Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast past week that.
Speaker 2: Might welcome back guys to TV Reload. As you may know,
Speaker 2: my name is Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast
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Speaker 2: however you found me. I love hearing your feedback, so
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Speaker 2: or a comment on your chosen podcast platform. On today's podcast,
Speaker 2: I have Osher Ginsburg who has been on Austraining TV
Speaker 2: for twenty five years. He has hosted twenty three seasons
Speaker 2: of The Bachelor, from the Bachelorette to The Bachelor's in Paradise.
Speaker 2: This second version of the Bachelor's that is a lot
Speaker 2: of single people. Osha can boast this show has had
Speaker 2: a lot of successful marriages and plenty of babies which
Speaker 2: have all come out of these new relationships we have
Speaker 2: discovered on television. Pretty impressive when you think of the
Speaker 2: fact that his people met on reality television. Osha did
Speaker 2: shock Network ten publicity when we caught up today with
Speaker 2: a Shock makeover, and I'm pretty sure it's okay to
Speaker 2: leave in their reactions to that because it was pretty organic.
Speaker 2: Before we get started talking about his later series, launching
Speaker 2: on Sunday night at seven thirty of The Bachelor's The
Speaker 2: new series is really fun. I've actually seen the first
Speaker 2: episode and I can tell you that what might not
Speaker 2: have worked with the three Bachelors earlier in the year,
Speaker 2: this season is really exciting, looks expensive, looks classy, but
Speaker 2: above all.
Speaker 3: It feels really romantic.
Speaker 2: We will talk about why this series looks and feels
Speaker 2: different and how the producers went above and beyond to
Speaker 2: make this the most romantic season of The Bachelor We've
Speaker 2: ever seen. I'll ask about the pressure of being a
Speaker 2: TV host here in Australia and if men have the
Speaker 2: same pressures as female hosts.
Speaker 3: We will talk about the.
Speaker 2: Editing and how by the click of a finger they
Speaker 2: can change the way that the audience relates to these participants.
Speaker 2: Plus we will get plenty of exclusives from behind the
Speaker 2: scenes of The Bachelor's which, as I mentioned, is out
Speaker 2: on Sunday night at seven thirty on Network ten and
Speaker 2: you'll be able to catch up on ten play if
Speaker 2: you fall just that little bit behind. Anyway, let's bring
Speaker 2: Osher into the podcast and guys, I do really hope
Speaker 2: you enjoy this catch up with Australia's longer standing male
Speaker 2: reality TV host with his new hair, which you can't
Speaker 2: see because this is a podcast.
Speaker 3: But anyway, let's bring Osher in.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm going to tees. Are you there? Put yourself
Speaker 4: for a conference seck.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have to say I'm sorry in advance
Speaker 1: because you might be dealing with some shit today.
Speaker 3: Okay, oh wow, Okay.
Speaker 4: I love this for you, so do I I'm excited
Speaker 4: for a new chapter.
Speaker 2: I can't believe we just did a whole radio tet
Speaker 2: and I had no idea who I was talking to.
Speaker 4: It looks good, Thanks man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I saw you two days ago.
Speaker 3: Really should you look about fifteen years younger?
Speaker 4: This is wow.
Speaker 1: Look I've got the all clear from a document Sorry
Speaker 1: for people who are listening, like, I have literally got
Speaker 1: the same haircut as I did when I was five.
Speaker 4: It is I think it's like maybe.
Speaker 1: A two blade, maybe a two it's maybe it's zero
Speaker 1: in the back and it's all blonde. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: sliced about six months of growth off last night because
Speaker 1: I've got the all clear from a documentary that I've
Speaker 1: been shooting because I was a bit you know, we
Speaker 1: were just wanted to make sure we didn't have to
Speaker 1: do any pickup shots. And I call Lash, my executive producer.
Speaker 1: He goes, no, we're good, You'll be fine. We won't
Speaker 1: have to do anymore. Like great, because for continuity purposes
Speaker 1: I've had to have the same haircut for the last
Speaker 1: five weeks.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it looks.
Speaker 3: It looks amazing. Thank you. If you cut fifteen years off,
Speaker 3: I mean you look twenty to begin with.
Speaker 4: So wow, Well I kind of forgot.
Speaker 1: I knew I had my haircut, but I kind of
Speaker 1: forgot that I was going on television today.
Speaker 4: Uh so look that'll be interesting, Tess.
Speaker 3: Definitely. Well, I'm going to put myself on new I'm
Speaker 3: going to turn off my video.
Speaker 2: I'm going to collect myself.
Speaker 1: You do that.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask about this in the podcast to
Speaker 2: be fair, Like, I think we need to talk about
Speaker 2: image and brand and what it's like to be a
Speaker 2: TV presenter and getting approval.
Speaker 3: I think that's all really quite fascinating.
Speaker 4: And now, look, I love what you've done with the
Speaker 4: green screen background. Ben.
Speaker 1: Actually it's got that kind of it's got that rental
Speaker 1: crisis kitchen vibe about it, which I really I really
Speaker 1: like you're a man of the people obviously.
Speaker 2: I mean I spoke to I was at my studio,
Speaker 2: so I had the full set where today you're in
Speaker 2: Bendigo and my mother in law's kitchen. Yes, and you
Speaker 2: know we're able to do this because you know, once
Speaker 2: COVID happened, we realized we could all work remotely.
Speaker 4: Mate.
Speaker 1: I paid for fiber to come into my house. I
Speaker 1: bought all of the good shit off eBay, and everyone's like.
Speaker 4: I can't get an lights. I'm like, dude, did you
Speaker 4: not read the news?
Speaker 1: If you need light or toilet paper or rat tests,
Speaker 1: I'm your man because I read the same artica you did.
Speaker 4: Six weeks ago. But then I went on eBay and
Speaker 4: you just carried on when your day and now I'm
Speaker 4: fine and you're panicking.
Speaker 3: It's mental. It's mental.
Speaker 2: Well, welcome back to another series of The Bachelors. It
Speaker 2: feels like this year they worked out from the last
Speaker 2: season we were talking about in January how to really
Speaker 2: level up and make this format really work. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was ambitious to have three bachelors when we saw
Speaker 2: it in January, and.
Speaker 3: It was interesting to watch.
Speaker 2: But this launch episode is the best launch episode of
Speaker 2: the franchise of twelve.
Speaker 3: Have you seen it? I've watched it twice, my friend.
Speaker 2: It is really it's so different, though, did you feel, like,
Speaker 2: you know, when you turned up this time around, considering
Speaker 2: that you've got two seasons of the Bachelor's at in
Speaker 2: one year, did it feel very different to what it
Speaker 2: was like being in the GC. Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, because like any I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think this is the twenty third edition of the
Speaker 1: Bachelor version of the franchise that we've done between Batchet,
Speaker 1: Bachelorette and Bachelor and Batch in Paradise, and like any relationship,
Speaker 1: you've got to keep things fresh, you know, you've got
Speaker 1: to you've got to make sure that you keep people interested.
Speaker 1: You've got to make sure that there's enough of what
Speaker 1: people first came for that that's there.
Speaker 4: But also as people's.
Speaker 1: Tastes change and the environment that you're existing in the
Speaker 1: market changes, you need to make sure that you keep
Speaker 1: up with that. And this particular season when in reality
Speaker 1: television or nonscripted television, but anything that you're creating, you
Speaker 1: can there's a few dials you can turn, all right,
Speaker 1: you can, you know, if you're making a film, you
Speaker 1: can have more fight scenes, more car chases, less explosions,
Speaker 1: more romance, you know whatever. So with ours, and you'll
Speaker 1: see it in other dating formats. You can have more drama,
Speaker 1: less drama, you're going to have more people not being
Speaker 1: very nice to each other. You can have more intimacy
Speaker 1: things you might have to go to a later time slot.
Speaker 4: You can have make it.
Speaker 1: Funnier and on this season, and we've done you know,
Speaker 1: some of those. This season we have just gone romance
Speaker 1: because it's all there, all right. We could click a
Speaker 1: finger of an Adobe premiere, you know that US premiere.
Speaker 4: They probably use something really good like.
Speaker 3: Abbot or something.
Speaker 1: But we could click a finger on an edit sweet
Speaker 1: and change the show. But the romance really plays in
Speaker 1: this one. And I don't know about you, but I've
Speaker 1: worked in nonscripted television twenty something years now, and I
Speaker 1: thought my heart had hardened to just this impenetrable shield
Speaker 1: of obsidian that no possible human emotion could penetrate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I watch particularly, I know we won't spoil anything,
Speaker 1: but there's a deliciously adorable, quite dorky meat cute in
Speaker 1: the first episode, you know, the one I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: And I watch it, I just go oh, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: there's so much terrible shit.
Speaker 3: Going on in my life.
Speaker 4: When I wrote open my Phone, it's.
Speaker 1: Just like, well, death, famine, hate way, climate change, sea
Speaker 1: level fuck, jamming. And then I see these people meet
Speaker 1: each other and just have these twinkles in their eyes.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's so nice, and I have an emotional response
Speaker 4: to it, and it's so lovely that I get something
Speaker 4: out of two other people having a nice time. And
Speaker 4: so we've dialed that up a bit on this season,
Speaker 4: which is really lovely, but.
Speaker 2: It also feels quite expensive in the sense that, like
Speaker 2: when we were on the GC, it was like the
Speaker 2: girls were drinking out.
Speaker 3: Of plastic cups like you would if.
Speaker 4: We were pull side. It was oh and X come now.
Speaker 2: But this time it's crystal and the girls are wearing
Speaker 2: dresses that you'd see the Kadashians wear to like the
Speaker 2: met Gala, So like it does feel very expensive.
Speaker 1: But the thing we have a word for it ben Yeah, money,
Speaker 1: money on screen.
Speaker 4: That's what they call it. Money on screen.
Speaker 1: And it was most definitely a deliberate editorial choice. There's
Speaker 1: things that we can again, there's levers we can pull
Speaker 1: to change the feel of the show, and that can
Speaker 1: even go to the choice of lenses, because that will
Speaker 1: dictate how close or far away you are from people,
Speaker 1: and the closer you are in proximity, the more where
Speaker 1: they are of your presence, and the more their behavior
Speaker 1: may be affected. If you're right in their face or
Speaker 1: if you're in a nice long lens far away. You know,
Speaker 1: they know that there's cameras, but they don't know who
Speaker 1: they're really shooting at the time. And most definitely, I mean,
Speaker 1: we are very very lucky to have the exquisite Matt
Speaker 1: Ramanus as our dop director of photography, and he just
Speaker 1: took the brief that and Spence. Our ep is amazing.
Speaker 1: She is a fucking genius mate. She is one of
Speaker 1: the geniuses of Australian television. She is so fucking good.
Speaker 1: Her and deanter Genie, they were able to describe their
Speaker 1: vision because it's one thing to have a vision, but
Speaker 1: it's another thing to then say to an art department
Speaker 1: or a lighting crew or an audio department, here's how
Speaker 1: we want it to look. All right, So you're going
Speaker 1: to have to figure out how an orchestra can happen
Speaker 1: at the same time as people having conversations, because we
Speaker 1: don't want to stop the orchestra, but you're going to
Speaker 1: have to figure out how we can edit around that
Speaker 1: with the audio and the background changing and they go okay,
Speaker 1: and all these things lead us to have a very
Speaker 1: organic kind of flowing moment. You know, it's very A
Speaker 1: lot of work goes into allowing those things to happen,
Speaker 1: because what is essentially the job that we do is
Speaker 1: we capture authentic human responses to emotional situations, and you
Speaker 1: only get a chance to.
Speaker 4: Do that once.
Speaker 1: So if, for example, season two, we started shooting at
Speaker 1: a beautiful Harveside mansion in Hunters Hill, which was directly
Speaker 1: under the landing path of both Sydney runways at the airport,
Speaker 1: which is about four kilometers down wind. So on a
Speaker 1: Friday night or an evening Saturday or Saturday night, mostly
Speaker 1: a Friday night, we would have to shoot the show
Speaker 1: in forty five second chunks between seven three, seven, eight
Speaker 1: hundreds flying across my.
Speaker 4: Wait, don't don't, don't tell, don't break her heart just yet?
Speaker 1: Wait and okay, Sam week good goes, samp go like
Speaker 1: very hard to have an authentic response.
Speaker 4: Actually it was Blake that one.
Speaker 3: That one.
Speaker 2: For sure, that sort of technical difficulty can happen. But
Speaker 2: as you mentioned Spence before, I know her very well.
Speaker 2: She is brilliant. And I was there while you're filming
Speaker 2: this series and having a chat with her about it.
Speaker 4: And where did you come to? Did you come to
Speaker 4: the Brighton place?
Speaker 3: I was at the Brighton one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Remember I told you the awkward story about the first
Speaker 2: time I interviewed you on national radio. Oh yeah, And
Speaker 2: the producer said to me, I used to work with
Speaker 2: Osha and put a question in the rundown and I
Speaker 2: asked you the question, which was asking you about your
Speaker 2: partner who you'd separated from. My research, I would have known.
Speaker 2: And you said to me when we're on the set
Speaker 2: of this season of The Bachelor's you said.
Speaker 3: I bet you you've never done that again.
Speaker 2: I bet you you've never read because you only need
Speaker 2: to do it once, right, I do it once, and
Speaker 2: you will never read a producer's question without doing that
Speaker 2: research yourself.
Speaker 1: It happened to me once, and I happened to me
Speaker 1: while I was interviewing Keith Urban. And because I am
Speaker 1: so fucking busy, I don't have time to write my
Speaker 1: own prep When someone hand me a sheet, I was
Speaker 1: real at my own ass, so it was still drinking,
Speaker 1: and I handed the sit and asked this question and
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, that's not me, mate, And then oh fuck me.
Speaker 1: It's like one of the greatest greatest musicians our country's
Speaker 1: ever produced, one of the greatest country artists of all time.
Speaker 4: I've fucking put my foot in it, and never, never,
Speaker 4: ever again. I still get other people to help me
Speaker 4: with my research and my prefers. I don't have enough
Speaker 4: time to do it.
Speaker 1: All, but I always, always, always go over it and
Speaker 1: double check it. I don't just like read it live
Speaker 1: to air, because that is a dangerous game.
Speaker 2: I felt the same way, mate, because I was like,
Speaker 2: you're the longest standing male presenter in reality, like as in,
Speaker 2: you've done more reality in the last twenty years, which
Speaker 2: I have loved, idolized, and I felt like I should
Speaker 2: have known better. And it's literally like walking up to
Speaker 2: someone that you want a validation from and then shitting
Speaker 2: on them, do you know what I mean? Like, and
Speaker 2: you're like, and you can see it in the face
Speaker 2: as it goes anywhere.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I think I think it's I keep myself through
Speaker 1: a very high standard, all right. And I because of
Speaker 1: the standard that I keep myself.
Speaker 4: Too, I have you know, I am.
Speaker 1: Employable, I am reliable, I am professional, and people go, yep,
Speaker 1: we can get that guy.
Speaker 4: And I want other people to have that too.
Speaker 3: And if I kept me.
Speaker 2: To a standard, and I actually think that there's something
Speaker 2: really powerful in that. But you know what, Asha, You've
Speaker 2: always been really good at, you know, active listening, and
Speaker 2: that's what makes really good conversation. And you can see
Speaker 2: it in this season of the Bachelor's the way you're
Speaker 2: interacting with the bachelors and with the women.
Speaker 4: Oh, you've got a hard.
Speaker 2: Job to come across on a show like this that
Speaker 2: could be quite camp and look authentic and look honest
Speaker 2: and like you're still managing to do this well, like.
Speaker 4: It's twenty three or twenty four.
Speaker 1: I think it's twenty three. I'm pretty sure it's twenty.
Speaker 1: Do I have to get test can rapidly test. If
Speaker 1: you can rapidly find the numbers, i'd appreciate that, But
Speaker 1: you're gonna have you're gonna have to count back to
Speaker 1: that chair and batch and paradise and the amount of episodes.
Speaker 4: No, not in the episodes, but seasons at least. I
Speaker 4: think it's twenty three. It's a huge amount of things.
Speaker 4: But I guess you know.
Speaker 1: I think the greatest problem, the greatest mistake you can
Speaker 1: make in this kind of TV, is to dehumanize your participant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because once you do that, then a you put the
Speaker 1: integrity of the show at risk, You put their emotional
Speaker 1: response at risk, You put.
Speaker 3: Them at risk.
Speaker 1: If you can treat them with respect and on face
Speaker 1: values like you're here to fall in love or cook
Speaker 1: great recipe or whatever, build a house, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: and treat you know, and honestly meet them at that place,
Speaker 1: you're going to get better, better stuff on camera.
Speaker 4: Then you'll ever get otherwise by setting them up.
Speaker 3: But you're valuing your product in a way.
Speaker 2: I mean I had a conversation with an executive producer
Speaker 2: years ago and you know, won a series of Big
Speaker 2: eleven years ago, and they wanted me to come back
Speaker 2: and be in the audience for a finale for one
Speaker 2: eight seasons later, and they put me in the back
Speaker 2: row of the finale and it was really awkward because
Speaker 2: all these people that were there were all super fans
Speaker 2: of the show, and it sort of devalued the brand
Speaker 2: and a little bit to be like, we're trying to
Speaker 2: put value on winning this show, but there you are.
Speaker 2: We've put you in the back you know, and treated
Speaker 2: you like and nobody. And I sort of thought when
Speaker 2: I was talking to the original producer who I worked with,
Speaker 2: he was like, you can't do that to the contestants.
Speaker 2: You kind of want to show people that it's still
Speaker 2: exciting to win and that it's going to change your life.
Speaker 3: You know, you can't devalue them.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, You're asking people to literally change their lives forever
Speaker 1: to come on and put their The currency we trade
Speaker 1: in is authentic human response. Right, whatever show you're making,
Speaker 1: and you have to respect that. And I'm really, really,
Speaker 1: really proud of the work that I have been a
Speaker 1: part of, directly been a part of in supporting the
Speaker 1: mental health of anyone that comes on this kind of
Speaker 1: these kind of programs and the duty of care because
Speaker 1: we're literally making it up as we went along, and
Speaker 1: the duty of care that comes with that.
Speaker 4: We we work really hard to try to do everything
Speaker 4: that we possibly can. It's a workplace like any other.
Speaker 2: And I say that to people all the time, like
Speaker 2: entertainment is no different, you know, and a lot of
Speaker 2: the pressures that we put on ourselves as well exists
Speaker 2: in TV. It's probably magnified a little bit because more
Speaker 2: people are watching it, but ultimately the effects that it
Speaker 2: has on the mind and the mental load is still
Speaker 2: the same, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh well, yeah, man, whatever your I mean, it's
Speaker 1: you might you might get off. Most reality works in
Speaker 1: a case of elimination, you know. So you may start
Speaker 1: with the many, and like any race, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 4: There's only a few that get to the last part
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 1: And so for the first few weeks or something, with
Speaker 1: a massive debut, you might have been quite prominent, and
Speaker 1: then your storyline goes and ends, and in the end,
Speaker 1: George from wins, but you for the rest of your
Speaker 1: life will have people stare at your while you do
Speaker 1: your groceries. And you you know, we do have very
Speaker 1: best to let everyone know in the casting process, in
Speaker 1: the you know, when people do come to us, to
Speaker 1: let them know on that this is what's going to happen.
Speaker 4: You could leave on the first day, but it won't
Speaker 4: change the.
Speaker 1: Fact that you'll be at Wet and Wild with your
Speaker 1: kids in ten years from now.
Speaker 4: And someone's going to go in fact, like that's going
Speaker 4: to happen.
Speaker 3: All right, stomach hanging out.
Speaker 2: I've been or went wild looking not looking as triminous
Speaker 2: terrific as once was, and have people say can we
Speaker 2: get a photo? And then they put it on Instagram
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh God, maybe shouldn't have had those
Speaker 2: edibles during lockdown because I'm looking a bit rubbery around
Speaker 2: the sides.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, that's a dangerous that's a dangerous hit man.
Speaker 2: That's a conversation for a different podcast. But I was
Speaker 2: going to ask you when you turned up today. You've
Speaker 2: turned up and you've got your hair shaved beyond Justin
Speaker 2: Bieber could pull it off at nineteen. Somehow you're pulling
Speaker 2: it off. Let's not say your age, but you know
Speaker 2: there'll be fifty in March. It's mental, It is mental.
Speaker 2: Is that I would love to know from your perspective
Speaker 2: because you've been on TV for twenty years as a
Speaker 2: male presenter. Twenty five twenty five years, it's crazy. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, I just I lost a few years, but
Speaker 2: that's the COVID years. But I'd love to know from
Speaker 2: your perspective of being a male presenter. Is there pressure
Speaker 2: for you every time you turn up on a show
Speaker 2: that you're supposed to.
Speaker 3: Look the same And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just love to know what you think of the
Speaker 2: difference between a minute man and a woman being a
Speaker 2: female presenter.
Speaker 1: Oh man, there is no competition. Men get to grow
Speaker 1: old on camera. Yeah, that's the fat Men get to
Speaker 1: grow old on camera, all right, And women in our
Speaker 1: community still generally don't get that chance, or do get
Speaker 1: that chance, but not without you know, it's twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: and yet we call that. You know, we'll get out
Speaker 1: outraged at someone's microaggressions, but we will look at a
Speaker 1: female presenter and have the fifties on camera and have
Speaker 1: you know, like, come on, we are are or we
Speaker 1: are not? So I have a it's no contest, man,
Speaker 1: I have the easiest run of all.
Speaker 2: Do you have to have conversations with an image consultant
Speaker 2: with saying do you have to be like imagine if
Speaker 2: you wanted to go and I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've ever done this, but if you ever
Speaker 2: wanted to get fillers or botox or do you could
Speaker 2: do you have to talk to them about it?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no no, there's nothing like that.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I have to do is be
Speaker 1: mindful of pickups or say, for example, and we've had
Speaker 1: this in one season of The Bachelor, I think it
Speaker 1: was season one, it might have been season three. I
Speaker 1: think it was season one, where a person who was
Speaker 1: involved in the first few weeks of the show chose
Speaker 1: to look kind of basically said nah, I actually don't
Speaker 1: want to do it, and everyone decided it's probably better
Speaker 1: that we don't put you know, these things, we don't
Speaker 1: lose anything. We're having this person not out of the cut,
Speaker 1: and just to get us around a problem in the edit,
Speaker 1: I needed to go back and being in the same
Speaker 1: suit with the same hair in front of the same thing,
Speaker 1: saying the same thing, all right, because I you know,
Speaker 1: and and that was it, so you would never know,
Speaker 1: all right, but that's it's called to pick up. And
Speaker 1: that just kind of helped us out in the edit.
Speaker 1: So I just I've just finished shooting a Basically, whenever
Speaker 1: I finished shooting something, as long as there's no there's
Speaker 1: no chance of a reshoot, there's no chance of going back,
Speaker 1: there's no chance of like we don't have to do
Speaker 1: promo or anything.
Speaker 4: Well, Fritos are on set.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, just so everybody knows I'm going
Speaker 1: to radically change the way I look, and I think, okay,
Speaker 1: and then that's fine.
Speaker 4: And that's that's about it.
Speaker 1: I have a and that's only fair because otherwise it
Speaker 1: makes doing the actual job very very difficult if we're
Speaker 1: not able to keep continuity through whatever it's doing. But
Speaker 1: as far as you know the way I look and
Speaker 1: pressure to the way I look, I you know, I
Speaker 1: might have got employed in ninety ninety nine because I
Speaker 1: had a certain something, but I think I stay employed
Speaker 1: because I work really really hard at being the undeniable
Speaker 1: choice when it comes to these kind of shows. And
Speaker 1: I know there's plenty of people who want to do
Speaker 1: what could do. They'd look, there's other people that are
Speaker 1: looking at for these gigs. I know that I'm under
Speaker 1: no illusions that I'm not that they're not. But I
Speaker 1: work really hard to make sure that I also reinvent
Speaker 1: my relationship with the networks to be sure that I
Speaker 1: am undeniable when it comes to or who we're going to.
Speaker 4: Get to do this thing.
Speaker 1: Well, there's only one that's him, because I worked my
Speaker 1: fucking ass off to make sure that they think that.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, mate, I saw you last year,
Speaker 3: not this last season of the Massing Up, but I
Speaker 3: was in the audience to watch the.
Speaker 4: Rap that's a fun one, and I was.
Speaker 2: Blown away by you doing that show, like I was
Speaker 2: blown away by the pickups as well, Like the judges
Speaker 2: panel at one point wasn't there and you had to
Speaker 2: do pickups and you talk to people that weren't sitting
Speaker 2: in those spaces. The producer stood there and talked to you,
Speaker 2: but you wrapped that shoot so fast, like I don't
Speaker 2: know whether they pay you by the minute.
Speaker 1: So they were like, no, I'm just mindful of everyone's time.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons they get me because
Speaker 1: I can do things in one take.
Speaker 4: I can, Yeah, I work I work very hard at that.
Speaker 4: I work very hard at at main.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I have ways that I can
Speaker 1: learn really really long scripts quite quickly, and I work
Speaker 1: really hard at that. So when you've got forty something
Speaker 1: people on set, if you keep sucking it up like
Speaker 1: and you go into overtime, that's going to cost people
Speaker 1: a lot of money, all right, And everybody wants to
Speaker 1: go in their meal break and pickup's usually done right
Speaker 1: before a break, right, And my job, I really look
Speaker 1: at my job as how can I make everyone else's
Speaker 1: day as easy as possible? How can I have them
Speaker 1: go home tonight and go I thought it was going
Speaker 1: to be a punish.
Speaker 4: It was, and it was all right. And that's why
Speaker 4: I do that.
Speaker 1: By being on time, by being absolutely prepared, by being
Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to be, knowing what I'm supposed to do,
Speaker 1: getting the fucking gold every time, and you know, basically,
Speaker 1: you know, to be honest, thinking like okay, how can
Speaker 1: I I'm thinking like chess, you know, how can I okay,
Speaker 1: three moves from now, as a promo moment coming up,
Speaker 1: I reckon I can get there and then boom and
Speaker 1: then we get it. And that makes even you know,
Speaker 1: people who like right now, there's people who are cutting
Speaker 1: promos based upon stuff that you know, me and my
Speaker 1: colleagues put together because we knew we were going to
Speaker 1: get this kind of bang line out of someone back
Speaker 1: in June.
Speaker 4: And they're going, oh, that was an easy day work.
Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be hard today. And
Speaker 4: that's the way I kind of look at it.
Speaker 3: You know, I just want to jump in there.
Speaker 2: A friend of mine work was working on The Bachelor's
Speaker 2: that was the one that was on in January, and
Speaker 2: it was one of his first jobs working in television,
Speaker 2: and he was there to see you do the opening
Speaker 2: of that first episode and it was the longest monologue
Speaker 2: I think you'd ever done for an intro of a show.
Speaker 2: I think you shot it twice, but they just used
Speaker 2: the first take. I think that's the story. But that's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you watch you doing that intro of
Speaker 2: that series, it's engaging, it's authentic, it's all.
Speaker 3: It's touching all the points.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's one to be able to remember the lines, and
Speaker 2: even actors don't usually have that time to be able
Speaker 2: to have to go that long, and you just day
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 5: I'm like, but that's you know, your colleagues saw the
Speaker 5: moment of you know, they saw the I don't know,
Speaker 5: they saw the one tumble run at the rhythm at
Speaker 5: the gymnastics, you know, Matt competition.
Speaker 1: They didn't see the days or the hours before that
Speaker 1: of getting in my head visualizing it, knowing you know,
Speaker 1: there's probably going to be a camera turn here, there's
Speaker 1: probably going to be light that I've got to hit there,
Speaker 1: there's two steps there. But that's all work, you know,
Speaker 1: that's just all that's the work that goes into it.
Speaker 1: And I don't just show up and if I make
Speaker 1: it look easy, that's the job. I don't make no mistake.
Speaker 1: I prepare as much as I can for those moments.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and it's I'm really particularly proud of that
Speaker 1: one because it's not it's not off from where they go,
Speaker 1: all right, And I need you to look to camera
Speaker 1: be there and camera bee is a fucking you know
Speaker 1: dual bengein bell hovering, you know, three hundred feet off
Speaker 1: the coast with a centerflex hanging off the front of it,
Speaker 1: like that's always fun.
Speaker 2: It's actually crazy, you know, before you go, I have
Speaker 2: to ask you the same question I ask everyone who
Speaker 2: joins the podcast. What is something from behind the scenes
Speaker 2: of this Bachelor's something that we as an audience won't see,
Speaker 2: but kind of like a behind the scenes secret, something
Speaker 2: that you know, audiences would love to know about this
Speaker 2: particular series. Maybe something that was harder to do, that
Speaker 2: hadn't been done before.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to see it, but the
Speaker 1: home that the ladies stayed in, the home where the
Speaker 1: Rose Council is sorry, Rose Ceremony, but because I wear
Speaker 1: all Survivor fans and our director direct butch direct Survivor,
Speaker 1: so we call it the Rose Council because one of
Speaker 1: these days I will be on that show. The Homer
Speaker 1: we shot it in has a spinny tunnel slippery slide
Speaker 1: in one of the bedrooms.
Speaker 3: I saw it, Yeah, I saw it, all right.
Speaker 4: Well you've already seen that, all right, then, So what's
Speaker 4: something you haven't seen?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, that's a good one. I don't know if
Speaker 3: we're going to get the audience point get a chance.
Speaker 4: Oh the people my mind to make the cut.
Speaker 1: Okay, So one of that so I can't remember the
Speaker 1: the house has a lot of kids, all right, Generally
Speaker 1: we shoot in houses that have had a lot of kids,
Speaker 1: because that's that's how you get in that many bedrooms.
Speaker 1: But there's like the proper like the kind of slippery
Speaker 1: slide you would see at Bunny's or you know, the
Speaker 1: big kind of mod you play, kind of plastic thing
Speaker 1: with a spin and a big loop in it and
Speaker 1: everything like that, with a cargo net above it. Quite
Speaker 1: wasted on these you know, corny something, your old ladies.
Speaker 1: I really hope a few of them went head first
Speaker 1: or you know whatever down it.
Speaker 4: I really wanted to have a go myself, but I
Speaker 4: never got I never got it. I don't you know,
Speaker 4: I don't go into their bedrooms. That's in a private space.
Speaker 2: But I don't want to hurt you any as well.
Speaker 2: They don't want you to go down the slide and
Speaker 2: put and bust a hip or something.
Speaker 3: You're not that I've.
Speaker 1: Already busted my hit plenty. It's I was, I'm fucking
Speaker 1: done with surgery.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm not.
Speaker 2: It's just like, don't let I should go down the
Speaker 2: slide just in case, Like I ride.
Speaker 4: My bicycle to work. What the fuck like?
Speaker 2: It's fine, No, Cox, Spenser be like, you know, at
Speaker 2: the time you hear is a bit longer. The static
Speaker 2: might ruin your hair and take it.
Speaker 4: It's fine, it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: I have to let you go because we're right on
Speaker 2: nine thirty, and I'll.
Speaker 4: Give you Okay, I'll give you one thing.
Speaker 1: Keep an eye out for Melissa Byrne, who is my
Speaker 1: absolutely genius stylist.
Speaker 4: She makes all the suits on Mask Singer.
Speaker 1: She made this exquisite suit for the first episode, but
Speaker 1: she's made some custom shirts. Every shirt is bespoke, it
Speaker 1: gets worn once. It's ridiculous she made she's made. I
Speaker 1: was looking at some steals last night. She's made some
Speaker 1: shirts which are just divine, all right, And look, we
Speaker 1: don't we really talk about male clothing.
Speaker 4: You know, you just a dude on camera.
Speaker 1: But the attention to detail that mel puts into these
Speaker 1: these unbelievable garments, it's just, oh man, it's just so
Speaker 1: freaking beautiful. I think episode three there's one particular one
Speaker 1: that's just nuts.
Speaker 4: There's beautiful.
Speaker 3: I just wait to keep watching this show. Honestly, this
Speaker 3: is right.
Speaker 2: I watched the first episode and I'm probably not supposed
Speaker 2: to do this, but I watched it with my mother
Speaker 2: in law. She's just sitting over there listening. But we
Speaker 2: watched it last night and it's.
Speaker 4: Just staying in her house.
Speaker 1: You'd better watch the embargoed show with her and just
Speaker 1: make a pinky promise.
Speaker 2: Well, it did finish, and this is a good review
Speaker 2: from someone's mother in law. Is when it finished, she said,
Speaker 2: do you have any more episodes?
Speaker 4: This is the answer that I wanted to hear.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that's how I feel people will be
Speaker 2: watching this series.
Speaker 3: I think it end.
Speaker 2: Every time an episode finishes, you'll think to yourself.
Speaker 3: I need I need more, I need to keep going.
Speaker 4: I'm so proud of it.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a beautiful story and it's a really
Speaker 1: interesting insight as to what it is to date in.
Speaker 4: Australia in your twenties.
Speaker 1: And I think we're going to show a lot of
Speaker 1: people things they may not expect.
Speaker 3: That's the conversation. That was something we didn't talk about.
Speaker 2: But I just think it's so fascinating with the way
Speaker 2: in which these days people are dating online and socializing
Speaker 2: in real life. You know, it's so interesting. Anyway, that's
Speaker 2: we'll talk about it for the Bachelor's season. So you
Speaker 2: know the Bachelor's season.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, thanks man, thanks for your time.
Speaker 3: Chat to you mate, look on my bade.