WEBVTT - Does Doja Cat Need To Apologise? 🐈 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:05.160 The Flex and Rooms Daily podcast, brought to you by Jasies. 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:09.080 It is us flextor Froom's podcast edition. Today's episode is 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:11.280 super fun. We didn't even scratch the surface of it all. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.080 But it's all about creative ownership in the digital landscape. 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.880 When you put something out into the universe, what ownership 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:19.959 do you have of it by the time it reaches 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:21.480 mass appeal. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.320 Because if you are really happy, you want something to 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.440 go viral. But the more viral you go, the more hmm, 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.400 how do you say iterations? 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:30.680 Yeah? 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.400 There, the more viral your idea goes, probably the less 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.320 associated it is with you, until you become so prolic 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:39.960 everyone's like, oh my god, I know that's a warhole. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:42.560 But I'm sure there are people who know of warholes 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:44.280 paintings and don't know they are a warhole. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.080 Totally me when I was fifteen. Yeah, no, I've read 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.800 about the Mayl Monroe and sold for fifty five. 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:52.360 Million back in the day. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.080 No recently, Oh okay, well you know in the modern times, yeah, 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:57.360 post millennia. 0:00:57.560 --> 0:00:59.600 Anyway, I would love to know what people think about this, 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.640 but honestly, by the time you hear this, I'll be 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.000 over this topic anyway. So don't worry about letting me know, 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.319 but put in your group chats. It's a very important 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.679 topic and I think it will make any creative person 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.720 be a bit more mindful with how protective they feel 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.000 of the things they put on the internet. And if this, 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.319 if that's the case, what measures can be taken to 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:22.280 protect it from being taken? Wow, Americans love trademarking, But 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:27.440 Kardashian shed constantly trademarking constantly, Kylie, yeah, all the time, 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:28.960 any little idea trademarked. 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:31.760 Got more to say about that, But well, do you 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.280 really I just want to say, remember how that cheek 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.759 sued sued McDonald's for the hot coffee? 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:39.440 No, what's ages ago? 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.200 It was this whole thing where like this American woman 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.920 sued McDonald's for she spilt coffee on herself and the 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.240 coffee was too hot, and there was this whole thing about, 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.320 Oh my god, Americans are crazy. They always see people 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.920 what it turns out she had horrific injuries in her 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.920 lap from the coffee actually spilling with her, like injuries 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:59.640 to her labor. So therefore, don't always read that Americans 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:01.360 loves to too, do. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.480 You think will be true? Yeah? True? All right? Whatever. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.760 Australians don't sue enough. We just some people get some 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:09.920 numbers on the board. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.800 And firms f see we both like to share memes. 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:17.120 We do. Would you agree? 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.920 Different brand of me? I think I've found myself in 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:25.440 the reaction expression mean territory more so than like the relatable, 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.560 like I can't believe it's Friday. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.200 I hope that you're not referring to me. No, not 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.720 to say that you are not me, but you are 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.400 a meme creator, not just curator. And that's a whole 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.840 different ballpark. I'm not there. I've been thinking a lot 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.000 about it lately because I haven't felt the urge to 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.639 create memes. Probably my last meme spree that I had 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.760 was during the election and after the election. Toto Anthony 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:53.079 Abaneze adjacent Toto is giving forth much life, which is 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:57.519 Anthony Albanese's a young child dog, total young child dog, 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:58.280 not a puppy. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:02:59.640 No, it's probably. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.440 About four yearsl and it's a boy, but I call 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.440 her she Okay, I digress. Wait, maybe it just a girl. Anyway, 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.280 it's not for me to decide. I don't know how 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.520 she feels about that. But it's been a little while 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.440 in between memes. I have absolutely no desire to make them. 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.240 It's a little bit like something we were talking about 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.959 previously about hobbies and when you don't do your hobbies, 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:16.800 are you still the person? 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:17.720 He's still hobbyists. 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.799 Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm a meme creator any longer. 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.480 How often does one need to make a meme to 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:23.320 be a meme creator? 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.920 Yeah, I was totally averaging usually like once a week. 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:26.639 Yeah, you are it. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.240 I think when I wasn't doing CADI, I had more 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.200 brain space. This show actually takes up more brain space 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.240 than I was aware would. Yeah, yeah, which is good. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.920 I guess if it pays the bills. It's not free 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.320 work anyway. I was also thinking about the millennial pause. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.040 We spoke about this a little while ago. It's been 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.840 making the rounds, particularly in youth media, as we all 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.280 come to the conclusion that maybe we are as young 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:50.040 as we thought we were. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.119 You say, wee, but I'm feeling twenty two? So am I? Yeah, 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:54.920 so am I? But I'm sitting on behalf of others. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:56.920 Oh yeah, of course you did earlier in a meeting, 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.080 say though we're almost thirty, which I don't know if 0:03:59.120 --> 0:03:59.480 I might have. 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:04.200 Said that I don't know if I meant it. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:04.880 Stop it anyway. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:06.760 Yeah, when I read about the millennial pause and the 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.920 fact that like a lot of millennials do a little 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.839 pause before they start speaking, they're aging out of the Internet. Yes, 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.040 I was wondering if these meme formats that we create 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.320 and then we championed are now becoming a bit redundant. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.479 For example, I do think there's a shelf life to 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.480 particular styles of memes. I still see people doing the 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.480 one where it's the guy and the girlfriend. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:25.880 A steel girl and they're looking back. 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.800 It's been co opted by the corporates though, Like I 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.520 see that ad do people know the one so you've 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:35.040 got the girl in the foreground and the guy looking 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:39.080 back at her from the background while he's with another 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.800 while he's with another girl, and it'll be like takeaway 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:44.919 is the main girl, and then the couple with the 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:46.880 guy will be like the food that's already in your fridge. 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.640 And I remember when we remember when we were in 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.640 internet like it's over. I remember when I first started out, 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.400 when I was like in two thousand and twelve, there 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.279 was that meme with the big block riding up the 0:04:58.279 --> 0:04:59.600 top and down the bottom and it would be like 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.000 a picture to be like I used to drink alcohol. 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:04.919 I still do, but I used to as well. Stuff 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:05.120 like that. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.120 Anyway, I'm thinking about TikTok and the proliferation of video 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:13.440 and average people making videos and Irish people, you know, everybody, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.360 you know, people that are fifty years old getting to 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:20.920 people us. It's different though. Men creators used to be 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.640 a particular brain. Now everybody is a meme creator and 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.560 for the grady good. But I think now humor is 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.120 going to move completely. It's quite abstract at the moment. 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.760 I'd say for me, the funniest thing that I'm saying 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.240 that's a new generation thing is the use of sounds 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:39.839 being funny. Yes, and it's like random sounds, like like 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.320 something crashing into a water or like ragman, And it's 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.000 the funniest thing ever. So I'm just wondering how that's 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.800 going to translate to static memes, Like what's the use 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.159 of static memes anymore? If almost all of our social 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.880 media is moving image base. 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.760 Yeah, I still think there's a place for just static, 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:00.760 plain old pickies reactions, because do you know what I 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:02.760 find is happening, Like you said, we are in a 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:06.320 very abstract place with memes, where they're really hyper specific, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.080 hyper specific, or very niche and say, if you don't 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.320 get it exactly how it's meant to be got, you 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.560 can't even enjoy it. And I think that's going to 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.560 run its course a little bit, and then we're going 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.039 to go to a place where we just let the 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:22.600 pictures do the talking. So very similar to what you 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.839 would experience on Twitter. So someone tweets with words and 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.760 then a lot of the responses are just images. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:31.520 they say what they need to say. If you get it, 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.279 you get it, you know you don't. It's like gif 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.480 reacts in messages. Yeah, it's pretty rudimentary. 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:36.360 We didn't do that enough. 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:40.240 Really, I've started using my memoji, which is the stupid thing. Yes, 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.120 and I love it. I'm gonna try and make it 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:43.960 a thing. I do want to know that our meme 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.680 literacy has become so great that I think even the 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.920 word meme is going to become obsolete. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:50.280 Oh yeah, so what. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.840 Is the Really, it's just accurate anthropological observation about the world. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:55.440 Meme is also a bit like. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.400 Memo, accurate observational. 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:06.080 What's the last word anthropological accurate anthroological, anthrop observation, logical observation, 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.440 the AO Sharon Io. I like that. We'll see how 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.080 it goes. We will flex and meme. 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.240 Queen Dojah Cat one of our faves. I don't know 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:15.960 how you feel about her. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:17.320 I really like Doja Cat. 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.080 Yeah, I'm a big fan. Well, she's found herself in 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:24.000 a bit of controversy first when she shaved her head 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:25.840 and people thought she was having a mental breakdown and 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.840 feigning like sympathy for her, being like, you know, my 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.160 heart goes out to dojo and she's like, babes, I'm 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.000 rich and I'm allowed to play with my look, don't 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:39.360 worry about me. Recently, though, she launched a new website 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.160 and a clothing brand, and the name of this new 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:48.160 website and clothing brand is It's giving. Oh okay. Now, 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:52.320 the issue with this because on surface value, no issue. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.920 We all know the phrase. We know where it came from. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.200 Or do we? So? 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.680 The phrase it's giving came from a creator called Rolling Ray. 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.160 And now, if you find yourself on black Twitter or 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.200 that part of the internet, Rolling Ray isn't a nobody, 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:11.440 a very prolific meme creator, somebody who is constantly coming 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.480 up with catchphrases and cool statements that the rest of 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.400 the Internet is taking. It's not the first time it's happened. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:23.120 It's giving definitely came from Rolling Ray years ago, right definitely, 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.640 And then you could say that like broadly came from 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:29.520 the drag community and whatever. But the phrase, the first 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.319 meme that It's Giving came from was a viral video. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.440 Of Rolling Ray doing like what was he doing? 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.280 Kind of like complimenting someone. Oh, it's giving what it 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.880 needed to give honey, like that type of thing. So, like, 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:42.400 we know where it came from, and if you don't 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.640 like it, you can easily trace it back. The meme 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:52.360 has origines, orangines, the meme origins. So of course, the 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:56.400 thing about its giving is that Dojer went and trademarked 0:08:56.440 --> 0:09:00.360 the phrase last year. Which the thing about trademark is 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.560 it's first come, first served. If it's a phrase that 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.600 nobody has trademarked before, and you go on trademarket, it's 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.880 yours to keep. If for some reason you want a 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:11.079 trademark a phrase that has already been trademarked, you cannot. 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.720 You can contest it and say it is mine. I 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.600 used it first it's more well known from me using it, sure, 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.880 but it's expensive to trademark, and it's expensive to contest 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:25.000 an existing trademark. You can trademark things in different categories, 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.880 like I can trademark, for example, my conversation card game reflex. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.040 I can trademarket in conversation card games, but it got 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.840 contested because there's a reflex paper brand my card game 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.960 saying the paper bit too close, so I had to 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:44.720 do reflex. A conversation card game was the full trademark, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.440 which means that if somebody makes a conversation card just 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.480 calls it reflex, they're not infringing on my trademark. It's 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.719 messy stuff. So in this instance, everyone's like, okay, this 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.000 number one, she's stolen the phrase, stolen whatever, She's used 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:02.040 the phrase, but she's trademarkd So it's now officially not 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.720 legal for someone else to use its giving in the 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:10.319 context of clothing without Dojacat being able to sue them. 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.200 And unfortunately the clothes aren't that good. 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.160 Damn yeah, I know they're not good. Let me show 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.720 you so you can see you get it up. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.959 We're going to take this conversation over to the podcast 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:27.280 to talk about doja cat are infringing on copyright rules 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.360 and the origins of memes and whether or not they 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.000 are owned by a particular person. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:33.680 There's so much to discuss, too much. 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.360 So if you want to see what the doja cat 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.920 It's giving a power collection looks like it was launched 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:43.160 with this really cool campaign idea that I want to steal. 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.320 Basically looks like a bunch of old school paparazzi shots 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.520 of her and her friends shopping wearing the merch wears 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:51.280 it really well, he'll give you a little sneak a peak. 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.240 It just keeps swiping left. So I would describe the 0:10:55.280 --> 0:11:00.760 collection as baby teas g strings with really juvenile tunish 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.520 artwork but a good way. 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.080 The pictures look like she's at Bunnings. 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.679 Yeah, it looks very Bunnings plant store, trade store. The 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.280 clothing just looks like really bad merch. Okay, the reasons 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.800 why it's bad. The T shirt is the wrong shape. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:17.000 What shape is it? 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.800 It's a boxy T shirt though neckline is good because 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:21.959 it's nice and high, but it's cut out kind of 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.479 like a semi circle. Semi circle, the front of semicircle, 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.960 the backs of semicircle, whereas I prefer a more straight 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:32.160 cut teeth. Yeah, my personal preference the tank top that 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.199 that the guy's wearing. It has an applique it's giving 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.120 that looks as if it's kind of coming off the shirt. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:41.200 What fond is that comic sansy ish ish. It's more 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:42.480 it's a rounded bubble font. 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.720 It's a round a bubblefont that you'd say like Bluey's 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:45.960 conlcate bluise. Yeah. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:50.200 Yeah, interesting. It's just if the if. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:54.280 The collection was so good, like every single piece in 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:55.680 the line, you're like, oh my good, I have to 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:59.760 have it. I'd be willing to figure the copyright of fringement. 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:02.319 The sucks are pretty cute, yeah, but not good enough 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.360 to be like stealing someone's catchphrase trade barking it so 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.760 they can't use it freely. Because if Rolling Ray wanted 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:10.920 to make merch with its giving, well he's infringing on 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:12.520 Doza's trademark. 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:13.760 Yeah, that's really tricky. 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:18.120 Copyriting and where memes and sayings come from is it's 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.079 not I wouldn't call it a slippery slope because that's 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.800 not my it's not my decision to choose where things 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.040 come from. Because everything that I say is derivative of 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.920 certain things of course, particularly like you say black Twitter. 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:30.840 I don't think people are aware that black twitter is 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:31.360 even a thing. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:36.640 Dojah would be hmm, dojah is black Twitter. She's on it, 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:38.880 she's in it. Does that mean doesn't mean she's allowed 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:39.240 to though? 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.400 I feel like you know, when you copy something and 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.960 it's like derivative, right, Like it's on your Pinterest. It's 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:47.920 the amalgamation of a bunch of stuff that you picked 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.440 and plucked from anywhere. It's hard to know what you've copied. 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.200 You're like, like, I got it from somewhere. I don't 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:58.640 know the reference. But if tomorrow I made merch and 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.360 it was Shrek mert peop would be like, oh, that's 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.360 your jacking through me style there, Like it's a bit 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.679 it's a bit close to home, right, So like, even then, 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.280 I don't own the copy mark for Shrek at all, 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.800 the copy mark the copyright of the trademark for Shrek. 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.000 But still in a social and a cultural way, it's 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.240 very clearly your brand. If I went out of my 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.520 way to now say I am the number one Australian 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.439 Shrek influencer, you'd be like, Okay, babe. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.800 Which, to be honest, I didn't even choose it chose me. 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.280 It chose you because like Twilight chose me. 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.520 Yeah you have flex World. Yeah what's that? Well, Flexworld 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:33.960 is my holding company. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.080 Right, and you didn't think Froom's World. Oh I didn't 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.319 see you have no idea? Yeah I know, Well I 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.920 got mine from Wayne's World. So I'm not going to 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.960 be pointing any fingers, especially when you're doing something like 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.520 the Internet without the whole reason. Well, a big reason 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.840 of why, for example, I'm popular would be because I 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.320 reference certain things that have already happened, people resonate more 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:55.920 with them and then putting a spin on it, and 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:57.920 it goes back to a whole argument. 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.360 Of like where does art come from? 0:13:59.480 --> 0:13:59.680 Where? 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.600 Yes, things have to always be in reference to other things. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.560 So in this instance, that's why people are torn because 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:11.160 they're kind of like, yes, you started this phrase by technicality, 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:17.520 but it got popularized by the Internet broadly taken mishmashed. 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.280 You could ask ten people where they heard the phrase from. 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:21.800 They'd be like, Oh, I heard it from rooms first, 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.120 or I heard it from this person first, or like, 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.640 oh no, it's definitely from this podcast. It's where I 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.600 heard it, and so now you have all these different 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.360 people taking micro ownership of this thing that has a 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.600 very clear source. But then on the other perspective, it's 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.160 like it's two words that have existed and will exist. 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.480 Before you, after you and around you. 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.240 If you weren't gonna trademarket and you weren't gonna release it, 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.280 then is it just sitting there in the hopes that 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:47.720 you might do something with it? 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:48.400 Totally? 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.000 And I honestly think people that kick up stink and 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.560 say oh, like when something is popular that they did 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.480 first and it gets popular by someone else, it can 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.520 be very tempting to say, oh, that was mine, But 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.960 it just comes from a scarcity mindset, exactly just being 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.840 pissed that you didn't do it exactly. Unfortunate as that is. 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.560 It's a red herring and it's a sign that you 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.800 got to just if you have a good idea, just 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:10.560 fucking crank it. 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:11.240 Yeah. 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.640 It reminds you of when I made my conversation card 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.280 games reflex and then when other people started making them, 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.520 people would come to my dams like they're copying him, 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.080 Like it's not a unique idea. The card like asking 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:26.920 questions exists putting on paper exist and it's a card game. 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.080 Like if I'm gonna start beefing over this, I got 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.400 a beef over everything now, Like it's just not that deep. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.360 We have different audiences, we have different approaches to this, 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.400 like one product, we can both live with it. And also, 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.760 you're right, it's the abundant mentality of being Like for 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.320 you to know, for you to even have the think, 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.280 the thought that it's been copied is enough for me, 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.080 Like you already know, you know my product. It's fine, 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.880 But I think it's heaps s tricky because it's not 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:54.720 even tricky. But I think, like you said, it's a 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:59.000 greater conversation around like when we start applying micro ownership 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.200 to every idea that was the sum of another idea, 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.480 that was something of another idea, where do we start 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:08.120 and stop? And if you do the thing you do 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.400 so well, people will know it came from you. 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:16.320 Yeah, facts, so you shouldn't need it. Assert dominance. Yeah, tricky, 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.200 very but hurt areas, but it's juicy. 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:21.800 I want to see how it evolves though, because I 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.760 think even if she be like I'm so sorry, it's done, 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.080 like this has been made. Yeah, this is not an 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.560 apology kind of situation. You would have to start explaining 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.760 the intricacies of trademarking to every single wason. It's like, 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:34.920 I don't understand what the issue is. 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:35.320 I don't. 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.040 They don't have the time. I don't have the time. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.800 Anyway, They're wanna go down, go down, go down. Let 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.640 me see you go to the office and get it copyrighted. 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:45.200 Doja please? 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.680 And she did it. Congrats. This is flex and frooms. 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.240 Now. It is not an uncommon narrative for people to 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.600 be beeping with their landlords and their real estate agents. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.200 I for one, you know, that's my current experience. But 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.280 I was reading this really terrified an article that was 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.600 talking about a huge number of New South Wales tenants 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:08.000 are being evicted because landlords are deeming their houses to 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:09.000 be uninhabitable. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.240 But here's the kicker. What is happening, or. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.760 The trend that people are observing, is that tenants are 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.159 going to their landlord and saying, hey, there's heaps of 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.040 water damage, there's heaps of mold here. I can't live 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.680 in these conditions. It's not safe for me. Landlord's going okay, great, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:29.000 you're evicted. Because if a place is uninhabitable, you do 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.719 not have to give notice before you kick somebody out 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.879 because it's the health hazard. So I think it's like 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.119 this almost like a why not where like if you 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:38.720 don't want to live here, fine, you're evicted. 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.120 We'll find somebody else who will. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.200 So it's getting to that point where people are having 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:46.080 to deal with the consequence of living in a place 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.600 that's not safe for purpose, or experiencing a no ground 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.240 to viction and not having a leg to stand on 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:56.520 for that. So I don't know what the warning here is, 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.120 whether this is a cautionary tale or just you know, 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.960 to be mindful what the reality is. But they say 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.359 it's a rising number and big enough they can they 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:09.400 can see the trend like it's a loophole that allegedly 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.600 some landlords are relying. 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:15.440 On the government step in. I don't know. That's hectic. 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:16.359 I don't know. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.280 I could definitely like I could have been kicked out 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.440 by night. I always complain about the mold. My shower 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.680 is literally half of its brown. 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.520 Now in the mold. When I leave, am I gonna get? 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.520 Am I gonna get? Like? Is it my fault? It's 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:30.679 it's hard to know. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.760 Also, because tenants do have a responsibility to make sure 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.520 that the house remains in conditions that are appropriate to 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:40.119 live in. I often think that this is where the 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.920 real estate comes in. Like it's your job to meet 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.159 the demands of both the tenant and the landlord, to 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.720 ensure that everybody's either equally as happy or equally is unhappy. 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:55.160