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Speaker 1: Welcome back guys to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin
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Speaker 1: on our screens. TV Reload reloads the shows that you're
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Speaker 1: television industry and our streaming services today. On the podcast,
Speaker 1: I have two guests who have already been eliminated from
Speaker 1: Channel ten's new reality show The Challenge. I have the
Speaker 1: delightful Jack Vision and Susan Matouzi. Susan is a Ugandan
Speaker 1: Australian actress, model and fashion designer who bit off more
Speaker 1: than she can chew in this latest reality competition series
Speaker 1: featuring twenty two Australian reality stars and celebrities. There is
Speaker 1: a popular theory amongst Australian media that wherever Susan goes,
Speaker 1: there's usually a bit of drama. I manage to see
Speaker 1: a softer side of her as we unpack her time
Speaker 1: on the series. I have, however, put her interview second,
Speaker 1: even though she kind of came out of the competition first,
Speaker 1: and that's because she was kind of in a room
Speaker 1: with a nasty echo, and I still wanted you guys
Speaker 1: to hear the chats. So look, stick around after I
Speaker 1: chat with Jack and you can get Susan spelling the
Speaker 1: tea on her time on the show. Jack Vigion, however,
Speaker 1: has been on nearly every reality series you can imagine. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he is a singer first and foremost, but hats off
Speaker 1: to him for giving these physical and mental shows a
Speaker 1: go too. It is sad to see him go so early,
Speaker 1: but Jack himself would say everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 1: In today's episode, I will ask Susan about her recent
Speaker 1: attacks in the media and how she copes with her
Speaker 1: life being scrutinized over Jack will discuss the drama we
Speaker 1: didn't see and a few that may or may not
Speaker 1: still be going. I will also find out which shows
Speaker 1: he preferred the most to be in, and both will
Speaker 1: take aim at their fellow cast members as we run
Speaker 1: through a series of questions. I will ask all the
Speaker 1: eliminated can teston's that joined the podcast. However, let's get
Speaker 1: started with today's guests. I'd like to welcome Jack Vigeon
Speaker 1: and Susan Matuzzi to TV Reload.
Speaker 3: Let's just get it all out on the table, and
Speaker 3: let's just say, like, who started the room previously on
Speaker 3: the Challenge?
Speaker 2: Do you not also bust for so launch when she
Speaker 2: was in Australia?
Speaker 4: So I do everything this season, all of you will
Speaker 4: be working in PAMs.
Speaker 3: But like I didn't get along with Connor in those
Speaker 3: last days.
Speaker 1: In this game, the winners have all the power for.
Speaker 4: You to find out that you are the couple everyone
Speaker 4: wants to take out, So like, when did you do.
Speaker 1: Your time here on the Challenge is done?
Speaker 3: I feel like I was just as much to blame for,
Speaker 3: like us not getting along the last few days as anyone.
Speaker 1: Hi, Jack, how are you hello?
Speaker 3: I am great? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be able to have this chat
Speaker 1: with you. It was so good to see you on
Speaker 1: the Challenge.
Speaker 3: It was very exciting. It was an interesting one. I
Speaker 3: don't think I really cared very well for it. I
Speaker 3: don't I don't think I really watched past one episode
Speaker 3: of the US version of the Challenge when I think
Speaker 3: peop were, like Emily had watched all thirty something seasons,
Speaker 3: so I yeah, it was a very daunting but exciting
Speaker 3: thing for me because it's very out of my comfort zone.
Speaker 1: Well, you're a bit of a reality TV connoisseur right now,
Speaker 1: because you've been on nearly every show here in Australia
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get you to do something that you're
Speaker 1: gonna hate. But can you put them in order of
Speaker 1: the shows that you liked doing?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I was. The funny thing is your
Speaker 3: interview is obviously like people tell you about the shows
Speaker 3: that you've been on, and after this morning, I feel
Speaker 3: like I need to hang my hat up to competition.
Speaker 1: No, no, don't do that, because people love you on
Speaker 1: these shows. I mean exhausting. Come on, you're gonna help
Speaker 1: me out. I've only given you a last singer, I'm
Speaker 1: a celebrity, Australia's got talent, the challenge, Go.
Speaker 3: Hue, Australia's got talent, the Voice, America's a talent Champions
Speaker 3: euro Vision Australia Side. I'm a sobject out of you,
Speaker 3: the master Singer Ninja Warrior. And now the challenge is
Speaker 3: that all of them. I'm sure that that's all of them.
Speaker 1: That is all of them, And I really appreciate you
Speaker 1: doing that, you know, and it just goes to show
Speaker 1: you the reason why we're all in love with you
Speaker 1: is because we can't get away from you.
Speaker 3: Oh that's that's very sweet.
Speaker 1: You know. The show is a real you know, missmash
Speaker 1: of a few reality shows. What were your hesitations going
Speaker 1: into a show like this?
Speaker 3: Had hesitation? I was really excited to do something like
Speaker 3: this because obviously there was rumors about who would be
Speaker 3: in it. Obviously we weren't told anything. Really, we weren't
Speaker 3: really told even that we're going to Argentina until last minute.
Speaker 3: So I'd heard the rumors, and I was excited to
Speaker 3: be in a situation doing a show in this kind
Speaker 3: of style, in a house with everyone where it was
Speaker 3: a bit more of that lack this is right where
Speaker 3: but like trashy reality, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 3: is what it is. I feel like I've fucking done
Speaker 3: everything else. So I was like, okay, so let's do
Speaker 3: some something like this and honestly, like how I've been
Speaker 3: describing it is and it's between like Big Brother, Ninja,
Speaker 3: Woria and Jersey, which is exactly what I was excited for,
Speaker 3: but I did not anticipate how much of the Jersey
Speaker 3: short ailment would actually be in the show.
Speaker 1: Well, the drama that we're saying on the screen is
Speaker 1: rumored to be nothing compared to what went down, and
Speaker 1: we've read that in the media overnight. Do you think
Speaker 1: the conflict for conflict's sake was left on the cutting
Speaker 1: room floor for a reason? Though?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I think maybe I might appeal
Speaker 3: like that with watching it because so much happened, It's
Speaker 3: condensed so much in the episodes, but there wasn't. I
Speaker 3: don't know if there was really conflict for conflict sake
Speaker 3: going on. There was just because there's such big personalities
Speaker 3: and everyone has their own their own triggers and they
Speaker 3: react to different things in different ways. I just think
Speaker 3: ten just really knew how to pick them and grab
Speaker 3: a bunch of these fucking crazy people and put us
Speaker 3: in a house in Argentina, and that's what you've gotten,
Speaker 3: and you've got your you're literally seeing like you're scraping
Speaker 3: the surface and what you're actually seeing, So obviously everything
Speaker 3: has to could be condensed into like an hour and
Speaker 3: whatever it is twenty. It's yeah, it's it's very interesting
Speaker 3: watching it back because there's so I mean, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of conversations. I'm quite glad actually didn't make the
Speaker 3: cut because I get to keep my sweetest big reputation.
Speaker 1: Now, are you telling me that you had to sit
Speaker 1: some of these people down and give them a strong word?
Speaker 3: There was like even in the first episode, like when
Speaker 3: Cyrel was going off at Grant, like, I there was
Speaker 3: no we hadn't found out who had really like said
Speaker 3: let's go after Cyrel because she's coughing out as bronchi as.
Speaker 3: And I found that even though it's a game and
Speaker 3: you look back now and it's like, okay, it's a
Speaker 3: freaking game, Like I found that to be really injustin
Speaker 3: and just a horrible thing to do. And like there
Speaker 3: was lots of rumors about who started the rumor, and
Speaker 3: so when we were out at the bar, I got
Speaker 3: everyone together, I was like, hey, look, let's just get
Speaker 3: it all out on the table and let's just say,
Speaker 3: like who started the rumor, who was the one that
Speaker 3: said let's go after Cyrel because she's coughing, Because I
Speaker 3: think that's fucking messed up. And then everyone was saying, Oh,
Speaker 3: this person, this person. Then everyone started chatting on each
Speaker 3: other because no one was being honest, and that gives
Speaker 3: me the shit. So but that all got cut out,
Speaker 3: which I'm I'm absolutely fine with.
Speaker 1: Well, some of the fans are really thirsty for the drama.
Speaker 1: Do you think that we should be given Do you
Speaker 1: think we should have been given the Waltz it All version?
Speaker 3: I think it would have. It's not prime time like
Speaker 3: time sloty just definitely not pg EM, not even m A.
Speaker 3: To be honest, let's be real.
Speaker 1: Still makes me very interested to know, you know, I
Speaker 1: imagine you would come out of something like this, especially
Speaker 1: an experience like this so different to some of the
Speaker 1: other reality shows. What do you think that the challenge
Speaker 1: taught you?
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like I went into the challenge like
Speaker 3: not really wanting to prove anything to anyone else, more
Speaker 3: to myself. I mean, after doing Ninja Warrior, that was
Speaker 3: kind of a it was a big shock to me
Speaker 3: because I just went for fun and I was I
Speaker 3: was playing because my charity was a research foundation for
Speaker 3: multiple scrosis. My dad has multiscrosis, and so I just
Speaker 3: went in it for a good cause and just have
Speaker 3: a bit of a laugh, and I ended up winning.
Speaker 3: And so I went into this now going okay, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna give it my all, have a great time and
Speaker 3: do something different, which is which is what I did,
Speaker 3: and I feel like I walked away with new friends
Speaker 3: and an appreciation for Buenos series.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget being in my lounge room when you
Speaker 1: did that Ninja Warrior, Like you know, it was such
Speaker 1: a shock. And I don't mean to say that, like, oh,
Speaker 1: we didn't expect it from you.
Speaker 3: It was no bigger shock to anyone but me.
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it. We were like, I
Speaker 1: think we had to rewind it and watch it straight
Speaker 1: back as soon as it had happened. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, this man is so determined, like so determined.
Speaker 3: The funniest thing of that is like, so we'd all
Speaker 3: done the run, the Black Crash course, whatever it's called,
Speaker 3: and there was no We all got up to the
Speaker 3: same point and so there wasn't a winner yet, and
Speaker 3: so I think, like the CEOs were watching and whatever,
Speaker 3: and they're like, we want all three of them to
Speaker 3: do the Warped Wall, and I was like, no fucking way, sorry,
Speaker 3: I've done my bid. And then I was like, oh no, no,
Speaker 3: my managers just like just do it and I think
Speaker 3: of the charity. And I was like, true, okay, think
Speaker 3: of the charity. I was like, someone get me a cigarette.
Speaker 3: So I had a cigarette and then I did the
Speaker 3: warped wall and.
Speaker 1: Known it's the last thing that I'm picturing is you
Speaker 1: just you know, throwing a cigarette on the ground and
Speaker 1: then running up that wall. But look, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Interestingly enough, like you've come out of
Speaker 1: this competition though so so early. How did that feel
Speaker 1: at the time. Were you disappointed to have to be
Speaker 1: out of the competition and out of the experience.
Speaker 3: For sure, I was definitely disappointed. I mean I went
Speaker 3: wanted to win, and obviously everyone does. It was only
Speaker 3: obviously it was the second episode because they do a
Speaker 3: challenge and an elimination challenge in one episode. But I
Speaker 3: mean I was in there for almost two weeks, so
Speaker 3: that's just goes to show how much it's condensed.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a whole four days where like we're going
Speaker 3: out to like different parts of unas. Areas went to
Speaker 3: a rooftop bar where the camera cra all came to.
Speaker 3: But there's just so much content that it can't all
Speaker 3: get shown.
Speaker 1: How long so from go to wo How long were
Speaker 1: you in Argentina four once you've left Australia.
Speaker 3: Maybe two and a half weeks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, because there was.
Speaker 3: Obviously a couple of days in the lead up to
Speaker 3: going in there, and then I flew out the day
Speaker 3: after I got out. So I got out at about
Speaker 3: two am? Was it when we wrapped? And then I
Speaker 3: went into film the rest of my master interviews until
Speaker 3: about five am, and then slept till about ten am
Speaker 3: and then got in a flight back to Australia.
Speaker 1: Thank you, ma'am.
Speaker 3: Off you go, Yeah, suck off, Jack, You're out.
Speaker 1: I was really happy to see more than one LGBTI
Speaker 1: contestant in one show. I just thought this was exciting
Speaker 1: to be able to see you on the show with
Speaker 1: you know, other contestants, without us having to be narrowed
Speaker 1: down to just one contestant. What did you think about now?
Speaker 3: I thought it was fabulous. It made me feel I
Speaker 3: think the other queer people in there as well. Mane,
Speaker 3: it's just feel more comfortable to be ourselves. I think
Speaker 3: just having a gaggle of gaze in there was it
Speaker 3: was just it was nice just to have some of
Speaker 3: your people. Even though maybe not all of us got along,
Speaker 3: it was still it was still nice to have flat
Speaker 3: your community in there.
Speaker 1: Was there a potential for romance? That's what everyone wanted
Speaker 1: to know. When the cast list came out. We're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we've got a gaggle of gays. Great. Was there ever
Speaker 1: a potential for romance with any of the others?
Speaker 3: Well, to be honest, on the first night in there,
Speaker 3: I went, I was, I got a bit tipsy and
Speaker 3: someone I went exact who it was, someone was taking
Speaker 3: my necklace off in my room, and then I leant
Speaker 3: back and kind of just went out to like a
Speaker 3: friendly pet. And they were like, oh, I've got a
Speaker 3: cold Saw. And I was like, oh, okay, good away,
Speaker 3: never mind.
Speaker 1: And then that at that moment, Actually I heard that.
Speaker 3: That story was then retold after, like in the house,
Speaker 3: after I had left, and a different version was told.
Speaker 3: I heard. So I'm interested to see if that ever
Speaker 3: comes back around.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the Cold Saws appeared on the show already,
Speaker 1: so I think we already know who that is. I
Speaker 1: don't think you need to be Angela Lansbury to work
Speaker 1: that one out for me personally. I know David very well,
Speaker 1: but wasn't it great to be able to see a
Speaker 1: good friendship between two gay men on television. I thought
Speaker 1: a non sexual relationship, but you know, a good companionship.
Speaker 1: I thought that was brilliant.
Speaker 3: And I'm just screaming that they aired last night that
Speaker 3: the reason how we met is that in the bathrooms
Speaker 3: of Mighty Grad making out, even though we do have
Speaker 3: a great photonic relationship now, I mean, I guess that's.
Speaker 1: How a lot of gave me Lance Jack exactly right.
Speaker 3: No, I think it was a It's definitely a good
Speaker 3: thing to have. I mean, it was even the last
Speaker 3: kind of reality showd with Armist the lad like it was.
Speaker 3: I think it was great having me Abby and like
Speaker 3: I mean, Amislave's when having queer people and it's in
Speaker 3: stock Creasy when it started, but like having multiple people
Speaker 3: in this one, I think was just it just shows
Speaker 3: where we're at, I think in Australia hopefully, and we've
Speaker 3: got a long way to go, but it's I think
Speaker 3: it was a nice moment.
Speaker 1: Well beyond the fake, rumored drama that happened with Connor,
Speaker 1: there did seem to be a little bit of tension
Speaker 1: there between you guys. Can you maybe give us an
Speaker 1: understanding as to why that tension was there?
Speaker 3: Oh, to be honest, I think it was just the
Speaker 3: nature of the house. I mean, outside of that, I
Speaker 3: think would probably get along really well. And we actually
Speaker 3: did get along very well up until those few days
Speaker 3: kind of leading up the few last days. It just
Speaker 3: I think this, it really is just it is tension everyone.
Speaker 3: You don't know what's going on, and you don't know
Speaker 3: whether who's being honest, and obviously it's a fucking game,
Speaker 3: so it's not I think that's interest in my life,
Speaker 3: Like honesty is just a big thing for me these
Speaker 3: days at least, and so I really had to change
Speaker 3: my mindset. But I don't think I had enough time
Speaker 3: in there to really do that, and so I think
Speaker 3: I got caught up on small things. So I feel
Speaker 3: like I was just as much to blame for, like
Speaker 3: us not getting along the last few days as anyone.
Speaker 1: People don't realize that about reality television. The smallest things
Speaker 1: can set you off inside an experience like this that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even react to in real life.
Speaker 3: And you did just look at someone's face and get
Speaker 3: the ships and like they've done absolutely nothing to you.
Speaker 1: So it's like sibling relationships. You know, everything forms so quickly,
Speaker 1: and you're living together, you know, twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 1: It really does create what I think is like sibling
Speaker 1: relationships where you're extremely tough on everyone. You know, where
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be if you were just out having a
Speaker 1: drink with them at the bar, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Completely different environment and especially like you're in a house
Speaker 3: you can't leave, You're in the middle of someone you've
Speaker 3: never been before, and you're doing crazy challenges your jet labbed.
Speaker 3: I've was waking up at three am and walking around
Speaker 3: the pool area with a coffee because I just couldn't sleep.
Speaker 3: So you're just you're absolutely leapy.
Speaker 1: How did you feel about on being the first non
Speaker 1: binary TV host in Australia. Does that kind of representation
Speaker 1: mean a lot to you?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? And I didn't even I didn't know who the
Speaker 3: host was until we got there. I'm not sure if
Speaker 3: we were meant to, but when they walked out, I
Speaker 3: just thought And obviously we got briefed beforehand, and my
Speaker 3: part was singing when we're get in the brief and
Speaker 3: I was like, this is just fabulous, Like, not only
Speaker 3: do we have like a bunch of queer people, and
Speaker 3: now since the show, like now we know that there's
Speaker 3: actually more queer people that were in the house, which
Speaker 3: is fabulous as well. People have come out in different
Speaker 3: ways since then. But having a non binary host who's
Speaker 3: the face of the show essentially along with all of us,
Speaker 3: I think was just an incredible, incredible and there was
Speaker 3: just so much fun and so fabulous and just like
Speaker 3: it was like your parent was coming out every time
Speaker 3: they came out into that kind of elimination stampedar at
Speaker 3: the challenges.
Speaker 1: No, it was quite beautiful to watch. What about the
Speaker 1: pairings with your you know you were paired off twice.
Speaker 1: You know you've left the competition with Audrey, But were
Speaker 1: you happy with those pairings or were you disappointed that
Speaker 1: you will put with them? Like how did that relationship
Speaker 1: dynamic work for you being forced to partner up and
Speaker 1: compete these challenges with these other people.
Speaker 3: I was really happy with Mike Bees, I love Cyrel,
Speaker 3: I love Audrey. I think as soon as we've got
Speaker 3: into the house, obviously that fight with Audrey and Sorrel
Speaker 3: happened and you didn't see again. It's like I kind
Speaker 3: of took Sarah sign. I was like, look like, why
Speaker 3: don't we try and move through this tonight and put
Speaker 3: it to bed. It's not a great place to start
Speaker 3: in terms of alliances and friendships or whatever. Just in
Speaker 3: the house is going to be great. And they resolved that,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I've really love Cyril very very quickly. And
Speaker 3: Audi is a babor. I adore her and we're very
Speaker 3: good friends now afterwards.
Speaker 1: Yeah she's beautiful. Okay, So everyone who's coming on the
Speaker 1: podcast from the Challenge Australia is getting these top five
Speaker 1: need to know questions. It's kind of a rapid fire thing.
Speaker 1: Don't feel like you have to go into too much
Speaker 1: detail and render and throw yourself under the bus too badly.
Speaker 1: But are you ready to go? Yeah, let's do it, Okay.
Speaker 1: Who was the nicest contestant in there?
Speaker 3: The nicest test?
Speaker 1: And you can't say yourself to me? I would say, Emily,
Speaker 1: who were the biggest villains?
Speaker 3: The biggest villains? I mean at the time, like someone
Speaker 3: that I didn't and again we went in the task,
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't. We can be friends, but like I didn't
Speaker 3: get along with Connor in those last days.
Speaker 1: Fair enough who was the messiest person to live with?
Speaker 3: I mean the girls from upstairs, Like Kiki's room was
Speaker 3: pretty it was like fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: We'll take Kiki. She's a mess. Okay, great, she's not
Speaker 1: a mess in real life. She's just a mess with
Speaker 1: her room. Yeah, it's fine. Who was who was the
Speaker 1: funniest person in there?
Speaker 3: The funniest I feel like for me, like Cyral was hysterical?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, great? And then who do you want
Speaker 1: to win the Challenge Australia? Not who you may think wins,
Speaker 1: but like at this point of the competition when you left,
Speaker 1: who was it that you that you wanted to see?
Speaker 3: When Emily was definitely coming back with a vengeance after
Speaker 3: that elimination side and we grow to were really love
Speaker 3: each other as well, So I'm I'm rooty family.
Speaker 1: Well, Jack, I thought you were fair fantastic. It's the
Speaker 1: regularly moment of the season. We cannot believe that you're
Speaker 1: out of the competition too early? Have they asked you
Speaker 1: to do it? What else have they asked you to do?
Speaker 3: Jack?
Speaker 1: Is there any other shows coming up?
Speaker 3: I think, don't you it's too ready to go or see?
Speaker 3: I mean I'm working on a few projects and I'm
Speaker 3: actually like working with a few production shopping to a
Speaker 3: different production companies about shows that I'm thinking about creating.
Speaker 3: So we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1: I would love to see just so you know, I
Speaker 1: would like to see more of you, Like I think
Speaker 1: i'd like to see some more of a modern sort
Speaker 1: of keeping up with the Kadashians on how you live
Speaker 1: your life, because I think we're all very fascinated with it,
Speaker 1: but I think also a modern take on it where
Speaker 1: we could go back and hear a lot about your
Speaker 1: life because you know, from being on Australia's Got Talents
Speaker 1: so early and having to go overseas and all those
Speaker 1: things that's happened to you, I think I think it
Speaker 1: might be cathartic for you. And I think Australia would
Speaker 1: love to come with you on that journey. So maybe
Speaker 1: that's a possibility.
Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean, I'm open to whatever.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'll let you go. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: having a chat and enjoy chatting with the media today.
Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Some interesting insights from Jack. Obviously he was super busy
Speaker 1: the day we caught up, and I was just lucky
Speaker 1: to get some time with him. But stick around now
Speaker 1: for Susan as we try and make some sense of
Speaker 1: her time on the challenge. I hope you enjoy the chat. Hi, Susan,
Speaker 1: how are you?
Speaker 2: Oh? Well, thank you?
Speaker 1: One of the most talked about reality shows of the year.
Speaker 1: What was the reaction like overnight from fans?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: I think excitement and then also like some haters not
Speaker 4: being you know, excited at the fact that some people
Speaker 4: on the show. But another same time, it's like excitement
Speaker 4: and excitement and excitement.
Speaker 2: What is above to happen? How can you put Big
Speaker 2: Brother and Survivor on morior first side?
Speaker 3: Cycle?
Speaker 2: Ons you?
Speaker 4: Well, then you have Jack and you like it's like
Speaker 4: lions and heads and tigers in the same cage.
Speaker 1: Who did you watch the show with? I can imagine you,
Speaker 1: of all people would have gotten like an entourage together.
Speaker 1: Who were you watching the show with? Did you have
Speaker 1: your family there? Did you have a wild party? Are
Speaker 1: you okay?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 4: I had a busy day yesterday and then our friend
Speaker 4: of mine, Colina, she was in Bondai and she's like,
Speaker 4: sus do you have someone to watch it with? I
Speaker 4: was like, I was just gonna have a quiet one
Speaker 4: at home said no, no, no, no, let's host it
Speaker 4: for you. So she's like, So I wrapped up at
Speaker 4: her apartment in Bondai and they had pizzas. I brought
Speaker 4: champagne because I'm like, you're going to rock up at
Speaker 4: a party with nothing, Dad Champagne gifted chopine, you know,
Speaker 4: as you do as an influencer, you know, and then
Speaker 4: brought it, you know, broth to the party.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a fun night. You know, how did this
Speaker 1: show come about for you? And how was it pitched
Speaker 1: to you? When you when it came across your desk.
Speaker 4: It's so funny because I was actually binging on the challenge,
Speaker 4: you know, like just watching as TV, you know, coming
Speaker 4: out of COVID someone of your favorite shows. So it
Speaker 4: was a show that I was watching on Netflix, and
Speaker 4: I had no idea. When the picsh it to me,
Speaker 4: I'm like, are you sure the Challenge? I'm like, I've
Speaker 4: seen what they do.
Speaker 2: I will die on that show.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, give me married Off, first Sight, give
Speaker 4: me the Bachelor, Give me something I can sip a
Speaker 4: cocktail and wear my gown and look far, you know,
Speaker 4: and there.
Speaker 1: None of that's running around back and forward. That's too much.
Speaker 2: There's too much for me.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I'm like, come on, sis,
Speaker 4: you know, challenge yourself to something out of the box.
Speaker 4: And I love that. As a creative as you know,
Speaker 4: I put my fingers in every creative window aspect.
Speaker 5: A little intuition that I have, I could try this,
Speaker 5: I could do this, whether it's clothing, music, dance, you know.
Speaker 5: Do you know I also danced for so Lunch when
Speaker 5: she was in Australia, So I do everything.
Speaker 1: What was Billy like as a partner, you know, coming
Speaker 1: out of the competition together at the same time, has
Speaker 1: that bonded the two of you?
Speaker 2: To be honest, I think as a partner because he
Speaker 2: comes about boxing, you know, tread. He's very Billy, you know.
Speaker 4: The boxer, so you're thinking, you know, there is moments
Speaker 4: we had where he was chumping on him like he's like.
Speaker 2: Great, Susan, keep going.
Speaker 4: And then when it came to this final challenge, maybe
Speaker 4: it was the nerves or anything, it wasn't like that,
Speaker 4: like I kept telling him help me, like Billy, let's
Speaker 4: do this' is like, woman doesn't tell me what to do.
Speaker 4: He's in this masticlean boxing glove thing. He's not thinking strategically.
Speaker 4: He's just focused on what Billy needs to do, not
Speaker 4: what team Susan and Billy need to do. And I
Speaker 4: understand it's the game, you know, and I don't hold
Speaker 4: him against that.
Speaker 2: That was then, this is now.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately we're out. But I wish I had more moments
Speaker 4: in there. I wish I had more glam and fave
Speaker 4: moments in there.
Speaker 3: But listen, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the format? Do you think
Speaker 1: that we should have seen more drama inside the house,
Speaker 1: because you know, while the show won and all of
Speaker 1: its demos last night on Channel ten, people were saying
Speaker 1: online that we'd like to have gotten to know you
Speaker 1: all a little bit more and seeing less of the challenges.
Speaker 1: How did you feel about it?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, you are speaking my language, because I
Speaker 4: did even say this coming from a place where my
Speaker 4: quantent creator.
Speaker 2: So you have that you know what's good. But I
Speaker 2: don't make those decisions. It's just my opinion.
Speaker 4: But it would have been nice to kind of like
Speaker 4: see more personalities and people get to know us and
Speaker 4: see us how we interact in the house.
Speaker 2: And I think I would have.
Speaker 4: Been quite lovely to see that, you know, and to
Speaker 4: see how people are gonna like because if you see
Speaker 4: people come together, it's like a party. It wasn't happy
Speaker 4: until things that, you know, the drinks, and then you
Speaker 4: start seeing, you know, personalities come up.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would have been quite lovely to see that
Speaker 2: in the first episode.
Speaker 4: And then the challenges obviously next because it's the challenge,
Speaker 4: but it's the first episode of Shares Learning, but it
Speaker 4: was still entertaining.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the challenges harder than you expected. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was looking at it and I don't even need
Speaker 1: a vental and but I felt like I had asthma
Speaker 1: just watching you doing all that running. What was the
Speaker 1: challenge like for you? Were they harder than you expected?
Speaker 4: My gosh, you think you've trained, You think you've run
Speaker 4: your marathons, you think you've eaten your intestines, and like
Speaker 4: all these ugly meals and all these things.
Speaker 2: You think you've done it all.
Speaker 4: Then let's tell you you have to go for stay purses,
Speaker 4: pick up this massive talking so heavy I didn't even
Speaker 4: carry that. I was like, Billy, you're carrying the talking
Speaker 4: because I can't run up the stairs.
Speaker 2: And I can't. People were passing, people were crawling. Literally,
Speaker 2: Audrey was on.
Speaker 4: The floor like Sorel was looking for like asthma tat,
Speaker 4: like people were fainted. I remember when I finished that Childnge,
Speaker 4: I literally just fell.
Speaker 1: On the grass and I'm like, you know, interesting though
Speaker 1: that you mentioned so well because she went from zero
Speaker 1: to one hundred at one moment of the show. And
Speaker 1: then I wanted to ask you, are these people leaning
Speaker 1: too hard into their established brand? I like Cyrel, but
Speaker 1: it felt like she was earning her paycheck to be like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to be crazy Cyrel, or
Speaker 1: you know, do you think that that's just who she is?
Speaker 4: I felt like that to a I think people wanted
Speaker 4: to own their titles a little bit. But at the
Speaker 4: same time, Sarah doesn't want to be pushed over. She
Speaker 4: wants something. She will get something. But also she I
Speaker 4: think because it's a new environment. At the same time
Speaker 4: as she did do that, also like she was a
Speaker 4: bit frustrated with her rivals from the past, like how
Speaker 4: you saw she had that interaction with Grant and they
Speaker 4: had you know, they had a one on one And
Speaker 4: the reason why she.
Speaker 2: Was really upset in there because everyone targeted Cyrel.
Speaker 4: There was a rumor that let's get her out doesn't
Speaker 4: want to be here, hence that conversation, So they didn't
Speaker 4: show that, but Cyril and Jack wanted to know who
Speaker 4: started the rumor that they should be targeted out and
Speaker 4: they were crying immediately after the challenge. They were really
Speaker 4: upset for you to find out that you are the
Speaker 4: couple everyone wants to take out.
Speaker 2: They're like, what did we do? Do? You know, you
Speaker 2: start feeling like we're not loved, that we're not cared for.
Speaker 3: Do people not care?
Speaker 2: You know, like we must be really hated in this house.
Speaker 1: They kind of washed over that cheating scandal faster than
Speaker 1: a red carpet for a new frozen Yogat shop. You know,
Speaker 1: what was the true aftermath of that, because, like in
Speaker 1: any other reality show, that would have been story act
Speaker 1: over five episodes where literally we saw Audrey and Kieran
Speaker 1: hook up in the shower and then the next minute
Speaker 1: we weren't even talking about it. How did it happen
Speaker 1: in the house? Were people talking about it all day?
Speaker 2: Like for three days?
Speaker 4: People were crying, you know, people were like my partner,
Speaker 4: like we were grieving, Like it was like the aftermath
Speaker 4: of that, I was like, we were affected just even
Speaker 4: knowing about it. It affected us because we had to
Speaker 4: comfort people who consented, Like there was a concid like
Speaker 4: obviously we've come from the child, you know, exhausting these tears.
Speaker 4: And then we have a party. We go out at night,
Speaker 4: we drink and one is excited. We're like, you know what,
Speaker 4: you're not going to bed, We're going to go to
Speaker 4: the spa, have a bit of fun, you know, excitement,
Speaker 4: wet cream, sexinists, boobs, ubs, Oh my gosh, everything is
Speaker 4: like intense.
Speaker 2: It's like give it to me and then showers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was all consent and.
Speaker 4: Two adults that met their own you know, decision in
Speaker 4: that moment and they were remorseful about it later, but
Speaker 4: you know, like Kieren was really upset about it, and
Speaker 4: so it was Audrey.
Speaker 2: But when I saw it, I'm like, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Thought we'd see people sitting around. I thought Brian, he
Speaker 1: would have to come into the house and they would
Speaker 1: have to try and put the fire out. You know,
Speaker 1: I thought that would be all of this aftermath. But
Speaker 1: it was really like, okay, and now we're moving on it.
Speaker 1: Just you know, it was quite quite hilarious. The other
Speaker 1: thing I want to ask you was that all of
Speaker 1: these people that go into the show, they all have
Speaker 1: so much media scrutiny over them. I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: reason why you're all picked, is because we all talk
Speaker 1: about you. But you've kind of reached this level of
Speaker 1: fame where people like your ex friends have now come
Speaker 1: out of the woodwork in like selling stories. And I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, is that hurtful.
Speaker 4: It's the most hurtful thing I've ever ever seen. And
Speaker 4: sometimes I'm like, I wish I was Beyonce. Then you
Speaker 4: can ride on that cloud, you know.
Speaker 2: But I have nothing to give you.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm just a simple African. Do all live
Speaker 4: in my life, you know, working hard? You know, I
Speaker 4: do music, I do acting, you know. I the challenge
Speaker 4: was an opportunity. It's not something you know, but I've
Speaker 4: always been a very hard working actor.
Speaker 2: I'm a writer, you know.
Speaker 4: I do put in the work, you know, And so
Speaker 4: to see that to be honest in the most And
Speaker 4: I think I was telling a friend of my code.
Speaker 4: I think I was gotching up with a friend and
Speaker 4: they read something like I've been receiving a lot of
Speaker 4: love from people's like Susan, The jealousy is real.
Speaker 2: It's saying I hate like so many messages.
Speaker 4: I'm a classic woman and I don't trush job and
Speaker 4: I don't have time for that. It doesn't fit my creativity.
Speaker 4: I'm a creative woman.
Speaker 1: Do you go after these people? I mean recently this
Speaker 1: week alone, there was like a fashion designer was saying
Speaker 1: all the stuff about you. How do you deal with
Speaker 1: that though? Do you go to the source and say,
Speaker 1: why have you done this?
Speaker 2: Or I've actually never worked with them?
Speaker 4: To be honest, like I've never been Like, you can
Speaker 4: be acquainted with someone, that doesn't mean we're friends. So
Speaker 4: for you to claim I'm your friend, it means I've
Speaker 4: sat down with you, I've had coffees. We call each
Speaker 4: other every day, but we've never had those conversations. Stop
Speaker 4: claiming in friendship that's gonna existed. And for me, if
Speaker 4: it's something that's so false, I don't entertain false. You
Speaker 4: know I'm gonna time for that. Like, I'm a busy woman.
Speaker 4: I'm a creative woman. I have stuff to write, I
Speaker 4: have stuff to do. It does hurt to be honest?
Speaker 2: Have I cried?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Have I have? I learned from it.
Speaker 4: Yes, like protect your inner piece, protect your sacles. Not
Speaker 4: everyone is a friend. Everyone's looking for something, and you
Speaker 4: you leant as you grow up from being a designer
Speaker 4: at eighteen. I was designing at eighteen. You know, like
Speaker 4: I'm a hard worker. You know, just because you don't
Speaker 4: know about it does not I mean that I don't
Speaker 4: work hard.
Speaker 2: Just ask the sauce.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: What's also interesting, is it common practice now for say,
Speaker 1: you know, people who have insta fame and celebrities. Now,
Speaker 1: is it common practice to work with the media to
Speaker 1: sort of maintain your profile, Because I mean, you're someone
Speaker 1: who gets talked about a lot. I wondered whether or
Speaker 1: not do you work with the media to get those
Speaker 1: stories out there so that people don't write the wrong
Speaker 1: thing about you.
Speaker 6: I mean, I wish I had that power to kind
Speaker 6: of like control the narrative, not as much, you know,
Speaker 6: like I like, sometimes, you know, you go to a party,
Speaker 6: you have a wardrobe malfunction, you don't even know if
Speaker 6: it's your friends sending in images about you to kind
Speaker 6: of like get a false narrative.
Speaker 4: I don't like want to be the girl who's woods
Speaker 4: are always being shown, you know, you know, like sometimes
Speaker 4: there's some narratives you can't control.
Speaker 2: You know, everyone uses a filter. I don't know who
Speaker 2: doesn't use a filter, Like, come on, it's twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: So some of the things you read them and you're like,
Speaker 2: do you think are what that? Of course I don't.
Speaker 2: At the same time, I think that's what they love
Speaker 2: about me and what's drawn to people. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But I'm just living that best life and just just living,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, there's so much you
Speaker 2: can do.
Speaker 4: I hate when people are very unkind and racist and
Speaker 4: they like you target a woman of color and you
Speaker 4: try to put her down and you sit behind your
Speaker 4: narrative without even understanding why, you don't know how that
Speaker 4: affects an amount of an adverse culture that is actually
Speaker 4: so proud of what of the of the of a
Speaker 4: person that inspires them. So for me, when I see
Speaker 4: such narratives, it's disrespectful. It's it's just like to put
Speaker 4: down another woman. And if you can do that, I think,
Speaker 4: have a deeper book in the mirror and ask yourself
Speaker 4: if you're content with yourself and if you don't use filter,
Speaker 4: like I mean.
Speaker 1: Getting back into the challenges before you go. Normally at
Speaker 1: the end of the podcast to ask for a behind
Speaker 1: the scenes secret, but for the contestants coming off the challenge,
Speaker 1: I want to ask them these top five questions. So
Speaker 1: everyone's going to get asked the same thing. You don't
Speaker 1: have to dob yourself in too much. You can just
Speaker 1: give us the simple answer, or you can even plead
Speaker 1: the fifth and say you don't want to answer it.
Speaker 1: But are you ready? We're going to go with these
Speaker 1: top five questions?
Speaker 4: Hit me?
Speaker 1: Who is the nicest contestant?
Speaker 2: I would say ours?
Speaker 1: Did you say you were? So you've just said you
Speaker 1: were the nicest?
Speaker 2: Yes, I would say our was?
Speaker 1: Who were who were the biggest villains?
Speaker 2: To be honest? Keep watching, I think, and that's why
Speaker 2: I love about the Child.
Speaker 4: You're going to be surprised by people's characters if depending
Speaker 4: on how it's been portrayed.
Speaker 1: Who was the messiest person that you were living with?
Speaker 2: Oh? But you know what, everyone tried their best.
Speaker 4: Like there's so many times I saw Ryan washing dishes,
Speaker 4: Conrad washing dishes.
Speaker 2: The boys were kind of.
Speaker 4: Like picking up the sluck like you would see them
Speaker 4: in the kitchen, kind of like making new stuff. So
Speaker 4: everyone was doing their best and maintaining cleanness in the house.
Speaker 4: Whether their rooms were the same, I don't know, but
Speaker 4: in the kitchen everyone was good.
Speaker 1: Who is the funniest I would say Jack is funny.
Speaker 2: He had a lot of comments. It was quite funny.
Speaker 2: David was funny. David was funny.
Speaker 4: He's a clowns the love of you know who was funny?
Speaker 2: Yeah, David was funny. He's just always trying to cheer
Speaker 2: up everyone with his shenanigans.
Speaker 1: And my last question, who do you want to win?
Speaker 1: Not who you think is going to win, but who
Speaker 1: do you want to win in all of them? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Out of all the people left on the show, who
Speaker 1: do you think deserves to win?
Speaker 4: Suy I think he looks like an underdog, and I
Speaker 4: think because no one knows him and people under smet
Speaker 4: him being tiny and because he's quiet and he's different.
Speaker 2: Like everyone's kind of like achieved a lot.
Speaker 4: But for me, he was the first person I interacted
Speaker 4: within the house, like we got partner to walk together
Speaker 4: and I had like serious compositions with him, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I like you, and you know he's a
Speaker 4: ninja worry.
Speaker 2: I'm like, aren't ninjels. They can kill you while you're
Speaker 2: you know, you're dead asla.
Speaker 4: You know, so like you are the little You know
Speaker 4: you could win it, could win it because no one
Speaker 4: is going to expect anything. They're not looking at either
Speaker 4: like oh she thinks she's got that, or you've got this,
Speaker 4: You've got that. You know, he will be the underdog
Speaker 4: and I think you will surprise everyone.
Speaker 1: Well, just before I let you go, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming on the podcast. What's next for you?
Speaker 1: What's in the pipeline? Have you got anything that you
Speaker 1: need to need to sell, anything you need to promote?
Speaker 4: Yes, I have my memoir coming up. And it's so
Speaker 4: funny because everything that's happening right now is like in
Speaker 4: the book. It feels like I'm pre predicted everything that's
Speaker 4: happening to me, all the bad stuff, all the friendships.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm like, are you kidding me right now?
Speaker 1: Well, Susan, thank you so much for coming on the
Speaker 1: podcast and talking about the challenge. You're a lot of
Speaker 1: fun to watch and like the rest of Australia will be,
Speaker 1: I'll be in your audience.
Speaker 2: I love you.