WEBVTT - Jack Vidgen & Suzab Mutesi: THE CHALLENGE AUSTRALIA - TALENT 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.600 TV Reload the podcast last week. 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:03.960 They're light. 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:06.920 Welcome back guys to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.640 Norris and on this podcast I go behind the scenes 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:13.000 with the biggest players in television. Each episode you will 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:17.880 get a front row seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.000 editors and casting agents, plus the talent that we see 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:24.160 on our screens. TV Reload reloads the shows that you're 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.120 currently watching and gives you a better insight into our 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:31.280 television industry and our streaming services today. On the podcast, 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.239 I have two guests who have already been eliminated from 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.800 Channel ten's new reality show The Challenge. I have the 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:42.479 delightful Jack Vision and Susan Matouzi. Susan is a Ugandan 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.279 Australian actress, model and fashion designer who bit off more 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.559 than she can chew in this latest reality competition series 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.720 featuring twenty two Australian reality stars and celebrities. There is 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.640 a popular theory amongst Australian media that wherever Susan goes, 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.560 there's usually a bit of drama. I manage to see 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.000 a softer side of her as we unpack her time 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.400 on the series. I have, however, put her interview second, 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.000 even though she kind of came out of the competition first, 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.200 and that's because she was kind of in a room 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.840 with a nasty echo, and I still wanted you guys 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.080 to hear the chats. So look, stick around after I 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.960 chat with Jack and you can get Susan spelling the 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.680 tea on her time on the show. Jack Vigion, however, 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:26.119 has been on nearly every reality series you can imagine. Obviously, 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.080 he is a singer first and foremost, but hats off 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.399 to him for giving these physical and mental shows a 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.880 go too. It is sad to see him go so early, 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:37.200 but Jack himself would say everything happens for a reason. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.440 In today's episode, I will ask Susan about her recent 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.880 attacks in the media and how she copes with her 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:46.640 life being scrutinized over Jack will discuss the drama we 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:48.800 didn't see and a few that may or may not 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.800 still be going. I will also find out which shows 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.560 he preferred the most to be in, and both will 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.040 take aim at their fellow cast members as we run 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.240 through a series of questions. I will ask all the 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.920 eliminated can teston's that joined the podcast. However, let's get 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.840 started with today's guests. I'd like to welcome Jack Vigeon 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.080 and Susan Matuzzi to TV Reload. 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:12.320 Let's just get it all out on the table, and 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.079 let's just say, like, who started the room previously on 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:15.840 the Challenge? 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.160 Do you not also bust for so launch when she 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:19.160 was in Australia? 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.919 So I do everything this season, all of you will 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:23.840 be working in PAMs. 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:25.680 But like I didn't get along with Connor in those 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.200 last days. 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.360 In this game, the winners have all the power for. 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.160 You to find out that you are the couple everyone 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.480 wants to take out, So like, when did you do. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.079 Your time here on the Challenge is done? 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.760 I feel like I was just as much to blame for, 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.480 like us not getting along the last few days as anyone. 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.120 Hi, Jack, how are you hello? 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.519 I am great? How are you? 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:52.680 I'm so excited to be able to have this chat 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:54.920 with you. It was so good to see you on 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:55.880 the Challenge. 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.600 It was very exciting. It was an interesting one. I 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.920 don't think I really cared very well for it. I 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.000 don't I don't think I really watched past one episode 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.040 of the US version of the Challenge when I think 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.320 peop were, like Emily had watched all thirty something seasons, 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:13.040 so I yeah, it was a very daunting but exciting 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.200 thing for me because it's very out of my comfort zone. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.360 Well, you're a bit of a reality TV connoisseur right now, 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.200 because you've been on nearly every show here in Australia 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.040 and I'm gonna get you to do something that you're 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.200 gonna hate. But can you put them in order of 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:26.799 the shows that you liked doing? 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.640 Oh my god, I was. The funny thing is your 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.880 interview is obviously like people tell you about the shows 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.200 that you've been on, and after this morning, I feel 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.119 like I need to hang my hat up to competition. 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.600 No, no, don't do that, because people love you on 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:46.120 these shows. I mean exhausting. Come on, you're gonna help 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.520 me out. I've only given you a last singer, I'm 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.680 a celebrity, Australia's got talent, the challenge, Go. 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:55.760 Hue, Australia's got talent, the Voice, America's a talent Champions 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.920 euro Vision Australia Side. I'm a sobject out of you, 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:04.920 the master Singer Ninja Warrior. And now the challenge is 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:06.880 that all of them. I'm sure that that's all of them. 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:08.960 That is all of them, And I really appreciate you 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:10.920 doing that, you know, and it just goes to show 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:12.880 you the reason why we're all in love with you 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:14.360 is because we can't get away from you. 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:16.520 Oh that's that's very sweet. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.280 You know. The show is a real you know, missmash 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.800 of a few reality shows. What were your hesitations going 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:24.000 into a show like this? 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.120 Had hesitation? I was really excited to do something like 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.840 this because obviously there was rumors about who would be 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:33.000 in it. Obviously we weren't told anything. Really, we weren't 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.359 really told even that we're going to Argentina until last minute. 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.880 So I'd heard the rumors, and I was excited to 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.200 be in a situation doing a show in this kind 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.800 of style, in a house with everyone where it was 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.320 a bit more of that lack this is right where 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.320 but like trashy reality, you know what I mean, like 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.000 is what it is. I feel like I've fucking done 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.200 everything else. So I was like, okay, so let's do 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.760 some something like this and honestly, like how I've been 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.280 describing it is and it's between like Big Brother, Ninja, 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.159 Woria and Jersey, which is exactly what I was excited for, 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.200 but I did not anticipate how much of the Jersey 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.159 short ailment would actually be in the show. 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:10.520 Well, the drama that we're saying on the screen is 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.400 rumored to be nothing compared to what went down, and 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.840 we've read that in the media overnight. Do you think 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.359 the conflict for conflict's sake was left on the cutting 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:19.680 room floor for a reason? Though? 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.960 I don't know, Like I think maybe I might appeal 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.560 like that with watching it because so much happened, It's 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.440 condensed so much in the episodes, but there wasn't. I 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.600 don't know if there was really conflict for conflict sake 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.560 going on. There was just because there's such big personalities 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:36.880 and everyone has their own their own triggers and they 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.440 react to different things in different ways. I just think 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.039 ten just really knew how to pick them and grab 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.040 a bunch of these fucking crazy people and put us 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.680 in a house in Argentina, and that's what you've gotten, 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:50.960 and you've got your you're literally seeing like you're scraping 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.120 the surface and what you're actually seeing, So obviously everything 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:54.840 has to could be condensed into like an hour and 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.960 whatever it is twenty. It's yeah, it's it's very interesting 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.560 watching it back because there's so I mean, there's a 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.760 lot of conversations. I'm quite glad actually didn't make the 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.200 cut because I get to keep my sweetest big reputation. 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.240 Now, are you telling me that you had to sit 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.520 some of these people down and give them a strong word? 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.360 There was like even in the first episode, like when 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.240 Cyrel was going off at Grant, like, I there was 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.400 no we hadn't found out who had really like said 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.200 let's go after Cyrel because she's coughing out as bronchi as. 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:23.719 And I found that even though it's a game and 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.120 you look back now and it's like, okay, it's a 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.760 freaking game, Like I found that to be really injustin 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:29.280 and just a horrible thing to do. And like there 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.760 was lots of rumors about who started the rumor, and 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.120 so when we were out at the bar, I got 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.240 everyone together, I was like, hey, look, let's just get 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:36.920 it all out on the table and let's just say, 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.120 like who started the rumor, who was the one that 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.240 said let's go after Cyrel because she's coughing, Because I 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.560 think that's fucking messed up. And then everyone was saying, Oh, 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:45.960 this person, this person. Then everyone started chatting on each 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:47.960 other because no one was being honest, and that gives 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.720 me the shit. So but that all got cut out, 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.240 which I'm I'm absolutely fine with. 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.840 Well, some of the fans are really thirsty for the drama. 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:55.880 Do you think that we should be given Do you 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:57.880 think we should have been given the Waltz it All version? 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.960 I think it would have. It's not prime time like 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:08.000 time sloty just definitely not pg EM, not even m A. 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:09.200 To be honest, let's be real. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.880 Still makes me very interested to know, you know, I 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:15.520 imagine you would come out of something like this, especially 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.200 an experience like this so different to some of the 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.560 other reality shows. What do you think that the challenge 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:19.920 taught you? 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.280 Well, I feel like I went into the challenge like 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.840 not really wanting to prove anything to anyone else, more 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.480 to myself. I mean, after doing Ninja Warrior, that was 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.240 kind of a it was a big shock to me 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.240 because I just went for fun and I was I 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.640 was playing because my charity was a research foundation for 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.760 multiple scrosis. My dad has multiscrosis, and so I just 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.760 went in it for a good cause and just have 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:42.040 a bit of a laugh, and I ended up winning. 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.560 And so I went into this now going okay, I'm 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.440 gonna give it my all, have a great time and 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.600 do something different, which is which is what I did, 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.640 and I feel like I walked away with new friends 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.280 and an appreciation for Buenos series. 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:57.960 I'll never forget being in my lounge room when you 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.200 did that Ninja Warrior, Like you know, it was such 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.200 a shock. And I don't mean to say that, like, oh, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:03.360 we didn't expect it from you. 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.400 It was no bigger shock to anyone but me. 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:09.800 I loved it. I loved it. We were like, I 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:11.600 think we had to rewind it and watch it straight 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.680 back as soon as it had happened. And then I 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:17.360 was like, this man is so determined, like so determined. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.360 The funniest thing of that is like, so we'd all 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.320 done the run, the Black Crash course, whatever it's called, 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.560 and there was no We all got up to the 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.120 same point and so there wasn't a winner yet, and 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.640 so I think, like the CEOs were watching and whatever, 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:33.360 and they're like, we want all three of them to 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.360 do the Warped Wall, and I was like, no fucking way, sorry, 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.320 I've done my bid. And then I was like, oh no, no, 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.160 my managers just like just do it and I think 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:42.719 of the charity. And I was like, true, okay, think 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.680 of the charity. I was like, someone get me a cigarette. 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.559 So I had a cigarette and then I did the 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:47.480 warped wall and. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.920 Known it's the last thing that I'm picturing is you 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.040 just you know, throwing a cigarette on the ground and 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.320 then running up that wall. But look, I'll take it. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.960 I'll take it. Interestingly enough, like you've come out of 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.520 this competition though so so early. How did that feel 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.720 at the time. Were you disappointed to have to be 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.280 out of the competition and out of the experience. 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.640 For sure, I was definitely disappointed. I mean I went 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.080 wanted to win, and obviously everyone does. It was only 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.360 obviously it was the second episode because they do a 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.160 challenge and an elimination challenge in one episode. But I 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.160 mean I was in there for almost two weeks, so 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.239 that's just goes to show how much it's condensed. 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:24.199 Wow. 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.480 Yeah, there's a whole four days where like we're going 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.880 out to like different parts of unas. Areas went to 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:30.720 a rooftop bar where the camera cra all came to. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.080 But there's just so much content that it can't all 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:33.600 get shown. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.520 How long so from go to wo How long were 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.480 you in Argentina four once you've left Australia. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.480 Maybe two and a half weeks? 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:44.920 Yeah, right, because there was. 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.280 Obviously a couple of days in the lead up to 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:48.880 going in there, and then I flew out the day 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.320 after I got out. So I got out at about 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.360 two am? Was it when we wrapped? And then I 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.320 went into film the rest of my master interviews until 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.040 about five am, and then slept till about ten am 0:09:58.080 --> 0:09:59.440 and then got in a flight back to Australia. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:01.040 Thank you, ma'am. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.520 Off you go, Yeah, suck off, Jack, You're out. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.319 I was really happy to see more than one LGBTI 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.480 contestant in one show. I just thought this was exciting 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.760 to be able to see you on the show with 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.360 you know, other contestants, without us having to be narrowed 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.960 down to just one contestant. What did you think about now? 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.840 I thought it was fabulous. It made me feel I 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.640 think the other queer people in there as well. Mane, 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.560 it's just feel more comfortable to be ourselves. I think 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.559 just having a gaggle of gaze in there was it 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.080 was just it was nice just to have some of 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.199 your people. Even though maybe not all of us got along, 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.439 it was still it was still nice to have flat 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:40.800 your community in there. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.840 Was there a potential for romance? That's what everyone wanted 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:45.640 to know. When the cast list came out. We're like, oh, 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.280 we've got a gaggle of gays. Great. Was there ever 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.360 a potential for romance with any of the others? 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.480 Well, to be honest, on the first night in there, 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.640 I went, I was, I got a bit tipsy and 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:58.840 someone I went exact who it was, someone was taking 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.920 my necklace off in my room, and then I leant 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.040 back and kind of just went out to like a 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:05.920 friendly pet. And they were like, oh, I've got a 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:10.839 cold Saw. And I was like, oh, okay, good away, 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:11.760 never mind. 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.560 And then that at that moment, Actually I heard that. 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.000 That story was then retold after, like in the house, 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.319 after I had left, and a different version was told. 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:23.720 I heard. So I'm interested to see if that ever 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:24.520 comes back around. 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.040 Well, I think the Cold Saws appeared on the show already, 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:28.679 so I think we already know who that is. I 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.600 don't think you need to be Angela Lansbury to work 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.840 that one out for me personally. I know David very well, 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.160 but wasn't it great to be able to see a 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.120 good friendship between two gay men on television. I thought 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:43.280 a non sexual relationship, but you know, a good companionship. 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:44.280 I thought that was brilliant. 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.800 And I'm just screaming that they aired last night that 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.199 the reason how we met is that in the bathrooms 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.920 of Mighty Grad making out, even though we do have 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.480 a great photonic relationship now, I mean, I guess that's. 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:58.840 How a lot of gave me Lance Jack exactly right. 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:00.839 No, I think it was a It's definitely a good 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.320 thing to have. I mean, it was even the last 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.480 kind of reality showd with Armist the lad like it was. 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.320 I think it was great having me Abby and like 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.719 I mean, Amislave's when having queer people and it's in 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.600 stock Creasy when it started, but like having multiple people 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.240 in this one, I think was just it just shows 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.000 where we're at, I think in Australia hopefully, and we've 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:19.679 got a long way to go, but it's I think 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:20.480 it was a nice moment. 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.360 Well beyond the fake, rumored drama that happened with Connor, 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.760 there did seem to be a little bit of tension 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.080 there between you guys. Can you maybe give us an 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.319 understanding as to why that tension was there? 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.280 Oh, to be honest, I think it was just the 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:35.400 nature of the house. I mean, outside of that, I 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.800 think would probably get along really well. And we actually 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.120 did get along very well up until those few days 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.480 kind of leading up the few last days. It just 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.520 I think this, it really is just it is tension everyone. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.480 You don't know what's going on, and you don't know 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.080 whether who's being honest, and obviously it's a fucking game, 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.839 so it's not I think that's interest in my life, 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.520 Like honesty is just a big thing for me these 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.439 days at least, and so I really had to change 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.120 my mindset. But I don't think I had enough time 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:03.559 in there to really do that, and so I think 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.000 I got caught up on small things. So I feel 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.040 like I was just as much to blame for, like 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.520 us not getting along the last few days as anyone. 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.880 People don't realize that about reality television. The smallest things 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.920 can set you off inside an experience like this that 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:19.920 you wouldn't even react to in real life. 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.040 And you did just look at someone's face and get 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.640 the ships and like they've done absolutely nothing to you. 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:29.600 So it's like sibling relationships. You know, everything forms so quickly, 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.079 and you're living together, you know, twenty four hours a day. 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.280 It really does create what I think is like sibling 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.720 relationships where you're extremely tough on everyone. You know, where 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.400 you wouldn't be if you were just out having a 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.000 drink with them at the bar, you know what I mean. 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.559 Completely different environment and especially like you're in a house 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.600 you can't leave, You're in the middle of someone you've 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.160 never been before, and you're doing crazy challenges your jet labbed. 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:53.680 I've was waking up at three am and walking around 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.360 the pool area with a coffee because I just couldn't sleep. 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.199 So you're just you're absolutely leapy. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.400 How did you feel about on being the first non 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.400 binary TV host in Australia. Does that kind of representation 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:06.160 mean a lot to you? 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.719 Absolutely? And I didn't even I didn't know who the 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.840 host was until we got there. I'm not sure if 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.640 we were meant to, but when they walked out, I 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:18.160 just thought And obviously we got briefed beforehand, and my 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.000 part was singing when we're get in the brief and 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:21.760 I was like, this is just fabulous, Like, not only 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:23.880 do we have like a bunch of queer people, and 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.240 now since the show, like now we know that there's 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.400 actually more queer people that were in the house, which 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.840 is fabulous as well. People have come out in different 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.600 ways since then. But having a non binary host who's 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.760 the face of the show essentially along with all of us, 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.600 I think was just an incredible, incredible and there was 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.080 just so much fun and so fabulous and just like 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.640 it was like your parent was coming out every time 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.240 they came out into that kind of elimination stampedar at 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:48.560 the challenges. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.160 No, it was quite beautiful to watch. What about the 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.600 pairings with your you know you were paired off twice. 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.600 You know you've left the competition with Audrey, But were 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.920 you happy with those pairings or were you disappointed that 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.160 you will put with them? Like how did that relationship 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.040 dynamic work for you being forced to partner up and 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.360 compete these challenges with these other people. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:09.880 I was really happy with Mike Bees, I love Cyrel, 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.200 I love Audrey. I think as soon as we've got 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:13.920 into the house, obviously that fight with Audrey and Sorrel 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.360 happened and you didn't see again. It's like I kind 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.720 of took Sarah sign. I was like, look like, why 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.720 don't we try and move through this tonight and put 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.520 it to bed. It's not a great place to start 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.600 in terms of alliances and friendships or whatever. Just in 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.560 the house is going to be great. And they resolved that, 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.960 and yeah, I've really love Cyril very very quickly. And 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.400 Audi is a babor. I adore her and we're very 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:35.480 good friends now afterwards. 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.400 Yeah she's beautiful. Okay, So everyone who's coming on the 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.880 podcast from the Challenge Australia is getting these top five 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.560 need to know questions. It's kind of a rapid fire thing. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:46.720 Don't feel like you have to go into too much 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.160 detail and render and throw yourself under the bus too badly. 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.560 But are you ready to go? Yeah, let's do it, Okay. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.840 Who was the nicest contestant in there? 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:57.440 The nicest test? 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.840 And you can't say yourself to me? I would say, Emily, 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.760 who were the biggest villains? 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.680 The biggest villains? I mean at the time, like someone 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.880 that I didn't and again we went in the task, 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.880 probably wouldn't. We can be friends, but like I didn't 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:15.360 get along with Connor in those last days. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.800 Fair enough who was the messiest person to live with? 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.880 I mean the girls from upstairs, Like Kiki's room was 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.480 pretty it was like fucking crazy. 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.720 We'll take Kiki. She's a mess. Okay, great, she's not 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.680 a mess in real life. She's just a mess with 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:33.880 her room. Yeah, it's fine. Who was who was the 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:35.000 funniest person in there? 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.520 The funniest I feel like for me, like Cyral was hysterical? 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.600 Okay, all right, great? And then who do you want 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:45.120 to win the Challenge Australia? Not who you may think wins, 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.760 but like at this point of the competition when you left, 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:49.840 who was it that you that you wanted to see? 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.640 When Emily was definitely coming back with a vengeance after 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.280 that elimination side and we grow to were really love 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.560 each other as well, So I'm I'm rooty family. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:00.840 Well, Jack, I thought you were fair fantastic. It's the 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.680 regularly moment of the season. We cannot believe that you're 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.480 out of the competition too early? Have they asked you 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:07.840 to do it? What else have they asked you to do? 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:08.200 Jack? 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:09.800 Is there any other shows coming up? 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:15.600 I think, don't you it's too ready to go or see? 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.880 I mean I'm working on a few projects and I'm 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.840 actually like working with a few production shopping to a 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.320