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Speaker 1: Now we know late yesterday the Northern Territory government announced

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Speaker 1: an independent inquiry into senior public police recruitments, I should

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Speaker 1: say senior police recruitments. Now. It's going to be facilitated

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Speaker 1: through the Office of the Commissioner for Public Employment and

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Speaker 1: led by Acting Justice of the Northern Territory Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: Alan blow Ao. The inquiry is going to examine the

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Speaker 1: appointment of officers to senior roles in the force since

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Speaker 1: August twenty twenty three, scrutinizing panel processes, merit and what

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Speaker 1: remedial action may be required. The Chief Minister Leofanocchiiro said,

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Speaker 1: it aims to provide certainty to the police and the

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Speaker 1: community and to restore confidence in the force. Joining me

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Speaker 1: in the studio is the Northern Territory Police Association President

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Finny, good morning, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Mate. What was your reaction when you learned that this

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Speaker 1: inquiry was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: There was a fever of relief at the NTBA office

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Speaker 2: that welcome the independent inquiry, and this is something we

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Speaker 2: mentioned on your show on Monday as well about that. Again,

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Speaker 2: we support a transparent and merit based and accountable promotional

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Speaker 2: process for our members. That the inquiries about restoring the

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Speaker 2: trust and fairness in our recruitment programs. Okay, So I

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Speaker 2: understand that any knowledge that may cause some frustration to

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Speaker 2: those members that have been promoted under this system since

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Speaker 2: the announcement. This is something that was put out there

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Speaker 2: by the Commissioner of Police at the time he's announcement,

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Speaker 2: he'd promoted in the last eighteen months since that time,

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Speaker 2: and that's what the inquiry's focused on. We haven't put

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Speaker 2: that out there. The NTPA has an ass for that.

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Speaker 2: We've been asked to comment on that, and I understand

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Speaker 2: that the angst and the people that have been promoted

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Speaker 2: aggrieved at the moment. I understand that, But I asked

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Speaker 2: this question as well, though, the people that were unsuccessful

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Speaker 2: in those promotional processes, how do you think they feel

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Speaker 2: if they're knowing that it might have been above board?

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing. All you want to know,

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Speaker 1: is there any appointment that has been made has been

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Speaker 1: that that is indeed the.

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Speaker 2: Case, definitely, and our members deserve that trust. If inquiry

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Speaker 2: if it does, we need to deal with that, and

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Speaker 2: we need to ensure that our members have that integrity

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Speaker 2: public to understand that we have that integrity in the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory Police Force and the leadership is making the

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Speaker 2: right decision for our members.

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Speaker 1: THENNI, do we know how many appointments have been made

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Speaker 1: to the Deputy Commissioner, Assistant Commissioner, commander and superintendent since

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Speaker 2: Three, as per the broadcast put out by police. I

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Speaker 2: believe from memory, Katie, I'm going off, I haven't got

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Speaker 2: I believe there was five Command of promotions and also

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Speaker 1: So it is quite a large number that are going

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Speaker 2: Into it is, but it's also senior police officers, the

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Speaker 2: senior police officers that we have trust in to do

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Speaker 2: the job that they need to do. It's about ensuring

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Speaker 2: not just for the support of those members, but also

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Speaker 2: we've looked at this, it's all good, and the members

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Speaker 2: They're doing a tough job each and every day, and

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Speaker 1: You said on the show that members are aware of

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Speaker 1: Does the scope of this inquiry go far enough? From

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Speaker 2: Enough in the terms of reference there to start and

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Speaker 2: I believe it's gone far enough. I'll be obviously having

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Speaker 1: So well, you've been pretty straightforward though in the media

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Speaker 2: I can't beat around the bush, Katy, and I need

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Speaker 2: to stick up for all of our members, and all

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Speaker 2: our members are equally important right across the Northern Churchy

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Speaker 2: above board. That's all that needs to happen. And I

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Speaker 2: we haven't released that information. That information has been released

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Speaker 1: It was in that statement. That's the thing he'd actually

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Speaker 2: I haven't raised concerns with those processes, Katie. That was

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Speaker 1: Now, in terms of how quickly you'd like to see

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Speaker 2: It does need to be action sooner rather than later, Catie,

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Speaker 2: you provide that reassurance to our members and reassurance to

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Speaker 2: If there is anything identified, they'd rather be identified sooner

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Speaker 1: Now, in terms of acting Police Commissioner Martin Dole obviously

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Speaker 2: There's always questions remain. There's always speculation in the public

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Speaker 1: Finny, do you anticipate that this inquiry is going to

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Speaker 2: The inquiry will go a long way to instoring that

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Speaker 2: But again Katie, unless anything else comes up, we don't

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Speaker 2: know what's going on. In totality, all we can say

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Speaker 2: don't have access to the IKAK report that's been released

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Speaker 2: We're not privy to that and we don't need to

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Speaker 2: be privy to that. But based on I don't know

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Speaker 1: It sort of sounds to me from what you're saying

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Speaker 2: To be sometimes that they might have any knowledge of

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Speaker 2: But I also in converse, I go, what about the

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Speaker 2: they're feeling that as well. So they've had the confidence

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Speaker 2: and how long that goes for, I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: Finny, we are just about to catch up with the

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Speaker 1: Police must be pretty pleased that they've now got Palmeston

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Speaker 2: I would love to say we've got that Parmeston watch

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Speaker 1: Okay, so when are you getting it? Then?

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Speaker 2: We have got it back, but we're also looking after

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Speaker 1: Okay, So when do you anticipate that's going to change?

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Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question. I've tried to get some

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Speaker 1: For question, how many prisoners have you got in there? Then?

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Speaker 2: This morning I believe we had an excess of forty

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Speaker 2: their staffs moving over to their other facilities. We're still

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Speaker 2: it's been reported, and we're still holding an excess of

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Speaker 2: thirty also in Catherine and also you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've got about seventy prisoners.

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Speaker 2: It's just in the top end, but Alice Springs is

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Speaker 1: Than that, And so no word on when you're actually

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Speaker 2: So technically our members are quite frustrated with that, Katie.

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Speaker 2: They've taken their staff out, correction staff that were looking

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Speaker 2: after their corrections prisons and inside our facilities, and now

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Speaker 2: it's destined to us to look after these prisons on

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Speaker 2: top of our normal business. Yes, we have got our

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Speaker 1: All right, Well that makes things a bit different, doesn't

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Speaker 1: it. It must be burdening officers at this morn in time.

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Speaker 2: They are frustrated, Katie, because what's being said and what's

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Speaker 2: being announced. Yes, we have got our watchesses back to us,

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Speaker 2: but not solely to us. We're looking after their prisoners still.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well we are just about to catch up

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Speaker 1: with the corrections commissioners. So it could be awkward in

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's never It's never awkward, it's never. All

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Speaker 2: these are the questions that our members ask, and our

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Speaker 2: and we need to support them as much as what's

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Speaker 2: going on in the background. We're still doing that important work,

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Speaker 2: the touching base with their members of making sure that

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Speaker 2: we can support them as best we possibly can.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Nathan Finn. Always good to catch up with you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you always.

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Speaker 2: Good Katie, and thank you to the men and women.

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Speaker 2: I know it's been a bit of a turmoil at

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Speaker 2: the moment what's going on, but thank you for what

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Speaker 2: you do. Absolutely, we appreciate what you do above and

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Speaker 2: beyond each and every day, and we're here to support

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Speaker 2: you no matter what.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I echo that. I think our

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Speaker 1: police on the ground are doing one heck of a

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Speaker 1: job and the community does really really appreciate that work. Finny,

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Speaker 1: thank you, We'll talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you,