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Speaker 3: name is the one and only Amanda keller A Madda.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me on the Happy Families Lightning Round.

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Speaker 1: Thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 3: Tell us how many kids you have in how old

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Speaker 3: they are, Amanda, I have two sons.

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Speaker 1: Liam is twenty one and Jack is nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Now a well publicized story that you had these kids

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Speaker 3: for you. Do you have a favorite child.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a favorite child, and if I did,

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Speaker 2: it probably would wax and weigh and change from day

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Speaker 2: to day. Liam is very much like my husband. He's

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Speaker 2: in to him. Liam is wanting of nothing. Jack is

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Speaker 3: I love your insight that he's like you because you're hilarious.

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Speaker 3: I love that you own that. That's great. Who do

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Speaker 3: you love the most? I didn't even think I said that.

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Speaker 1: That's terrible.

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Speaker 3: I picked it up. Who you love the most? Your partner,

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Speaker 2: Different kinds of love probably if a train was coming

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Speaker 3: I love it all right now. This is obviously a

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Speaker 3: tougher question because of your fertility journey. Ideal number of

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Speaker 2: I think three means a bigger car. I think two,

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Speaker 2: and you know, harder holidays, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, two is convenient, that's for sure. How do

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Speaker 3: you rate yourself as a parent, Amanda? Give yourself a

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Speaker 1: Overall, I'd say I'd be a seven.

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Speaker 3: What's something great that your parents did that you've tried

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Speaker 2: My mother and I used to laugh at it, and

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Speaker 2: I used to sort of sneer at it. Mum always

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Speaker 2: I think I've in a way pushed my children. If

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Speaker 2: So I think I've taken my mum's love of apostrophes

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Speaker 3: Got a fun question for you, who's the better parent?

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Speaker 2: Harley High and I tag team with our parenting. I

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Speaker 2: I thought, how hard it is for single parents who

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Speaker 3: I love your empathy, and I also love the way

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Speaker 3: you completely avoided deciding who was better out of you

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Speaker 3: and Harley ah Me. Okay, what's the hardest thing, Amanda

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Speaker 1: I found teaching them to drive one of the hardest things.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was terrible, and Harley didn't want to do it,

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Speaker 1: Without you having to do it.

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Speaker 1: It was terrible. I think I found that one of

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Speaker 3: I'm a parenting expert. I'm not supposed to get mad

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Speaker 3: out of my mouth that I just don't I don't

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Speaker 3: I love your answer on that question. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I think I called out, oh you're friggin idiot, and

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Speaker 3: It wasn't someone out the window. It was the beginningside

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Speaker 3: the car, Amanda. Now that your kids are of age,

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Speaker 1: And why is it just an hour?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what? Yes, but we've had other people

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Speaker 2: I think only because I'm in the hormonal drop zone

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Speaker 2: I have mixed emotions when I see little toddlers at

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Speaker 1: I miss that. I just miss it. I think probably

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Speaker 2: And then one day maybe at ten and eight, where

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Speaker 2: the drop zone. That was brilliant, but it was recently

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Speaker 2: So a snippet of them being babies, a snippet of

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Speaker 2: that would be my dream.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's certainly cheating that. I love your answer. What's

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Speaker 2: For many years, I didn't think anyone would call me mum,

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Speaker 3: Well, you got me, you got me weeping? Well done.

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Speaker 3: What's that thing, Amanda that your parents always said that

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Speaker 2: Oh there's a few of those, you know. It's not

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not going to do that. You're sure you

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Speaker 2: I do it all the time, and even now when

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Speaker 2: At the end of every conversation, I almost I have

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Speaker 3: What's the boys favorite thing to do with you?

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Speaker 2: I think when we're all sitting around a table having

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Speaker 1: Or do any of that.

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Speaker 2: my favorite thing to do with them. Theirs to do

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Speaker 1: That's where we're at our best.

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Speaker 2: I think my.

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Speaker 3: Mum's vision of heaven is all six of her kids

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Speaker 1: I often I'm away. I'm going to cry again.

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Speaker 2: I've got a couple of friends who've had some cancer

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Speaker 2: The words that want to come out that will come

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Speaker 2: That's all I want is these fabulous boys that I'm

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Speaker 2: that's all I require of them.

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Speaker 3: I love talking to you. I love talking to you.

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Speaker 1: Made me cry a lot today justin it's not fair.

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Speaker 3: If you could go back to you as a young mum. Well,

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Speaker 1: Don't be scared. You're not going to break them.

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Speaker 2: Sure they may fall down the stairs on your watch,

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Speaker 3: Final question, what's been your biggest win as a mum?

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Speaker 3: This has been such a beautiful lightning round, Amanda. Thank

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Speaker 3: you for making our day loved.

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Speaker 1: Thank you really.

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Speaker 3: Enjoying these lightning rounds. Thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 3: me on the Happy Families Podcast. More great interviews tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, I hope you continue to enjoy a

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Speaker 3: into the final run home at the end of year.

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Speaker 3: From Tuesday, October four. As always, the Happy Families podcast

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