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Speaker 2: Good Pickup with Britt Hockley and Laura Burn.
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Speaker 4: This is the pickup. Happy hum day afternoon everyone. It
Speaker 4: is the pick Up with Britt Hockley and Laura Burn.
Speaker 6: Are you feeling this fine Wednesday?
Speaker 1: Laura, I mean I'm feeling good now. We had a
Speaker 1: little bit of a setback this week.
Speaker 4: We had. I say we because I do.
Speaker 1: Think that when your kids are in kindergarten and they
Speaker 1: have assignments, Jew, that it also kind of falls on
Speaker 1: the parent as well.
Speaker 4: Like it's like we had an assignment, Jew.
Speaker 6: No kindergartener is doing assignments on their own. Everything is
Speaker 6: the parent.
Speaker 1: But also like, I don't know how a lot of
Speaker 1: parents have time for the homework part of school. And
Speaker 1: I say this because if your kids are going to
Speaker 1: after school care and they don't finish school until five o'clock,
Speaker 1: my kids are in bed at six thirty. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: got to come home, they got to eat dinner, and
Speaker 1: then they're in bed. We were a little bit late
Speaker 1: for Marley's first school project.
Speaker 6: What is a little bit late?
Speaker 1: We were a week late, oh, getting the first project in.
Speaker 4: It's okay. We got an extension. It was extension on.
Speaker 3: Your first project when you're in kidd That is wild.
Speaker 1: And it was on her favorite number, which is number six. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: is that because she's six?
Speaker 4: Well, she turned six tomorrow.
Speaker 1: It's her birthday, so she wanted to maybe she wanted
Speaker 1: to delay it so it was within her birthday week,
Speaker 1: so it made a bit more sense.
Speaker 6: Do you know what. I don't have children, but I
Speaker 6: think school are two lax these days.
Speaker 1: Back in my day, if you had just signed MAC children, No,
Speaker 1: we don't recommend it used to tie.
Speaker 6: Us up to the chairs. If you had an assignment juke.
Speaker 6: It was juke like you would lose points every day.
Speaker 6: It wasn't du because it taught you like discipline and
Speaker 6: structure and that you know, you can't just run your
Speaker 6: own race.
Speaker 1: No, but also it's our fault. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: blame a six year old for that. It is our
Speaker 1: fault that it hasn't been submitted. But also we were
Speaker 1: away for your wedding. That's my fault, it's your fault,
Speaker 1: your wedding, and so she was overseas and that's why
Speaker 1: it got delayed. But she's just when it comes to homework.
Speaker 1: She's really smart, she's doing so well, but she is
Speaker 1: not motivated to get the homework side.
Speaker 4: Of things done.
Speaker 1: I remember being in kindergarten and going to my first
Speaker 1: interview with our school principal and.
Speaker 4: He had this big wooden desk.
Speaker 1: I don't think he ever used it, but he just
Speaker 1: had a cane on display, like in a holder on.
Speaker 6: His desk to subtle flex just I don't have to
Speaker 6: use it, but you know it's there and I don't
Speaker 6: have to say anything about it.
Speaker 4: School has definitely changed and it's definitely not a bad thing.
Speaker 6: All right, Well, everyone put your books out for Marley May.
Speaker 1: Now recently we traveled over to Bali for your wedding.
Speaker 1: We did, we did, and wonderful it really was.
Speaker 3: Do you know what was in a highlight though, Matt
Speaker 3: trying to out my wedding before I had it.
Speaker 4: That was away a light for you.
Speaker 1: While speaking of my husband, No, the hardest part of
Speaker 1: traveling international when you have kids is the travel part, right,
Speaker 1: It's the booking the flights, it's getting them to the airport.
Speaker 1: But one thing that I think we don't consider enough
Speaker 1: is the seat orientation, Like what is the best seat
Speaker 1: selection when you were either traveling as a solo parent
Speaker 1: with your kids and like Matt had to come over
Speaker 1: by himself. So my husband, Matt, he flew over with
Speaker 1: our two girls. Yeah, completely solo. He put up on
Speaker 1: his Instagram that he was tempted to try a new
Speaker 1: seating arrangement.
Speaker 4: Now, keep in mind, we've got a five year old
Speaker 4: and a four year old.
Speaker 1: They're still really young and they're at an age where
Speaker 1: they need to be supervised on a flight.
Speaker 4: But what Matt wanted.
Speaker 1: To book and what he ended up booking, was the
Speaker 1: girls sitting completely by themselves on the window seat and
Speaker 1: him sitting completely by himself on the aisle seat.
Speaker 4: Now I thought that this sounded like absolute madness.
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you're traveling with kids, and I've done
Speaker 1: a few international flights with our kids by myself, and
Speaker 1: I've always sat next to them in the middle, like
Speaker 1: contain them, sit between them and they're fighting, you can
Speaker 1: pass out the snacks like you're there and you're ready
Speaker 1: to supervise.
Speaker 6: Why would you have not sat with them? Was only
Speaker 6: two seats in the aisle, not three?
Speaker 4: I don't know none of those options for three as well.
Speaker 4: You could have sat it could have sat in the
Speaker 4: middle of the kids.
Speaker 1: Now, we had a bit of a debate about this,
Speaker 1: and I have him on the line because I'm still
Speaker 1: confused as to how he thought or maybe still thinks
Speaker 1: that this is the way to go and that this
Speaker 1: is what parents should be doing for the.
Speaker 4: Solution of how to travel with kids.
Speaker 6: All right, how long? Jerry Springer mat Hello, my darling.
Speaker 2: Hello lady? How are we.
Speaker 1: Were very well, probably better than you after flying Soli
Speaker 1: by yourself.
Speaker 4: What was your reasoning behind this?
Speaker 2: Firstly, well, I like to think of this trip as
Speaker 2: a scientific experiment. I'm trying to make breakthroughs to the
Speaker 2: industry of parenting. It's a selfless act for me.
Speaker 1: What I do want to say, though, is I was
Speaker 1: shocked by how many people on your socials were saying
Speaker 1: that it was a good idea, that they tried this,
Speaker 1: and they actually thought it was.
Speaker 4: But it was the secret source.
Speaker 6: You could have all sat together, though that's the question.
Speaker 2: Yes, very good question, Brutin. I'm glad you asked it.
Speaker 2: I thought what I was trying to achieve here is
Speaker 2: the fact that we have two kids, Miley and Lala.
Speaker 2: They are now four and five, for reference, old enough
Speaker 2: to talk after themselves, all right, and so I, yes, old.
Speaker 4: Enough to look after themselves.
Speaker 2: Four their self contained. And I just thought it would
Speaker 2: be nice on a six and a half hour flight
Speaker 2: by myself as a solo parent. May I add, Laura,
Speaker 2: I hope you're enjoying your mocktails by the pool. I
Speaker 2: just it it'd be nice to have some reprieve from
Speaker 2: the kids. Like I can watch my movie, they can
Speaker 2: watch their movie. They're happy, I'm happy, everybody has a
Speaker 2: great time.
Speaker 3: I do have a question here, then, So I know
Speaker 3: that Laura was enjoying her cocktail mockshow mockow she's pregnant.
Speaker 3: But what about how just a couple of months ago
Speaker 3: she traveled twenty seven hours alone with the kids to
Speaker 3: South Africa while you'd been away in the jungle for
Speaker 3: a month.
Speaker 2: You know what, we made that trip a lot better
Speaker 2: if she had separated herself from the children.
Speaker 1: I think, Look, maybe you're onto something. I feel like
Speaker 1: this is genius for the parent and terrible for everyone
Speaker 1: who's sitting around. The children want it that way.
Speaker 4: Did it work?
Speaker 2: Look, I'll be honest, it didn't work as well as
Speaker 2: I thought it would have because the kids didn't sleep.
Speaker 2: If they would have slept, it would have been a
Speaker 2: lot better. But I just think it's really important to
Speaker 2: say that at the first hurdle you shouldn't give up. Like,
Speaker 2: for example, Oppenheimer, right, he was trying to make a
Speaker 2: nuclear bomb. If he'd given up after the first mistake,
Speaker 2: we never would have had it. Driving the barriers are
Speaker 2: parenting to make sure that we have these breakthrough it
Speaker 2: will work. It didn't work on this trip, but it's
Speaker 2: important for me not to give up.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of pushing the boundaries and pushing the hurdles.
Speaker 1: On the flat home, which Matt also booked, he booked
Speaker 1: three seats together and one of them solo.
Speaker 4: And let's all have a guess which parents sat solo.
Speaker 6: Not a shock, Matt, Thank you for l heroes where Cape, thank.
Speaker 2: You for do you can't just wrap me up?
Speaker 6: I just did well, Laura.
Speaker 3: It is that time of year again where Australia has
Speaker 3: the version of the Oscars. It is Gold Logi nomination time.
Speaker 3: The nominations have come out and do you know what,
Speaker 3: the women are absolutely cleaning up.
Speaker 6: There's only one bloke.
Speaker 4: I think Hamish Blake is not surprising.
Speaker 6: I know, I mean he's going to be literally dying.
Speaker 1: There's going to be one male who makes it into
Speaker 1: the Logi nomination who direct.
Speaker 4: It's going to be Hamish Blake.
Speaker 3: But there's so many incredible women that have been nominated,
Speaker 3: but one I'm very excited about TV Legend, TV veteran.
Speaker 6: I was in the jungle with her.
Speaker 3: She has hosted I'm a Celebrity to Get Me out
Speaker 3: of Here eleven times. She has been nominated for a
Speaker 3: Gold Logi four times.
Speaker 6: And for some reason, is yet to win. We're going
Speaker 6: to try and change that. Julia Morris, Welcome.
Speaker 4: To the show.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 5: I couldn't be more thrilled to be here with you,
Speaker 5: glorious humans.
Speaker 6: Julia.
Speaker 1: We are hard on the campaign trail for you this year.
Speaker 1: We are so behind you. I thought you were a
Speaker 1: shoeing last year that this year. It is twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: it is the year of Julia Morris.
Speaker 5: Surely it's the year of the old male. Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Everyone's saying, what's the campaigning going to be? Like, I'm like,
Speaker 5: I can barely like feed compass for the pick up
Speaker 5: and drop off. I do not know that I'm up campaigning.
Speaker 5: You feel like a knucklehead campaigning. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: a friend of mine and I just as a coincidentally,
Speaker 5: we're sort of whinging about how can we don't you know?
Speaker 5: I was whinging she's not in television. I was like, hey,
Speaker 5: com I keep sort of missing out on bits and pieces.
Speaker 5: I know, I am hosting one of the biggest shows
Speaker 5: in the country, so it seems a bit disingenuous. But
Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, looking for like, what's the next
Speaker 5: thing going to be? How do I broaden out, you know,
Speaker 5: just to earn money to pay the org? Yeah, I
Speaker 5: mean we all know. As a matter of time, everybody
Speaker 5: loves the sound of slapping. When I released the Double d's,
Speaker 5: it sounds like you're ad oc cob affairs, And that's
Speaker 5: another story altogether. I have been like a complete maniac.
Speaker 5: So the thought of now going into some weird self
Speaker 5: promotion thing, my maid and I I said to her, right,
Speaker 5: let's make a chat show in the backyard. I feel
Speaker 5: my backyards the epick, let's make a chat show. The
Speaker 5: first episode it's literally it's mostly out of the back
Speaker 5: of our heads. Oh my god, it's so funny. It
Speaker 5: just accidentally turned into a little mini internet sitcom and
Speaker 5: it's just a couple of people who have no idea
Speaker 5: what they're doing, and it's beyond hilarious. We've haven't been
Speaker 5: doing parkour Do you.
Speaker 6: Talk in my language?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 6: I do sporadic park or two? Julia?
Speaker 4: Sorry, do we think that this is going to shift
Speaker 4: the dial on the votes? Are you just having a
Speaker 4: good time in between? Like what, we've got to get the.
Speaker 5: Votes as weidental? Well, the thing is, I thought, well,
Speaker 5: what will end up happening is if my audience that
Speaker 5: followed me on all my bits and pieces are chill
Speaker 5: with me, not ramming the logos down their throats. And
Speaker 5: so I'm hoping just the fact that I have put
Speaker 5: some effort into making something while a massive life is
Speaker 5: swirling around us all at all times.
Speaker 1: Do you reckon it's going to be the biggest competition
Speaker 1: this year? I mean, do you look at that and
Speaker 1: figure sit there going, oh, they did this and they'd.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely deep down because you're like, you know,
Speaker 5: you would love to take it. I would love to
Speaker 5: be in history as one of those names. It is
Speaker 5: a tremendous honor. I was talking to someone recently who
Speaker 5: was in House Husbands with me, one of the ladies,
Speaker 5: and we're saying, did you think we'd still be hustling
Speaker 5: at this age?
Speaker 4: It doesn't.
Speaker 5: He's like no, seeing as of other industries have moved
Speaker 5: on to either be CEO or CFO or special you
Speaker 5: know whatever FO and so, you know, but in the
Speaker 5: entertainment industry, everybody hustling. We're still hustling.
Speaker 6: Do you know what I think. I think you've got
Speaker 6: a I think you've got a little secret.
Speaker 3: Weapon right at your disposal. We've seen Robert Irwin take
Speaker 3: his shirt off with seeing him.
Speaker 6: Everyone loves him. He's your partner in crime. Get him
Speaker 6: amongst it, Like, I don't think it's I.
Speaker 3: Think ed borrow and plead, and if that means stealing
Speaker 3: your shirt to get him on your campaign trail again,
Speaker 3: I think you've got to do it.
Speaker 5: I had to start processing at the beginning of his
Speaker 5: sentence because I was just like, oh, do I need
Speaker 5: to get out of the Andies hang on ed the snake.
Speaker 5: I thought I'd seen enough snake, so I've got no
Speaker 5: business with them. And yeah, maybe I'm in the Andies
Speaker 5: in the front yard on the astro tour.
Speaker 4: You could do it together. We don't discriminate.
Speaker 5: You guys are having a very parallel experience at the
Speaker 5: moment because he's about to start shooting Dancing with the
Speaker 5: Stars in the US.
Speaker 6: And actually Sonya, Sonya's up for a LOGI as well.
Speaker 4: It's you're up against absolutely.
Speaker 5: That was the other great pleasure about it yesterday. And
Speaker 5: when you're saying like you do, do you eye up
Speaker 5: the competition? I mean we're all laughy you what six
Speaker 5: women nominated? One man takes its stop that also, HAMI like,
Speaker 5: please please nobody vote for me, And I was like, mate,
Speaker 5: you know, get your game on. None of us want
Speaker 5: to handed it to us. And let me tell you,
Speaker 5: every single person on that stage, if they talk it
Speaker 5: you go worthy winner though, Yeah, worthy winner.
Speaker 1: Yes, Julia, we are and so so have your back
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 4: We can't wait to see you up there on stage.
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness. Well, let me tell you the speech
Speaker 5: would be unbridled because I've got a feeling the vibe
Speaker 5: as would have worn off like hours before, so I
Speaker 5: would be and so the h I gets very scared
Speaker 5: of you know, around that five to eleven at night,
Speaker 5: you're like, oh, that's Mummy's witching hour.
Speaker 6: That and that's when you're that's when you're well around
Speaker 6: There is to vote just for that to see it,
Speaker 6: I'll be like, level, yeah, I've even told my haters,
Speaker 6: am I.
Speaker 5: From what I've observed with the Gold Logi, you sort
Speaker 5: of then down disappeared not long after that. So you're like, well,
Speaker 5: his thing. If you hate me, you can make me
Speaker 5: go away by giving me this goal LOGI.
Speaker 4: There's both sides. You can vote. Now, go and vote
Speaker 4: for Julia Morris to.
Speaker 1: Win the Gold Logi at the TV week logos. Everyone,
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Speaker 4: Dot at you.
Speaker 1: I was something the other day now, and I say
Speaker 1: this because my Instagram social media algorithm is one one
Speaker 1: hundred percent pregnancy and baby related.
Speaker 3: At the moment, I thought even they served something like
Speaker 3: you had a restaurant, like someone served divorce papers.
Speaker 1: Actually I did not get served divorce papers, but it
Speaker 1: is what we're talking about.
Speaker 4: It's a new theory.
Speaker 1: And there was an article around it, and it's called
Speaker 1: second child divorce syndrome. Now it's all around when as
Speaker 1: a couple you go from having one kids to two
Speaker 1: kids and the additional stress that that puts on your
Speaker 1: relationship with your partner. I mean, when I reflect back
Speaker 1: on when we brought Lola into the world, and yes
Speaker 1: it was COVID and she was like we had our
Speaker 1: kids really close together, I was so deeply unprepared for
Speaker 1: how much going from one to two that transition was
Speaker 1: going to be so so hard for me. And I
Speaker 1: think because Matt and I had already had one kid,
Speaker 1: and having Marley, she was.
Speaker 6: She was an easy child.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what I realized now is that we had like
Speaker 4: a unicorn baby.
Speaker 1: She slept well, she ate well, she was a relatively
Speaker 1: easy baby, and it made us feel so cocky and
Speaker 1: secure that we were like.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, we've got this thing down, cake, Let's
Speaker 4: have a second one. And so we had Lola really
Speaker 4: shortly afterwards.
Speaker 1: They're only about nineteen twenty months apart, and going from
Speaker 1: one to two was by far the hardest transition that
Speaker 1: I've ever made in my adult life in any way
Speaker 1: and any capacity. I mean, when I think about work
Speaker 1: transitions or starting new jobs, or starting new relationships or
Speaker 1: going through breakups. One to two kids absolutely knocked me sideways.
Speaker 1: And it was trying to juggle two babies at two
Speaker 1: different schedules.
Speaker 4: It was the sleep.
Speaker 1: It's also the pressure it puts in your relationship because
Speaker 1: you no longer have time for the relationship and the
Speaker 1: same capacity that you did earlier.
Speaker 3: And on top of that, Lola wasn't necessarily the easiest baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was a really tricky baby and didn't sleep
Speaker 1: well and there was a lot of crying, and I
Speaker 1: felt constantly touched out and exhausted because she would only
Speaker 1: sleep on me, so I had to have her in
Speaker 1: a carrier, sitting up in bed with two pillows prop
Speaker 1: behind me. And that's how I slept for six weeks,
Speaker 1: just sitting upright in my bed. And whenever I have
Speaker 1: friends who we're talking about having kids or they're in
Speaker 1: that sort of like the absolute trenches of the early
Speaker 1: years of parenting, I always say, don't make any decisions
Speaker 1: about your relationship when you're in those trenches, because something
Speaker 1: that feels completely permanent, like little being in that phase
Speaker 1: of little kids, when it's all consuming and how hard
Speaker 1: it can be on your relationship. Sometimes people make very
Speaker 1: permanent decisions around a time that is not permanent. And
Speaker 1: I say that because now that our kids are five
Speaker 1: years and four years, I kind of feel like I
Speaker 1: finally have a handle on it and it's so much easier,
Speaker 1: and Matt and I have so much more time for
Speaker 1: each other and where.
Speaker 6: You decide to have a third one, I we're in
Speaker 6: such a better space.
Speaker 1: But I think because now I understand how short lived
Speaker 1: that time is, that absolute pressure cooker of having little kids,
Speaker 1: is that it makes me feel a little bit better
Speaker 1: about the fact that, like we're all on the same page,
Speaker 1: all right, eighteen months, it's going to be really really hard,
Speaker 1: and then we're going to slowly come out and like
Speaker 1: come up for air again, and we're just kind of
Speaker 1: I think we're a little bit more prepared for the
Speaker 1: impact it's going to have this time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, rather than taking it and thinking, oh, it's doomsday.
Speaker 6: But what's the theory.
Speaker 1: Well, the theory is around how a lot of relationships
Speaker 1: break down in that period of going from one to
Speaker 1: two kids and how it has like some people feel
Speaker 1: as though it has this irreparable effect on their relationship
Speaker 1: that they can't get over.
Speaker 3: To be fair, I mean, I remember talking to my
Speaker 3: parents about this. My mum and dad had been married
Speaker 3: nearly fifty years and they've had four kids, and we're
Speaker 3: all really close.
Speaker 6: I remember them saying the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, you feel like you're never going to get
Speaker 3: out of it, and you feel like you're never going
Speaker 3: to be able to afford things again, you're never going
Speaker 3: to have time for each other again, you never whatever,
Speaker 3: you're never going to sleep properly again. And all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, the light lifts and then you're like, oh, Okay,
Speaker 3: the best years of my life were actually going to
Speaker 3: come after this because we stuck it through together and
Speaker 3: didn't make those decisions when you're in the depths of despair.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think that maybe there's a bit of a misconception.
Speaker 1: And I know everyone's parenting experience is different, but I
Speaker 1: do think that there's a bit of a misconception that're
Speaker 1: going from nothing to one is the hardest transition, because
Speaker 1: you go from not knowing what it's like to having
Speaker 1: kids to having a baby that you've got to care for.
Speaker 1: But I think for a lot of people that's actually
Speaker 1: the going from one kid to two kids. That's the
Speaker 1: hardest transition because you think you're prepared, you think you
Speaker 1: have it down pat and actually it really I mean
Speaker 1: at least for us, and if anyone else has experienced it,
Speaker 1: it completely knocked us sideways. And so I do feel
Speaker 1: as though I'm going into number three a little bit
Speaker 1: more realistic.
Speaker 4: So do you think about how hard it's going to be?
Speaker 6: Would you think number three is going to be easier
Speaker 6: because you like, do you think it's the opposite, Like
Speaker 6: two's harder than trees? Easier because the kid's older, You've
Speaker 6: done it, you know it inside out.
Speaker 4: I Am not going to allow myself to lull myself
Speaker 4: into the false like I'm not having any defenses, Laura,
Speaker 4: I will not have the security so I have.
Speaker 1: I've if anything, I think I've over prepared myself for
Speaker 1: how hard it's going to be. That I'm hoping I'll
Speaker 1: be pleasantly surprised or at least it will meet my expectations.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 6: Have the bar so long on the ground. There's only
Speaker 6: one way.
Speaker 4: So we make it sound terrible. Being a mom is amazing,
Speaker 4: It really is. That's why we all go back and
Speaker 4: do it again.
Speaker 6: All right, let's get out of here. That is asked
Speaker 6: Don and Dust