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Speaker 1: She's on the Money.

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Speaker 2: She's on the Money. Hello, and welcome to She's on

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Speaker 2: the Money, the podcast or Millennials who want financial freedom. Today,

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Speaker 2: we're talking careers and specifically how you can go about

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Speaker 2: changing yours if that is something you want. Maybe you're

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Speaker 2: bored in your job right now, maybe you need an

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Speaker 2: extra challenge, or maybe the field you chose is just

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Speaker 2: not what you thought it would be. No matter your situation.

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Speaker 2: Today would explain how to make a switch without sabotaging

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Speaker 2: your savings. My name is Georgia King, and joining me

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Speaker 2: today as always is financial advisor and find and author

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Speaker 2: and like app creator, I'm not an app creator, what

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Speaker 2: are you? I'm a Victoria not app creator. Well, actually

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Speaker 2: this leads me to my first question, because we're talking

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Speaker 2: about careers today and for anyone new to the podcast

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Speaker 2: who doesn't know your career story, can you act at

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Speaker 2: the point.

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Speaker 1: I'm not actually usually that self indulgent in the intro though, Yeah, debatable?

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, carry on, tell us about you. I want

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Speaker 2: to know about your career and how you got to

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Speaker 2: where you are.

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Speaker 1: That's where we're going back to a podcast.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to start out with a little a

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Speaker 2: little bit of story time.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what my career is. If I'm being honest,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where I started. I don't know where

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Speaker 1: I began. I finished year twelve not really having a clue.

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Speaker 1: I went straight into an arts degree because that's what

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Speaker 1: you do when you don't know what to do and

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Speaker 1: you still want to go to union not miss out.

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Speaker 1: And then halfway through first year I transferred into a

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Speaker 1: Bachelor of Psychological Science, which sounds very fancy, and finished

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Speaker 1: that kind of had a career midlife. Is it a

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Speaker 1: midlife crisis when you're twenty one?

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't have thought so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, let's go with that. It felt like

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Speaker 1: a crisis when I realized that I didn't love psychology.

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Speaker 1: I went into psychology thinking I'd go into counseling or

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Speaker 1: and that's something I I'm really passionate about. And then

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Speaker 1: think it takes a really special person to do that role.

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Speaker 1: And the experience I had was great, it was just

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Speaker 1: just knew I couldn't do that as a career.

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Speaker 2: I took it home. Kind of, yeah, I took it home.

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Speaker 1: I ruminated on it way too much and kind of

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Speaker 1: then I went to see a careers counselor actually just

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Speaker 1: a local one. I found her on Google and spoke

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Speaker 1: I just thought that was really cool. So I graduated

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Speaker 1: What does accounting do marketing? Oh? I just didn't know.

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Speaker 1: But what I was doing was culture and engagement, and

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Speaker 1: I loved the culture and engagement. But too many times

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Speaker 1: because I was so passionate about it, and they were like, Victoria,

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Speaker 1: kind of coincidental. And the thing that I always get

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Speaker 2: My friend, Yeah, that's so interesting. And along the way

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Speaker 1: But I guess it's kind of like right place, right time,

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Speaker 1: Like there were opportunities that I decided to seize and

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Speaker 1: just interested, and I think that being interested sometimes makes

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Speaker 1: I don't want people to think that this was always

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Speaker 2: Aren't we all lost? Like that?

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Speaker 2: I think, just what you are in your twenties, and

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Speaker 2: probably your thirties, your forties, your fifties, your sixties, your seventies,

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Speaker 1: You are inspirational Georgia. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's get into the main questions here,

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Speaker 2: V Where should we start if we do feel like

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Speaker 1: A fluffy episode, isn't it? A girl should fluffy episodes

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Speaker 1: back and go, what do I want from my life?

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Speaker 1: What is there? Because a lot of us have a

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Speaker 1: do before you retire, unless you're like super inture, I

436
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Speaker 1: don't have family, wealth, who knows, but you have so

437
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 1: much time left. So even forty fifty fifty, you've got

438
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 1: more than fifteen years left and at this rate, we're

439
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 1: not even retiring at sixty five anymore, retiring at seventy

440
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 1: seventy five. Our ages are increasing, And I genuinely don't

441
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 1: believe that anything is too late. And I think that

442
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people start thinking that, especially as they

443
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Speaker 1: approach thirty. They're like, Wow, this, I guess is what

444
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm stuck doing now, And you're like, it's not true.

445
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 1: And I think in twenty twenty one, we have so

446
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 1: much opportunity, Like, we have so much ability to fit

447
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 1: study and further education into our lives in a way

448
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 1: that wasn't afforded to us twenty years ago. You can

449
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: study online, you can study at a university in a

450
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,439
Speaker 1: different country if you want to while living in Australia.

451
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Speaker 1: And I think that that's an opportunity that a lot

452
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 1: of us just don't think about. You can do night school,

453
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want. And I think that

454
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 1: it is so cool. And if you've been feeling like

455
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 1: it's too late, there's no such thing as too late.

456
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Speaker 2: And also it doesn't mean that your whole career up

457
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Speaker 2: until this point has been for nothing, because.

458
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Speaker 1: Absolutely you've got all of those skills exactly and it's

459
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 1: always transferable. And I always find it interesting because I,

460
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Speaker 1: you know, you speak to other business owners, and most

461
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 1: of my friends are incredible business owners. But I've come

462
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Speaker 1: across other business owners who are like, oh, yeah, like

463
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Speaker 1: I can just not find anyone with the experience I need.

464
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: Like okay, great, but like where are you looking? And

465
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I need them to fit this exact criteria. Like,

466
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Speaker 1: for example, if they're looking for somebody to do an

467
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Speaker 1: admin role, they'll be like, yeah, but they've never worked

468
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 1: an admin. I'm like, so, have you found the right person?

469
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Speaker 1: Have you found the right fit? Like, have you found

470
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Speaker 1: someone that you think you can train? Like you can't

471
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Speaker 1: train people to be kind and nice, but you can

472
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Speaker 1: train them to do the technical skills that you need

473
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Speaker 1: them to do. And I just feel like it's so

474
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Speaker 1: limiting thinking that taking on a staff member that hasn't

475
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: worked in your industry before isn't going to be a

476
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Speaker 1: benefit to you. Because as an employer who has taken

477
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Speaker 1: on people from different industries who have had absolutely no

478
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Speaker 1: experience in the roles that they are now employed in,

479
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Speaker 1: it's best decision I ever made.

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Speaker 2: So Macy from our group B is in her twenties

481
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Speaker 2: and she's looking at a career change, but she says

482
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Speaker 2: that she feels really overwhelmed by the options available to her,

483
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Speaker 2: which makes sense because there are a lot of cold

484
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Speaker 2: analysis paralysis, absolutely, But so she said that she's worried

485
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Speaker 2: that she'll kind of spend years and years studying and

486
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Speaker 2: then she'll arrive at the end of that point and

487
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Speaker 2: still not really like what she's dedicated that time too,

488
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Speaker 2: that she might still be disappointed with the option she's chosen.

489
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Speaker 2: How do you figure out what you want to do

490
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Speaker 2: and how do you kind of navigate that feeling of overwhelm.

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Speaker 1: It's a fluffy answer again, Jie me girls. It's literally

492
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Speaker 1: about just understanding what you want to do and again

493
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Speaker 1: just really thinking about what spark's joy in me. And

494
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Speaker 1: I know that that's really hard to do for a

495
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Speaker 1: lot of people. But sitting down with a pen and

496
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Speaker 1: paper and just writing out they're silly things that really

497
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Speaker 1: make you happy will start getting it flowing. Whether that

498
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Speaker 1: is morning coffees or like talking to your dog or

499
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: you know, you can start with those things and start

500
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Speaker 1: to flow into other things. Don't put too much pressure

501
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: on yourself. You don't need to start listening out, do

502
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Speaker 1: you know what I really like working on specific client projects? Like,

503
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Speaker 1: that's not going to be helpful. I actually want you

504
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Speaker 1: to think about the things that make you happy and

505
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Speaker 1: what brings you energy and what actually takes the energy

506
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Speaker 1: away from you, because we don't want to be doing

507
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Speaker 1: those things, and then I'd also be doing a little

508
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Speaker 1: bit of creeping. What are the outcomes of your degree?

509
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Speaker 1: So let's go back to psychology. What are the outcomes

510
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Speaker 1: that you would be able to achieve if you finished

511
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Speaker 1: a psych degree? What are those careers? Have a little

512
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Speaker 1: bit of a snoop around LinkedIn and see what other

513
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Speaker 1: people with that degree have done and have a think about,

514
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Speaker 1: well would I do that job? What does that look like?

515
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: What's their career history looked like? And that's something that

516
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: can really help you because you can search by jobs

517
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Speaker 1: and degrees and stuff like that and see what people

518
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Speaker 1: are doing. So snoop around see what people are up to,

519
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 1: not because you want to hit them up, but just

520
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Speaker 1: because you're like interested in what these people's journeys look like,

521
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Speaker 1: because it can be really bland when you get the

522
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Speaker 1: careers manual from your university and you're reading through it

523
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Speaker 1: and they've got this list of jobs that you might

524
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Speaker 1: be able to ascertain. What does that actually mean? Yeah,

525
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 1: and furthering that, go and talk to people in that area.

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Speaker 1: Go and have a chat with someone who works as

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Speaker 1: a psychologist. Us then what they love. And I've said

528
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Speaker 1: this on a podcast before. Human beings are self centered.

529
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Speaker 1: Human beings love talking about themselves. Why the hell do

530
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Speaker 1: you think we have a podcast? Georg job?

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Speaker 2: That's true.

532
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Speaker 1: So if you've find someone on LinkedIn that you think

533
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: has had a pretty interesting career journey, ask to buy

534
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Speaker 1: them a coffee. Say hey, Tony, I think that your

535
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: job's pretty cool. I know that this is pretty out there,

536
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: but I'd love to shout you with coffee and just

537
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Speaker 1: ask you some questions about where you're going. Because I'm

538
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Speaker 1: on a point in my life where i'm studying the

539
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: degree that I can see you've studied. I just don't

540
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Speaker 1: know what my next steps are. And more often than yes,

541
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Speaker 1: people will be so flattered that you're interested in what

542
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Speaker 1: they're up to. And I've done that before so many times,

543
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Speaker 1: and I think that it's just a really smart step.

544
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Speaker 1: If you don't have people in your personal network that

545
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Speaker 1: you can turn to, like use a community that is

546
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Speaker 1: surrounding you, because that's what LinkedIn's for, right, It's for networking.

547
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Speaker 2: And people are so nice, Like, people are so generous

548
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Speaker 2: with their time, and they want to help other people

549
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Speaker 2: and younger people. Like being a mentor is a really

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Speaker 2: special thing. I can imagine a mentor to no one.

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Speaker 1: You're a mentor to me, Georgia. Hey thanks girl, But

552
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: that is absolutely true. Right. People love being able to

553
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: give back. And you know what, if someone replies to

554
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: you and says, no, Georgia, I don't want to do that.

555
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: Don't take offense, like you don't know what's going on

556
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: in their life. Maybe they don't have time, maybe they

557
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: don't have the confidence to have a chat with you.

558
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: Maybe they just don't feel like it that week. And

559
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: that's okay, but don't take that no personally. Try again,

560
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: find someone else that you could connect to.

561
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Speaker 2: The Other thing b is that it's really hard that

562
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Speaker 2: we make these big career decisions when we're seventeen eighteen

563
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: years old at the end of high school. Our brains

564
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 2: aren't even fully formed. I don't I feel like they're not.

565
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Speaker 1: They're not. I think your brain fully forms at the

566
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Speaker 1: age of twenty five so how are you making decisions

567
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Speaker 1: for the rest of your life at eighteen?

568
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

569
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Speaker 1: And it's not even eighteen. You're asked to start choosing

570
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Speaker 1: your Like you're eleven and twelve subjects at the age

571
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Speaker 1: of sixteen, and you're made to think about it at

572
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: fifteen you don't even know what real were kids. Then

573
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: you just annoyed that your mom tells you to get

574
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: out of bed at eleven am, Like, that is not

575
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: the time that you should be choosing your future career

576
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Speaker 1: if you ask me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot going on at that time. But

578
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: it does make sense that we're choosing these we're making

579
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: these big decisions when we're so young, and then later

580
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 2: in life like, oh God, are chosen correctly? Like it

581
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: makes sense?

582
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I don't think you should be hard

583
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: on yourself if you have made the wrong decision or

584
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: you feel like you're just not in the right place,

585
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: because you can find the right place, but you've actually

586
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: got to give yourself permission to find it first, and

587
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: that can be really hard because it does feel like

588
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: you're admitting defeat, and that can be really hard, especially

589
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Speaker 1: after you've spent and in my situation, for a while,

590
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Speaker 1: I did feel like I'd wasted six years of my

591
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: life studying that I know wasn't going to use in

592
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Speaker 1: a future career. And now retrospectively, I'm like, well, that's

593
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Speaker 1: why I'm okay at what I do. That's what has

594
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: actually created me into who I am, and it's provided

595
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Speaker 1: me with not only experiences, but friends, and I've got

596
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Speaker 1: this education that I can lean on. But let's not

597
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: talk about the six figures have helped it. I still have.

598
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Speaker 2: All Right, we will be back after a very short

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Speaker 2: break where we'll be pivoting a little bit to have

600
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Speaker 2: a more broad chat about career. Pomo.

601
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: See, I told you you wanted to be netball.

602
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: You know, I did used to want to be in it.

603
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: I know, why do you think I'm I'm smarter than

604
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Speaker 1: I am, Georgia. Let's go to a break.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, Please remember that conversations like this one happen

606
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 2: every day in our Facebook group. They have it on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Join us, guys, let's jump back into the show. V.

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Speaker 1: So, before we jump back into the show, I'm just

609
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: having a look at our script before we record the show. Guys,

610
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Speaker 1: we sit down and we write a list of things

611
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Speaker 1: that we want to talk about and have a whole

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Speaker 1: heap of dot points, and often these dot points don't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of context. And George's written one down

614
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: that I really want to touch on before she actually

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Speaker 1: talks about the next you know, dot point she's got,

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Speaker 1: And that's G King's potato farmer story. What is the

617
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Speaker 1: G King potato farmers story? And why was that essential

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Speaker 1: to our document.

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Speaker 2: For our this week? So glad that I wrote that down? Okay,

620
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Speaker 2: So basically it was tied to our conversation about figuring

621
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Speaker 2: out your careers in high school and you wanted to

622
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Speaker 2: be a potato I didn't want to be a potato farmer.

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Speaker 2: We did one of those careers tests where you like,

624
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Speaker 2: plug in what you're good at, what your passions are,

625
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: do little tests and G King destined to be a

626
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Speaker 2: potato farmer?

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Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yes? I'm so glad, I asked people.

628
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Speaker 2: So it obviously didn't work out, But how bizarre I

629
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Speaker 2: can't remember what I would have plugged in, like likes

630
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Speaker 2: exercise and potato.

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Speaker 1: I do love the potato. Yeah, yeah, maybe that makes sense.

632
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Speaker 2: It's not too late for me, It isn't it's too late.

633
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Speaker 1: Never too late. If you want to be a potato farmer,

634
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Speaker 1: you absolutely can. All right, let's move on from the

635
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: potato farmer story. Georgia, I believe you're gonna go Eat

636
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Speaker 1: Pray Love on me now? Yes, So I.

637
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Speaker 2: Wanted to talk about how carea isn't necessarily going to

638
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: be a priority for everyone because there is there seems

639
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: to be a lot of press. Yes, okay, So Liz

640
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Speaker 2: Gilbert Eat Pray Love, friend of the show, just kidding

641
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Speaker 2: she could be? Where can she be a big shoes

642
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: on the Money fan?

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00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: Actually you reckon?

644
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's very woo woo very Could we bes with

645
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: Oprah too?

646
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: Is? I think should be a bucket list of people

647
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: that we can start Get on the show? Yeah, get

648
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: on the show.

649
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: Can you imagine special guest Oprah? Anyway, so Liz wrote

650
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Speaker 2: she wrote Eat Pray Love, but she also spoke a

651
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Speaker 2: few years ago now I think about careers and how

652
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: we should separate our careers from our jobs, our hobbies,

653
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: and our vocations. So the essence of what she was

654
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: trying to say was that our nine to five job

655
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: shouldn't and doesn't need to necessarily tick every single box.

656
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 2: Can you please flush that out for us?

657
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: I can I mean, Eat, Pray Love is not a book.

658
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: I can say I have deeply read a number of

659
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: times and followed, It's not not my vibe. I more like,

660
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: eat eat, Eat love Eat. That's okay. But yeah, I

661
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: think it's really important to realize that who we are

662
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: at work is not necessarily what defines us. And side note,

663
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: I have a separate private Facebook group for people who

664
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: are doing the budget and Cashulow master class that I

665
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: engage with right so if you've been doing that, you

666
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: would have seen this. But it was a beautiful post

667
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: from a woman who had completely changed her financial life,

668
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: which was wild, and she was feeling really bad because

669
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: she had been discharged from the army due to PTSD,

670
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: and you know, had always felt really guilty about not

671
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: being able to work and hated that people asked her

672
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: always first question, Oh hi Georgia, so nice to meet you.

673
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: What do you do for work? And she always felt

674
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: find by that question. And I think that side note

675
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: here is important because our careers don't define us. But

676
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: it's very easy to ask someone what they do. Totally

677
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: do that's the first question, And I think we really

678
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: need to redefine that because what we do for work

679
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: doesn't define us as people, and I don't want to

680
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: as much as I clearly have a platform and people

681
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: know me as Victoria the financial Advisor, like to my

682
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: friends and family, that's not who I am, and it's

683
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: not who I want to be remembered as. And I

684
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: don't want to get all the way down, you know,

685
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: to my own funeral and be a bit woo woo here.

686
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't want someone reading a eulogy being like, well,

687
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: she was a financial advisor, Like I want people to

688
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: talk about my impact and how kind I was and

689
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: that I was a nice person, And I want to

690
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: be remembered by those people around me for how I

691
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: made them feel, not the job that I did. And

692
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: I think that that's a really important thing to point

693
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: out that, you know, if you feel bad when people

694
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: ask you what you do because you haven't found your

695
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: dream career yet, or you're not there yet, or you're

696
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: not working like, it's not something you should be embarrassed about.

697
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: I think it's find that thing that you are really

698
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: confident responding with, So talk about a hobby, talk about

699
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: something else that sparks that joy in you. But it's

700
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: not something that I think should define us.

701
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: So it's also been very often not the most interesting

702
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: thing about a person.

703
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: No, no, because like, hey, j what do you do?

704
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? What do I do?

705
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: I don't really know? No, But you would say, oh, cool,

706
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: I work in social media. I'd be like, okay, cool,

707
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: like and I mean, you can start a conversation about that.

708
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: But I genuinely think that you won't have as deeper

709
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: conversation and learn much about a person if you say, oh, cool,

710
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: what are you doing your job? Well, did you want

711
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: my job description? You can read it and you can

712
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: probably understand really deeply what I do. But why don't

713
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: we ask someone like, how's your week been? What have

714
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: you been up to this week? How are you feeling? Like?

715
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: What do you do for fun? Or do you have

716
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: a hobby or do you like pets or whatever? You

717
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: want to ask them? That isn't their job. And I

718
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: guarantee you you'll have a deeper conversation with somebody because

719
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: you actually learn something about them, Because too many times

720
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: I've done it too. I go into a componation with

721
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: someone and we're like, Hi, George, is so nice to

722
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: meet you, And then you tell me what you're do

723
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh cool, and then you just don't

724
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: know where to go from there because I haven't really

725
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: learned anything about you and I don't feel like I've

726
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: really engaged with you, and it's just not nice. I

727
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: don't like it. Stop doing that. Let's cancel asking people

728
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: what they do as a first off the back.

729
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: Question done, Thanks, canceled. Okay, so let's go back to

730
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: this job, career, vocation, hobby thing. So basically the job,

731
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: that's the thing you do nine to five. That's what

732
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: pays the bills. And everybody needs a job, you know,

733
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: most they don't.

734
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: You need Georgia.

735
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: Well, then your set that's your job, you know what

736
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean?

737
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: Can that be my job? Where do I apply?

738
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be nice?

739
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: It would be I'd be bored.

740
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: So your career is then something you're deeply passionate about

741
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: pursuing and something you're really dedicated to. So not everyone

742
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: actually needs one of those, but some people crave having

743
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: a career and that's what really fulfills them. So for you,

744
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: that would be being a financial advisor.

745
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love what I do, and that's the thing

746
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: that I get frustrated with because a lot of people like, oh,

747
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: don't work so hard. I'm like, oh yeah, but I

748
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: love it. And often I'm the one that's stum to

749
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: people like what do you do for fun? Like she's

750
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: on the money, I am going my Facebook group. Yeah yeah,

751
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: but don't you have like a hobby or something. And

752
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I have a cat, I have two cats,

753
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: I have a dog. And then I sound crazy, but

754
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: that's okay.

755
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 2: And you know why, because this leads into the next point,

756
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: is because she's on the money. And what you do

757
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: in changing women's lives and empowering us all and educating

758
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: us all, that is your vocation. It is indeed, my friend,

759
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: this is the one that's a little harder to wrap

760
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: your head around. So I'm going to quote friend of

761
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: the Show Liz Gilbert. A vocation, in quotation marks guys,

762
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: is like a sacred calling of something that is very

763
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: holy to you.

764
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: Right, I don't like this.

765
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: It is the center of your life that you know

766
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: can ever be taken away from you no matter what.

767
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: So say someone came in tomorrow and they were like,

768
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: she's on the money, shut down for whatever reason, you

769
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 2: would still keep on doing what you do because that's

770
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 2: your driving force. So that is kind of what that means.

771
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: I understand this better than I think I do. I do.

772
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: Maybe you're going to be a careers advisor and tell

773
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: people to be potato farmers.

774
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: Or maybe I'll write an award winning novel and I

775
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: would like to see a motion picture film that would

776
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: be very good. Maybe we'll move to Bali full time.

777
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be nice? One day press covid. Finally, a

778
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: hobby is a hobby. You know, you get it no

779
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: monetary return for it. You might like making jewelry, so

780
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: you might do that just for funnel whatever. But the

781
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: message is nine to five doesn't have to be your everything.

782
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: So just remember that, guys and gals.

783
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we will post a link in the show

784
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: notes to an interview of Les talking about it, because

785
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: it explains it more articularly just in Georgia. But you

786
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: did it really well and it was actually a really

787
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: good interview to read through as well. So I think

788
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: that would be, you know, a little bonus something on

789
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: the side for you guys.

790
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on. Be Fomo plays a part in

791
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: a lot of our lives in many ways.

792
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: It does, indeed, career.

793
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: Wise, talk to me about it because I feel like

794
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: it does creep in there.

795
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: It does. I feel like we compare our journey to

796
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: that of other people, and we often do see people

797
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: who have these big careers and feel like that is

798
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: the goal or the dream or the expectation. But it's

799
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: not about what other people are doing. It's about what

800
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: you're doing. And some of my best friends don't want

801
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: a career. They want to be a mum and that

802
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: is so special and so nice, and I'm so grateful

803
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: that they're in positions where they're going to be able

804
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: to do that, and for me, that's what they should

805
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: be chasing. And I think that a lot of people

806
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: feel like those people with careers judge other people who

807
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: aren't doing the same thing as them or doing quote

808
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: as much as they are, and it's just not the case.

809
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: So something I've been talking about internally with the team,

810
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: but you're not in the team, Georgia, because you have

811
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: another job and you're never in the office. We don't

812
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: get my ra You're in the team, just not in

813
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: the office. It's very sad. But we've been talking about

814
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: how people above you will never look down on you.

815
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: It's always the people below you who are looking at

816
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: you and judging you. The people who are actually flying

817
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: in their careers, they don't have time to think about what.

818
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: They don't care, They really don't because they're focused on them,

819
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: and that's what you should be doing. The people who

820
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: have time for judgment and hate and making you feel

821
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: bad about your work, where do they have the time

822
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: for that, Where do they have the energy and why

823
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: are they contributing so much time and energy to that.

824
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: It's usually a reflection of their own insecurities and what

825
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: they're feeling inside, and it has absolutely nothing to do

826
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: with you. So I think it's really important to see that.

827
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: But in a world where social media is psycho even

828
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: platforms like LinkedIn, which we've been talking about, present a

829
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: really certain image of different industries and what it can

830
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: be really like to have a career in that space.

831
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: And I just think it's so hard to live in

832
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: a world where LinkedIn and Instagram and Facebook and literally

833
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: TikTok and every other social media platform popping up. It's

834
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: never someone's true experience, Like we only put things on

835
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: social media when we genuinely have time to do that,

836
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: and that's usually when we're having fun and it's a

837
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: highlight reel of what's going on in your life, not

838
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: the true experience of it. So I think we really

839
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: need to remember that. As much as I've said this

840
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: on the show before, I know it's hard. I do it.

841
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: I look at other people on Instagram and I'm like, Wow,

842
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: that's so cool. I wish I could do that, and

843
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: I sometimes have to take a step back and go, Nah,

844
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: that's not for me. I just want what they've got

845
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: because I've seen it so often. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

846
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you never see like the hours poured in

847
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 2: that they're you know, when they're trudging away, working hard,

848
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: getting up early, Like, you don't see that. You just

849
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 2: see the fun after work drinks.

850
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know exactly.

851
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: Alrighty, So to wrap today's show, Finding a career we

852
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: love is hard, but if you want to make the switch,

853
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: the best thing you can do is to gather as

854
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: much information you can about the new industry you're planning

855
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: on entering. Do your Google searches, find who you are,

856
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: chat to people who are in the industry, make the

857
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: most move to absolutely and what else. Volunteer if you

858
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: can as well.

859
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: If you're toes in the water of different industries in

860
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: different ways. Just because you think you want to work

861
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: in marketing doesn't mean you do. So go to the

862
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: industry events you know, volunteer for something, go talk to

863
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: people on LinkedIn, and actually understand what you're getting into

864
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: before you do, because a lot of us pick careers

865
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: based on what we assume the experience is going to

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