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Speaker 2: Good morning to your Finny.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 4: And what a great morning it is to be a

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Speaker 2: Now we know Friday tensions were pretty high.

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Speaker 1: You'd have to say at the Police Association conference that

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Speaker 1: I couldn't even I didn't get to cover the conference

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Speaker 2: But you know, how did that all roll out?

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Speaker 4: There's some heated moments, definitely, Catie, but we're pretty disappointed

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Speaker 4: halfway through my opening speech was pretty disrespectful to us

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Speaker 3: Months so he's been acting as the Police Minister.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like there's any love loss there.

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Speaker 3: Finney Well, I love him.

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Speaker 4: He's a great bloke in the best of times, but

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Speaker 4: he's done his job very poorly and we've held him

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Speaker 3: Force, he's chosen. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately it's been shown the reasons why he should have listened.

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Speaker 1: Now, obviously we know a new government elected on the weekend,

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Speaker 4: So main issues is especially around our election commitments, was

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Speaker 4: but it was a great forum. The conference went extremely well.

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Speaker 4: We got our points across very well. It was strategic

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Speaker 4: These commitments have been made by the COLP government today

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Speaker 3: Behalf our members. This is not something that's done by

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Speaker 4: We fight for these conditions to make sure the legislation

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Speaker 1: By She's flagged a number of legislative changes, including re

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Speaker 4: To Katie, and we've seen time and time again our

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Speaker 1: I mean hug and release program there. I know there'll

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Speaker 4: The frontline members are still struggling with the day to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I'll talk about that retention bonus in just

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Speaker 1: Really as a matter of priority.

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Speaker 4: The legislation changes are important, but also putting in place

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Speaker 1: And even last week we'd had somebody call through and

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Speaker 1: Themselves now finny in terms of these retention bonuses, when

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Speaker 4: That's a discussion. Obviously, this stuff needs to be funded

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Speaker 1: How big a difference do your record it's actually going

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Speaker 4: It's definitely something to work towards, and it's definitely something

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Speaker 3: I'd think about it as well. But we need to

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Speaker 4: Make sure our members remain as a Northern Territory Police

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Speaker 3: And this is great step to start with.

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Speaker 1: That Finny before I let you go, I know as

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Speaker 1: and said that he was returning his police medal back

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Speaker 3: That's very disappointing, Katie.

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Speaker 4: a number of range of things, some senior management across

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Speaker 4: the government, from the crime being assaulted. It's a true

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Speaker 4: fact that our members suffer every single day and they

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Speaker 4: feel like they're being supported that time. So we made

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Speaker 4: that quite clear to the Commission, and the Commission clarified

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Speaker 4: members feel that they have to give their service medals back.

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Speaker 4: They serve with honor and they should be awarded.

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Speaker 2: Those are those that have given those medals back, or

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Speaker 2: just John L. Frank, the former minister, any others.

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Speaker 4: But again there's some sentiment across the retired police Association

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Speaker 4: and from their representations as well. There's a lot of

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Speaker 4: because they've done the.

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Speaker 2: Hard It is really sad.

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Speaker 4: Actually they've gouged the way of for our current police

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Speaker 3: We need to make sure that we respect what they've done.

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Speaker 4: There have been some tragedies in the past again, but

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Speaker 4: to account. It's not a reflection of our true professional

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: Our members are subject to internal discipline process that's like

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Speaker 4: no other. We're under scrutiny every single day of the week.

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Speaker 4: They feel this and they know this, and they're held

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Speaker 4: They feel the pressure of that.

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Speaker 1: Well. Northern Territory Police Association President Nathan Finn, we better

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Speaker 1: leave it. They're always good to catch up with you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time today.

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Speaker 4: Always good Katie, and yeah, look forward to working with

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Speaker 4: with what we've got. And I truly thank the CLP

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Speaker 4: So I congratulate Leir on reaching out to us and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of good will there at the

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Speaker 1: moment towards the new COLP government. You know, I know

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Speaker 1: it's going to take some time, but I hope they

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Speaker 1: it makes a big impact because goodness knows, the territory

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Speaker 3: And our men and women in Blue need it as well.

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Speaker 3: We can't thank them enough for what they do.

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Speaker 4: We're always here to have their back and make sure

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, good to catch up with you this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Gutting