1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 2: Our next guest, spent twelve years in the military, four 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: years in Special Forces and a season yelling at a 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 2: bunch of Australian celebrities to get them past breaking point. 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 3: Isn't a game, no, no joking around two hundred and 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 3: two people starting my course eight of us past. You 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 3: don't give us who you are, where you've come. 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 2: From and what you do. 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 3: They do what we tell them to do when we 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: tell them to do it. 11 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: If not, they can off. 12 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 4: Lovely Souldier. 13 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: Well now he's doing a national tour called Mind of 14 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: a Muscle. Thrilled to have him here at Middleton. 15 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Hello, no manner, JONESI, thanks for having me. 16 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 5: Okay, you know you are at total odds to your 17 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 5: character and is it fair to say character on essays? 18 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: Do you know what? 19 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: Yes, going back to a military mindset, I've been up 20 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 3: the military now for ten years and I really have 21 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 3: to sort of get myself back into that instructor role. 22 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: So it's not a character as such, it's what worked 23 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: for me when I was in the military, how the 24 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 3: instructors treated me, and how intense it is in order 25 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: to install that discipline and that structure to be able 26 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: to fight wars ultimately. So it is a tough, love, 27 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 3: brutal process, but it prepares. 28 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: You for the battlefield. 29 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: So when I go back and thrash these celebrities, I 30 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: am in the you know, I'm back in the military. 31 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 3: I'm back in that mindset and which is completely different 32 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 3: to the. 33 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: Mindset that I'm in now. 34 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: I'm in media, I'm in you know, into TV, into literacy, 35 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: into you know, i'm an author now. So it really 36 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: is sort of just grabbing my head, changing it and 37 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: getting back into that military headspace. 38 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: I find it so interesting that what is lacking in 39 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 2: our society that people sign up for this. My son's 40 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: read all your books, he's obsessed with it. What is 41 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: it that we feel we lack this and and we 42 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: want this kind of discipline, we want to be tested. 43 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: Have we taken that away from our society? 44 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, society doesn't cater for us to be tested in 45 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: that way. You know, society is very safe. You know, 46 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 3: it's very structured in a way where you know you've 47 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: got routine, you go into work, you come back, health 48 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: and safeties everywhere. 49 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: And it doesn't push you to find out who you are. 50 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: You can only push yourself and find out who you 51 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 3: are through through hardship, through suffering, through coming out at 52 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: the other end, through through a bit of tough love. 53 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: And that's ultimately what we do is the course is 54 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: designed to fail. You know, it's designed to give you 55 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: that hardship and that sort of wake up call in 56 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 3: order to in order for you to identify, you know, 57 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 3: your attributes and your characteristics in a safe environment. You 58 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: can't really push that, you can't really find that. 59 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 4: But what if you fail? 60 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I think when we spoke to you on 61 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: the phone when the series was on, Mitch the cricketer, 62 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: he could he broke down saying, you know that he'd 63 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: had a breakdown and then he didn't complete the course 64 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: and he phoned his wife saying I've failed and we 65 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: see him wandering off. Did he how people might leave 66 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: us broken? 67 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: People? No, they don't. 68 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: They always learned something from the course. And that's the 69 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 3: thing about failure. A lot of people look at failure 70 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 3: as a dirty word, you know, you know, they steer 71 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: away from it, but you know, failure is a lesson. 72 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: It's a life lesson. 73 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 3: You know you're going to learn from it no matter what, 74 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 3: whether you you know succeed or fail, You're going to 75 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: learn from failure. You're going to grow from it, and 76 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 3: you will become a better version of who you are. 77 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: And society doesn't prepare us for failure. And guess what, 78 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: once you hit that big wide world out there, whether 79 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: it's your children, whether it's yourself, failures everyday part of life. 80 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 3: I've failed up to now in my life, and I'm 81 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: going to fail to the day I die. 82 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: That is a fact. So you and Manders are you Jones? 83 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: You know that you can't escape failure. 84 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: The moment you try and shy away from it is 85 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: the moment you limit yourself. You're limiting yourself because when 86 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: you fail, you take you take a layer off of 87 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: your emotions, you take a layer off of who you are. 88 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: And ultimately, when you take a layer off of it, 89 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: you start to learn more and more about the process. 90 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 4: And you learn from the essays. But also you went 91 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 4: to prison. 92 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. Yeah. 93 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: When I left the military within six months, I was 94 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: doing a fourteen month stint. I ended up doing five 95 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: months and then the rest on tag and then the 96 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: other half on probation. I got into into a violent 97 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: altercation with a policeman on a night out. Shameless, you know, 98 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: quite a shameful experience. But yeah, that was you know, 99 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: being in that military mindset. There are two different worlds 100 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: of the military, and the moment I was in prison, 101 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 3: I managed to sort of separate the two because in 102 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: the military you are taught to deal with violence with 103 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: extreme violence. That's the only way to counter violence is 104 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 3: with extreme violence. Now in society there's zero tolerance to violence. 105 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: If you're violent one little bit, you're gonna end up 106 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 3: in trouble, behind bars or wherever it may be, like 107 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: I did. And also aggression. In the military, you're taught 108 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: to deal with aggression, you know, to overcome. 109 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: Aggression with extreme aggression. 110 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 3: So everything relates to the battlefield, you know, it's that 111 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 3: kill or be killed. So you've got to separate the 112 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 3: world's they are too completely separate worlds. 113 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I was in prison I thought, well, 114 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: I've got cut out violence for my life. 115 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 3: And all these years I've been taught to deal with 116 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 3: violence by being more violently, extremely violent, I've got to 117 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: cut that out. Aggression. I can't can no longer go 118 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 3: into that code red aggression. I've really got to tone 119 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: that aggression down, you know, and because aggression in society, 120 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: you know, you've got your anger issues. You know, you 121 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 3: need to do and see someone. So it's just about 122 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 3: understanding the two worlds. And ultimately, you know, as I 123 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 3: learned to be a soldier, I had to learn to 124 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 3: be a love to be a civilian. 125 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 4: And do you find that people? 126 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 5: Do you find that people when they join the army 127 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 5: there's been that off often story that they're running away 128 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 5: from something. So they joined the army because it's a 129 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 5: it's a good career. You get three square meals a day, 130 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 5: you don't really have to have much direction. But really 131 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 5: you do have to have direction because, as you actually said, 132 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, you're going to have 133 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 5: to ultimately go to some foreign land and kill someone. 134 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that's why I joined. I joined for for challenge. 135 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 3: I wanted to be self sufficient. I always wanted to 136 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: be self sufficient as a young you know, I always 137 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 3: you know, wanted to feed myself. Well, you know, i'd 138 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: clothed myself. I didn't like it when my mother used to, 139 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: you know, try and get me ready for school. I'm like, 140 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: you know, I can do all this. So at the 141 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: age of sixteen when I joined, you know, I thought 142 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: to myself, well, I've got aroof over my head. I've 143 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: got a small pay packet and I've got food on 144 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: the table, and then I can build from there. So 145 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 3: that's why I joined. And I just happened to like 146 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: the job. I happened to be extremely good at what 147 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 3: i'd done. But never in a million years did I 148 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: think i'd reached the heights. 149 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: Of the Special Forces. 150 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 3: I thought, you know, I'd just chip away at things, 151 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: and then yeah, I found that I was good at 152 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: what i'd done, and before I knew it, I was. 153 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: On selection and in the Special Forces. 154 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 5: It was a extraordinary because as well as the two 155 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 5: hundred people go through the course, no one made it through, 156 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 5: but you were like one of the people that got through. 157 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. 158 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 3: It's a ninety five percent failure rates on selection, ninety 159 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: five to ninety eight percent. And then yeah, I was 160 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: one of eight to get through, so I'm out of 161 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 3: two hundred and two. 162 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,119 Speaker 1: I think it was wow. 163 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 5: I looked at that, you know, the helicopter thing, when 164 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 5: I had to jump out of the hell at the 165 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 5: very beginning, I'm sitting and I just don't. 166 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 4: Understand why they have to go backwards first. Isn't it easy? 167 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 4: You just do the pencil dive. 168 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: It's part of a confidence right. We get so much 169 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: from that backwards dive. 170 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: And people think it's just a case of falling backwards 171 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: into the water, but it's the position that you have 172 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: to adapt. It's trusting us and then ultimately trusting yourself. 173 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: There's nothing more unnatural than falling backwards from a height, 174 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: having to stay in a certain position so you don't 175 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: hurt yourself. And in this series we've just filmed, actually 176 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: we've just filmed a new celebrity version. We do it 177 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: from a stable platform, and you see how many people 178 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: don't listen and ultimately really really hurt themselves. 179 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: And it's a confidence test. 180 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: It's not really about the backwards for it's about me 181 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 3: telling you something you listening to it, divulging the information 182 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: and executing simple instructions what needs to be done in 183 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: order not to hurt yourself in order to keep yourself safe. 184 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: So a lot of people struggle with that, and it's 185 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: such a good test. We can look at that test 186 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: from that simple exercise and gain so much you know 187 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: about that person. 188 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: Who's going to be a listener. Who's going to be 189 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: a pain in the neck? 190 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, who can? Who can? 191 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 3: Who can take listen to the information and action what 192 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: needs to be done? Yeah? 193 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 4: Well you look at us. 194 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 5: You've got a non listener and a pain in the 195 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 5: in the next draw. And it's great to meet you 196 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 5: in the flesh. Ticket sport as Mind of a Muscle 197 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 5: to are available at TEG, dainty dot com and Middleton. 198 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, Jones, thank you, nice to see 199 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 3: you and Amanda's