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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf. Join the conversation with Katie Wolf.

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Speaker 2: You are our eyes and ears in the territory mixed

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Speaker 2: one oh four point nine.

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Speaker 3: Well, I tell you what, the phone lines are going

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Speaker 3: absolutely berserk. We have had a lot of messages coming

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Speaker 3: through this morning following on from that interview with the

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Speaker 3: Chief Minister, and I will get to those text messages

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Speaker 3: throughout the morning. But we know that the latest Northern

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Speaker 3: Territory crime statistics were released late on Friday, and joining

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Speaker 3: us in the studio to talk a little bit more

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Speaker 3: about them, it is Tony Dutram, who's the acting commander

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Speaker 3: for Darwin.

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Speaker 4: I believe, good.

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Speaker 3: Morning to you, Tony. Good morning Katy, thanks so much

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Speaker 3: for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Net pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Now, I know that plenty to get through. There always

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Speaker 3: is when it comes to these crime stats. But as

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Speaker 3: I understand it, crime against the person around the territory

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Speaker 3: has gone up, Hasnash?

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Speaker 1: That's correct, Katie.

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Speaker 4: How much are we talking here.

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Speaker 2: So in relation to fences against the person in the territory.

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Speaker 1: We've seen a fairly consistent scene there in.

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Speaker 2: Relation today's offenses so across the territory, offenses against the

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Speaker 2: person who are up twenty two percent. That's replicated in

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Speaker 2: the area of my command in Darwin by twenty one

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Speaker 3: So when you talk about those offenses against the person,

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Speaker 3: does that sort of refer like what type of offenses

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Speaker 3: are we talking?

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Speaker 2: So that includes things such as assaults, aggravated assaults, and

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Speaker 2: there's also a separate figures we have in relation to

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Speaker 2: domestic violence assaults within households as well.

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Speaker 3: Cadie and how are those domestic violence numbers going? I mean,

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Speaker 3: they're never They always make for pretty grim raating in

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Speaker 3: the territory, don't they.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the correlation between those generalized increases against offenses against

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Speaker 2: are higher with the domestic violence one. So in the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory as a whole, they're up twenty seven percent.

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Speaker 2: For the Darwen area which includes dal named Casarina they're

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Speaker 2: up twenty three percent, and Palmston they're up twenty nine percent.

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Speaker 2: So unfortunately, there's a fairly a linkage also down alcohol.

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Speaker 2: They continues to be a consistent measures and theme that

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Speaker 2: we're seeing across the territory. In the in the latest

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Speaker 2: stats and just for the public's reference Cadie. So these

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Speaker 2: are December twenty twenty statistics in the comparisons to December

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess that's the thing that's always worth

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Speaker 3: noting is it is a snapshot in time. And I

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Speaker 3: know that you know that for you guys, no matter what,

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Speaker 3: you always make sure that you've got resources where people

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Speaker 3: are sort of you know, getting in contact with you

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Speaker 3: and saying that they've got concerns.

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Speaker 4: One of the areas that we hear a lot.

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Speaker 3: About is, you know, is breaking entries and car thefts.

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Speaker 3: But interestingly, right now those stats are down.

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Speaker 1: They are across the territory.

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Speaker 2: The house breakings are down fourteen percent, commercial breakings are

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Speaker 2: down by twenty six percent. For the Darwen and Casina

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Speaker 2: is house breakings are down twenty nine percent, commercial breakings

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Speaker 2: a down thirty six percent. For the Palm scenario, which

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Speaker 2: includes the rural area which has been subject to some

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Speaker 2: recent commentary and discussion, house breakings have increased by two percent.

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Speaker 2: Commercial breakings are down by nine percent.

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Speaker 3: Why do you reckon there's sometimes that you know that

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Speaker 3: sort of I guess difference in the way that people

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Speaker 3: you said, I know it's from December last year, but

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Speaker 3: why do you reckon that?

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Speaker 2: Is? Sometimes the important thing for me, Katie, is regardless

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Speaker 2: of what the stats say at any.

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Speaker 1: Given point in time.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're quite comforted by the fact that property

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Speaker 2: offenses are down across the territory and including generally the

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Speaker 2: including properly crime, the stats mean not too much at all.

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Speaker 2: So what we're clearly focused on at the moment is

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Speaker 2: looking at trying to do some prevention. Consistent messaging from

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory places that properties remain unlocked, vehicles remain unlocked, and.

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Speaker 1: It's not about victim blaming.

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Speaker 2: It's about identifying what we and what members of the

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Speaker 3: And Tony, obviously you're the command of the acting commander

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Speaker 4: How are things going in Alice Springs at the moment?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so in relation to property offenses for that period,

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Speaker 2: I can't speak with authority on those figures and it's

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Speaker 2: breakings have increased in Alice Springs for that period by

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Speaker 2: twenty four percent in relation to houses, and there has

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Speaker 2: been a slight decrease of three percent for commercial breaking.

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Speaker 2: So that's the state of play there. What I can

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Speaker 2: say is in relation to assistance that we've provided from

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Speaker 3: For us tiny One of the other things that we

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Speaker 4: We caught up with Larakie in Nation.

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Speaker 3: We also spoke to Mission Australia about some of the

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Speaker 3: related crime, but also that public intoxication from your perspective

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Speaker 3: and based on the latest crime stats.

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Speaker 4: How are things going in this space?

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Speaker 2: Well, those figures probably speak to themselves, Katie reis to

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Speaker 2: alcohol related crime and offenses against a person. Antisocial behavior

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Speaker 2: do is identify some opportunities to try and break those cycles.

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Speaker 1: It's social amenity is something.

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Speaker 2: That we're in RN Territory police and the Commissioners clearly

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Speaker 2: to try and find some decreases in those areas. This Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: we're kicking off Operation Extra, which is a multi agency

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Speaker 1: Also have an enforcement aspect attached to it.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys find I mean, in terms of that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big issue. And obviously people face an

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Speaker 2: not ideal to have people in police custom We ideally

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Speaker 2: don't want to have people that are intoxicated in police custody.

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Speaker 2: There's opportunity for other agencies. Nations been doing a fantastic job.

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Speaker 2: Their figures have been publicized. Last week, they're talking about

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Speaker 2: fifteen people per day that they're taken into the sobering

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Speaker 2: We're talking about two hundred and forty odd people per

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Speaker 2: but custody rates around that sort of.

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Speaker 1: And that's quite consistent.

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Speaker 2: We also have a large number of people going to

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Speaker 2: as opposed to police custody. So clearly people are in

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Speaker 2: town drinking.

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Speaker 1: Antisocial behavior is an issue. We've all got a part

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Speaker 2: What we need people to do is continue to engage

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Speaker 2: It's easy to sit back and run some commentary, I

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Speaker 2: to have to ask ourselves some hard questions. What does

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Speaker 2: opportunities to improve service delivery in the community. So in Dahn,

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Speaker 2: where you see antisocial behavior, it kind of lead to

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Speaker 2: triple four for general response and or triple zero of

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Speaker 3: Tony, you said there, we are going to have to

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Speaker 4: What type of things do you think we need to

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Speaker 4: really be looking at.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, Katie, what we've been

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Speaker 2: doing for a number of years, we do get good results.

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Speaker 2: The police work hard, other agencies work hard. But if

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Speaker 2: getting the same outcome. Something's clearly not working, so we're

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Speaker 2: people to get intoxicated and then we're acting, we're failing.

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Speaker 2: So we need the territory to be a safe, envibrant

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been here for a long time. You've

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Speaker 2: We've got families here, and it's in all of our

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Speaker 2: it's a great opportunity to get together and see what

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Speaker 3: You've hit the nail on the head there now Operation

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Speaker 3: Extra it's kicking off Thursday.

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Speaker 4: You said, didn't you Wednesday to Friday? How long is

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Speaker 1: For three days, Katie, it's a short, sharp operation, but.

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Speaker 2: There's a number of agencies involved, government, non government.

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Speaker 1: And I said earlier there's some multi facet operation.

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Speaker 2: It's not just about going out and tipping out alcohol

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Speaker 2: But we're looking to engage with people and trying to

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Speaker 2: identify some opportunities to return people back to communities. If

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Speaker 2: they're in dawn and they've got to stuck here in

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Speaker 2: a cycle, there's an opportunity for that. But there's also

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Speaker 2: other things that we have to identify, a lot of

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Speaker 2: referrals to rehabilitation and to get people out.

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Speaker 1: Of their CID.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's not a good outcome for people that are

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Speaker 3: Well, I tell you what we did speak last week

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Speaker 3: better term for it but a wet camp. But look,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I won't discuss that too broadly, Katie, other

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Speaker 2: than to say that the Commissioner has touched on it previously.

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Speaker 2: The fact that those discussions have been had to date,

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Speaker 2: albeit maybe not in too much depth at this point

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Speaker 2: in time, it's definitely something that it's popped up in

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Speaker 2: recent time to consider. As I said, what we've been

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Speaker 2: doing today, we need to make some adjustments and that

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Speaker 2: may include a look at those options.

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Speaker 3: Well, Tony Doutrum, the acting commander for the Darwin Region,

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate your time this morning. We might try

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Speaker 3: and catch up with you again if we may next week,

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Speaker 3: even following on from that operation, to see how things

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Speaker 3: have gone.

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Speaker 1: Happy to pop in anytime.

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Speaker 4: Good on you, Tony, Thank you