1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're joined as always by 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: journalists Kate Amy and Sophie Torba. Coming up on the 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: episode the disgusting fat shaming of former Miss Universe Australia 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers, when a size eight is considered too fat, 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: the science behind why women are attracted to dickheads, and 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: the fake tan campaign that's inundated our feeds. For first hour, 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: was your weekend, Amy? Well, my weekend was really busy 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: because it was Dale's thirty second birthday and I thought 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: it was hilarious just how differently boys do birthday parties 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: to girls. One. I thought it was sweet that he 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: was even organizing a birthday party. That surprised me. I 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: didn't think he would have a you know, like some 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: people just cut off having birthdays after the milestone. Ones. Well, 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: I asked him what the kind of theme of his 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: birthday was, and he said the theme was no fuss 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: and he was so he had his birthday at a 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: park nearby, and he was talking about getting sheets of 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: paper and putting food on that so the cleanup would 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: be easy. And I was like, I think I gonna 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: need to use some plates and some boards. I thought, 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: you meant like pieces of paper at restaurants as tablecloths, 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: well long pieces of paper, not like a four pieces 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: of paper, but literally nothing. So this was yesterday on Sunday, 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: and nothing was organized until that day. So we went 25 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: down to Audi at eleven o'clock and I've never been 26 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: to a supermarket before they've opened, and so I think 27 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: you'll be glad to hear I managed to wear my 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: shorts the right way, not inside out like you did 29 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: last time you went to Audi. And yeah, it was 30 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: interesting crowd there. I was. I thought everything was cheaper, 31 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: but his shop was hilarious. He just like grabbed things 32 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: and threw them into the trolley. But I think there 33 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: was plenty of food and it did end up being 34 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: a really nice day. I have to say, I've never 35 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: felt so young at a birthday party. Like everyone was there, 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,279 Speaker 1: who everyone there was so lovely, but they all had kids, 37 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: and I don't know, it just made me feel like 38 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: one of the cool kids there with not having any children. 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: My highlight of the party, so I was when I 40 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: introduced you to some of Dale's friend's partners and one 41 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: of them had a dog and their baby was there, 42 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: and so I was like, oh, my god, it's so cute. 43 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: And I thought she was talking about the baby, but 44 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: she was talking about the dog. Well. I think Sophie's 45 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: line at the end of the party summed it up. 46 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: She said, I found out a few things about myself 47 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: at the party. One I'm not ready to have kids, 48 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: and two but I'm ready to have a dog. It 49 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: is an important life decision. I think what was funny 50 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: this weekend was comparing Dale's thirty second birthday to our 51 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: relative's twenty first birthday that we did not get invited to. Now, 52 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: she had a tennis theme party, retro tennis, retro tennis 53 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: theme party, and I really hope she's not listening to me. 54 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: We're in trouble. But we didn't get an invite to 55 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: the party, so I don't think we're already crossed off invitation. 56 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: Seeing I thought you were supposed to invite family to 57 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: twenty first, well not this twenty first, So I can 58 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: kind of see why the family didn't get invited for 59 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: numerous reasons. It probably must be fully discussed on our podcast, 60 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: but I think we were all alarmed, weren't we about 61 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: some of the photographs going up? Are we able to 62 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 1: discuss it? There is a said photograph of we won't 63 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: name who's in it, but there was a couple in 64 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: the photo and one of the members of the said 65 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: couple had her ass out with a G string on, 66 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: so a G string so thin that it was like 67 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: my mum thought she didn't have any nikas on. And 68 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: I think we should put this in perspective. So, because 69 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: it was tennis themed, this individual had a skirt on, 70 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: so one of those kind of short skirts it might 71 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: blow up, and so she was wearing said G string 72 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: under this skirt. And so the photo is of the 73 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: couple standing there and this girl has her back to 74 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: the camera sort of face turned, and the other person 75 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: in this couple is holding up her skirt her full 76 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: ass out. I actually was the first person out of 77 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: all of us to see the photo, and I teared upstairs. 78 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: Brannon was in the shower. I opened the door and 79 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: I said, I'm sorry, but you've got to see this, 80 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: and his face was pride. Can I asked though, because 81 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: it was posted as an Instagram story, but if it 82 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: had been in the feed, could it have been taken 83 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: down by Facebook for nudity? I think it should have 84 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: been from the person's in the story, he said, individual 85 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: has taken it down. Also, what shocked me about this 86 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: twenty first birthday party was the parents. So our auntie 87 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: and uncle were there, who was so lovely, and they 88 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: were forced into taking shots at the party. The story 89 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: of them taking shots, you can tell our uncle was 90 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: hating every single I feel like we sound so old 91 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: because we're not very wild, Like we've never been big drinkers. 92 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: So at our twenty first I don't even think any 93 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: of us had an alcoholic drink at all. So our 94 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: parents weren't forced to take shots. They actually were very 95 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: sweet and little speech. Mum would have had a Madori 96 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: shot though. Has this given us any ideas for our 97 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: thirty first birthday? Maybe we should do a retro theme. 98 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: Unfortunately we don't have our own tennis court though, so 99 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: that kind of bit. Maybe a photo where we've all 100 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: got our bums out instead, a bit of attention break 101 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: the internet. I said to Mum. I was like, if 102 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: I put a photo up from day's birthday party of 103 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: me standing next to him with my bum out with 104 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: a g string, like, how would that actually be acceptable? Yeah? 105 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: I do wonder how many times that image was forwarded 106 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 1: in the dm section. Can you screenshoted, Can you guys 107 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: dm us and tell us if you've ever seen anything 108 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: quite obscene, because I mean, there's all these people who 109 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: post photos of themselves breastfeeding and they get removed. But 110 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: I suppose that a lot of girls do post photos 111 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: in g string like babies. This I think the connection 112 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: between the couple and the plane because she was trying 113 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: to like make out with her, so it was a 114 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: bit sex. It was a bit too sexual. I felt 115 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: a softcore porn. I do remember another cousin telling us 116 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: about maybe we're not in the age group where people 117 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: do this, but our little cousin who's also twenty one, 118 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: he said that there were girls on his incestore on 119 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: a Friday night just flashing their tits at a restaurant, 120 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: so maybe we're just too old. There's also the guys 121 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: that do the Nathan and Daniel from We Can Be 122 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: Heroes thing and have their sneak if that makes me 123 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: feel sick. The amount of photos have been shown of that, 124 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not interested. It looks disgusting. I feel 125 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: like we could talk about this all day, but I 126 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: think we better move on to our first topic, which 127 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: I think is also serious before we lose any family 128 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: members as well. Well. With the start of a new decade, 129 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: many hope twenty twenty would be the year to ditch 130 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: diet culture, with many writers, researchers, bloggers, and influencers working 131 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 1: tirelessly to promote body positivity. In twenty nineteen, it finally 132 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: looked like we were getting somewhere. Yet less than three 133 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: weeks into the new year and a number of the 134 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: world's biggest influencers have been fat shamed online after sharing 135 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: bikini photos on their Instagram accounts. Kate, can you tell 136 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: us what unfolded on the weekend? Well, I was very 137 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: appalled by this. As normal, on Friday night, I was 138 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: scrolling through my feed. I saw a beautiful photo of 139 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers in a white bikini, and I love the 140 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: fact she'd pointed out that her fate was a little 141 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: bit flaky. Who cannot relate to that? Anyway, I didn't 142 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: think much of it, kept scrolling through my feed. Later 143 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: that night I saw a post that Olivia pool on 144 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: her story saying that some sick individual had messaged her 145 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: saying she was too fat to be on Instagram. Well, 146 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: they also said you're too fat. You should take this down. 147 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: And Olivia screenshot this DM and posted on her Instagram, 148 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: and then she followed it up with a second story 149 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: because the initial one said I don't really quite know 150 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: what to say at this point in time, and she 151 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: is someone who has become an advocate on body positivity 152 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: and also mental health, so I think she wanted her 153 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: message back to be quite thought out. She wrote back, 154 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: People who comment things like that are a big part 155 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: of the reason that young girls develop issues with their 156 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: weight and their bodies. They are a big part of 157 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: the reason I had an eating disorder for six years. 158 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: I am a size eight, which usually is irrelevant to 159 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: the conversation. But if I'm being called fat as a 160 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 1: size eight, imagine your size ten, twelve, fourteen, sixteen, eighteen 161 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: women and the comments they receive. It is absolutely disgusting, disgraceful. 162 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: Right now, I don't even have the right words describe 163 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: how I'm feeling, which I think is how most people 164 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: felt when they saw that, Like, it's unbelievable. She is 165 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: such a stunning person, And that's not even the point 166 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: of it. The point of it is, why can't like 167 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: how is that going to make anyone else feel like 168 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: for me, I'm asie A and I still don't feel 169 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: comfortable posting pictures of myself in beavers because of trolls 170 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: like this. I was gonna say, that's such a good 171 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: point because it kind of goes back to our discussion 172 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: in an earlier podcast about how when influencers talk about 173 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: different surgeries they're getting and it makes you reflect on 174 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: your own body and feel bad about something you have. 175 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: You know, when they're fixing something that's amazing. And Olivia 176 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: is so stunning. I mean, I can't see anything that's 177 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: apparently wrong with her, so it does make you question 178 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: is it just tall poppy syndrome. The thing that interests 179 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: me about Olivia Rogers is the fact that this isn't 180 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: the first time she's received these sort of messages, And 181 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: I think it comes back to the fact that she 182 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: was a Miss Universe contestant, And I think there is 183 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: some sick ideology in our culture that we think a 184 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: Miss Universe contestant has to look a certain way, she 185 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: has to be stick thin, she has to have fake 186 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: boobs because she's copped comments about her breasts before as well. 187 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: And I think Olivia has been great in pushing back 188 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: on that image by cutting her hair. That's the first 189 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: thing she did when her Miss Universe rain was over. 190 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: She said, no, I want to have short hair. That's 191 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: a good point and it also made me think is 192 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: it someone that's close to her that's sending her these 193 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: messages because she's been pretty vocal about the fact that 194 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: she's had an eating disorder, So you know, I don't 195 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: think some random troll would be going through thinking that 196 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: message that her photo is unattractive. I think it's more targeted. 197 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: I think it could be someone that is jealous of her, 198 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: that feels the need to tear her down because I 199 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: think her life looks so great on Instagram, which it does, 200 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: but she is again also very open about her own 201 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: mental struggles and you know, I think she keeps it 202 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: pretty real. It is an important point that Amy touched 203 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: on before, is this tall poppy syndrome. And in Australia, 204 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: I feel like we are very much guilty of doing 205 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: that to influences. I mean, another one who's recently come 206 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: out is Molly May, who has been slammed by trolls 207 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: and criticized for gaining weight after she was on Love 208 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: Island UK, and I don't know if you guys saw 209 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: the photo that emerged, but it was during a Pretty 210 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: Little Things campaign. She was wearing a white bikini and 211 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: to me, it just looked like a great size eight body, 212 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: which she actually says she's a UK size six. And 213 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: the thing that disturbed me yet again in this story 214 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: is that Molly May has been quite vocal in saying 215 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: that she had issues with eating and over exercising before 216 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: going into the villa and we're praying on these people 217 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: yet again. Well with that image, it didn't actually look 218 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: like Molly May. I think it was one of those 219 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: bad paparazzi style shots where she wasn't actually posing in 220 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: the bather's It was kind of just when you're sort 221 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: of relaxed. And that's a crazy thing that people can 222 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: look so different at different angles. And Sarah Holloway has 223 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: shown that a numerous Instagram posts that personally made me 224 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: seeing Sarah Holloway's posts feel so much better, because you know, 225 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: when you look at yourself, like, as I said, none 226 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: of us are like all of us are size eight, 227 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: So I feel bad, you know, like I don't want 228 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: anyone to think that if they're bigger than a size eight. 229 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: But it's just your own personal feeling, like sometimes you 230 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: just don't feel confident in bathers no matter what size 231 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: you are, and you know, sometimes when you sit down, 232 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: like everyone has a little bit of a stomach. So 233 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: it was great personally for someone that's not really overly 234 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: confident to be strutting around in bathers to see that. 235 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: Do you know? I loved Molly May's partner Tommy, who 236 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: she was on the show with. He hit back saying 237 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: that people only write these things because they're jealous. If 238 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: you take notice of them, then you're a full You 239 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: might as well go and listen to the giraffes in 240 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: the zoo. And what a great comment from a boyfriend 241 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: is that. Well, I love Tommy. I was gonna say. 242 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: It seems like in society that we're happy to support 243 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: somebody when they're a bit downtrodden, you know, like with 244 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: Olivia Rogers, she had a bit of a following before 245 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: she was in Miss Universe, and I think people loved her, 246 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: like we knew about her because she did her fantastic artwork. 247 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: She was an Adelaide girl. She's stunning, and I feel 248 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: like people are willing to support somebody when they're the underdog. 249 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: For example, if you look at Angie Kent, everyone loved 250 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: Angie when she was on goggle Box. When she went 251 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: on I'm a Celebrity, everyone was kind of like, oh, 252 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: but then I think they loved her personality. When she 253 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: got Cass as a bachelorette, that's when sort of the 254 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: clause started coming out. And now she's on Dancing with 255 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: the Stars, people are saying, oh, we can't. You're fame hungry. 256 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: Who would give up the opportunity of being on Dancing 257 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: with the Stars. Why is it suddenly like Angie has 258 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: not changed as a person. She's been funny, she's been 259 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: great on the Bachelorette, but we're so quick to turn 260 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: around and criticize her because I feel like society is 261 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: happy to tear people down when they perceive it they're 262 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: too thick. They build them up just to drag them down. Well, 263 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: that is the exact definition of to all poppy syndrome. 264 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: It's when someone has too much success, this ingrained feeling 265 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: that they need to be cut down to size. And 266 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: as you say, this is exactly what is happening in 267 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: this scenario. The worst thing about body shaming is it 268 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: does leave to this comparison online. So if we're all 269 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: being told that Olivia Rodgers is a size eight, isn't 270 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: good enough? How we all feeling when where to go 271 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: and put up a photo online? And the thing that 272 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: I do find quite interesting is I think you touched 273 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: on it before, Kate. I feel like in twenty twenty, 274 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: we were trying to move away from these very much 275 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: curated images and try and put more real images online, 276 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: and then this beautiful girl is being teared down for 277 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: doing so. That's the thing that pissed me off because 278 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: you know, when I was scrolling through my feet and 279 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: saw the photo, I was like, that's cool. It's obviously 280 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: not an image that they've taken with lighting, and she's 281 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: done her tan especially, and it's all post It was 282 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: just literally a kind of casual photo. She looks amazing. 283 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: I didn't think anything. But what I want to know 284 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: is there seems to have been this boom of big accounts, 285 00:13:54,840 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: like you know, Jeorde, and she does her Jade, she 286 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: does her real account, and it seems like she's praised 287 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: for putting up shots of her without makeup on and 288 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: wearing daggy clothes, which I really like, I enjoy watching 289 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: her account, but it seems as soon as you put 290 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,479 Speaker 1: said photo on the actual feed that it's still required 291 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: to be ultra curated and filtered. Whereas if you put 292 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: your you know, like Olivia's put up no makeup stuff 293 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: on her story and I just feel like it seems 294 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: to be more accepted on the story, but as soon 295 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: as you put it on the feed, that's when everyone 296 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: starts being assholes. It is really interesting to look at 297 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: the psychology behind fat shaming, and what they're saying is 298 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: that when we're upset, annoyed, or intiminated by something, instead 299 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: of actually acknowledging that we're feeling these things, instead it's 300 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: easier for us to shoot someone down. I feel like 301 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: it is important to acknowledge the reason why people are 302 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: actually doing this because then it may help stop it. 303 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: What if it's going to help stop it, because I 304 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: think these people are always going to be out there. 305 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: I think it's how we take their messaging on board 306 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: and how we support the person that's received the awful message. 307 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: Is it just me or does anyone else hate the 308 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: term fat shaming? Because even in our intro, when we 309 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: connect the word fat shaming with Olivia Rogers. It's almost 310 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: saying she's fat and people are shaming her, and she's 311 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: not fat. That's what I don't like about the word 312 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: fat shaming, and I just think it is so dangerous 313 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: when we look at the women who are being fat 314 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: shamed because they are women who have spoken about their 315 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: eating disorders in the past. They're not even fat exactly, 316 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: and also they have enviable bodies that people actually are 317 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: aiming for. So it's like, well, if my body doesn't 318 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: look like that, then what are the ramifications for that 319 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: person that even sees you know, Olivia's message posting about 320 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: them being called fat, and you think about the women 321 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: who are on social media who might be in a 322 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: bigger size. I mean, we're talking about Olivia Rodgers, who 323 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: size eight, and this is the type of crap she gets. 324 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: Imagine the people who actually have, you know, a voluptuous figure, 325 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: Imagine what crap they're getting if this size eight is 326 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: deemed not good enough. And I think people should have 327 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: a think about as well. Well. I feel like people 328 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: think that these people are just untouchable and don't have feelings, 329 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: like if any of us copped those comments. I just 330 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: can't even imagine I probably couldn't get out of bed. 331 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: It would be so upsetting, because I mean, I'm very sensitive. 332 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: I do take things on board like that, but I mean, 333 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: and we're also talking about someone who has spoken about 334 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: their struggles with depression and suicidal. People are just absolute 335 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: troll The Jokoba is if she'd posted a photo of 336 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: her looking ultra skinny, like a size six, people would 337 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: have been the e a beggar or you know. I 338 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: feel like she can never be right when you're attractive. 339 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: I feel like you can never do things properly. Last year, 340 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: I remember she posted a photo when someone said, oh, 341 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: you've got no tits? Like, what is wrong with people 342 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: because they're jealous? One last point, I do recall Olivia 343 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: Rodgers talking about how in the past people have criticized 344 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: her when she's spoken out and she's talked about body positivity. 345 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: She's been told that she's too thin and pretty to 346 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: have an opinion, and now she's told she's too fat. 347 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: So it's just ridiculous. I think we're all in agreeance 348 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: that disgusting and that that person should take a good 349 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: heart look at themselves. Moving on to the pit and 350 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: peak of our social media week and Our first one 351 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: is from influencer Talia Scanes. Now, have you guys seen 352 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: her recent YouTube video? I have? I loved it. I 353 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: haven't seen it. Yeah, I was trying to catch up 354 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: on Sarah's Day yesterday afternoon. I'll be watching it tonight, 355 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: I think now. For regular listeners of the podcast, we 356 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: have dissected Tarlia Scane's YouTube videos before, but this was 357 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: a bit of a fun one, a a bit of 358 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: a trash one, if we'll say that. Sorry, they're all trash. 359 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: In the video, Talia and her boyfriend Mitchell caught the 360 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: moment on camera when they found out they got accepted 361 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: for their new apartment. And this apartment is incredible. It 362 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: is right on the beach front. How insane was the view. 363 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: I just want to know how they can afford it, 364 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: That's the whole thing I was thinking. I'm like, is 365 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: it a rental or did they buy? It's a rental? Oh, 366 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: thank goodness. Does anyone know what her boyfriend does for work? No, 367 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: he does have a trade type car, but I don't 368 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: know if he is a trade The house is incredible. 369 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: I was surprised how many shots they were showing from 370 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: the balcony because you could actually easily identify where the 371 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: house was if you're a store car. But those apartments 372 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: have pretty good security. My thought was, it's funny that 373 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: they're renting, but they could afford to buy a villa 374 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: in Barley. We were My boyfriend friend and I were 375 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: laughing about that, the fact they do have a villa. First, 376 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: I enjoyed watching them deck the house out, though it 377 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: looked like no stone was left unturned, like you know 378 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: when your first normal people first move into a house 379 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, better not get that. They just 380 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: got everything at once. If I was gonna say, to 381 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: be fair, they did get everything from Kmar and Ikia 382 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: wasn't really high end. They did go to that kind 383 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: of interior design place to get some of their more 384 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: upscale piece. It was some, it was some other I 385 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: think to be fair, I think it was because this 386 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 1: is the first time both of them had moved out, 387 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: so they literally had nothing, But it was I love 388 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: any moving vlogs, probably one of my favorite type of logs, 389 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: and it's even better when it's someone that's moving to 390 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: it like a luxurious location. Can you imagine if we 391 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: filmed when we moved the last time from grange to year. God, 392 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: it was the most disorganized chaos. Like we had a meeting, 393 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: so mum and dad let themselves in at our house beforehand, 394 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: and Mum decided to clean out the fridge, but like 395 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: smashed a jar of pickles or something and it was 396 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: just like food on the floor and it's stung. It 397 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: was very nice. I had to help, Yes, it was. 398 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: I just remember the worst bit being my boyfriend Reese, 399 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: who wasn't my boyfriend at the time, but he'd come 400 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: over and help move. He was rather confusing, was yes, 401 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: but he was like I was like all nervous because 402 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: he was there and he decided to help mum and 403 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: dad get the washing machine out and I just looked 404 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: down and there's a pile of dirty underpants face up, 405 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: and I was like, holy shit. Anyway, I think that 406 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: was a company with a bit of cat shit as well. Anyway, 407 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: on that note, we should probably move on to the 408 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: pit of the week. And I discovered sorry, so your 409 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: peak of the week. So when social media was watching 410 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: Tylius Gaines move, it was it was maybe that's an 411 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: indictment on how sad my week was. Now the pit 412 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: for me was this will be those who listened last week, 413 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: they would know that I have discovered new YouTuber Anastacia 414 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: kings North and she has also released a podcast which 415 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: sadly I have been listening to as well. It's not 416 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: as good as this one, No it is not. But 417 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: they've actually hit number twelve on the British charts for 418 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: a podcast called Entirely Accurate. And I'm not surprised. So 419 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: if you were so surprised, they've got millions of followers 420 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: behind them and probably all eleven year old girls. I 421 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: wasn't surprised, Sophie, to be honest, I love Anastasia, but 422 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: the content is just not great. And she has teamed 423 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: up with fellow YouTubers Byron Denton and a girl called 424 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: has Well. Basically, in the clip, they are discussing the 425 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: bushfires and they sound very uneducated about them, saying how 426 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: sad it is. But then the girl has she's planning 427 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: a trip to Australia and basically she said, oh, it's 428 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: okay though, because I'm going to Sydney because most of 429 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: the bushfires are happening in New South Wales. Wow, they 430 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: really need some geography lessons. I wonder if they obviously 431 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: don't teach that on YouTube? Do though? To be fair, though, 432 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: she's got a point. If she's staying in Sydney, she's 433 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: not going to be affected. She's not staying in country 434 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: New Southware But I think she thought New South Wales 435 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: was another town. Maybe the producers needed to step into 436 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: that podcast, because I'm sure it's probably some huge company 437 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: that has them one just google it. They've got their hand, 438 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: they've got their phones attached to their hands. Oh we 439 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: expecting too much from someone who makes a living eating 440 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: McDonald's on YouTube? Is it? Maybe? Maybe? To be fair, 441 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying that this podcast was the pit of my week. 442 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: But they did redeem themselves with their segment on poos, 443 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: so that was one times out for apparently one of 444 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: the girls she thought she did a soft fart in 445 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: front of her boyfriend but ended up pulling her pants. 446 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: So how do you do that? I ask? How that 447 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: wasn't the pit of the podcast? And I enjoyed it. 448 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: So let's move swiftly along from that toilet talk into 449 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: what is feeling our feeds this week? Now? For one, 450 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: I know my feed has been absolutely inundated with the 451 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: new Bondai sands, which I'm gonna just disclaim it. I 452 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: really really want to go by. I was a bit 453 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: pissed off because I bought a Jennifer Hawkins Jay Bronze Tan, 454 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: which was fifty percent off, and then I found out 455 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: this new tan was coming out. I was like, damn it, 456 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: it's actually the new Aero Ultra Dark Tan. And I 457 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: was absolutely frothing the news when this came out because 458 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: I have found that their tents are not dark enough. 459 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm constantly having to do a second like I've got 460 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: a theory though. I feel like the original Aero tan 461 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: worked really well, but then it didn't start working quite 462 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: as well. Do you think they purposely do it? Can 463 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: I just say you've rocked up to family dinner on 464 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: numerous occasions looking like you've come from out of space. 465 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: You've been so dark or rollering in bag of that 466 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: is the guiding tan, and Stephan the Sharon that comes 467 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: bit fair. So for you are very tent, it doesn't 468 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: work on me. I feel like I need to put 469 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: more layers on. I'm so what I actually think the 470 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: tip is that you've got to marinate in it for 471 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: a long time. I'd like to say that I get 472 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: into bed, into my cocoon and it just kind of 473 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: I just marinate. Well, anyway, in terms of this Tan, 474 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: they had the best influences on board. They had Steph 475 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: cleare Smith, Sarah's Day and even Sammy Robinson to name that. 476 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: They would say seem also was there with the big 477 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: tits out for it. Wow, how much money would they 478 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: be dropping on that campaign? Well, Steph is the face. 479 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: So I went on the Daily Mail having brows as 480 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: you do, and there was like a paid article about 481 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: the Tan and then the whole page, like the around 482 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: the article was filled with like Steph Clere Smith and 483 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: the Tan. It was just a huge marketing campaign. I 484 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: would love to know how much it costs them. Well, 485 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: if I was in the doing the pr or the 486 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: marketing fullball dicentse, they would be the top influences I 487 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: would engauge and they must be seeing amazing return, well 488 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: bang for their buck. In terms of getting these girls off, well, 489 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: I mean just say so. My own personal response, as 490 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: soon as I heard them talking about it, I was like, Fuck, 491 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: I've got to get it. Plus they said it was 492 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: forty percent off for the next couple of days. I'm like, 493 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: I need to go to price line is it. Yes, 494 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm the worse, Like because Sarah's Day started talking about 495 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: it a few days before the announcement and I was 496 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: actually hanging out for Sunday for them to announce what 497 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: it was. I was like, what is it? Like? What 498 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: is this new wonderful ten that's gonna save me? I 499 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: must be so different because I don't really get swayed 500 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 1: by that kind of stuff, Like I would just rock 501 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: up to price Line and then I'll probably just ask 502 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: one of you guys which tan am I meant to get, 503 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: and normally I'd buy the wrong one. This campaign did 504 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: remind me very much of Mac's recent campaign when they 505 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: brought out the lipsticks for thirty dollars. It did, but 506 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: it didn't give me the same excitement because I can 507 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: get them for free if I save six bottles. But 508 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: just the way it was rolled out, like everyone at 509 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: this it was like clockwork the way these two campaigns 510 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: were rolled out. Okay, so we know Sophie and I 511 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: go into price line after this, but what is our 512 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: next topic? That was filling up your feed? So did 513 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: anyone this week? See how the Fire Festival promoter Andy 514 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: King has teamed up with Evian to produce this new 515 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: water campaign. I loved this so much. This is absolute 516 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: great marketing from them, Like talk about going viral. So 517 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: for those who haven't seen the Netflix documentary, he became 518 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: quite well known because there was a truckload of heavy 519 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: and water that was destined for the festival and it 520 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: was being held at the border and this guy, he 521 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: said that he was willing to meet with a local 522 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: customs agent and fully prepared to give him a blowjob 523 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: to get the shipment of water. Well, wasn't it wasn't 524 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: it implied that he was instructed to do this. They 525 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: just said, do whatever it takes. And I assume he 526 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: was gay, so they thought he could do it. Can 527 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: I just say it's taken Sophie about three attempts to 528 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: get the word evy on correct, which we'll all of 529 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: those words you look at and you don't really know 530 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: anyway that the absolute gold bit is that the new 531 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: slogan of this water is so good you do anything 532 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: for it. That's so clear. I just want to say 533 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: hats off for them for actually getting on board with 534 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: that joke, because that's fantastic. And lastly, one thing that 535 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: was filling up my news feed this week was the 536 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: disgusting treatment of YouTuber Sarah's day. So Sarah raised some 537 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: I think it was about four hundred thousand dollars for 538 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: four different charities for the Bushfire appeal, and she went 539 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: to her local bank to go and donate this money, 540 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: and it was just problem after problem. First, she couldn't 541 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: donate over eighty two thousand dollars from each account because 542 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: that was apparently how much she could donate in a day. 543 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: And then they questioned her about is that really what 544 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: you want to donate? And they seem to speak down 545 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: to her, and I think it's just because she looks 546 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: quite young. I should have been there as her biggest 547 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: fan and just been like, do you know who she is? 548 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: She's here to donate her money, fuckhead. But it's a typical, 549 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: as Sam Mangan was a Karen behavior from a forty 550 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: year old woman at a bank that would be like 551 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: ling showing that you want d make The thing that 552 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: tipped off her tears was though that some troll contacted 553 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: her and said we all know that you're not You're 554 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: stolen this money and you're not really donating it. What 555 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: I found interesting about the whole thing because she sort 556 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: of went through this process and she updated everybody on 557 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: her insta story. What was interesting is you can you 558 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: think of all the people that are donating money. There's 559 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, fifty million that Celeste Barber's donating and all 560 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. It seems like it's very hard 561 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: to actually get a hold of some of these charities 562 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: to donate the money, and you know these people are 563 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: doing the right thing, and then it's incredibly hard to 564 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: get those funds to those specific people. Well, good on 565 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: Saysey's day and stuff the haters because we think she's 566 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: doing an amazing job. And now moving on, Kier Maguire 567 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: has set tongues wagging as she was spotted kissing and 568 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: flirting with Australian tennis brat Bernard Tomic. The canoodling has 569 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: sparked the age old question why are women attracted to dickheads? 570 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: Did anyone see this? This kind of shocked me. I 571 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: haven't seen anything about it, but it does shock me 572 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: that she'd be interested. Isn't Bernardtomic a lot younger than 573 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: she went out with Jared? No, but I mean in 574 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: terms of age different. No, Well, I actually had a look. 575 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: Kira is thirty three and Bernard is twenty nine. I 576 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: was shocked that he was twenty nine. God, he's had 577 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: a very failed tennis career. So these photos with them 578 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: like fully all over each other, it was really gross 579 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: because I mean, I don't like him. Amy. I feel 580 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: like we've got a little side story to tell about 581 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: Bernard Tomic and his antics. Can you fill us in? Yeah, Well, 582 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: about five years ago, Kate soph nine and our best 583 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: friend Olwin were on a girl's trip in Melbourne, and 584 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: this was right before the Australian Open started, and being 585 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: huge tennis fans, we decided to get a tour of 586 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: the Austrai Open venue. So we went in Rod Lavern 587 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: and Margaret caught all those kind of things. And I 588 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: had heard that Anna Ivanovitch was going to be on 589 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: the practice courts and she was my favorite at the time. 590 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: And anyway, we rushed over and we saw it was 591 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: Bernard Tomic and I've always disliked Bernard Tomic, so I 592 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: was like, ugh. So anyway, we were walking past and 593 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, girls, would you like a photo with me? 594 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: Like he actually like we did not show any interest, 595 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: and we were thinking, okay, we don't want to be rude. 596 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: So we're like, oh, yeah, we'll have a photo. So 597 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: I took the photo and then he says, so are 598 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: you girls going to be here for the Australian Open 599 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: And we said, oh, we're actually going back to Adelaide tonight, 600 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: and he said, well would you like to come? You 601 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: can come and sit in my box. I've got tickets 602 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: and we were just like, oh, I don't know if 603 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: we'll be able to get here, but okay, and he said, 604 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: be fair, we weren't going to turn down free tickets 605 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: to be Australia. And he was playing Fanano. No no, he 606 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: had been drawn to play Rafael Nadal. I thought it 607 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: was Feranano because then Nadal ended up having an injury 608 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,719 Speaker 1: and Bernard ended up going on to win. But anyway, 609 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: so he said, oh, can I have one of your 610 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: numbers and I'll send the details through anyway. I wasn't 611 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: expecting to hear anything any messaged being like, oh, hey, 612 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: if you'd still like to come, I can get tickets 613 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: and we could have a penthouse party. And we were 614 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: like new, that's so we drew the line. And I 615 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: think doubt that there was all these issues at this 616 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: penthouse party. So we went to the penthouse party, but 617 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, we just we didn't go. I mean, it 618 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: just sounded like some kind of sleazy kind of thing. 619 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: But obviously a lot of women probably do accept those invitations. Well, 620 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: exactly right, and this sort of when I saw Kira 621 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: and Bernard Tomic together, I was like, what is it 622 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: with women dating dickheads? Not to be rude, but he 623 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: seems like a bit of a dick So there is 624 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: some science behind it. So when we were referring to dighead, 625 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: there's the more scientific word is responsive. So sad boy, no, No. 626 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: In this study, it was whether someone was responsive to 627 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: you or unresponsive. So basically a scenario that most of 628 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: us have faced. We go on a first date with 629 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: a guy, we have a really good time, We text 630 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: him say thanks, thanks for the date, love to catch 631 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: up soon, and there's no response or the response doesn't 632 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: come for like a couple of days, and they're very 633 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: like nonchalant about it. So that is what we call 634 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: a bit of a dickhead. So apparently this study was 635 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: done and it basically showed that men like women to 636 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: be responsive. They kind of see that as feminine, whereas 637 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: on the other hand, women see that as a kind 638 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: of like again feminine trait, and they actually psychologically prefer 639 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: a bit of a chase and a bit of it 640 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: to be a bit tough to get onto the person. Now, 641 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: not in the case of Bernatomic, I'm not trying to 642 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: bag him, but it generally the bad boys are pretty hot, 643 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: and I feel like it's they give you a little 644 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: bit and then they take it away. Well, that's the 645 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: whole part of this attraction to people that are unresponsive 646 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: to you. And I think we've all been there. I mean, 647 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: I look back at my past relationship with an absolute dickhead, 648 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: and it really was like they give you a tiny 649 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: bit and then leaves you like wanting more and you're 650 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: even more responsive to them, which they like, and then 651 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: in turn you like that they're being like non responsive. 652 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: It'sn't it the age old thing of traina meine, keep 653 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,239 Speaker 1: them keen kind of thing. Well, it's kind of like 654 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: if someone it's kind of like this power balance. Suddenly, 655 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: when someone seems better than you, you feel like you 656 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: gotta work and it's kind of exciting to get them. Also, 657 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: girls don't really like ultra responsive guys. You know, the 658 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: guy that's like really like too nice, and they kind 659 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: of feel like they're being a little bit minipilloid because 660 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: they might want something, so they might be stucking up 661 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: to you because they are trying to sleep with you, 662 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: or it's that psychology. Though, when somebody is too keen, 663 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: it puts you off. That's like I remember when I 664 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: first met my boyfriend Brandon, and Kate kept telling me, oh, 665 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: he's super keen, like really likes he, really likes you. 666 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: And then it wasn't until I heard him talking about 667 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: another girl and a date that he'd gone on, when 668 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: I was suddenly like, wait a second, Well, there are 669 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: these guys that I've dated that I didn't even really like. 670 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: And then as soon as they turned into a dickheadom 671 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,719 Speaker 1: of being like a little bit vague and not replying 672 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: as much, that's when I got hooked. Like it's just 673 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: actually quite sickening. It's so illogical, but when you think 674 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: about the science behind it, it really does make sense. Now. 675 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: I shout out to our mum, who always listens. I 676 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: think she had always liked a bad boy, beginning back 677 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: about she met our dad. Apparently, Dad, I'm sure he'd 678 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: love us telling this story. But when he was younger. Apparently, 679 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: Mum and dad were at a party and didn't he 680 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: hit somebody or something and he was beating up some 681 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: guy and Mom thought it was a bit awful, but 682 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: then she got to know the guy better and realized 683 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: he was absolutely a bit of a Yeah, and Mom 684 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: asked Dad out, well exactly, so she was chasing Dad. 685 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: Dad liked being chased, and the rest is history. It's 686 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: O Kate, that's probably where you previously got your taste 687 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: of liking dickheads from from Mom. Yeah, well I think 688 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: there's I mean, it's not necessarily a dickhead like I 689 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: suppose with you know, my current boyfriend, there was always 690 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: a bit of a chase as well, so and he's 691 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: not a dickhead. It is fascinating because we do have 692 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: an acquaintance who continually cheats on their girlfriends, yet he 693 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: is always left with someone. It's gross. It's so gross. 694 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: So he is suddenly the appealing person despite the fact 695 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: that he's cheated and being a complete dirt bad he's misunderstood, 696 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: to be honest, I think it depends how attractive you 697 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: are what girls will put up with. If you're somebody 698 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: who's not got a lot going for you. Like with 699 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: Bernard Tomic, I think the appeal is it he's a 700 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: professional tennis player. He's obviously quite wealthy, so he probably 701 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: does do the whole bad boy thing for Kurra. But 702 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: in terms of this acquaintance, this guy's quite attractive, and 703 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: I feel like he prays on girls who are older 704 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 1: than him that seem a bit more like they're wanting 705 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: a relationship. But also, as a girl, you always think 706 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: that you're going to be the one that changes that guy, 707 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: that you're going to be the one that's different, makes 708 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: him different, and it's different with you and all these 709 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: other girls are just you know, notches on his belt. 710 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: And he does a competitive element. I feel like anytime 711 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: there's something there's some element of competitiveness, girls go crazy 712 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: and they want to win that fight, regardless of what 713 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: a dickhead this person is. Yeah, the big factor is 714 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: though that these dickheads or bad boys, they do play 715 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: on the fact of making women feel insecure, so women 716 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: will accept things that they won't normally accept. And it's 717 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: almost like you're driven crazy by this insecurity. So you know, 718 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: if you can't have them, you don't want anyone else 719 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: to have them. As well, did anyone else find that 720 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 1: when they were dating, said dickheads, that they just felt 721 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 1: anxious about their phone? Like I remember, you'd like shoot 722 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: off a message and then waiting like hours and hours, 723 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: and then like and then you finally get it, and 724 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: it's sort of like a little drug. You're like, oh, 725 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: they finally replied, and then you have to think out 726 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: how much time you're gonna reply it, and then you're like, oh, 727 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: maybe I should reply, like within half an hour. So 728 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: then they reply, and then they don't, and then it's 729 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: just this whole game again. I think it suddenly makes 730 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: it obvious, though, when somebody doesn't treat you like that, 731 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: that they actually really like you, and that that person 732 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: never really liked you or cared about you to treat 733 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: you like that. I think it's I think it's not 734 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: that they necessarily didn't care about you. I think it's 735 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 1: that they're immature and a game player, and that they're 736 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: there to clearly make you feel insecure so they win 737 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: this said game. I don't know. I don't know because 738 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: with the whole you know, talking about this acquaintance who 739 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: cheat all the time, and these girls around him seem 740 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: to think that that he really truly cares. I think 741 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: to treat anybody like that, I'm not talking about just 742 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: the text messages, but maybe in terms of the cheating, 743 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: you really can't care that much about the person. To 744 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 1: be honest, he's an old ball and a different kettle 745 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: of fish. Well, I do agree, like now that I'm 746 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: in a relationship with someone that's actually, you know, so 747 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: nice and it's really good, it does shine a light 748 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 1: on all the negative relationship or dating experiences that you've 749 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: had and you realize that maybe they just weren't that 750 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: into you, because I don't think they're going to play 751 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: games with you if they actually really like you. Also, 752 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: I mean the person you're referring to, Kate, your previous relationship. 753 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: I think we need a whole bloody podcast episode on 754 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 1: that one, because I feel like people would be interested 755 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: to hear all the ins and outs. Because he was 756 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: practically associopath, I would say and aged if anybody and 757 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: other issues. Well, I wasn't just talking about him. There 758 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: are other guys that I've dated that have been like 759 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: that too, not as bad as him, But yeah, do 760 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 1: you think it's Do you think there's an element of 761 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: professional athletes being bad boys? As well. They seem to 762 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: get labeled. Oh they're the biggest bad boys of them all, 763 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: because they've got the whole they've got the whole field 764 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: to play. Well. From working with professional athletes, it's just 765 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: so funny because I have to message them and ask 766 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: them to do like interviews and stuff, and there's a 767 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: couple that will, you know, just not reply, so they 768 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: wait that someone else will. I'll find someone else to 769 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: do it. And then you know, they've literally got their 770 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: phones glued to their hand and there there is and 771 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: then as soon as they want something, it's completely different. 772 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: So I feel like, I mean, obviously doing work and 773 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: dating an athlete is completely different, but I feel that's 774 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: their persona. As soon as they want something from a girl, 775 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: they'll message them. Well, I remember hearing about a professional 776 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: footballer who once said that the reason they go to 777 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: prostitutes is because the girls won't bother them. That's a 778 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,240 Speaker 1: whole other kettle of fish. I think that's just disgusting. Well, 779 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 1: that's all we've got time for today. We do hope 780 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 1: you did enjoy this episode about Spoken. If you did, 781 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: we'd love if you could share it on your Instagram 782 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: story so we can see it and of course reshare 783 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: it and if you do want to join in the conversation, 784 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: you can find us on Instagram and Facebook at Outspoken 785 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: Underscore the Underscore Podcast