WEBVTT - Osher Günsberg - THE BACHELORS - Presenter 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:03.760 TV Reload the podcast past week that. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.520 Might welcome back guys to TV Reload. As you may know, 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:09.280 my name is Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.680 to get all the insight gos on the popular TV 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:15.120 shows that you may be watching from around the world. Undeniably, 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:17.239 our TV sets are still a major part of our 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.040 home entertainment, and yet very little is known about how 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.919 our favorite shows get made. So each episode I've been 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.240 finding the guests that want to dive just that little 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.680 bit deeper into the shows that they're currently making so 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.880 that you can hear all their exclusive stories and gain 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.760 access to the biggest names in Australian television. I want 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.320 to thank you for downloading or subscribing to this podcast 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:38.960 however you found me. I love hearing your feedback, so 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:41.200 if you can, please make sure you leave a review 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:45.199 or a comment on your chosen podcast platform. On today's podcast, 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.960 I have Osher Ginsburg who has been on Austraining TV 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.120 for twenty five years. He has hosted twenty three seasons 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.400 of The Bachelor, from the Bachelorette to The Bachelor's in Paradise. 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.040 This second version of the Bachelor's that is a lot 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.960 of single people. Osha can boast this show has had 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.160 a lot of successful marriages and plenty of babies which 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.560 have all come out of these new relationships we have 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.800 discovered on television. Pretty impressive when you think of the 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.800 fact that his people met on reality television. Osha did 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.039 shock Network ten publicity when we caught up today with 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.000 a Shock makeover, and I'm pretty sure it's okay to 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.880 leave in their reactions to that because it was pretty organic. 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.840 Before we get started talking about his later series, launching 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.840 on Sunday night at seven thirty of The Bachelor's The 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.600 new series is really fun. I've actually seen the first 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.200 episode and I can tell you that what might not 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.880 have worked with the three Bachelors earlier in the year, 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:42.800 this season is really exciting, looks expensive, looks classy, but 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:43.680 above all. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.400 It feels really romantic. 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.360 We will talk about why this series looks and feels 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.400 different and how the producers went above and beyond to 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.560 make this the most romantic season of The Bachelor We've 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.600 ever seen. I'll ask about the pressure of being a 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.320 TV host here in Australia and if men have the 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.520 same pressures as female hosts. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.120 We will talk about the. 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.640 Editing and how by the click of a finger they 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:10.280 can change the way that the audience relates to these participants. 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:13.200 Plus we will get plenty of exclusives from behind the 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.119 scenes of The Bachelor's which, as I mentioned, is out 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.600 on Sunday night at seven thirty on Network ten and 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.040 you'll be able to catch up on ten play if 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.079 you fall just that little bit behind. Anyway, let's bring 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.560 Osher into the podcast and guys, I do really hope 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.760 you enjoy this catch up with Australia's longer standing male 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:33.720 reality TV host with his new hair, which you can't 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:35.400 see because this is a podcast. 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.040 But anyway, let's bring Osher in. 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:43.240 Hey, I'm going to tees. Are you there? Put yourself 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:44.080 for a conference seck. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.200 I'm just gonna have to say I'm sorry in advance 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.480 because you might be dealing with some shit today. 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:53.040 Okay, oh wow, Okay. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.440 I love this for you, so do I I'm excited 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:57.200 for a new chapter. 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.480 I can't believe we just did a whole radio tet 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.680 and I had no idea who I was talking to. 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.760 It looks good, Thanks man, I appreciate it. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:05.200 Well. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.639 I saw you two days ago. 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.440 Really should you look about fifteen years younger? 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:12.560 This is wow. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.480 Look I've got the all clear from a document Sorry 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.679 for people who are listening, like, I have literally got 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.079 the same haircut as I did when I was five. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.239 It is I think it's like maybe. 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.880 A two blade, maybe a two it's maybe it's zero 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:31.480 in the back and it's all blonde. And yeah, I 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.160 sliced about six months of growth off last night because 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:36.800 I've got the all clear from a documentary that I've 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.160 been shooting because I was a bit you know, we 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:40.440 were just wanted to make sure we didn't have to 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.360 do any pickup shots. And I call Lash, my executive producer. 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.200 He goes, no, we're good, You'll be fine. We won't 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.560 have to do anymore. Like great, because for continuity purposes 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.400 I've had to have the same haircut for the last 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:51.960 five weeks. 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:53.160 So yeah, it looks. 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:57.640 It looks amazing. Thank you. If you cut fifteen years off, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.040 I mean you look twenty to begin with. 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.920 So wow, Well I kind of forgot. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:04.360 I knew I had my haircut, but I kind of 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.080 forgot that I was going on television today. 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.960 Uh so look that'll be interesting, Tess. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.360 Definitely. Well, I'm going to put myself on new I'm 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:13.200 going to turn off my video. 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:14.440 I'm going to collect myself. 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:15.040 You do that. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.359 I'm going to ask about this in the podcast to 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.000 be fair, Like, I think we need to talk about 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.640 image and brand and what it's like to be a 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.839 TV presenter and getting approval. 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:25.880 I think that's all really quite fascinating. 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:27.600 And now, look, I love what you've done with the 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.000 green screen background. Ben. 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.640 Actually it's got that kind of it's got that rental 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.800 crisis kitchen vibe about it, which I really I really 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.400 like you're a man of the people obviously. 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.560 I mean I spoke to I was at my studio, 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.520 so I had the full set where today you're in 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.159 Bendigo and my mother in law's kitchen. Yes, and you 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.640 know we're able to do this because you know, once 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.440 COVID happened, we realized we could all work remotely. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:51.040 Mate. 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.719 I paid for fiber to come into my house. I 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:55.760 bought all of the good shit off eBay, and everyone's like. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:57.760 I can't get an lights. I'm like, dude, did you 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:58.640 not read the news? 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.520 If you need light or toilet paper or rat tests, 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.880 I'm your man because I read the same artica you did. 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.120 Six weeks ago. But then I went on eBay and 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.520 you just carried on when your day and now I'm 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:09.640 fine and you're panicking. 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:11.080 It's mental. It's mental. 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.640 Well, welcome back to another series of The Bachelors. It 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.520 feels like this year they worked out from the last 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.480 season we were talking about in January how to really 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.240 level up and make this format really work. I mean, 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.080 it was ambitious to have three bachelors when we saw 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:27.080 it in January, and. 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.200 It was interesting to watch. 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:33.080 But this launch episode is the best launch episode of 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:34.320 the franchise of twelve. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.880 Have you seen it? I've watched it twice, my friend. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.960 It is really it's so different, though, did you feel, like, 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.200 you know, when you turned up this time around, considering 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.200 that you've got two seasons of the Bachelor's at in 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.760 one year, did it feel very different to what it 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.679 was like being in the GC. Oh? 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.440 Yeah, absolutely, because like any I mean, I don't know. 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.599 I think this is the twenty third edition of the 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:59.960 Bachelor version of the franchise that we've done between Batchet, 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.960 Bachelorette and Bachelor and Batch in Paradise, and like any relationship, 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:06.600 you've got to keep things fresh, you know, you've got 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.960 to you've got to make sure that you keep people interested. 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:11.440 You've got to make sure that there's enough of what 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.400 people first came for that that's there. 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.240 But also as people's. 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:18.279 Tastes change and the environment that you're existing in the 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.440 market changes, you need to make sure that you keep 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:25.240 up with that. And this particular season when in reality 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.440 television or nonscripted television, but anything that you're creating, you 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.840 can there's a few dials you can turn, all right, 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:32.839 you can, you know, if you're making a film, you 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.760 can have more fight scenes, more car chases, less explosions, 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.479 more romance, you know whatever. So with ours, and you'll 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.239 see it in other dating formats. You can have more drama, 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.400 less drama, you're going to have more people not being 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.760 very nice to each other. You can have more intimacy 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.880 things you might have to go to a later time slot. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.120 You can have make it. 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.120 Funnier and on this season, and we've done you know, 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.640 some of those. This season we have just gone romance 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.919 because it's all there, all right. We could click a 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.280 finger of an Adobe premiere, you know that US premiere. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.000 They probably use something really good like. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:06.680 Abbot or something. 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.320 But we could click a finger on an edit sweet 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:14.200 and change the show. But the romance really plays in 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.960 this one. And I don't know about you, but I've 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:21.480 worked in nonscripted television twenty something years now, and I 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.760 thought my heart had hardened to just this impenetrable shield 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:31.320 of obsidian that no possible human emotion could penetrate. Yeah, 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.960 when I watch particularly, I know we won't spoil anything, 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:38.720 but there's a deliciously adorable, quite dorky meat cute in 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.720 the first episode, you know, the one I'm talking about. 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.000 And I watch it, I just go oh, and I'm like, oh, 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:45.800 there's so much terrible shit. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:46.760 Going on in my life. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:48.400 When I wrote open my Phone, it's. 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.480 Just like, well, death, famine, hate way, climate change, sea 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.600 level fuck, jamming. And then I see these people meet 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:56.520 each other and just have these twinkles in their eyes. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.800 Oh, that's so nice, and I have an emotional response 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.600 to it, and it's so lovely that I get something 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.920 out of two other people having a nice time. And 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:06.960 so we've dialed that up a bit on this season, 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.440 which is really lovely, but. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.520 It also feels quite expensive in the sense that, like 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.240 when we were on the GC, it was like the 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:13.320 girls were drinking out. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:14.920 Of plastic cups like you would if. 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.280 We were pull side. It was oh and X come now. 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.480 But this time it's crystal and the girls are wearing 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.920 dresses that you'd see the Kadashians wear to like the 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.400 met Gala, So like it does feel very expensive. 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.640 But the thing we have a word for it ben Yeah, money, 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:29.720 money on screen. 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.640 That's what they call it. Money on screen. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:38.520 And it was most definitely a deliberate editorial choice. There's 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.520 things that we can again, there's levers we can pull 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.560 to change the feel of the show, and that can 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.400 even go to the choice of lenses, because that will 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.680 dictate how close or far away you are from people, 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.960 and the closer you are in proximity, the more where 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.720 they are of your presence, and the more their behavior 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.400 may be affected. If you're right in their face or 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.480 if you're in a nice long lens far away. You know, 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.040 they know that there's cameras, but they don't know who 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.679 they're really shooting at the time. And most definitely, I mean, 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.960 we are very very lucky to have the exquisite Matt 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.360 Ramanus as our dop director of photography, and he just 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.280 took the brief that and Spence. Our ep is amazing. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.440 She is a fucking genius mate. She is one of 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.120 the geniuses of Australian television. She is so fucking good. 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:34.520 Her and deanter Genie, they were able to describe their 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:36.480 vision because it's one thing to have a vision, but 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.480 it's another thing to then say to an art department 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.040 or a lighting crew or an audio department, here's how 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.200 we want it to look. All right, So you're going 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:47.439 to have to figure out how an orchestra can happen 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.720 at the same time as people having conversations, because we 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.720 don't want to stop the orchestra, but you're going to 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.320 have to figure out how we can edit around that 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.840 with the audio and the background changing and they go okay, 0:09:58.040 --> 0:09:59.920 and all these things lead us to have a very 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:04.360 organic kind of flowing moment. You know, it's very A 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.280 lot of work goes into allowing those things to happen, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.880 because what is essentially the job that we do is 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:15.560 we capture authentic human responses to emotional situations, and you 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:16.600 only get a chance to. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:17.199 Do that once. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:22.880 So if, for example, season two, we started shooting at 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:27.120 a beautiful Harveside mansion in Hunters Hill, which was directly 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:32.760 under the landing path of both Sydney runways at the airport, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.320 which is about four kilometers down wind. So on a 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.559 Friday night or an evening Saturday or Saturday night, mostly 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:40.680 a Friday night, we would have to shoot the show 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.520 in forty five second chunks between seven three, seven, eight 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:44.440 hundreds flying across my. 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.360 Wait, don't don't, don't tell, don't break her heart just yet? 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.160 Wait and okay, Sam week good goes, samp go like 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.080 very hard to have an authentic response. 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:53.280 Actually it was Blake that one. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:53.600 That one. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.480 For sure, that sort of technical difficulty can happen. But 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.440 as you mentioned Spence before, I know her very well. 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.160 She is brilliant. And I was there while you're filming 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.120 this series and having a chat with her about it. 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.000 And where did you come to? Did you come to 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:06.760 the Brighton place? 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:08.320 I was at the Brighton one. Yeah. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.040 Remember I told you the awkward story about the first 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.440 time I interviewed you on national radio. Oh yeah, And 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.960 the producer said to me, I used to work with 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.200 Osha and put a question in the rundown and I 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.480 asked you the question, which was asking you about your 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.760 partner who you'd separated from. My research, I would have known. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.600 And you said to me when we're on the set 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.479 of this season of The Bachelor's you said. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.240 I bet you you've never done that again. 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.800 I bet you you've never read because you only need 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.839 to do it once, right, I do it once, and 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.760 you will never read a producer's question without doing that 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:42.680 research yourself. 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:47.360 It happened to me once, and I happened to me 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.319 while I was interviewing Keith Urban. And because I am 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.480 so fucking busy, I don't have time to write my 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.800 own prep When someone hand me a sheet, I was 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:58.920 real at my own ass, so it was still drinking, 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:03.000 and I handed the sit and asked this question and 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:04.240 he was. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.679 Like, oh, that's not me, mate, And then oh fuck me. 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.600 It's like one of the greatest greatest musicians our country's 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.959 ever produced, one of the greatest country artists of all time. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.520 I've fucking put my foot in it, and never, never, 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.000 ever again. I still get other people to help me 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.040 with my research and my prefers. I don't have enough 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:23.520 time to do it. 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.360 All, but I always, always, always go over it and 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.560 double check it. I don't just like read it live 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.000 to air, because that is a dangerous game. 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.000 I felt the same way, mate, because I was like, 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:37.440 you're the longest standing male presenter in reality, like as in, 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.640 you've done more reality in the last twenty years, which 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.600 I have loved, idolized, and I felt like I should 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.080 have known better. And it's literally like walking up to 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:51.800 someone that you want a validation from and then shitting 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:53.320 on them, do you know what I mean? Like, and 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.320 you're like, and you can see it in the face 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:56.439 as it goes anywhere. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:01.240 Anyway, I think I think it's I keep myself through 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:05.680 a very high standard, all right. And I because of 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:07.520 the standard that I keep myself. 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.720 Too, I have you know, I am. 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:15.440 Employable, I am reliable, I am professional, and people go, yep, 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:16.360 we can get that guy. 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.400 And I want other people to have that too. 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:19.680 And if I kept me. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.840 To a standard, and I actually think that there's something 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.600 really powerful in that. But you know what, Asha, You've 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:28.800 always been really good at, you know, active listening, and 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.280 that's what makes really good conversation. And you can see 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.480 it in this season of the Bachelor's the way you're 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.920 interacting with the bachelors and with the women. 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:38.439 Oh, you've got a hard. 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.200 Job to come across on a show like this that 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.880 could be quite camp and look authentic and look honest 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:47.199 and like you're still managing to do this well, like. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:49.480 It's twenty three or twenty four. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.800 I think it's twenty three. I'm pretty sure it's twenty. 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.040 Do I have to get test can rapidly test. If 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.960 you can rapidly find the numbers, i'd appreciate that, But 0:13:58.000 --> 0:13:59.640 you're gonna have you're gonna have to count back to 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:04.520 that chair and batch and paradise and the amount of episodes. 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:06.720 No, not in the episodes, but seasons at least. I 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:10.079 think it's twenty three. It's a huge amount of things. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:10.880 But I guess you know. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.920 I think the greatest problem, the greatest mistake you can 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:24.360 make in this kind of TV, is to dehumanize your participant. Yeah, 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:29.240 because once you do that, then a you put the 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.960 integrity of the show at risk, You put their emotional 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.080 response at risk, You put. 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:34.520 Them at risk. 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.880 If you can treat them with respect and on face 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.680 values like you're here to fall in love or cook 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:44.040 great recipe or whatever, build a house, whatever it is, 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:48.000 and treat you know, and honestly meet them at that place, 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.400 you're going to get better, better stuff on camera. 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.040 Then you'll ever get otherwise by setting them up. 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:54.880 But you're valuing your product in a way. 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.760 I mean I had a conversation with an executive producer 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.880 years ago and you know, won a series of Big 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.720 eleven years ago, and they wanted me to come back 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.120 and be in the audience for a finale for one 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.760 eight seasons later, and they put me in the back 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:11.840 row of the finale and it was really awkward because 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:13.960 all these people that were there were all super fans 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.760 of the show, and it sort of devalued the brand 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.480 and a little bit to be like, we're trying to 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.240 put value on winning this show, but there you are. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.440 We've put you in the back you know, and treated 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.560 you like and nobody. And I sort of thought when 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.880 I was talking to the original producer who I worked with, 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.880 he was like, you can't do that to the contestants. 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.400 You kind of want to show people that it's still 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.200 exciting to win and that it's going to change your life. 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:37.600 You know, you can't devalue them. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:43.000 Absolutely, You're asking people to literally change their lives forever 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.640 to come on and put their The currency we trade 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:51.000 in is authentic human response. Right, whatever show you're making, 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.480 and you have to respect that. And I'm really, really, 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.400 really proud of the work that I have been a 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.760 part of, directly been a part of in supporting the 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.720 mental health of anyone that comes on this kind of 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:06.800 these kind of programs and the duty of care because 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.880 we're literally making it up as we went along, and 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.400 the duty of care that comes with that. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.520 We we work really hard to try to do everything 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.960 that we possibly can. It's a workplace like any other. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:19.720 And I say that to people all the time, like 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.400 entertainment is no different, you know, and a lot of 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.240 the pressures that we put on ourselves as well exists 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.160 in TV. It's probably magnified a little bit because more 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.920 people are watching it, but ultimately the effects that it 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:32.920 has on the mind and the mental load is still 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:33.680 the same, you know. 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:37.960 Yeah, oh well, yeah, man, whatever your I mean, it's 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:42.360 you might you might get off. Most reality works in 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.680 a case of elimination, you know. So you may start 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.080 with the many, and like any race, you know, whatever 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:48.600 it is. 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.960 There's only a few that get to the last part 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:51.240 of it. 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:53.080 And so for the first few weeks or something, with 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.760 a massive debut, you might have been quite prominent, and 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.400 then your storyline goes and ends, and in the end, 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:03.520 George from wins, but you for the rest of your 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.520 life will have people stare at your while you do 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:09.680 your groceries. And you you know, we do have very 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.879 best to let everyone know in the casting process, in 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.440 the you know, when people do come to us, to 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.240 let them know on that this is what's going to happen. 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.320 You could leave on the first day, but it won't 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:18.760 change the. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.520 Fact that you'll be at Wet and Wild with your 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:22.560 kids in ten years from now. 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:26.239 And someone's going to go in fact, like that's going 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:27.040 to happen. 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.480 All right, stomach hanging out. 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.040 I've been or went wild looking not looking as triminous 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.000 terrific as once was, and have people say can we 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:36.840 get a photo? And then they put it on Instagram 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.000 and you're like, oh God, maybe shouldn't have had those 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.119 edibles during lockdown because I'm looking a bit rubbery around 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:42.840 the sides. 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:47.320 Oh boy, that's a dangerous that's a dangerous hit man. 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.840 That's a conversation for a different podcast. But I was 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.880 going to ask you when you turned up today. You've 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:56.280 turned up and you've got your hair shaved beyond Justin 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.760 Bieber could pull it off at nineteen. Somehow you're pulling 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:00.399 it off. Let's not say your age, but you know 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.159