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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf on Mix one oh four

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Speaker 1: point nine thanks to Joyce Main Darwin.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty minutes after nine o'clock and joining us live

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Speaker 2: in the studio is the opposition leader Leah fanochiiro good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. Into your listeners now, Lea.

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Speaker 2: The big news this morning is that it's been confirmed

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Speaker 2: that those who want to walk the likes of the

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Speaker 2: jat Buller Trail, the Larapinta Trail and the Tabletop Track

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Speaker 2: are going to have to pay twenty five dollars per night,

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Speaker 2: up to a maximum of one hundred and twenty five

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Speaker 2: dollars for five or more nights. This new fee structure

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Speaker 2: is going to be introduced from July one, but Territorians

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Speaker 2: are still going to be able to access those walking

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Speaker 2: trails for free, apparently if you're undertaking single day walks

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Speaker 2: or runs. Leah, wats your reaction to the introduction of

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Speaker 2: these fetes.

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Speaker 1: We've been really horrified by this, Katie, because of course

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Speaker 1: we know it's a knee jet reaction to the fact

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Speaker 1: that the Gunner government doesn't have a plan to pay

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Speaker 1: down our hideous eight point four billion dollar debt, and

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Speaker 1: now it's threatening our tourism industry, and of course calls

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Speaker 1: eventually having to pay. I think people, you know, to

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Speaker 1: some extent, don't mind paying a little bit if they

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Speaker 1: thought it was going to go back into the park.

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Speaker 1: But of course we've had very mixed messaging from the

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Speaker 1: Gunner government about this, and at a time when COVID

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Speaker 1: has impacted our world and we are looking to secure

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Speaker 1: out the biggest portion of interstate travelers to the territory

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Speaker 1: as we possibly can, we don't want any disincentives to

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Speaker 1: get in the way of them deciding to pick the

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Speaker 1: territory to come and explore. So we've got real questions

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Speaker 1: around what the cost benefit of this is actually going

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Speaker 1: to be. I mean, we already know it's going to

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Speaker 1: cost millions of dollars to create the system, and then

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Speaker 1: of course, if there's going to be all these fees involved,

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Speaker 1: it's probably going to require an additional few public servants

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Speaker 1: to administer that booking system. So, you know, are we

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Speaker 2: I guess the argument is that that money is then

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Speaker 2: so that hopefully we've got better infrastructure and we're able

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Speaker 2: to actually really capitalize on some of those great walking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is a great myth okatie. Of course,

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Speaker 1: we've had the Chief Minister, who's also the treasurer, come

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Speaker 1: out and say, well, you know, all revenue raised by

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Speaker 1: the main bucket of money, which is obviously a very

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Speaker 1: small bucket. And then we've had the Attorney General, Selena

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Speaker 1: Eubo come out and say no, no, that's going to

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Speaker 1: go back into our parks. Now that completely remains to

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Speaker 1: be seen. When know money goes back into the pot,

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Speaker 1: and whether or not parks actually get a bigger budget

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Speaker 1: when it comes budget time will remain to be seen.

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Speaker 1: And budget's coming forward in a couple of months, so

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Speaker 1: it'll be really interesting to see if a single dollar

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Speaker 1: and I don't actually think it's going to make any

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Speaker 1: time they pay back the infrastructure costs to set up

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Speaker 2: Well, we are going to be catching up with the

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Speaker 2: we also know that there are going to be new

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Speaker 2: Ten dollars per adult or twenty five for a family

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Speaker 2: say now these don't come into place until July one.

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Speaker 2: It gives people a little bit of time. I mean,

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Speaker 2: in some instances we're literally talking about a few dollars,

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Speaker 2: does it you know, is it really worth having a

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Speaker 1: I think it is, because, you know, our unique territory

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Speaker 1: and go, wow, you've destroyed those things I used to

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Speaker 1: So lifestyle is a really important part of territory living.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're in Central Australia or in the top end,

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Speaker 1: whether the parks will actually see a single extra dollar investment, but.

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Speaker 3: The fact that the debt is what is driving this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when you spend all your money

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Speaker 1: recklessly and you have nothing left in the bank, you

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Speaker 1: It's already their taxes that the government's blown and now

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Speaker 1: you want them to pay more. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: tax by another name, and I just fundamentally, you know,

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Speaker 1: my team don't support that in any erosion of our lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: We're very very concerned about and this government will say, oh,

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Speaker 1: territories don't have to pay, but my answer to that

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Speaker 2: One of the areas that people are obviously quite worried

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Speaker 2: like to see some investment to keep it open, these

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Speaker 2: Windows on the Wetland. There doesn't seem to be any

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon needs to happen there? I mean,

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Speaker 1: You know, Windows on the Wetland was closed I think

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Speaker 1: Closed for huge amounts of last year. There was investment

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's an iconic part of the territory. I

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Speaker 3: To take my kids there often, Katie.

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Speaker 1: And it's just there's nowhere else in the top end

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Speaker 1: the Gunner government to give up once again, because sure

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Speaker 1: it costs money to run, there's no escaping that. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, can you say, on one hand, though, Lea,

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Speaker 1: No, because it comes back to the same issue. If

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Speaker 1: our budget wasn't so broke, this wouldn't be a really

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Speaker 1: And I mean they talk about tourism and you know,

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Speaker 1: COVID and crime. They're on their knees and they're asking

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Speaker 3: It's just devastating.

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Speaker 2: On that note, I know that you're in Ellie Springs

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Speaker 2: on the weekend. What did locals have to say to

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Speaker 2: been so high on their agenda for such a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it has.

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Speaker 1: And Marie Claire Boothby, I Shadow Minister for Tourism, she

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Speaker 3: And then I also went out until.

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Speaker 1: Two o'clock in the morning, which is the first time

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Speaker 1: in a long time I'd been up till two Katie,

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Speaker 1: certainly the concerns are very, very high. There are large

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Speaker 1: So things are things that really died down there, and

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Speaker 1: I just urge the Gunner government and the Chief Minister

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Speaker 3: You know, it's the whole point of it. It's so valuable.

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Speaker 3: It was just so valuable. Cadie Lea.

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Speaker 2: I want to move along. I know that that today

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Speaker 2: you have basically said, the Chief Fitness's soft stance on

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether.

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Speaker 2: They've sort of made a formal announcement about this or not,

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Speaker 2: but it sounds as so it's something that you don't do,

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Speaker 1: We just think it shows the Chief Minister's total other

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Speaker 1: utter lack of priorities. I mean, he made comments yesterday

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Speaker 3: I mean, drugs are illegal.

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Speaker 1: We should be supporting people to make the right choices,

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Speaker 1: not take the drug, not to.

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Speaker 3: Have the drug testing.

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Speaker 2: Do we just need to accept that in some cases,

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Speaker 2: it's very unfortunate that some young people or older whatever

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Speaker 2: better for them to maybe have that pill tested rather

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just is crazy. It's a soft on

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Speaker 1: We just think it's a lack of priorities. We need

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Speaker 2: Leah, very quickly, I've got a text here from a listener.

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Speaker 2: It says, so did you actually see mobs of kids? Leah?

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Speaker 2: How come the Chief Minister doesn't seem to see those things?

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Speaker 1: We did, we did. And I also went and visited

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Speaker 3: Leah just quickly.

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Speaker 2: I know that the CLP had the Central Council meeting

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Speaker 2: the pre selection process for those federal seats was delayed.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so as a member of Parliament were not Any

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Speaker 1: to that election. So anyone who's interested in running for

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Speaker 1: that and it's a good opportunity to be part of

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Speaker 1: the Morrison McCormack team going forward and give the territory

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Speaker 2: Compartment put their hands up, of good people put their

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Speaker 1: I don't have that information obviously, but I've heard that

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Speaker 1: important time for our nation. Obviously we need very strong

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Speaker 1: people on the government's team. So if you want to

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Speaker 1: have a good fighting camera and fight for the territory,

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Speaker 1: come and join us.

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Speaker 2: Well. It's going to be interesting to see how it

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Speaker 2: all rolls out on both sides of the fence. Opposition

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Speaker 2: leader leafdoki Airo always good to catch up. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: your time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Kate, take care