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Speaker 1: Claremont. A Killer among Us is a two part documentary

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Speaker 1: that starts tonight at seven thirty on Channel ten. And

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Speaker 1: joining us to talk about it is Alison Fan Good morning, Alison.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you guys.

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Speaker 1: Well it is. It is a two part documentary which

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Speaker 1: can almost and I say almost because of Sarah Spears,

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Speaker 1: can almost tell the whole story. Now, did you think

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Speaker 1: back when you first started covering the story, that we were,

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Speaker 1: you know, during covering this story over the years, that

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Speaker 1: we were ever going to get to that point of

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Speaker 1: being able to tell the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody thought that after twenty plus years

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Speaker 2: that there would be a resolution that anything would be

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Speaker 2: left alone an arrest or in a conviction. And I

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Speaker 2: think possibly this is why there's such widespread interest in

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Speaker 2: this topic, because how long it spanned and just such

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Speaker 2: a cold case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we talk about it, how it changed Perth.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we had we certainly had incidents and things

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Speaker 1: over the years. This really did change the tone of

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Speaker 1: our city.

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Speaker 2: Well, it did because of the nature of how it

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Speaker 2: all evolved, and because these goals were taken from such

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Speaker 2: a conservative, wealthy neighborhood. They weren't plucked from some high

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Speaker 2: crime scene or area, and I mean when you look

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Speaker 2: at the I was trying to explain to someone from

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Speaker 2: the Eastern the States. I said, you're talking about a

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Speaker 2: street where you've got two of Australia's richest Gina Reinhart

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Speaker 2: and Kerry Stokes, just living down the end of it

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Speaker 2: and such a quiet neighborhood. But this particular documentary I

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Speaker 2: think stands out from the others that have been done

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Speaker 2: because of it's the way it was so meticulously handled,

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Speaker 2: very responsibly, painstaking police detail, and of course what we

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Speaker 2: didn't know until the trial was how the police were

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Speaker 2: working non stop throughout this period. We all thought it

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Speaker 2: had gone away because nothing was ever said or announced publicly,

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Speaker 2: and the other journalists and ones who following it were

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Speaker 2: just blown away by the fact that how closely they'd

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Speaker 2: been testing the evidence, testing new leads going overseas. That

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Speaker 2: was quite startling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Allison, unless you lived in Perth in the mid

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Speaker 3: nineties when this was going on, the fear, the talk,

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Speaker 3: the speculation, you wouldn't really get a grasp of what

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Speaker 3: it was. But it really was the end of perthy innocence,

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Speaker 3: wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: It was absolutely such a quiet place. As you said,

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Speaker 2: nothing much happened. I mean, certainly with Australia has had

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Speaker 2: its share of crime and punishment scandals over the years,

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Speaker 2: we've certainly lived up to that with the other states.

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Speaker 2: But this one had so many elements that were different,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's why it's drawn such world wide

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Speaker 2: interest from movie makers, documentary podcasts. I mean, look at

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Speaker 2: our podcasts that we were doing seven million downloads. I

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Speaker 2: mean that was just extraordinary. I mean I heard of

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Speaker 2: a podcast. I didn't know what I was doing.

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Speaker 1: He went on to host the most popular whatever with

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Speaker 1: all these you know, families, victims, journalists, police forensics interviewed.

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Speaker 1: Are we going to learn sort of new things?

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Speaker 2: I think what we've got I understand they've stayed quite

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Speaker 2: away from the family. There's no sensational, no aspects to

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Speaker 2: this particular documentary. I haven't I've only seen a little

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Speaker 2: few clips of it, but I'm told by the reviewers

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Speaker 2: that it's quite different in the fact that it's mainly

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Speaker 2: done in a or handled in a way that it's

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Speaker 2: just painstakingly gone through everything had happened without bringing in

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Speaker 2: the family and those sensational aspects to Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and with any case like this, Allison, you know,

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Speaker 3: the place are doing their work, there are suspects, and

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Speaker 3: obviously some suspects become wrongly accused people or at least

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Speaker 3: you know, those people who get watched very very closely,

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Speaker 3: and there was you know, I take it a bit

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Speaker 3: of that is covered as well, because it was there

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Speaker 3: are a couple of people who are monitary.

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Speaker 2: Closely, yes, and they're very they're still very upset about it, understandably.

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Speaker 2: Police mind you you have to bring the media probably

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Speaker 2: for that, those particular so called suspects, because the police

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Speaker 2: never ever when they did of course one time cases,

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Speaker 2: they very rarely say what they're doing, let alone and

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Speaker 2: nut suspects. But those two us are so obvious because

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Speaker 2: they were being watched, especially that the civil servant guy

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Speaker 2: who died. But that it was such a desperate case

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Speaker 2: because everybody wanted. I mean, with any any murder, it's sad,

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Speaker 2: but this one was one that drew and everybody because

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Speaker 2: with the serial killer, it's at random. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: not like just the family of the perpetrator or the

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Speaker 2: victims involved. This took him a whole state. Remember there's

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Speaker 2: seventeen twenty thousand taxi drivers came under suspicion, so it

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Speaker 2: really and anybody it drove a white van was drawn

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Speaker 2: into it. So they were covering it quite comprehensively, and

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Speaker 2: I think this is what draws it out this particular

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Speaker 2: two part do go anyway?

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Speaker 1: It was intense. I mean, on another topic, you did

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Speaker 1: just mention Lloyd Rainie. Yeah, I was wondering what your

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Speaker 1: thoughts are on the police saying that they're, you know,

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Speaker 1: they don't want to do an inquist I find that

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Speaker 1: kind of outrageous. I mean, whatever you think of, you

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Speaker 1: know whatever. People have their opinions or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But the matter was.

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Speaker 1: Found not guilty, which means which means that out there

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Speaker 1: there is someone who killed this woman, and not only

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Speaker 1: do we need to know who that is for the

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Speaker 1: sake of her family, but for the sake of everybody.

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Speaker 2: Totally, totally, and I've been on Lloyd Rainey's side right

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Speaker 2: from the very start. He's totally innocent. And I remember,

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Speaker 2: to me, the most compelling evidence that's come out of

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Speaker 2: this case, which Lloyd actually didn't want to bring up

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Speaker 2: because it was the CD side, and that was the

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Speaker 2: male DNA that was found around her genitals and around

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Speaker 2: her mouth that was unidentified. And I remember saying, I

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Speaker 2: remember saying to a policeman at the time, what about

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Speaker 2: this stuff that's run and you try and break a

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Speaker 2: zip from a of Denham jeans a hell of a

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Speaker 2: lot of foots. Yes, And they just said, oh, so

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Speaker 2: she had random sex, so what And I said, when

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Speaker 2: in the boots scooter. Yeah, Well, they thought they had

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Speaker 2: their man. And that's the way they operate. It's very

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Speaker 2: very single minded, and that's how they went. And unfortunately

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Speaker 2: that's the way that case went right from the start

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Speaker 2: with these thought they had their man and they didn't

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Speaker 2: look at anything else. It was no way that We're

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Speaker 2: not saying that they haven't looked at it now, but

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Speaker 2: I direct it's the place. I think it's a corner's

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Speaker 2: decision that comes up. But Lloyd's still pushing this and

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably the makings of another podcast.

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Speaker 1: And I really hope that they do pick that up again,

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Speaker 1: because I think it's outrageous that you can just go

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Speaker 1: because yeah, I agree with you, they do. They try

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Speaker 1: to make their theory fit the man rather than the

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Speaker 1: man fit the theory, and.

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Speaker 2: Or what you know, you know what I mean, I do.

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Speaker 1: It's outrageous that someone can be found not guilty. So

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Speaker 1: you know, we at the end of that story and

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Speaker 1: you've got to find out who did it?

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Speaker 2: Not guilty on appeal to you. And this is what

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Speaker 2: I was saying to those who thoughty we was so so,

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Speaker 2: do you seriously believe that he'd done it. He wouldn't

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Speaker 2: just keep quiet, You wouldn't provoke investigation after investigation after inquiry. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: saying get up there and look for it, because anybody

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Speaker 2: that you sue, like the police, they're going to throw

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Speaker 2: everything at you. And they did well and it didn't

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Speaker 2: work well.

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Speaker 3: That podcast might be the seven million do.

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Speaker 1: You know your way around the podcast? I do look

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Speaker 1: forward to that one.

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Speaker 3: Two peas in a podcast Clairemont.

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Speaker 1: A Killer among Us begins seven thirty tonight on tenor

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Speaker 1: two part documentary, not the probably tacky drama series that's

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Speaker 1: coming up around the corner. Allison, Thank you, so thank

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Speaker 1: you so.

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Speaker 2: Much, Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Definitely want I definitely want an Alison fan Lloyd I

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Speaker 1: should say Cora and Rainy rather.

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Speaker 3: I reckon it's going to happen podcast. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 3: not be surprised. Another big West Australian story which will

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Speaker 3: be interested. There'll be interested around the world.

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Speaker 1: She knows her way around the court system better than

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Speaker 1: a lot of the people that work in the courts.

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Speaker 3: Often absolutely yeah, yeah,