1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: And it is Friday morning. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 2: It is time for the week that was, and joining 3 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 2: us in the studio this morning, We've got the colp's 4 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: Josh Burgoin, Good morning to you. 5 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie, Good morning to your listeners. 6 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 2: We've got Independent member Farrah lu and Robin Lamley, Good 7 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: morning to. 8 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 4: You, God morning Katie. 9 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: We've got the Health Minister Natasha Files, Good morning to 10 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: you Files. 11 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 5: E morning, will Fine. 12 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: And we've got Matt Cunningham from Sky News. 13 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 3: Good morning Mats, Katie. 14 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: And Matt's sort of sitting right next to me between 15 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: me and Natasha Files, just to paint a picture. So 16 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: he's going to be sharing a microphone. I might even 17 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: let him take over if things get too. 18 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Hairy throughout the morning. 19 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: Well, and speaking of I tell you what I always 20 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: say on this show that I listened to Parliament, so 21 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: you don't have to, but I've got to tell you 22 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: listening to parts of Parliament this week, well it's been 23 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: pretty woeful at times and even embarrassing. 24 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say. 25 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: I've been getting on air for the last few months 26 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 2: and saying that Parliament's descended into chaos and the sittings 27 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: this last two weeks has reached a whole new level. 28 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: I can understand that the opposition certainly gets under the 29 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: skin of the government. I know that the opposition leader 30 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: Leafanocchiaro certainly gets under the skin of the government. But 31 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: for the first twelve minutes of question time on Wednesday, 32 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: the opposition leader attempted to ask her a question. It 33 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: was a hairy question, but it was stopped numerous times 34 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: before she was told that her question had too many 35 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: imputations and would need to be changed. She was thrown 36 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: out of Parliament for the third time this sittings. Now, 37 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: I know that there were insults thrown on both sides, 38 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: and I get that Parliament's all about the theater, and 39 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: I know that some people listening to the show may 40 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: not listen to Parliament. But this is really, you know, 41 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: whether we like it or not, it is a sacred 42 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: part of our democracy, and I think that it's an 43 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: area where we need to see a little bit better 44 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: behavior from all of you guys, no matter what side 45 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: of the fence that you sit on. 46 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: I know, Josh you're the opposition whip. 47 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: Valzi, you're obviously the leader of government business, and like 48 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: I say, Wednesday, I was embarrassed listening. 49 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 5: Yes, mum, we've heard you embarrassing, Oh Katie. 50 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 6: I mean I think that you know, you do raise 51 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 6: valid points and we always take that on. 52 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 5: It's an interesting and Robin's been in there. 53 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 6: A long time, but you you do reflect upon, you know, 54 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 6: how things proceed and the standing orders are there to 55 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 6: guide you. 56 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 5: And in terms of that question, it. 57 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: Was standing orders at the moment are there to stop 58 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: any kind of debate going on? 59 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: Is how it's coming. 60 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 7: The government's using standing orders effectively to gag debate. 61 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 6: Well, in fairness that the opposition we're you know, using 62 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 6: standing the imputation a lot as well. 63 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 7: So I think that because you started it. 64 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 4: Just instigating, I've. 65 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: Got the capacity, unlike the poor old speaker in Parliament 66 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: to turn your microphones off. 67 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 8: But the point that I do want to make, I 68 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 8: can kick them out as well as you're on. I'll 69 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 8: do any But the point I want to make is 70 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 8: I think that the sentiment around the Northern Territory at 71 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 8: the moment is we've got to read the room and 72 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 8: right now people are really frustrated about a law of 73 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 8: different things and we'll get to all of those topics 74 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 8: in a short time. But they're also expecting questions to 75 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 8: be asked and answered on really important issues. Now, we 76 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 8: know that debate gets stifled for a whole number of reasons. 77 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 8: We know that sometimes on both sides of the fence 78 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 8: and the independence, things go too far, and I totally 79 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 8: understand that. But even this week, yesterday alone, we've now 80 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 8: seen that Parliament's powerful Privileges Committee has obviously cleared the 81 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 8: COLP member Steve Edgington over a Facebook post. Now let's 82 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 8: not forget that was this towards the end of last year, 83 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 8: that this really stifled discussion and debate as well, and 84 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 8: now he's been cleared. 85 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: It does just make me wonder what games are being 86 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: played at the moment. 87 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 3: It's very true, Katie, And at the end of the day, 88 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: it comes down to the freedom of speech. We have 89 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: to be able to go into Parliament and fearlessly represent 90 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: the people that have put us in there, and when 91 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: we're constantly being shut down at every opportunity, it really 92 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: does limit our ability to do that. And when you, 93 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: for anyone that actually watches Federal Parliament, I'll tell you what, 94 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: there are some things you get thrown across the chamber there. 95 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: But the freedom of debate is allowed to continue and 96 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: that's what needs to happen. 97 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 9: Here I query what happened. There's a document that Labour 98 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 9: put together in twenty fifteen. It was tabled in the 99 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 9: Parliament just after they came to power, that listed a 100 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 9: whole heap of parliamentary reforms that they believe that should happen. Now, 101 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 9: one of the proposals they put forward was an independent speaker, 102 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 9: and of course we know Keesy Epiric was a speaker, 103 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 9: but she's not anymore. Now there's a speaker who's a 104 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 9: member of the Labor Party. Now in this document lists 105 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 9: a whole heap of problems that Labor has recognized with 106 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 9: Parliament and with question time one is Dorothy Dixons. Now 107 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 9: we all know how painful they are. Fifty of question 108 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 9: time gets wasted with backbenches from the government asking ridiculous 109 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 9: questions of their ministers so that they can rab it 110 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 9: on about how great they are. Last Tuesday, Labor spent 111 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 9: all of its time during its questions in Parliament slagging 112 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 9: off Damian Ryan, the former. 113 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 10: Mayor of Alice Springs. 114 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 9: I mean, the only explanation you can give to that 115 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 9: is that they are seriously concerned about the federal seat 116 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 9: of Lingiari. They think they're probably going to lose it 117 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 9: and so they're running a campaign to discredit Damien Ryan. 118 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 9: But that's not what parliament true question time is supposed 119 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 9: to be for. I just wonder what's happened to the 120 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 9: proposal for there to be an independent speaker while we 121 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 9: don't have an independent speaker anymore, why Labours walked away 122 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 9: from that. Their own document says we should either have 123 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 9: an independent speaker or even have a speaker who's not 124 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 9: an MLA, a statutory appointment, so that you can have 125 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 9: someone who is truly independent who can rule on these things, 126 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 9: because at the moment with a Labor MLA as a speaker, 127 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 9: it's just not working. 128 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 6: So in terms of the speaker, we did have the 129 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 6: independent speaker and Kesier Puic resigned from that position as 130 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 6: we know a couple of years ago now, I think, 131 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 6: and the caucus made a decision to elect the Member 132 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 6: for Karama for that speaker role. So you know, Matt 133 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 6: is right to point out that there is that document, 134 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 6: but we feel that things have moved on since then, 135 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 6: and is in that role as speaker. 136 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 7: Things have completely backflipped since that document came out. Remember 137 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 7: opening the Parliament to the people, the scrutiny committees. We 138 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 7: used to have a day of Dorothy Dix free question time. 139 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 7: That's all sort of been thrown out and we're back 140 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,119 Speaker 7: to a position which I think we've never seen before. 141 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 7: I think the Parliament has deteriorated and what we're seeing 142 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 7: is this constant interjection by the government on what I 143 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 7: think are frivolous points of order. You know, the thin 144 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 7: skin nature of the government at the moment. Things that 145 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 7: are seen as offensive years ago were absolutely nothing. 146 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: The word incompetent, remember that was. 147 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: Last year. 148 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 4: You can't call anyone a clown. 149 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 7: I mean, you know that used to be not seen 150 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 7: as particularly offensive. 151 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 4: It's become absolutely ridiculous. 152 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 7: Katie and I think it's time for the government to 153 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 7: think about this strategy because it's not working for anyone. 154 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 7: We're not getting to make speeches that are very important 155 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 7: for our constituents. Josh and I travel a long way 156 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 7: to come to Parliament from Alice Springs for eleven weeks 157 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 7: a year, from Alice Springs to Darwin, and if we 158 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 7: can't do the job that we're paid to do, that 159 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 7: our constituents expect us to do. Then you have to 160 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 7: question why should we even do it at all? 161 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 4: Like, what's the point? 162 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: I think you hit the nail on the head there. 163 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: You know, it costs an awful lot of money each 164 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: and every one of you, not Matt and I of course, 165 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: but you guys are employed to represent the views of 166 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: your constituents. You're employed to raise the issues that your 167 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: constituents want raised. And I do think that we need 168 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: to remember the spirit of the Parliament and what it 169 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: is intended for. 170 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: Now. 171 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: I'm not anybody, so you know, I'm not judge and 172 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: jury here, but I just I think that it's really 173 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: important that on behalf of the community. I point out 174 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: that people are incredibly frustrated listening to Question Time. Like 175 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: I said from the get go, I always say to 176 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: my listeners, I listen so they don't have to. But 177 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: it's getting really bloody hard to listen to us. 178 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 7: It's not clever shutting down debate. It's just not clever. 179 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 7: It's disrespectful and I think it shows a lack of 180 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 7: respect or even understanding of what Parliament is meant to be. 181 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 4: You don't see. 182 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 7: This level of interjection and disruption in other parliaments. It 183 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 7: just doesn't happen, and it didn't happen in the Northern 184 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 7: Territory Parliament up until the last couple of years. 185 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: To this extent, that document that was spoken about just 186 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: before restoring Trust Integrity, we've come a long way from 187 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,559 Speaker 3: that and I think we certainly need to have another 188 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: look at it and get back to actually making sure 189 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: that Parliament is reflective of that. 190 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: Well, look, we will move along to the issues that 191 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: are certainly very important to Territorians at the moment. 192 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: And we know that well. 193 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: Earlier in the week, it was reported by The Australian newspaper. 194 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: Matt Cunningham and Kirsten Shorten reported that police notes obtained 195 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: by The Australian show that senior police executives, including mister Chalker, 196 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: meeting Deputy Commissioner Michael White's office at three point thirty 197 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: four on November thirteen, twenty nineteen, the afternoon that Constable 198 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 2: Zachary Rolf was charged with the murder of Indigenous man 199 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: cumen Ji Walker. So know that the Akak Commissioner issued 200 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: a statement this week saying that he will investigate allegations 201 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: of improper conduct relating to the arrest and charge of 202 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: mister Zachary Rolf. He said, my investigation will focus upon 203 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: the period between the shooting incident and the presentation of 204 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: mister Rolf for charging mash. It has been an interesting 205 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 2: week of developments when you talk about this situation. 206 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 9: Absolutely, and it's going to be an interesting Ikak investigation 207 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 9: and also interesting. I think that the Ikak Commissioner has 208 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 9: flagged for the first time the possibility of public hearings 209 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 9: when it comes to this particular investigation. I think people 210 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 9: Katie have a lot of questions around the process. 211 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 10: That happen in those four days. 212 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 9: You know. I know a lot's been said about the 213 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 9: Chief Minister's comments at Yundamu, but to be honest, I 214 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 9: think they should probably be put to one side. I 215 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 9: think where the issue that needs to be examined here 216 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 9: is in the notes of those police officers. These are 217 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 9: police officers, detectives, seeingior detectives w working on this case. 218 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 9: Kirk Pernudo, the superintendent who's supposed to be in charge 219 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 9: of the investigation. You've got Detective Sergeant Mark Greeb, You've 220 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 9: got Detective Sergeant Kieran Wells, Detective Sergeant Leith Phillips, all 221 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 9: writing as well as Detective Sergeant Isabel Commins from Darwin, 222 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 9: all writing in their contemporaneous notes that they have issues 223 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 9: with the haste with which this murder charge is being 224 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 9: pursued that they have described. In one of those police notes, 225 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 9: described the process as abnormal, saying that it was unusual 226 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 9: that the dpp an opinion was sought so quickly, it 227 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 9: was unusual that Constable Rolf they were being asked to 228 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 9: interview Constable Rolf so quickly, and that it was unusual 229 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 9: that the murder charge. They were being told to lay 230 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 9: this murder charge at a time where they did not 231 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 9: believe a sufficient investigation had taken place. And I think 232 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 9: that's what we need to get to the bottom of here, 233 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 9: why that happened. You know, why was there to the 234 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 9: direction given to those detectives to do that when it 235 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 9: is clear from their notes that they were not comfortable 236 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 9: with that situation and that they do not believe that 237 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 9: a normal process was being followed. 238 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 3: It was really interesting this week. We asked a number 239 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: of questions in question time, you know, whether the Chief 240 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 3: Minister was being investigated. He answered no to both of 241 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 3: those questions, and I think it's really important that no 242 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: one should assume they will or will not be required 243 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 3: to be a witness for all of this. There are 244 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: a lot of questions, as Matt's rightly said, that need 245 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 3: to be answered, and I think Territorians have the right 246 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: to know exactly what is going to be going on. 247 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 3: Those public hearings will be a good thing if that's 248 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 3: what ends up happening, and I'll be very interested to 249 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: see what ends up happening throughout this process. 250 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 6: And I think that comes to the point where the 251 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 6: questions were out of order in terms of the standing orders, 252 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 6: because it's not that who possibly can be investigated or 253 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 6: asked to appear before the IKAK, but it was you know, 254 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 6: are you being and the Chief Minister answered that factually. 255 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 6: So you know, this of course has been a really 256 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 6: tough process for the community of you and NIMU and 257 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 6: Alice Springs, Central Australia, but also our police force. And 258 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 6: so we know that we've seen the judicial process and 259 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 6: we respect that verdict, but we have not only the 260 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 6: i CAAC but also the coronial process ahead of us. 261 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 9: Just on the point of the issue he raise about 262 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 9: what was set in question time yesterday, So Steve Edgington, 263 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 9: the Member for Barkley, asked, Chief Minister, are you a 264 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 9: witness in the Rolf inquiry and the Chief Minister answered no. Now, 265 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 9: I've just received a statement from the IKAQ Commissioner that's 266 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 9: also been reported in the Anti Independent, and he says 267 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 9: that he's not aware of the comments as he does 268 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 9: not listen to or follow Parliament while he is at work. However, 269 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 9: he says whether or not someone will be required as 270 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 9: a witness is ultimately a matter for me to determine 271 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 9: as my investigation progresses. No one should assume they will 272 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 9: or will not be required as a witness. I have 273 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 9: nothing further to add, so I'm not sure it's correct 274 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 9: correct what the Chief Minister said in question time yesterday. 275 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 9: I think it's going to be up to the IKAC 276 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 9: Commissioner to decide exactly what he is investigates and exactly 277 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 9: who he calls as a witness as a part of 278 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 9: that investigator. 279 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 3: And another question that was asked yesterday is the Chief Minister, 280 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: as the ICAC Minister, somehow conflicted in this and I 281 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 3: think that there is a real perceived conflict of interest 282 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: there that this report could be given to the Chief 283 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: Minister before anyone else as the KAK minister. 284 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: What is the process there when an ICAC report is 285 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: handed down, does it go to the Chief Minister before 286 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: it is publicly released? 287 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 6: Katie, I'm not going to answer that because I can't 288 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 6: remember the legislation off the top of my head. 289 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: What happened with that dodgy grandstandal. I'm pretty sure the 290 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: government got to look at that before the opposition. 291 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 6: So in terms of the ICAC, they are completely independent 292 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 6: and I think that it would be offensive the comments 293 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 6: that have just been made around the IKAK. The IKAC 294 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 6: process is something that we set up with strong legislative 295 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 6: powers so that there is an independent body that can 296 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 6: look into any type of matter that someone believes there 297 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 6: may be a conflict or corruption, and so that process 298 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 6: has been put in place in the territory. 299 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 9: I think we do need to at some point get 300 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 9: clarity around that question, though I think that clarity will 301 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 9: eventually come from the Northern Territory Supreme Court, because there 302 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 9: are four Supreme Court actions that have been launched in 303 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 9: relation to the turf Club matter. And my understanding is 304 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 9: that one of the matters that has been complained about 305 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 9: to the Supreme Court. 306 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 10: Is the fact that with the Turf Club report, the 307 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 10: report was. 308 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 9: Given to the Chief Minister the day before it was 309 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 9: made public and whether that is the correct process now, 310 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 9: I don't know what the correct process is. 311 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 10: I'd have to go back and read the IKAK legislation. 312 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 9: But there's certainly a complaint put forward by those four 313 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 9: parties that the process as they believe it should occur 314 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 9: was not followed in that case. 315 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: It's certainly I think it's certainly very interesting stuff. No 316 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: matter what, the KA Commissioner should be able to and 317 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: feel that he can investigate and I'm sure he does 318 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: without fear or any kind of you know, any fear 319 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form, and be able to 320 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: do that independently and be able to do exactly what 321 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: he needs to do in order to to get through 322 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: this investigation and do a thorough job of it. 323 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: And I have great confidence that he'll be able to. 324 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: But look, we are going to take a very short 325 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: break because there is so much to cover off on 326 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: this morning and next I am keen to discuss well 327 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: some of the issues that we've seen around the top 328 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: end in Well and also Central Australia. That's a bit 329 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: rude of me to not say the whole of the 330 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: Northern Territory when we talk about anti social behavior and 331 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: some of those changes which are potentially going to come 332 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 2: into place. You are listening to Mix one oh four 333 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: point nine's three sixty. It is the week that was well, 334 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: it has certainly been a big week. And if you've 335 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: just joined us, I'm joined by Joshua Burgoy and Robin Lamley, 336 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: Natasha Files and Matt Cunningham. And one of the topics 337 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: which has been high on the agenda for so many 338 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: territorians for quite a long period of time. I think 339 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: you'd have to say, but over the last couple of 340 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: weeks there's been a real concern in this space, and 341 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: it is that public drunkenness, alcohol misuse and the crime 342 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: and anti social behavior that we see which is so 343 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: often associated with it. Not only you not only crime 344 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: against businesses and against other people, but also the rates 345 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: of domestic violence that we're seeing now. This, like I said, 346 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: this is something that we've spoken about on numerous occasions. 347 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: Yesterday we had on the show the Assistant Police Commissioner 348 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: Travis Wurst, and he had spoken about the fact that 349 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: there has been a twenty percent increase in calls taken 350 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: for our Northern Territory Police, so as you would imagine, 351 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: there's certainly an increase in day to day work. He 352 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: also touched on the fact that they've seen an increase 353 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: or they've seen an escalation in violence with the crime 354 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: that we are seeing now. For you two who are 355 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: in Alice Springs, I know that this has been a 356 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: hot topic, high on the agenda for an awfully long 357 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: period of time. 358 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: There is no doubt about that. 359 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: Right now in Alice Springs, we know that there is 360 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: going to be Operation Sayer. 361 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: It's going to be running for seven days. 362 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: As I understand it, antisocial behavior and property offending is 363 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: going to be targeted in this seven day operation. But 364 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: I think it would be right who can see that 365 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: right now in the territory, we've got a real issue here. 366 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: Whether you're talking about that misuse of alcohol, but you're 367 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 2: talking about all the associated crimes and in some cases 368 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 2: not even crime, but that public drunkenness and alcohol issues 369 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: that we are seeing as well, that's associated. 370 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 7: Well, I think it's good to get a feeling that 371 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,239 Speaker 7: the government's woken up after this long COVID coma and 372 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 7: realize that they may have kept us safe from COVID, 373 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 7: but they certainly haven't kept us safe from crime. So 374 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 7: it's good to see that something's happening on the horizon, 375 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 7: despite the fact that the police are doing a great 376 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 7: job with the best resources at their disposal. But you know, 377 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 7: there's a need for the government to do more in 378 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 7: this space. And this is what we spent in the 379 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 7: last two weeks in parliament, didn't we Josh hammering the government, 380 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 7: pleading with them, trying to get them to respond to 381 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 7: the problems in Alice Springs, which are obviously widespread. 382 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 4: Not just in Alice Springs, but right across the territories. 383 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: Last Thursday, in Alice Springs, I had a lot of 384 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: people get in contact with me. I had a police 385 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 3: car parked out the front of my office on the footpath. 386 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: Now that does not usually occur. Someone was assaulted in 387 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 3: the middle of town in broad daylight, and I sent 388 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 3: an email off just saying what is occurring in Alla 389 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: Springs because I've been getting a lot of reports of 390 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 3: an increase of people in town. And the response I got, Look, 391 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 3: I don't want to knock anyone, but it was very vanilla. 392 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 3: It don't worry. We're doing all that we can. Now 393 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: a week on to find out that over the weekend 394 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: we've been dealing with huge amounts of any social behavior, 395 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 3: assaults and that escalation that you spoke about, Katie, and 396 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: now we've got a seven day crime lockdown crackdown. Thank you, Robin. 397 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 3: You know this. This is things that we've been dealing 398 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 3: with for a long time. Unfortunately, that escalation continues to happen. 399 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: Right after the Rough decision, we saw a huge increase 400 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: in police resources in Walo Springs. I drove around one 401 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 3: night and saw four police units. That's four groups of 402 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: two people walking around the sea, which never happens at night, 403 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: and town for those two weekends was a bit quieter. 404 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: So we've seen what it takes to bring this thing 405 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 3: under control. Why don't we have those resources every week, Katie. 406 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 6: These are difficult issues and there's no single solution, and 407 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 6: it's difficult in the sense that you have to deal 408 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 6: with the here and now, but we also know those 409 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 6: generational factors that drive the antisocial behavior, particularly we're just 410 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 6: talking about domestic violence overcrowded housing situations. So police are working. 411 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 6: We've provided additional resources to police we're looking at. And 412 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 6: I met with Police Health who have the alcohol policy 413 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 6: and licensing. I meet with them regularly, but I have 414 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 6: been meeting with them around making sure that what police 415 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 6: see out on the beat, is there any policy areas 416 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 6: that we can shift around that space to help them, 417 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 6: because I think that you can't let up. 418 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 2: There's not one solution, it's a multitude, really can't and 419 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: I think that we're seeing that at the moment. You know, 420 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 2: yesterday I spoke to a bus signer who'd had a 421 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: van stolen in Coconut Grove. I could hear his voice 422 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 2: cracking as he was talking to us. You know, this 423 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 2: is not just having an impact in the sense that 424 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, okay, we're out of action for a 425 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: couple of days. It is seriously hurting businesses at the moment. 426 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: And in addition to that, last night, we know that 427 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: police are searching for two women who stole from a 428 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: service station in Darwin City and attacked an attendant overnight. 429 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: So detectives are reviewing this CCTV footage this morning. 430 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: But the Watch. 431 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: Commander, Neil Mellon has said that the worker was punched 432 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: during the ordeal and then was taken to Royal Darwin Hospital. 433 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: You know, I wish that this kind of thing was 434 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: like a one off that we hear about occasionally, but 435 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 2: it is not. It's unfortunately something that's happening often. You know, 436 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: I really feel for people working overnight, let's say in 437 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: a service. 438 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: Station, I would be quite frightened. I thought I was 439 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: going to say. 440 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 6: The Chief Minister spoke to you earlier in the Beak. 441 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 6: We've been focused around providing that pathway for people to 442 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 6: return to community, but it's also making sure that those 443 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 6: communities are places that people want to be, that there's 444 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 6: amenity there, that there's you know, it's got the functions 445 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 6: of a town. So you know, it's a multitude of factors. 446 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 6: These are difficult issues, but the community can certainly be 447 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 6: assured that, you know, and it's just devastating hearing, you know, 448 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 6: the heartbreaking business owners. 449 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 7: So you guys have taken your eye off the ball 450 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 7: for the last two years. You've neglected the bush, You've 451 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 7: neglected Central Australia, no doubt, other parts of the Northern Territory. 452 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 7: It's like you've just woken up and realized that you 453 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 7: haven't been doing your job for two years. It's been 454 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 7: blatantly obvious to the rest of us. I mean, why 455 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 7: has crime deteriorated to the point it is now? Why 456 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 7: we're hearing that crime is more serious than what we've 457 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 7: seen for a long time. There's an explanation for that, 458 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 7: and that is you've taken your eye off the ball, 459 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 7: and territorians can see this very clearly. 460 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 6: I mean I would disagree with the common in terms 461 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 6: of the bush We've been investing in houses, making sure 462 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 6: that there is appropriate accommodation, but also you know, lights 463 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 6: on footy fields, grass on footy fields, those types of 464 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 6: you know, making sure that there's the amenities that people 465 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 6: want to stay in those. 466 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 7: Remote housing in Central Australia is behind schedule and it 467 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 7: has been for years. 468 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people as well at the moment 469 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: questioning the alcohol policies. 470 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: They are seriously. 471 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 2: Going, well, hang on a second, can the Northern Territory 472 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: government really hang their hash on the things like the 473 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: BDR and things like the floor price when we are 474 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: seeing what we're seeing around the territory right now. 475 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 3: It needs to be reviewed. I mean, there's there's clearly 476 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 3: a breakdown in alcohol policy at the moment and there 477 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: needs to be a review into this to find out 478 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: exactly what's working and what's not. How many people are 479 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 3: on the BDR, and when they go on the BDR, 480 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 3: how long are they on there for, because I speak 481 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 3: to a lot of organizations and quite often I'm saying, well, 482 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 3: how many people are actually ending up on this scene 483 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 3: and what's happening with it, because we just don't hear 484 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: those figures anywhay. 485 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 6: Completely figure published monthly, there's about two thousand people on 486 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 6: the BDR. People transition on and off. There's the four 487 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 6: pathways as we know, through the courts, polemonies on themselves. 488 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 6: Now there's about two thousand. I think it's I was 489 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 6: looking at the figures the monthly figure just earlier in 490 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 6: the week in terms of the transaction, so there's people 491 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 6: that know that they can't purchase, and then there's around 492 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 6: three to four hundred transactions a month where people springs. 493 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 7: You can see the proliferation of alcohol at any point 494 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 7: in the day. You can drive down the road at 495 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 7: eight o'clock in the morning and see people falling over drunk, 496 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 7: seeing alcohol. Despite the BDR. The BDR is having zero impacts. 497 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: It's pushing people towards hand sanitizer. I recently went down 498 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: the river for clean Up Australia Day. There are bottles 499 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 3: of hand sanitizer all through the river. Now that's next 500 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 3: to bottles of orange juice, Coca Cola and in some 501 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 3: instances you know runs. Yeah, it's shocking to see and 502 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: this is what's happening. You know, there needs to be 503 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 3: a review into this because it's pushing people in some 504 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 3: instances away from what they can access and now they're 505 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 3: drinking hand sanitizer, which I cannot even imagine the health 506 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 3: implications of that. 507 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 9: I think if you still think the BDR works, you 508 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 9: haven't been paying attention. I mean it's been for as 509 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 9: long as it's been as it's been in there's not 510 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 9: a single bit of data that shows that it's had 511 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 9: any impact on reducing alcohol related harm. I think what 512 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 9: needs to be looked at now is whether an increasing 513 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 9: property crime can be linked back to the BDR where 514 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 9: the people who are getting knocked back at the bottle 515 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 9: shop because they're on the BDR are then going to 516 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 9: breaking into licensed premises to get alcohol. I think the 517 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 9: government did commit to reviewing all of those alcohol policies 518 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 9: and at this stage you'd have to say that they've 519 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 9: had no impact the BDR, the floor price, any of them, 520 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 9: that the numbers are all in the wrong direction. Now, 521 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 9: there might be other factors at play here. I know 522 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 9: that all of the COVID money and the early access 523 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 9: to superannuation had a big impact, but that money ran 524 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 9: out a long time ago and was still seeing those 525 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 9: numbers go up. I think that the biggest thing, the 526 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 9: biggest concern in the crime statistics is the domestic violence, 527 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 9: which is just like the rates are just extraordinary. 528 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 6: Now. 529 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 9: That's going to be no surprise to the two members 530 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 9: we've got here from Alice Springs who see that sort 531 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 9: of thing all the time. 532 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 10: But we've got to do something differently what we're doing 533 00:24:59,600 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 10: at the moment. 534 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 7: The alcohol policy isn't working, and we know in Central 535 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 7: Australia that the lack of services in the bush, the 536 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 7: luck the fact that a lot of clinics are not 537 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 7: open full time or open at all. We've got police 538 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 7: stations that are not open full time. You've got young 539 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 7: people that are feeling bored and disconnected to their communities. 540 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 7: They're all coming into town, they don't have anywhere to live, 541 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 7: and the problem just goes. 542 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 4: On and on and on. 543 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 7: You can't take your eye off the born Natasha. You know, 544 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 7: I know you've been busy saving the world from COVID, 545 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 7: and thank you for that. But meanwhile, alcohol policy has 546 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 7: been put on hold for a couple of years, and 547 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 7: we're all bearing the brunt right across the territory. 548 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 4: I think, and do you know. 549 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: What I also look, I think that it's not only 550 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 2: that alcohol policy, but even earlier in the week when 551 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: I did speak to Travis Wiz from the police, we've 552 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 2: spoken about an incident that occurred earlier in the week 553 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: where a lady was walking in Coconut Grove and was 554 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: essentially robbed a couple of teenagers. Now from what he 555 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 2: had said, they were people that were living rough in 556 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: one of the nearby park areas from what I can gather, 557 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 2: But they were young people. 558 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: They weren't you know, I'm not talking adults here, So. 559 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: You've got to ask yourself, you know why if we've 560 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: got a situation where there are young people who are 561 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: in town with their families and are able to then 562 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: not attend school and are able to not actually you know, 563 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: like this this is across the board, like it's a 564 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: very broad discussion I think that needs to be had 565 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: and I really hope that it is one that the 566 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 2: government is currently having with all of those service providers 567 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: and with education and you know, with all the various 568 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 2: different departments, because it's across the board here, I think 569 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: you'd have to agree that we're not just being let 570 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: down in one space, I e. 571 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: That crime. There's a letdown in a lot of areas here, Okatie. 572 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 6: I think it's around engaging those families and engaging those 573 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 6: young people. And what I mean with that is, so 574 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 6: the Johnstoke Square redevelopment, where I'm going to get a 575 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 6: social housing provider to provide support because we put some 576 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 6: of the most vulnerable people in these situations to manage 577 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 6: a tendancy. We've had some real success with the mental 578 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 6: health public housing program support program that we've got. 579 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 5: We're looking at that, but. 580 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 6: Also engaging these you know, people come into town for 581 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 6: business for medical reasons, and so how can we engage 582 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 6: those young people when they're here in education and meaningful 583 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 6: activities and something going back, you know twenty years ago 584 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 6: when I was teaching at Saint Mary's there was a 585 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 6: close relationship with the Tiwi Islands and children would come 586 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 6: into the school for two or three weeks and participate 587 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 6: in school. The nuns, because we were the nuns were 588 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 6: the principals at Saint Mary's then and also on the 589 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 6: tee Wee's and so there was this flow through and 590 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 6: you know it gave the children. It might not have 591 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 6: been perfect, but it was engaging them in activity each day. 592 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 6: You know, they were learning. And so I think that 593 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 6: it's a part of being adaptable like that here in 594 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 6: the territory. And there's some of the conversations that are certain. 595 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 7: Is that happening, Natasha. I mean, the attendance rates in 596 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 7: remote and very remote areas of the Northern Territory have 597 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 7: never been as low for decades. The statistics speak for themselves. 598 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 7: Kids are not engaging. You're not engaging with the families 599 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 7: and the children in remote and very remote areas of 600 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 7: the Northern Territory. And you know that the Education Minister, 601 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 7: Lauren Mule stands up and gives the most eloquent speeches 602 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 7: of anyone in Parliament, and yet she doesn't appear to 603 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 7: do much. 604 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 4: Apart from that. 605 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 6: There are some good success stories and I think we 606 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 6: have to look at that community leadership and how that 607 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 6: is happening and how we can translate that further. 608 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: Look, we're going to take a very short break because 609 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: there is so much to cover off on this morning. 610 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: You're listening to the week that was or Mix one 611 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: oh four nine. Well, there is so much to cover 612 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: off this morning, and in the studio Joshua Burgoy and 613 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: Robin Landley, Natasha Files and Matt Cunningham, and we know 614 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: that a little bit earlier this week, there's been some 615 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: changes to the chow directions for those who are unvaccinated. 616 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 2: So my understanding is now that if you are unvaccinated, 617 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: you're allowed to go to a sporting event, but you're 618 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: not allowed to get yourself a beer. So essentially, if 619 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: there is a major event more than five hundred people, 620 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,959 Speaker 2: you're now allowed to go if you're unvaccinated, but there 621 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: are certain things that you're not allowed to do, i e. 622 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: Go to the bar and purchase alcohol. But in addition 623 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: to that, we've still got a situation where licensed venues 624 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: you've still got to show your vaccination status. Now it's 625 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: got a lot of people questioning, well, why can I 626 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: go to the footing now unvaccinated? I can go and 627 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: buy myself a pie or a packet of chips, but 628 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: I can't go off and buy myself a BIA. I mean, 629 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: is this a situation with covid or is it a 630 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: situation with alcohol. 631 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 3: I would love to see the health advice that proves 632 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: unvaxed people can go to sporting events and not drink, 633 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 3: but can't have a meal in a restaurant with a 634 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: liquor license. So I need to see that health advice 635 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 3: being given to government. 636 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: It seems very bizarre to me, Natasha. 637 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 6: So there's a number of chow directions, as we know, 638 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 6: across the board, and we're in this precarious position where 639 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 6: we are seeing the case numbers slightly increase, but we're 640 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 6: trying to wind back on those directions. And so after 641 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 6: I finish having lots of fun with you mov, I'm 642 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 6: going to head into another meeting of SEMSE with the show. 643 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 6: And you know, we can't just remove all the directions. 644 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 6: Some of them are intertwined in terms of the sporting 645 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 6: and the major events. It's an acknowledgment that we are 646 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 6: stepping out of the pandemic. We're very conscious of some 647 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 6: of the comments that have been made around you know, 648 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 6: the point that Josh just made around. You know, you 649 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 6: can go for a meal, but going to you know, 650 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 6: perhaps the football where there's more people. 651 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 5: So we're certainly working with the chows. 652 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 9: I just think we're putting an unfair burden on the 653 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 9: people who work in those businesses. I went to the 654 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 9: beach Front for a sneaky lunchtime beer last Friday to 655 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 9: reward myself all throughout, and the poor woman behind the bar, 656 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 9: you know, I walked up and tried to order a 657 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 9: beer and she's like, have you got your VAX certificate? 658 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 9: So then I bought up my phone and I'm trying to, like, 659 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 9: you know, stand there and she's got five people waiting. 660 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 10: You know, I'm holding them up. 661 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 9: You know, she's like getting frustrated that, you know, she 662 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 9: can't serve anyone else, you know. 663 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 10: You know, we're having a scan. 664 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 9: Their licenses in the bottle shop for the BDR that 665 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 9: doesn't work, and then when they're inside behind the bar, 666 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 9: they're having to look for everyone's vacation. 667 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 4: Must have been a bee. 668 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 7: After a couple of bees, you become a bit breathy 669 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 7: and rest and want to sort of kiss. 670 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 4: Someone or breathe all over someone. You know what happens 671 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 4: all the time, you said, sort of everywhere a drink. 672 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 7: I have to make a discuage you here, I got 673 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 7: COVID from New Year's Eve kissing and drinking and having 674 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 7: a great time with a group of friends. 675 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 4: So you know, it can happen in a lot of cases. 676 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: Though we're talking about literally a restaurant where you know, 677 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 2: where you got to have a quiet meal, you know, 678 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 2: with your family or with your friends, you go to 679 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 2: have a meal. But if you want to have a 680 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: wine as well, well, you're going to have to show 681 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: you VAC status because. 682 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 4: You lose control. Lose control after a couple, I can't 683 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 4: be trusted. 684 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 9: I always thought the reason for all of these vaccination 685 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 9: mandates was to lift the vaccination rate, right, and that's 686 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 9: why I think most people supported them at the time, 687 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 9: because we wanted to get that vaccination rate up. I 688 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 9: think the vaccination rate is at the level that the 689 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,479 Speaker 9: highest level it's going to get to. You know, if 690 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 9: people are holding out from getting VAXs now, they're going 691 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 9: to be the hardcore anti vaxxis. It doesn't matter what 692 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 9: you're going to do, they're not going to get vaccinated, 693 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 9: but they must be like, you know, five percent of 694 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 9: the population. 695 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 10: I don't have the number. 696 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 5: I haven't seen that, so I think third dose I'm interested. 697 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 6: It was about fifty five percent last time I was 698 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 6: looking at it, so I think it is. It is 699 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 6: really important for people because there is a bit of complacency, 700 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 6: you know, stepping in, but that third dose is really vital. 701 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 6: But we're certainly trying to wind these directions back. They 702 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 6: are intertwined with each other. It is quite complex because 703 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 6: we're acknowledging that we've got not only the vaccination but 704 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 6: also the fact that a lot of people in the 705 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 6: community have had it. The health professionals say that that's 706 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 6: another important thing. 707 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: I also say, though we all saw, we also worked 708 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: out towards the. 709 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: End of last week. You can now you can now actually. 710 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: Drop your kids into childcare when you're COVID positive, So 711 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: you know, you can do things like that. Well you 712 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 2: COVID positive, but you can't get a beer at the 713 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 2: footy if you're unvaccinated. Now, I don't know about you guys, 714 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 2: but when I got COVID, I caught it from someone 715 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: who was vaccinated, you know, So I'm just concerned. 716 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 6: Point that you made their Katie, So we made changes. 717 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 6: If you were COVID positive, that you could drop children 718 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 6: to school and childcare. It's meant to be contactless. You 719 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 6: do need to stay in your vehicle just trying. 720 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: To drop a child's child care content. 721 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:25,479 Speaker 5: Kids no childcare center. 722 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 6: But it was around some of the practicalities because if 723 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 6: you were COVID positive, you weren't allowed to take children 724 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 6: to sport or school or childcare. 725 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 5: But equally they were entitled to go. 726 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 6: And so it was a complicated factor, and so that 727 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 6: was acknowledging to be a little more practical. I don't 728 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 6: suggest you drop your two year on the verge. I 729 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 6: suggested to ring your childcare and they'll probably come out. 730 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 6: And the point is clarifying, Robin. 731 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 2: The point is that a lot of people are feeling 732 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 2: very confused by some of these changes, and they're thinking 733 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 2: to themselves, hang on, where's the health advice here. If 734 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 2: somebody can catch a fly while they're COVID positive, but 735 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: they're not able to get a beer at the footy 736 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: if they've not been vaccinated. And I think that this 737 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 2: is where there's a lot of confusion. 738 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 6: Now. 739 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 2: We did ask if we could have the chief health 740 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: officer on the show earlier in the week to try 741 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 2: and clarify this confusion, and we were told that he's 742 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 2: not available. 743 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: And again, I think that this is part. 744 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 2: Of the issue that a lot of people are feeling 745 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: at the moment, is they want to be able to 746 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: just you know, to know exactly what the health advice is, 747 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 2: why it's required, and then you know, then they're able 748 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 2: to make up their own minds, I guess, rather than 749 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 2: everybody's sort of feeling quite confused about what feels like 750 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 2: it is working against some industries and. 751 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 4: It's not punitive, isn't it. It's like if you're not vaccinated, 752 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 4: you can't have it. 753 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 3: At the foot The Cameraman's conference was a classic example 754 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 3: of this. You had you had bushies rocking up at 755 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 3: ten am in the morning, eight am in the morning 756 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 3: to go to a conference and they're being asked for 757 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,479 Speaker 3: their back certificate because they were going to have a drink. 758 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 3: But I believe that was because of the actual size 759 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 3: of the gathering. So that was another rule there. But 760 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 3: now we're going to have the footy the NRL. That's 761 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 3: happening and I think things have now changed. So do 762 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 3: you have to show your activitic to get into the footy? 763 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 6: Well, that was the the point that you made there 764 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 6: was so those events over five hundred and the COVID 765 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 6: management plans. 766 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 5: So this week the direction was issued that you can 767 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 5: go to those. 768 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 9: Large gaps up and then that I then have another 769 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 9: question around what's driving some of those decisions. 770 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 10: Is that changed because they know there's this event coming up? 771 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 2: You know? 772 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 9: And it happened with the protest rallying dah And at 773 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 9: the beginning of the pandemic, where quietly on the Thursday 774 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 9: before the rally was being held, the rules were changed. 775 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 4: There's no such thing as coincidences for two years, there's 776 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 4: no such thing. 777 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 2: Hey, a question that I've got from a listener, It 778 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: says katieurrently, there's only four people in Howard Springs. Can 779 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 2: the minister confirm how many are in Howard Springs? And 780 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 2: then how many police and staff we've still got there? 781 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie. 782 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 6: So, as we've been saying, Howard Springs has been winding down. 783 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 5: We I think we were speaking about this. 784 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 6: We were expecting some repatriation flights during March and April, 785 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,479 Speaker 6: but so far they haven't come to fruition. In terms 786 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 6: of the staffing out there, it has been winding down. 787 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 6: As well at June thirtieth. So the Commonwealth have been 788 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 6: providing the resources on invoice until June thirtieth and then 789 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 6: we'll look at transitioning. So we still need the asset 790 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 6: on standby. But I can absolutely sure people it's not 791 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 6: you know, at the full number of resources when it 792 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 6: had you know, hundreds and hundreds of people. Is there 793 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 6: only four people in their mom there's less than half 794 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 6: a dozen. But I haven't got the latest figure, but 795 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 6: it's certainly quite a small amount. It's a pretty good 796 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 6: I don't think it was, but yeah, that's a good 797 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 6: point that Josh brought up there in our Springs. We've 798 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 6: relinquished the hod facility asset, so hopefully that can go 799 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 6: back to being because I know, well I tried to 800 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 6: get some accommodation and it's it's. 801 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 3: Really tough at the moment if you're traveling down for 802 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 3: patch and right, I tell you what, I hope you 803 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 3: booked last year because you were strugging Josh's place. 804 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 5: Well, somebody else you'll have you up in there. 805 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 2: Someone else has just messaged and said it's actually three 806 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 2: people in Howard Spring. 807 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 8: So because you want to help me out, it's somewhere 808 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 8: between seven and six. 809 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 2: Anyway, we'll take a very short break. You are listening 810 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 2: to Mix one O four point nine three sixty. 811 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 5: It is the week that was. 812 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 2: Well, you are listening to the week that was and 813 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 2: in the studio is Joshua Burgoyne, Robin Lambley, Na Tasha 814 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 2: Files and Matt Cunningham. Now it's certainly been an incredibly 815 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 2: busy week. We know that the federal budget was handed 816 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 2: down earlier in the week. Things were looking positive for 817 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 2: our looking positive for the Northern Territory. More than two 818 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 2: point six billion dollars to be spent on infrastructure projects 819 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 2: across the territory in the coming years, including one point 820 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 2: five billion dollars on a new Darwin Port. What it's 821 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 2: looking like now all new port infrastructure. Simon Birmingham joined 822 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 2: me on the show on Wednesday and I asked him 823 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 2: is this an upgrade to existing infrastructure. 824 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 5: Or is it new? 825 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 2: He said it was going to be new, but there 826 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 2: wasn't really any further detail provider. But we now know 827 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has provided a bit further detail, hasn't he? 828 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 7: Matt a little bit? 829 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 9: A little bit. It's all sort of smoking mirrors, but 830 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 9: you know the government says that it's Middle Arm and 831 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 9: that it's I think upgrade of facilities at Middle Arm. 832 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 9: There've been that speculation before about the US building another 833 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 9: port I think out at Bladon Point, but I don't 834 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 9: think it's going to be that. 835 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 2: No. 836 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 9: My query is one point five billion dollars for this 837 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 9: new port infrastructure. Couldn't we know if the federal government 838 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 9: had committed the seven hundred and fifty million dollars the 839 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 9: Northern Territory government had been asking for ten years ago, 840 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 9: the port that we have would never have needed to 841 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 9: have been on the Chinese. So in the end it's 842 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 9: going to cost us twice as much. 843 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 4: Another lead the ship lift. 844 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 10: There's a lot of. 845 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 9: Questions about isn't it A lot of people have got 846 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 9: a lot of questions about the ship lift. But anyway, anyway, 847 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 9: we shouldn't probably scoff at one point five billion. 848 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 2: Well, and all that infrastructure has been that has been 849 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,919 Speaker 2: announced now. I do have a message on the text 850 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 2: line though somebody is saying, Katie, can you please ask 851 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 2: the politicians about the prawn farm and the dollars that 852 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 2: the Northern Territory government contributed. We know that that now 853 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 2: isn't going ahead by the look of it. No jobs, jobs, jobs, 854 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 2: as the Minister would say, no check on that. 855 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 6: But I was of the understanding that it had been 856 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 6: delayed but it was still happening. But that's just what 857 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 6: I've heard in passing, so don't quote me. 858 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 3: Boy. 859 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 2: I believe that there was a story on the ABC 860 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 2: yesterday and I will try and have a little look 861 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 2: for that to double confirm that. But yes, my understanding 862 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,479 Speaker 2: is that it had been announced. I believe that they'd 863 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 2: made an announcement to the to the agent coming back 864 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 2: to the port. I thought my understanding, but don't quote 865 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 2: me over. Peter Dutton and and others at the federal 866 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 2: level that provided the funding, but it was around the 867 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 2: enabling infrastructure to support those projects. 868 00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 9: So we know that. 869 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 6: So you have obviously your wharves and those access but 870 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 6: then as soon as you step away from that, it's 871 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 6: making sure that you've got the infrastructure to support that 872 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 6: significant good services. 873 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 2: Yes, a report by Matt Bran, Yes, it was that 874 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 2: plans to build the world's largest prawn farm on Lagoon 875 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 2: Station in the Northern Territory have been deemed unviable by 876 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 2: Sea Farms. 877 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 4: Katie. I've been hearing for years that that project was 878 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 4: never going to. 879 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 3: Be viable, the chief ministers holding it up as this 880 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 3: is going to be a fantastic thing. It's been given 881 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 3: major project status. What's actually going to happen is that 882 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 3: now going to come off as well? 883 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 7: And I know a few years ago was identified as 884 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 7: one of the top five economic stimulus generators in the 885 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 7: Northern Territory, and I remember people saying it will never 886 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 7: ever get off the well. 887 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: And look, you know it would have Yeah, that's exactly right. 888 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 2: We all would have liked it to have delivered those 889 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 2: jobs that had been spoken about, but unfortunately it's looking 890 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 2: as though that's not going to be the case. I 891 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,720 Speaker 2: do want to take your cross though, while we obviously 892 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 2: were talking about about the federal budget, but I do 893 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 2: want to talk about some of the other issues that 894 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 2: we're seeing when it comes to politics, and it's certainly 895 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 2: not smooth sailing. I don't think for the seal P 896 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 2: at the moment, the vice president Jed Hansen's resigned from 897 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 2: the party and plans to run in Solomon as an independent. 898 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: Josh, what was your reaction to this? 899 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 3: Look, good luck to Jed. I'll be backing Tina McFarlane, 900 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 3: I can tell you that right now. 901 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 5: Good answer, you'll. 902 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 10: Go where you get into government. 903 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 9: Josh. I think we spoke about this yesterday and I 904 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,760 Speaker 9: think that the biggest winner out of this is Luke Gosling. 905 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 906 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 9: You know, he's just must be sitting back rubbing his 907 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 9: hands together saying thank you very much. 908 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 7: I'll be call out to all the Conservatives in the 909 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 7: Northern Territory. We have to get our acts together. Truly, 910 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 7: this has just gone on for too long. Are you 911 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 7: going to do you want to read your fragmentation. No, 912 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 7: I'm happy where I'm sitting around at the moment, but 913 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 7: it's really sad to see that this is continued. 914 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 2: Well, I think the biggest thing is, you know, no 915 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 2: matter what happens around the Northern Territory, you need a 916 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 2: strong government, you need a strong opposition. And very often 917 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,280 Speaker 2: we see that party politics go on behind the scenes, 918 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 2: no matter what political party you're talking about, and it 919 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 2: does overshadow the work that Territorians actually want done. But 920 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 2: it's this is going to be interesting because it really 921 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 2: it has the potential obviously then to split that Conservative vite. 922 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, he hasn't been caught sniffing Kkaine. He hasn't 923 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 3: been caught doing anything wrong. He's just decided to go 924 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 3: his own way, so that's his decision. 925 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:32,919 Speaker 4: Well that's true. 926 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 2: Well, before we rap for the morning, I was we 927 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 2: also know Senator Sam McMahon she as she is leaving, 928 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 2: and she did. 929 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: She made a pretty explosive speech on her way out, 930 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: didn't she. 931 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 5: Matt E was. 932 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 10: And obviously she. 933 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 9: Repeated allegations that have been aired before about issues with 934 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 9: her chief of staff. For former chief of staff Jason 935 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 9: Riley is a director of the CLP, and she made 936 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 9: those allegations in parliament. One thing that I find interesting 937 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 9: about this whole situation, so those allegations were first reported 938 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 9: probably two years ago, and we're in this era of 939 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 9: the me too movement and everything else. But I've never heard, 940 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 9: you know, the people who usually stand up on these 941 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 9: issues and stick up for women who may have been 942 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 9: the victims of violence, I've never heard anyone stand up 943 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 9: for Sam McMahon under those circumstances. I've never you know, 944 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 9: she's never put in the same baskets as people like 945 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 9: Britney Higgins or others who are subjected to similar abuse. 946 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 9: And we need to make it clear that that Jason 947 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 9: Riley has never given his version of events. She raised 948 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 9: this in Parliament during her valedictory speech, and we've never 949 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 9: heard his side of the story. But I mean that 950 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 9: there have been other situations where simply allegations have been 951 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,760 Speaker 9: made and the assumption is, well, we have to believe 952 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 9: the woman involved in this situation, and therefore, you know, 953 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 9: there's been a whole heap of sympathy towards the woman 954 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 9: and a whole heap of outrage directed towards a man 955 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 9: in that situation. 956 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 10: In this situation with Sam McMahon, that has not happened 957 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 10: to be silence. 958 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 7: Look, i'd like to acknowledge Sam McMahon. I've got a 959 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 7: lot of time for Sam. I think she's very intelligent, 960 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 7: she's a professional woman. She's a doctor of veterinary science. 961 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,839 Speaker 7: She's obviously been very successful. She's wealthy, she's independent. She's 962 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 7: everything you want in a politician, a local member, a senator. 963 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,439 Speaker 7: I think what's happened to Sam is very unfortunate. I'd 964 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:40,720 Speaker 7: like to wish her all the best. 965 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I think well done to Sam, and 966 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 2: she can hold her hid high. Obviously leaving the Federal 967 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 2: Parliament now before we wrap up just very briefly. I 968 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 2: think it would be remiss of me not to mention 969 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 2: the fact that Colin Wicking has well put that cap 970 00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 2: on his pen to finish up those wonderful cartoons said 971 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 2: he brings to territorians each and every day. Yesterday was 972 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 2: his last one. I'm a massive fan of his work. 973 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 2: I think he hits the nail on the head each 974 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 2: and every time. And he's a real loss. 975 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 3: It's a real loss. 976 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 10: He's an institution Wicking. 977 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 9: And I can say as someone who spent a couple 978 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 9: of years as his editor, he gave me plenty of 979 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 9: sleepless nights. 980 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 10: But he had an amazing. 981 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 9: Ability to cut through, to cut through the spin and 982 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 9: the bull dust and just to get right to the 983 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 9: point of an issue. And I think that, you know, 984 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 9: Territorians are going to miss him greatly, but he's made 985 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 9: an amazing contribution to the Northern territory. 986 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 2: And absolutely do you guys get scared worrying what he's 987 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 2: going to draw you like, how are you going to 988 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,400 Speaker 2: be illustrated? 989 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 6: In the past why, I used to read the paper, 990 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,360 Speaker 6: the sports at the back and see what was happening 991 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 6: and then flicked to Wicking and that's going back many 992 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 6: years before I was even in parliaments. 993 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,919 Speaker 5: I think that, yeah, he'll certainly there was a void 994 00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 5: today in the paper. 995 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,879 Speaker 3: I say a picture, you know, it tells a story 996 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 3: of a thousand words. I think with Wikings sometimes it 997 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 3: was closer to two thousand. 998 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, no, dush, Robin, I'm sure he used to 999 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: draw you. How were you ever unhappy with the way 1000 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: that you're illustrated? 1001 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 6: Never? 1002 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 9: I once received a complaint from an advisor, a government 1003 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,359 Speaker 9: and adviser about Wicking, and I said to that advice said, 1004 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 9: do you really want me to relay this complaint to 1005 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,279 Speaker 9: Colin Wicking? Because there will be nothing surer than the 1006 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 9: fact that said politician will feature many moms. 1007 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: Well that is it for the week that was this morning. 1008 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: Thank you all so much for joining us. 1009 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,400 Speaker 2: Of course, Joshua Burgoyne, Robin Lamley, Natasha Fhiles, Matt Cunningham. 1010 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: We always appreciate your time on the show. 1011 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 3: Thank you, Koby, thank you. 1012 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty