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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the.

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Speaker 2: Time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 3: Now, when you pick those kids up from school, just

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Speaker 3: wrap them in your arms and go and have some

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Speaker 3: fun together. There's so much built up energy around the

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Speaker 3: anxiety that they've felt about day one, and even if

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Speaker 3: they've had a great day, just spend time enjoying one another.

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Speaker 2: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom

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Speaker 1: Hello, this is Dr Justin Colson. Feeling a bit lonely.

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Speaker 1: If I have to make a confession, we are doing

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Speaker 1: something brand new on the podcast. Kylie doesn't live with

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Speaker 1: me anymore, at least at the moment. Kylie is living

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Speaker 1: life on the coast in a unit that we've short

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Speaker 1: term rented what we sell our house and moved there. Kylie, A,

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Speaker 1: you are enjoying the beach every morning.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just looking at my image in the camera

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Speaker 2: there and I'm looking up at sun sozed.

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Speaker 1: You look like you're on holidays and here I am

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Speaker 1: is sweating it out in Brisbane's humidity, moving our house,

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Speaker 1: packing boxes, loading furniture, remove all containers. I'm living life

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Speaker 1: hard right now. But we need to talk about not

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Speaker 1: our move, although some more of that will come out

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Speaker 1: on Friday when we talk about I'll do better tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But our kids are all starting a brand new school

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Speaker 1: because we've moved more than one hundred k's from home.

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Speaker 1: We're literally having a fresh start by the coast. And

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Speaker 1: there's not just our kids starting a brand new school today,

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Speaker 1: but there are kids right around the nation who have

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Speaker 1: either just started or are just about to start a

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Speaker 1: brand new year at school, in many cases a brand

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Speaker 1: new school. There's first day fears everywhere. We're feeling it

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Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of other people feeling it as well.

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Speaker 1: So if you have children who are a little nervous,

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Speaker 1: we've got some ideas that we think are going to

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Speaker 1: be helpful. In the first half of our podcast today,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about just some of the basics

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Speaker 1: most of us know this. If we pause, listen to

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Speaker 1: our intuition, we can figure this stuff out. And Kylie

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Speaker 1: is probably going to leave the majority of that, But

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Speaker 1: after the break, we're also going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: very real issues around anxiety related to rats, COVID anxiety,

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Speaker 1: non typical developing kids, neurodiverse kids, and also younger kids

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Speaker 1: year olds, a three year olds who are kind of

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Speaker 1: going but I don't want to leave you. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about all of that in a very short

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Speaker 1: period today. Facing first day fears, Kylie, what have you

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Speaker 1: done while you've been on the coast with the kids

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Speaker 1: for the last few days getting them ready for school

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Speaker 2: So a couple of things. This obviously is not the

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Speaker 2: kid's first start. We've actually, unfortunately done a few first

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make it any easier though.

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Speaker 2: It definitely doesn't, but I think that we've learned a

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Speaker 2: this time round. The first thing that has been really

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Speaker 2: acknowledging that you can actually have two emotions. You can

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Speaker 2: Has something inversations around that.

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Speaker 1: This is something that you do, really really well, Kylie,

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Speaker 1: and I love the way you do it. You sort

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Speaker 1: And so what you're doing is, like you said, you're

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Speaker 3: It's the Happy Families Podcast, the podcast for the time

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Speaker 3: poor parent who just wants answers now, and today we're

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Speaker 1: And if you think that Kylie is sounding a bit weird,

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Speaker 1: our big move Kylie. There's been a lot of people

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Speaker 1: Yeah, preschool KINDI whatever it is that you call it,

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Speaker 1: along the beach Missus Coulson, some people get to be

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Speaker 2: I don't actually think it gets easier. Each child I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. So let's just do a quick

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Speaker 1: You know, you're a child, though, and sometimes it is

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Speaker 1: better to stay. It's just something that you're going to

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