt will.

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<v Speaker 3>Be back and maybe you've been on safari.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not, to be honest, I don't think there's any

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<v Speaker 2>time for safari.

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<v Speaker 3>No, there is.

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<v Speaker 4>There is if you're actually going there is. It is

0:49:54.719 --> 0:49:58.120
<v Speaker 4>pretty cool where you will sleep. You literally walk down

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<v Speaker 4>this sta like, don't leave the girls unattended, because I

0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:01.800
<v Speaker 4>could get eaten by some kind of animal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's why Jolly would like that. She's like, I'm back

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<v Speaker 2>with my people.

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<v Speaker 4>Mom.

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<v Speaker 2>You can going out with the lions. You can walk.

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<v Speaker 4>Down the stairs of the backyard area and there is

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<v Speaker 4>a car and you're in safari.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, it's really cool. If you go, you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>have an amazing time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll see you all on the other side, my loves,

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<v Speaker 1>And if you've enjoyed the episode, go leave a review.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, you can watch this all on YouTube. Play the questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Ask your partner or your friends like how they would

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<v Speaker 1>respond to these questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Get a prenup.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always a good fund dinner party, activity, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know the drill.

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<v Speaker 4>You mom to your dad, tea dot tea friends and

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