1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: There is so much helpful parenting advice out there, so 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: much that makes you go, oh, that's definitely going to help. 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: It's going to make me a better parent, it's going 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: to increase the quality of my connection between myself and 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: my children. I need to do this. And Instagram, TikTok 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: and the other social platforms are some of the places 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: where you get that advice. But my goodness, there's some 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: bad stuff out there as well, not helpful at all. 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: And today I'm the Happy Families podcast where you get 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: real parenting solutions every day because we're Ausralia's most downloaded 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: parenting podcast, Kylie and I are going to walk you 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: through our three what would you call it, the three 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: pieces of parenting advice that we're going to ignore forever 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: and teach our kids to ignore and hopefully help you 15 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: encourage you to ignore as well. Stay with us. So, Kylie, 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to get you to kick it off with 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: your first one, and we're going to go like you me, 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: you me, you me, and let's share the three things 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: each that we think we should ignoring as parents because 20 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: the parenting advice is terrible. 21 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: So my first one is the whole myth that controlled 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: crying is an opportunity for babies to learn independence. Yeah 23 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: through distress. 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah, that bad idea. 25 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: And fundamentally misunderstands how attachment works. 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: I've got to jump in really quickly. I spoke to 27 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: somebody just the other day who was all for control crying, 28 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: and I asked them how old their child was, and 29 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: it was like a three month old child or something 30 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: like that, and I was just like, I'm totally against it. 31 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: But even if you are going to do it, research 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: in this specific area is actually quite clear. There's not 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: a lot of good research on control crying, letting them 34 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: cry it out, but there is clear research that if 35 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: your child is under six months, you don't do it, it's 36 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: bad for the child, full stop, end of story. Just don't. 37 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: I just wanted to put that in as a public 38 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: service announcement. But anyway, back to you, So there's a 39 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: reason that you don't like it. 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: Well, when we ignore our babies prime reform of communication, 41 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: what are we teaching them. We're teaching them that they 42 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: don't matter like it just it breaks my heart and 43 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: I can't. I can't do it. 44 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, And we've been there and we've been through it, 45 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: and it's It's pretty brutal, isn't it like a really 46 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: really rough, rough thing to do, Kylie. My first one, 47 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: My first one is that timeouts teach consequences. I mean, 48 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: I've been on a personal mission to eradicate super nannies 49 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: you need a timeout thing from the Parenting Resource Manual 50 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: for about twenty years now. Timeouts are essentially punishment disguised 51 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: as pedagogy. That is, I'm trying to teach you something here. 52 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: But you know what they do. They prioritize adult control 53 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: over any learning and relationship repair. When you put a 54 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: child in time out, you just make them into the victim, 55 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: and they you make yourself their enemy. The only learning 56 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: that happens is a plot revenge, like they learned. 57 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: I was about to say, like, who in their right 58 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 2: mind things that getting their child and try and then 59 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: isolating them is going to create any positive feelings in 60 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: their relationship. 61 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad to use the word isolation. So doctor Daniel Siegel, 62 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: who wrote The Whole Brainchild, he highlights that isolation during 63 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: emotional distress actually impairs the developing brain's capacity for self regulation. 64 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: And if there's no self regulation, there's not going to 65 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: be any learning. Children when they're struggling with their behavior. 66 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: They don't need banishment. They need connection, they need problem solving, 67 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: They need someone to help them understand their feelings, not 68 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: just suppress their behavior. So my first one is, let's 69 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: let's just not take any advice. Pairing advice that I'm 70 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: ignoring time out is good for kids? Not true. I 71 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: can't believe I just made that noise. All right, what's 72 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: your second one? 73 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: Number two for me is responsiveness spoils your child? Just 74 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: this advice that just treats love like this finite resource. 75 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: Oh, you're spoiling them, You're giving them attention, You're going 76 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: to spoil them. 77 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: I yeah, And I think that the idea that giving 78 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: our children attention is actually going to do them damage 79 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 2: is so far from the truth it breaks my heart. 80 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's like this old fashioned traditional concept 81 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: that if you spoil your child, it's basically saying your 82 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: kid's naturally manipulative, as opposed to your children are naturally 83 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: seeking connection and security. To me, that's the central thing there. 84 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: You are not spoiling your child if you give them 85 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: attention they need. Your responsiveness would be my response to that. 86 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: After the break, my last two, including what to do 87 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: about tantruming children. Apparently if you ignore it, it'll stop. 88 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: And the myth that we're supposed to let our kids 89 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: learn to self soothe. And I know you've got a 90 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: classic that you might read about in Jane Austen. Okay, Kylie, 91 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: I've got to You've got one piece of pairing advice 92 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: that we've decided that these things just need to be ignored. 93 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: There's so much good advice out there, and yet the 94 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: bad stuff persists and prevails all too often. 95 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: You say ignored, I say abolished. 96 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: Okay, abolished, ignored. Anyone who does this needs to sit 97 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: in the naughty chair for forty No, that doesn't. I 98 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: thought that was really funny. I thought that was really funny. 99 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: All right, here's my next one. Just ignore the tantrum 100 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: and it will stop. Is pairing advice that I think 101 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: needs to be thrown in the dust bin and we 102 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: need to come up with better solutions. What do I 103 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: mean by that? So research shows that kids who receive 104 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: empathy when they're emotional learn to develop better emotion regulation 105 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: of skills than kids who are ignored, which makes sense, right, 106 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: Like if you're having an outburst and somebody comes to 107 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: you with a little bit of softness and validation. It 108 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: says you having a really tough time, aren't you? Or 109 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: you're really upset, aren't you. It helps your system to 110 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: reset and recalibrate all of those stress hormones, all of 111 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: that adrenaline and nore adrenaline of the cortisol at all subsides. 112 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: Because now you feel connection, and you feel security, you 113 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: feel empathy. It just feels good. Is my analogy. If 114 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: I've got a friend who is distressed, I'm not going 115 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: to ignore them. I'm going to go to them and 116 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: put my arm around them and say, you look like 117 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: you're having a really bad day. I'm here for you. 118 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: I don't understand why we think that abandoning children in 119 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: their most vulnerable moments teaches them anything except that our 120 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: love is conditional. Some one goes in the bin. Just 121 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: ignore the tantrumental stop wile I out of garbage. We 122 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: need to consign that to the annals of parenting history. 123 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: What's your last one? 124 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 2: You tease? This has been something you'd find in Jane Austin, 125 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: and yet it's still prevalent in today's society that the 126 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: idea that children should be seen and not heard. And 127 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: I would think that often most parents would actually push 128 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: against this idea that they support it. But the reality is. 129 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: In practice, in practice. 130 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 2: We hate it when our kids push back. We hate it. 131 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: We call it disrespectful, and we call it backchat. 132 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: Right, we just want compliance, We just want to get 133 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: us to do as they're told, to be quiet and 134 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: make life easy. 135 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: But what we actually do is when we silence our kids' 136 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: voices and we don't allow them a safe place to 137 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: work through their emotions and they're questioning their curiosity around 138 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: this and they're pushback on it, we're actually teaching them 139 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: that their opinions don't. 140 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: Matter, and that ignoring their voice, to. 141 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: Ignore their own voice, and to never question authority just 142 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: because someone's in a place of authority doesn't make them right. 143 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: We need to teach them to be respectful when they 144 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: push back. I mean, we've just done a podcast about 145 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: that on Monday. Kids need to be considerate, and all 146 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: too often they're clumsy in the way that they push back. 147 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: But I just love that. I think that's exactly right 148 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: and a little bit less Jane Austen because it's twenty 149 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: twenty five. 150 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the goal is quiet compliance, it's raising humans who 151 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: can think for themselves, think critically, and communicate clearly. 152 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: Okay, I love it. Here's my last one. The advice 153 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: that's out there, I hear it all the time is 154 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: that kids need to learn to self soothe. All right, 155 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: so you've got a child who's emotionally disregulated and they 156 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: need to learn to calm themselves down. The reality is 157 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: it's really helpful if they can. But when you've got 158 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: a four year old who's having a tantrum because they 159 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: got the wrong color mug or bowl, or they didn't 160 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: get what their brother got or their sister got, and 161 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: they're having a tantrum, that's they're not going to learn 162 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: to self soothe in that moment. And the time that 163 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: they're most likely to learn to self soothe is when 164 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: they have a parent who's willing to pause, be in 165 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: that tough space with them and show them how it's 166 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: done to coregulate with them. 167 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: I'm so got to use that word, because that's exactly 168 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 2: what I was thinking. We're not actually supposed to do 169 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: this on our own, We're actually supposed to do this. 170 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: I was going to say that, I went on, yeah 171 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: exactly right, Yeah, yeah. 172 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, coregulation is how we do it. We catch other 173 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: people's car, we catch other people's piece, we catch other 174 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 2: people's love. And it's not about codependency. It's acknowledging that 175 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: when we have big emotions, we just need someone to 176 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: see us. 177 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. I soothe myself way better if I'm emotionally distressed 178 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: when I spend time with you, or if I'm emotionally 179 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: distressed because of you, which happens very very infrequently. I 180 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: soothe myself better when I get to just be in 181 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: the company of others. 182 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: And sometimes you don't even need them to do anything. 183 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: We are ultra social people. In fact, just talking about 184 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: this now it reminds me of so the guy behind 185 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: attachment parenting, that parenting style that you hear about from 186 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: time to time. Doctor Alan Shaw. His research on attachment 187 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: shows that emotion regulation develops through thousands repeated experiences of 188 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: coregulation with caring people around you. 189 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: You think about, you're having a bad day, you don't 190 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: want to be around anyone, but somebody love pushes you 191 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: out the door and says, come on, we're going to 192 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: go and do something. Nine times out of ten you 193 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: have the best day ever, and not because you've talked 194 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: about anything particular, but you've actually you've gone through a 195 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 2: coregulation process together without even knowing that that's what you've done. 196 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just had a thought about that. How you 197 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: have to have the repeated, thousands and thousands of experiences 198 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: of coregulations so that you can learn how to do it. 199 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: Expecting a child to calm themselves down without first learning 200 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: how to have being shown how to with somebody else, 201 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: like how it feels to be calmed is kind of 202 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: like expecting them to learn how to read without ever 203 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: having been read to just doesn't happen anyway. They are 204 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: our well, my three and your three so six parenting 205 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: ideas paring advice that we are ignoring forever and ever 206 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: and ever. And we really hope that our kids listening 207 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: to this podcast for the rest of their lives so 208 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: that they can learn how to not do those things. 209 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: We really hope that you like that. Jump onto Facebook 210 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: and tell us what do you reckon? Jump onto Instagram 211 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: and let us know what do you reckon? Is the 212 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: best pairing advice that should be best pairing? What is 213 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: the pairing advice that should be ignored? I got that 214 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: round the wrong way hunt you did. Yeah, what is 215 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: the pairing advice that you're ignoring? We want to know 216 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: on our Facebook and Instagram pages. 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