1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Sophie Torbor. 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: We're identical triplets, but we often. 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: facing women. 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 3: That is so fetch Thank you. 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. Thank you for joining us again. 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: Now it is a momentous week for us because Sophie 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: is becoming a mother, well a fur mother, and we 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: have been counting down the days as it has been 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: eight weeks now. SOPHI, yeah, it's been eight very very 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: long weeks. I have had like a countdown going since 15 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: week six. I keep sending my boyfriend Brandon updates of 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: how many more sleeps it is. It is currently four 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: more sleeps till mister Archie comes into my life. And 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: there is a bit of contentious issues around the name 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: because I think you should be calling the dog Manuka 20 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: because it is a goalded. 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: This is great. 22 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: Off the back of our puppy farming topic yesterday, It's 23 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: definitely not from a puppy farm, is it. Sophie's from 24 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: a very prestigious breeder and Adelaide it is the only 25 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: one that breeds golden coccusstig. Well, yeah, well it's a 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: golden It's a golden Cocker Spaniel. And what's funny about 27 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: that is that Sophie's boyfriend's last name is Hancock. 28 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: But don't you. 29 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: Think that it would be really cute to be called 30 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: Manuka because it's a honey flavor. 31 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 2: Manuka Honey, it's a that's a girl's. 32 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: Name, though, No, I think it's unisex. Well, I think 33 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: Archie because we've got Meghan and Harry who have Archie, 34 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 1: Master Archie. We can call him archiball if he's being naughty. 35 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: But do you know what Archie? 36 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: The name Archie for a dog is like a diamond, 37 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: doesn't if I you know, if you want this dog 38 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: to go off on Instagram, which I think you do 39 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: because you've already made an Instagram account for the dog 40 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: by actually having it, I think you should call it 41 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: Manuka if anyone would like to go and follow him. 42 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: It's Archie and it's got a golden Cocker Spaniel potentially 43 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: changed to Minuka. 44 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: Well, I feel like spaniel. 45 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,279 Speaker 1: Well, I feel like when you're at the dog park, 46 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna really feel that there are a lot of 47 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: archies out there. When you call him back and there's 48 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: like ten dogs come running at you, I think you're 49 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: gonna regret not calling a mahanookah. The thing that I'm 50 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: most worried about is I've done so much research into 51 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: Cocker spaniels and apparently they we every thirty minutes, which 52 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: is similar to me. I've got a very very small bladder, 53 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: So we'll be getting along just fine. Well, in regards 54 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: to the name, we will put a poll up and 55 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: to see if you agree with Kate and I that 56 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: Sophie should call her puppy manookah or if she should 57 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: just call it Archie. What about Winston, I know that 58 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: was a name that we allso his name. 59 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: Is already on his official. 60 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: Breeders letters can be changed. 61 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: Manookah. 62 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: Look, I think that Amy and I, even though were aunties, 63 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: we probably have no writing naming. Well. I think if 64 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm paying two and a half grand for this dog, 65 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: I should be able to name it. Well. Anyway, let's 66 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: move along, and I'm sure Sophie will be inundating The 67 00:02:53,919 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: outspoken Instagram feed with pictures of Archie. Have you been 68 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: wondering why there's an influx of influencers promoting alcohol on 69 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: your news feed? Like many businesses, the alcohol industry has 70 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: been forced to pivot their marketing to reflect social distancing 71 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: and self isolation. And with influencers normal brand deals falling 72 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: through thanks to the pandemic, many have lined up payments 73 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: through alcohol brands. Sob, can you explain to us just 74 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: how prevalent alcohol advertising is in the influencer sphere? Well, 75 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: even before lockdown, alcohol advertising with influencers has been incredibly prevalent. 76 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: I mean you look at a recent study by vic 77 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: Health and it shows that three quarters of Australia's top 78 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: seventy influencers feature alcohol in their posts, and worryingly, only 79 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: a quarter of those actually reveal that these posts are 80 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: sponsored and have been paid for. And vic Health has 81 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: described the alcohol's industry's use of social media as completely 82 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: underhanded and says that it is used to influence young children. Well, 83 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: one bit of info I found really interesting was the 84 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: a that influencers are actually allowed to promote alcohol. I 85 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: didn't realize that you had to be over the age 86 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: of twenty five to actually be advertising alcohol. Yeah, that 87 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: really surprised me because it made me reflect there are 88 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: a lot of big influencers out there who have been 89 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: pretty quiet in the alcohol space. While they'll show themselves drinking, 90 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: I haven't seen them officially advertising alcohol. 91 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: That was an interesting revelation. 92 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: Well, a few years back there was actually a campaign 93 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: from a vodka cruser company, and they received a lot 94 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: of complaints because the model that they used in their 95 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: ad looked a lot younger than eighteen. She was over eighteen, 96 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: but people said she looked as if she was a teenager, 97 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: and so there were a lot of complaints. She even 98 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: part of the ad showed her using glitter to cover 99 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: up dark circles around her eyes, which are obviously caused 100 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: from heavy drinking as well, which a lot of people 101 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: thought was a bit unnecessary. I do find this whole 102 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: over twenty five thing pretty interesting because for someone who 103 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: has always been idd up until my late twenties, I 104 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: always got annoyed because apparently the and selling the alcohol 105 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: must think that you look over twenty five. So it's 106 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: quite interesting that even an influencer who can legally drink 107 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: isn't actually allowed to advertise an alcoholic product. But how 108 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 1: many influencers who are over twenty five, how many would 109 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: you confuse for being in the early twenties as well. 110 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: I mean it opens up a camera. I think it's 111 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: quite the opposite. Chloe Zepp, I literally thought she was 112 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: in her late twenties and I found out she's only 113 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: twenty one. So it's quite interesting that she can't advertise 114 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: alcohol even though she has been. We'll get into that 115 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: a little bit later. The other thing that I didn't 116 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: know was that if you are promoting alcohol, twenty five 117 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: percent of your audience can't be under the age of eighteen, 118 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: which is a rule that I didn't know was in place, 119 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: and it is a good rule to have. That is good, 120 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: but on social media you can be so deceptive with 121 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: your age. I remember making accounts back in the day 122 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: for our little cousins on Facebook, and I think you 123 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: had to be over thirteen, and we of course just 124 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: put that they were over thirteen when there were eight 125 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: and ten. 126 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: That is such a. 127 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: Good point, And the thing that a lot of people 128 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: don't realize is in Australia, the alcohol industry self regulates 129 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: it's advertising, which means that there's no government body to 130 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: intervene and to keep people accountable. Yeah, and that means 131 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: that an alcohol company can put out an ad on 132 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: social media and it doesn't have to be approved by 133 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: the government. It just has to meet these certain code 134 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: of ethics. However, as Soav said, that's a self regulated 135 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: code of ethics, and while people can make complaints to 136 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: the Advertising Standards Bureau, it's just a system where they 137 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: then look into it and the ad is taken down. 138 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: So what I found really interesting is that when an 139 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: influencer works with an alcohol brand, if it is deemed 140 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: that the ad doesn't meet this code of ethics, then 141 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: the add has just pulled. The influencer has to delete 142 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: their post, but there's no onus on the influencer to 143 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: ensure that that post meets the standards, which I found 144 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: really interesting. In light of Kendall Jenner getting sued for 145 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: her involvement in advertising the Fire Festival, it seems like 146 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: the Australian law is a lot more lenient on influencers 147 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: than it is in say the UK and America, where 148 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: we have seen an influx of influence advertising alcohol during 149 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen Kate, how has alcohol marketing changed since the pandemic. Well, 150 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: just like a lot of other industries, the alcohol industry 151 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: has had to pivot their marketing to reflect social distancing 152 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: and self isolation. So many have taken this opportunity to 153 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: capitalize on people staying at home by promoting their contact 154 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: less home deliveries, which is raising a lot of issues 155 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: because that means that people don't have to show ID. 156 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: So you can be a kid and you can go 157 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: in order from BWUS alcohol and then the alcohol has 158 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: just dropped at your door. The delivery person doesn't have 159 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: to see who's getting the alcohol. 160 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: So it's a bit of a worry what you don't 161 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: even have to put in your ID. 162 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: Well, you could literally take your parents' ID, put the 163 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: details in at the checkout and then it's just dropped 164 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: off at the door. I think the other thing that 165 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: is worrying is a lot of brand seem to be 166 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: promoting stockpiling and heavy consumption of alcohol during this time 167 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: as well. I mean, you look at Thirsty Camel and 168 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: they were made to remove a Facebook post because it 169 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: joked about customers stockpiling their goods as opposed to toilet paper, 170 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: and they were made to remove this post. But it 171 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: does come into question whether brands can actually use humor 172 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: or memes to convey a particular message during this time. Yeah. Well, 173 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: I think with the Thirsty Camel example, they had a 174 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: complaint made and their response was, well, it was in 175 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: humor and it was in good fun, but it actually 176 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: had to be taken down because it did breach the 177 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: code of ethics. And I think it's interesting to note 178 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: that obviously during the pandemic a lot of bars and 179 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: clubs have been closed, and that has meant that alcohol 180 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: consumption in bottle shops in the last week of March 181 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: actually rose eighty six percent compared to the year before. Well, 182 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: I've had heaps of friends who say that they can't 183 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: believe how often they've now been to b ws's or 184 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: you drive through alcohol places since the pandemic. Well, it's 185 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: fairly obvious because I've seen a lot of my own 186 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: friends and people I know that are drinking more. And 187 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: I think it's because when you're working at home, there's 188 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: no differentiation between the weekend and a week night. 189 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: It just seems like a lot. 190 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: Of people are awarding themselves with alcohol, which is their choice. 191 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: But I suppose it does trickle down into people that 192 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: are at home with kids and that becoming a normalized 193 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: thing to do. 194 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 4: Well. 195 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: I have seen a lot of posts that are sort 196 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: of promoting alcohol as a relaxant. So, whether it's just 197 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: mums who are saying, oh, I'm having a wine tonight 198 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: because basically the kids are home from school when they're 199 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: driving me mental, but there are apparently laws around promoting 200 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: alcohol as a relaxant. 201 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 202 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 203 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: One of the codes says that that you must not 204 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: suggest the consumption of alcohol may create or contribute to 205 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: a significant change in mood or environment, or suggests that 206 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: it offers any therapeutic benefits. And I think that what 207 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: has landed a lot of alcohol brands in hot water 208 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: at the moment, because that seems to be their key 209 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: marketing strategy. A lot have also started offering care packages 210 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: as well. I think in terms of promoting alcohol as 211 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: a relaxant, I think BWS as Good wines Chat has 212 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: really done that. So they've got comedian Celeste Barber as 213 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: the face of their campaign, and obviously everyone loves Celest 214 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: and she's Hilens and she is in isolation and the 215 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: first part of the campaign is she's got like a 216 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: towel on her head, she's got a robe on, and 217 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: she's got you know, like the little eyemasks that you 218 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: see everyone in isolation wearing, and she is rewarding herself 219 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,599 Speaker 1: with a glass of champagne. 220 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 221 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: I was actually shocked when I saw one of her 222 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: recent videos because it showed her it sort of implied 223 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: that she just got out of bed and then the 224 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: BWS had dropped off some drinks to her doorstep, and 225 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: then she pops open the champagne and I think it 226 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: was a wine, sorry, and she starts drinking it in 227 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: the morning, and I would assume that that's almost promoting 228 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: binge drinking in a way. I just felt kind of 229 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: uncomfortable about how it. 230 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: Was all right. 231 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: Well, I think looking closer at bws's campaign, I think 232 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: they have been quite ethical in the influences they have used, 233 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: because a lot of them are a bit of a 234 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: slightly older demographic. You know, you've got Georgia Love who's 235 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: in her thirties, Olivia Rodgers who's late twenties, and also 236 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: Celeste Barbara, as you said, who's in her forties. And 237 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: they've also required all of the influencers to write hashtag 238 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: ad which legally isn't required of them, but is an 239 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: ethical step in making sure that young people don't think 240 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: that this is just what they do it. They're actually 241 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: getting paid for this. The thing is, while they're being 242 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: ethical around it, do you guys actually feel a little 243 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: bit uncomfortable when you do see alcohol being advertised on 244 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: say podcasts or in your Instagram fee Because I'm finding 245 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: it a little bit sort of I don't. 246 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: Know if I like it. 247 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: Well, it's really ramped up, and that is due to 248 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: the pandemic because while a lot of brands marketing budgets 249 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: have dropped off, obviously, the alcohol industry is booming because 250 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: people are ordering more alcohol online and at the bottle shop, 251 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: so they have marketing budget to push onto influencers. So 252 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: maybe an influencer who maybe didn't want to advertise alcohol 253 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: before is actually thinking, well, I might actually have to 254 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: because all my other brand deals have dropped off. Well, 255 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: I've seen a crazy stat that shows that social media 256 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: brands advertising alcohol have risen by three hundred and fifty 257 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: percent during the coronavirus pandemic. And there was a little 258 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: study done on a Friday night and it showed that 259 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: every thirty five seconds there was a new alcohol brand 260 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: advertising something which is pretty scary. Well, I think it's 261 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: also interesting because a lot of alcohol brands invest a 262 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: lot of money into festivals that are obviously not happening 263 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: at the moment, so that means they've got, as we 264 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: were saying before, a bigger budget to spend on influencers. Well, 265 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: on the topic of alcohol promotion and festivals, I didn't 266 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: realize that so many alcohol companies actually paid for influencers 267 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: to go to events like Coachella, And also when there 268 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: are festivals that are sponsored by alcohol companies, I didn't 269 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: realize as well that they will send photographers down to 270 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: get sort of sneaky picks of the festival, but they 271 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: will purposely choose people to pose with cups promoting whatever 272 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: brand it is, or bottles or whatever. 273 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: I suppose it's a. 274 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: Bit like when Canadian Clubs sponsored the Australian Open and 275 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: they had the Canadian Club Bar and they invited a 276 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: lot of influencers to attend. 277 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 2: I think with festivals as well, I think we're used. 278 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: To seeing clothing brands sending influencers and you don't really 279 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: look into the deals then that they have with alcohol 280 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: brand because you just generally think that influencers are going 281 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: to be drinking at these events. That is true, I mean, 282 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: playing Devil's Advocate, we kind of seem as if we're 283 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: demonizing any influencer that does promote alcohol, which I don't 284 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: necessarily think is a bad thing. I think what I 285 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: find a bit iffy though, is the fact that some 286 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: of the influencers who are being targeted do have a 287 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: very young and impressionable audience. Well that's based on our 288 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: own impression, though, because if we don't have access to 289 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: their analytics, so we really don't know. Like you might 290 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: think that someone has a young audience, but when you 291 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: look into it, they may not. But what I would 292 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: find interesting is how is the audience looked at. So 293 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: someone like Michael Finch or Shiny Grimman, who you may 294 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: think has a young audience, their young audience might all 295 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: be on YouTube, but their older audience might be on Instagram. 296 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if whatever platform that they choose to advertise on, 297 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: is it just that audience that they look at, Because 298 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: there are people that are huge on YouTube and Instagram 299 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: and Facebook and TikTok. Well TikTok's a big one because 300 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: obviously TikTok have a massively young audience, so it's just 301 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: interesting to see. Is it just that one. 302 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: Platform that they look at now. 303 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: We touched on before that you actually have to be 304 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: over twenty five in order to promote alcohol on Instagram, 305 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: But I actually didn't realize that if you have publicized 306 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: that you have an issue with alcohol, you're actually not 307 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: meant to be able to promote alcohol either, which kind 308 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: of opens another can of worms because we have seen 309 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: Mitchell Orvil recently talk about his issues with alcohol, but 310 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: he's also then when he's talked about his issues with 311 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: alcohol in different podcasts or different interviews, he's then spooked 312 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: his own alcohol business. Yeah. Well, for those who don't 313 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: know Mitchell Orval, he has admitted to being an alcoholic 314 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: and has spoken very openly about his struggles with that 315 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: and also his struggles with drug addiction. And as you say, 316 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: it is kind of an awkward situation because he is 317 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: a recovering alcoholic who runs an alcohol brand, and recently 318 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: they have got quite inventive and creative with the ways 319 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: they're promoting their brand. They're doing a lot of competitions 320 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: in order to give away their their product, and that 321 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: does get them into a little bit of trouble because 322 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: there are rules around promotions of competitions which encourage heavy 323 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: consumption of alcohol. Yeah, so one of their competitions is 324 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: a little bit similar to the Charlie and the Chocolate 325 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: Factory finding the Golden Ticket, except you I think it's 326 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: using your smartphone. You scan the bottle of wine and 327 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: if there's a some sort of gremlin or Genie or 328 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: something I'd like a Pokemon. 329 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, some sort of character. 330 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: Comes out, you win. I also think in terms of 331 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: the competition, another interesting side of this whole thing with 332 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: Mitchell is the fact that he's actually only twenty three, 333 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: and when I was looking through the Instagram page that 334 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: promotes his alcohol business, his girlfriend Chloe Zepp was obviously 335 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: front of the promotion and she's only twenty one. So 336 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: it is interesting because obviously, as we said, it's a 337 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: self regulated system and it's based on people making complaints, 338 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: but I don't think the everyday person would know that 339 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: that's what the ruling is. So in that scenario, while 340 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: they're sharing photos of Chloe Zepp, my understanding is both 341 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: Mitchell and Chloe own the company. So in terms of 342 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: people actually getting in trouble. They would probably get in 343 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: trouble if they are breaching those guidelines because they're the owners, 344 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: they're not just appearing as influencers. Well that's a really 345 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: tough one though, because if you are a young influencer, 346 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: lots of people make up their own brands. It is 347 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: weird that you can be over eighteen be allowed to 348 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: own the brand, but yet can't appear in the marketing. Well. 349 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: Another very problematic campaign that has come up during COVID 350 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: nineteen is a US beer company called Bush Beer. I 351 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: hope I'm pronouncing that right, because I have not drunk 352 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: a beer in my life for to pronounce Bush beer. 353 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: It's b usc h, so I assume that's Bush anyway. 354 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: So they've had a campaign where in order to win 355 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: three months worth of beer, you have to foster or 356 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: adopt a dog from a rescue center. Now, how many 357 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: problematic issues does that bring up? I mean, are we 358 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: going to have these dogs then having to find a 359 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: new home once this campaign is over? 360 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: Well, what's the issue? 361 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: So you can have some competitions, but you can't have others. 362 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 2: I thought it was that you you. 363 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: Can't promote a competition where you're sculling alcohol. I'm more 364 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: saying that this campaign is an issue because people are 365 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: going to go out and buy a dog and then 366 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: they are going to probably abandon the dog when they 367 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 1: haven't won the competition. Specially if it's an alcoholic that 368 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: really wants to win our year supply of beer, is 369 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: it best that we get them to foster a dog. Yeah, 370 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, the rule there is amy that 371 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: marketers must not encourage the excessive or rapid consumption of alcohol. 372 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: So where there are competitions, for instance, like Mitchell Orvil's 373 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: where they're promoting you to find a golden ticket, that 374 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: is encouraging you to buy more and more and more beer, 375 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: so you couldn't do like a neck nomination as an 376 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: Instagram competition. No, probably not anymore. It is interesting because 377 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: the whole issue of influencers promoting alcohol is it is 378 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: really glamorizing alcohol consumption. And I suppose in some way 379 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: binge drinking and daily drinking. And if you look at 380 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: laws surrounding the advertisement of gambling, you're actually not allowed 381 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: to glamorize gambling. So it'll be interesting to see if 382 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: there are laws in the future which stop the glamor 383 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: rization of alcohol. I definitely think there needs to be 384 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: those rules in place. Well, I think the interesting thing 385 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 1: is that we always seem to be a little bit 386 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: behind with the influencer industry. As we touched upon earlier, 387 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: the Australian laws are very different to the UK and 388 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: American laws and it's sort of reflected in one of 389 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: the campaigns that has been launched by the Alcohol and 390 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: Drug Foundation. So recently, off the back of the pandemic, 391 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: they launched a campaign saying you haven't been drinking alone 392 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: that was based on kids seeing their parents drinking in lockdown. 393 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: The ads centered around kids on stage zoom calls and 394 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: they were repeating commonly used adult phrases in regards to drinking. 395 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: So it's quite interesting that there's this big focus on 396 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: drinking in the home, but not so much on how 397 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: kids are viewing drinking by influential people on the internet 398 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: that are readibly coming into their home as well. Well, 399 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: it's obviously working for alcohol companies because they keep doing it, 400 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: so they're obviously seeing a return on their investment. Well, 401 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: it's also a lot cheaper than paying for a big 402 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: shoot with five models you can't really track that return 403 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: on investment, but you get five influencers in we then 404 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: create their own content. 405 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 2: So if you look at. 406 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,959 Speaker 1: The BWS, Olivia Rodgers has gone and take in her 407 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: own photo of her and her dog on the couch. 408 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: Georgia Love has filmed her own little video about it. 409 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: So it's like they don't have to pay for the 410 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: production of the video. They're getting that influencers audience, so 411 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: it's probably a lot cheaper than creating a big new 412 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: campaign that they film themselves. You know what's scary though, 413 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: all the ads seem to be targeted at women, and 414 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: there have been stats recently that showed consumption of alcohol 415 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: has risen by at least forty percent for young women, 416 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: and we're seeing more and more young women who are 417 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: going out and are binge drinking. I mean, I'm not 418 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: saying it's not okay for people to enjoy a drink 419 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: on the weekend, but it is a little bit scary 420 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: when you can see the alcohol companies specifically targeting young women, 421 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: not a normalizing I think the thing that is most 422 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: concerning is that the alcohol is of course a depressant, 423 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: so in these times, we we're already feeling anxious and 424 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: stress that's just going to emphasize these feelings further. And 425 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: these effects are creating new habits, as you guys were 426 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: suggesting before, So once we do return to normal, we're 427 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: going to see more people binge drinking during the week 428 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: because it's a new habit that they've developed. 429 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 430 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: I think it's this issue of normalizing it, which was 431 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: very apparent in choosing someone like Celeste Barber who everyone 432 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: relates to, and then having her drinking through the day. 433 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: It's almost an excuse that, well, she's doing it, so. 434 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: I can do it as well. 435 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: Well. I just think that instead of being bombarded with 436 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: all of these ads encouraging us to drink, there should 437 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: be some more education around what alcohol can actually do 438 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: to us and the negative effects it's having. But do 439 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: you guys think the onus is on the influencer to 440 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: actually reject these campaigns? Because I know it is a 441 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: hard time for influencers, as we were saying, a lot 442 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: of their income has dropped off because brands can't be 443 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: paying for the advertisement they previously had. But do you 444 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: think a lot of influencers should actually just be. 445 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: Saying, no, I'm not going to do these ads. 446 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you say that, because I did notice 447 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: on the weekend Sarah Davidson, who's an influencer, put out 448 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: a video and she had partnered up with Jacob Creek Wines. 449 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: And in the video, it showed her in a husband 450 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: putting together a boozy lunch for her family. But in 451 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: the caption of the video, she said that she doesn't 452 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: really regularly partake in drinking. And I found that odd 453 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: because for someone who also doesn't drink regularly, I would 454 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: find it weird to be approached by an alcohol company 455 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: and then be putting out an ad saying, oh yeah, 456 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: buy this alcohol when I don't actually drink it. 457 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: It kind of took the validity away from the ad. Well, 458 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 2: she did it in a clever way though, because she 459 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: obviously doesn't drink. 460 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: That's why she put on the lunch for her family, 461 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: So it was clever of her to actually promote it 462 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: in that way rather than her just pretending she was 463 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: drinking it. 464 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think it was one of the better ads. 465 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: Well. The thing that didn't really sit well with me 466 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: was seeing a number of influencers who are mental health 467 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: advocates promoting alcohol is this kind of self care product, 468 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: and as I touched on because it is a depressant. Yeah, 469 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: it just didn't align well with me. It just didn't 470 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: sit well with me. I get what you're saying, but 471 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: I think it's a bit unfair because I think even 472 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: if you are a mental health advocate, you can responsibly 473 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: enjoy a drink. So I don't know, but I think 474 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: if your audience has made up for people following you 475 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: because you are that advocate, it is a bit troubling. 476 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: Do you know what though? 477 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I look at some of those ads and 478 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: I see straight through, I'm like, that's an ad. 479 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 2: Well, it would have been. 480 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: Nice if people had used the hashtag drink responsibly, which 481 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: wasn't used in any of the ads. I suppose, moving 482 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: forward into more normality, it will be really interesting to 483 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: see how the alcohol companies again pivot and with more 484 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: of a budget now for influencers, how that's going to 485 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: move on and look like in the future. 486 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 2: Actually, so sunny. 487 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: Let's move on to the pit and peak of the 488 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: social media week, and the peak for me had to 489 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: be when Kim Kardashian shared a worksheet her son Saint 490 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: had made for her for Mother's Day. 491 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 2: Did you guys see this yes, it was bloody hilarious. 492 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: So in the sheet, he had to fill out some 493 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: questions about his mum and included her age, which he 494 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: put as eleven years old. It also said what she 495 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: likes to do, the best thing, She cooks her favorite food. 496 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: It was quite interesting that he noted she likes to 497 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: leave me alone. 498 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 2: Now, I'm not quite sure if that was insinuating that 499 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: he's always with his nanny. 500 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: Well, I've read a couple of articles about mum shaming 501 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: during the coronavirus pandemic, and Kim Kardashian has been one 502 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: who has being shamed a lot. I mean, she got 503 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: in trouble because she asked her audience what are some 504 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: fun activities that we can do with kids during this time? 505 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: And people thought, oh, because you're a mum, you should 506 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: be able to come up in your own activity. So 507 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: I think she has been unfairly criticized during this time. Well, 508 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: one other thing, I mean, I'm not trying to shame her, 509 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: but it was funny he put, as you can see, 510 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: my mum is special because and he wrote, she snuggles 511 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: me and she buys things for me. Now, I found 512 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: that quite hilarious considering her wealth and the amount that 513 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: they I'm assuming they would be spoiled. I thinks that 514 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: being said, I think it's all in fun. I mean, 515 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: she probably wouldn't have shared it if he was being genuine. 516 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: Do you think the teachers sit there and the kids 517 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: are like, oh, shah, right this and they're like, yeah, 518 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: go on, well, moving on to the pit of the week. 519 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: And I am getting so frustrated because I am literally 520 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: seeing the I Am Beautiful filter everywhere and it's really 521 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: annoying me. So for those who aren't familiar with the filter, 522 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: it is one way you kind of end up looking 523 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: like an alien, so your nose is really thinned out, 524 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: then you've got really big lips, and I think it 525 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: also enlarges your eyes. Now, bet Judd has been guilty 526 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: of using this filter quite a lot, and I usually 527 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: watch her stories and I'm kind of thinking why she 528 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: looks so different, and then there's that light bulb moment 529 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: where I'm like, oh, she's using that filter. The thing 530 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: that sounds a bit contradictory is calling it I AM 531 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: Beautiful footer, because to me, that sounds like a caption 532 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: about embracing your own natural beauty, not putting on a 533 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: filter to make your nose look incredibly thin and your 534 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: lips look big. 535 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: I just feel like. 536 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: It's weird for influencers to do it because we obviously 537 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: know what they look like, and then it's just normalizing 538 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: them looking a certain way, so then that they then 539 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: begin face tuning their photos so they look like the 540 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: filter they're using on their story. I think Instagram is 541 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: going to run into a lot of trouble with these 542 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: new filters because, as you say, there needs to be 543 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: some regulations because it's promoting plastic surgery for children, because 544 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: they're getting a look at what they could look like 545 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: with these enhanced features, and it's not giving them any 546 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: realistic impression of what other women look like in real life. 547 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: Was really contradictory, because I feel like the Instagram stories 548 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: were brought in to provide a more authentic look into 549 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: people's lives, and since the introduction of the filters, it's 550 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: now beginning to have that esthetic across to the Instagram 551 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: story that we kind of rebelled against on the feed. 552 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: Mad Mardeling, Bad. 553 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 2: Mardeling. 554 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: Now let's get into the reality wrap and after eighteen 555 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: years and forty seasons, the American Bachelor finally has a 556 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: black leading man. Now, Kay, can you tell us about 557 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: Matt James. So, mattters a twenty eight year old real 558 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: estate broker, and the most interesting thing about his selection 559 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: is the fact that he hasn't actually yet appeared on 560 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: The Bachelorette. So he was actually friends of a contestant 561 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: from Hannah B's season, so people have seen him when 562 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: she went on the hometown visit because he was a 563 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 1: friend of one of the contestants. And he actually was 564 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: picked to appear in Claire Crawley's season of The Bachelorette, 565 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: which is yet to be filmed because it's been pushed 566 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: back because of the pandemic. So he was announced in 567 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: her cast, but suddenly he's now been taken off her 568 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: cast and is the Bachelor. And this is all because 569 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: of the Bachelor Diversity campaign that was launched a couple 570 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: of days ago, and in a couple of days it 571 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: received over ninety thousand signatures. Wow, that's incredible. I mean, 572 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: it is amazing that we are going to have our 573 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: first black bachelor in America. But the thing that is 574 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: troubling is it does seem like a knee jerk reaction 575 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: and kind of almost not very genuine by the Bachelor team. Well, 576 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: the interesting thing is the diversity campaign has actually called 577 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: for thirteen steps for the ABC and Warner Brothers who 578 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: produced The American Bachelor, to combat racism. So the first 579 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: step was to actually cast at their first black Bachelor. 580 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: On your view of it being a knee jerk reaction, 581 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: that's actually what Rachel lindsay, who was the first black 582 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: female bachelort, That's exactly what she said. 583 00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 2: She congratulated Matt. 584 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: She said, I'm happy to see that a black man 585 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: was cast after eighteen years and fourteen seasons. I believe 586 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: it is a step in the right direction. I would 587 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: be remiss to not point out that, based on the 588 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: current climate, it feels like a knee jerk reaction and 589 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: a result of societal pressure. This announcement, without any further 590 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: commitments regarding diversity, sweepingly brushes deeper issues under the rug 591 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: until we see action to address the systematic racism within 592 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: the franchise. The casting use today is equivalent to the 593 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: trend of posting a black box on your social media 594 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: account without other steps taken to dismantle the systems if injustice. 595 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: What do you guys think of her comments. Well, it's 596 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: actually not the first time she's condemned the Bachelor series. 597 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: So she's got her own podcast talking about The Bachelor, 598 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: and she has come out and said it's embarrassing that 599 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: they haven't had a black Bachelor, and two years ago 600 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: she actually said that that the Bachelor production team didn't 601 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: look after her and one of the after the Rose 602 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: ceremonies and that she was getting baited and harassed on air. 603 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: She's also been critical of the casting of The Bachelor before, 604 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: so she was saying that social media influencers are ruining 605 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: the Bachelor because they're just picking them as contestants and 606 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: they're not actually there to find love. So it's quite 607 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: interesting that she has made so many comments about the 608 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: Bachelor and Bachelorette which are true. I think it's great 609 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: because I don't think we would have seen a black 610 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: Bachelor in the twenty fifth season of The Bachelor if 611 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: it hadn't been for Rachel pushing it. Well, it's interesting 612 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: to look a bit closer to home. And of course 613 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: in Australia, Blake Garvey was our second Bachelor and he 614 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: is of course a black man. But what is troubling 615 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 1: is despite the fact that he was our second Bachelor. 616 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: Black people have not been well represented as contestants in 617 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: the Australian franchise and that's something they too have been 618 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: heavily criticized for well, and that's exactly what this diversity 619 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: campaign petitioner is calling for. So not only did they 620 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: want a black man cast as the lead, but they 621 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: also said that black and indigenous people of color should 622 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: make up thirty five percent of the cast. Now. Bachelor 623 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: creator Mike Fleece has actually previously blamed the show's lack 624 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: of diversity on the claim that, for whatever reason, people 625 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: of color don't come forward to actually be on the show. 626 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: And I feel like you can't say that, Like it's. 627 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 2: A bit of a how do you prove that? I'm sorry? 628 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: When you look at shows like The Bachelor or any 629 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: other reality show, they do have casting call and people 630 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: do apply, but most of the time they ignore those 631 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: calls and they find them. 632 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: They find them on Instagram. 633 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: So that's ridiculous, exactly right, So why are we not 634 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: looking at Instagram of people of color and inviting them 635 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: to be on the show. 636 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: It's a bit of a cop out. 637 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: Well, despite it being a knee jerk reaction, it is 638 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: a good reaction and it is a positive step forward. 639 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: And this guy, he looks incredible. I'm really looking forward 640 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: to seeing how this all plays out. Yeah. Well, Matt 641 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: himself has actually been asked about what he thinks of 642 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: the decision, and he said he thinks it's a step 643 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: in the right direction. And he was actually asked about 644 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: what type of woman he's looking for, and he said, 645 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: it's not a black and white thing. So I'm hoping 646 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: that when the limo pulls up, there's a lot of 647 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: diversity and I see every type of woman coming out 648 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: of that limo. So we'll be interesting to see how 649 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: The Bachelor follows through with that casting process. Well, it's 650 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: kind of ironic because I watched the show Unreal, which 651 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: is sort of a fictitious take on The Bachelor. Well, 652 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: it's actually been produced by a former Bachelor producer, so 653 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people think it's kind of behind the 654 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: scenes of what really happens on the show. Yeah, and 655 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: even in a few of the episodes, they've brought up 656 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: the issue that there aren't a lot of people of 657 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: color on those shows, and there was a reoccurring sort 658 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: of storyline that they needed to have this particular man 659 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: who was a person of color make a certain week 660 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: like apparently a person of color had never made it 661 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: past week three or something crazy like that. Was not 662 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: surprising because you do see that they have a couple 663 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: of black guys on there, but they never seem to actually, 664 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: as you say, make it through a certain level, and 665 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: they're never very big. 666 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: Parts of the show. 667 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: Well, Lindsey, I think she was probably only one woman 668 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: of color that actually made it to the top four. 669 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: And I think it has a lot more to do 670 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: with the percentage of people of color put in as contestants. 671 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: If they suddenly put in thirty five percent contestants who 672 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: are of color, we will see a lot more people 673 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: of make it further into the show. Yeah. Well, The 674 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: Bachelor did release a statement on the issue, and they said, 675 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: we know we have a responsibility to make sure the 676 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: love stories we're seeing on screen are representative of the 677 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: world we live in, and we are proudly in service 678 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: to our audience. This is just the beginning, and we 679 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 1: will continue to take action with regard to diversity issues 680 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: on this franchise. So fingers crossed that this is the 681 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: start of a really big change and we will see 682 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: the Bachelor, ticking off those thirteen points that the Bachelor 683 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: Diversity campaign has asked for. 684 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 3: If you said to me, Sky, what's two times? What's 685 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 3: eight times? Twoe like, I would not even know. I 686 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 3: cannot tell you. 687 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: Now let's get into our favorite topic of the week, 688 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: and it is, of course awkward turtle. Now, we thought 689 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: we'd kick off this discussion by talking about the awkward 690 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: and kind of eye rolling things that your partner does. 691 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: That then you're somewhat implicated in Now, Kate, you have 692 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: a story to share about your ex. Yeah, so my 693 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend used to ask me to take photos of 694 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: him just shirtless to see if he was progressing at 695 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: the gym or if he looked quote fat. Now, I 696 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: think it was more awkward for me because I used 697 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: to walk in on these little photo shoots. They'd happened 698 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: downstairs and I just walk into a shirtless They weren't 699 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: really photo shoots. He literally just stood there and I 700 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: snapped the photo on his phone. I didn't have any 701 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: of these photos. And another awkward thing was he was 702 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: fanatical about practicing his golf swing, which was so annoying. 703 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: You'd be at the shops and he'd be practicing that 704 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: stupid like squat pose and the swing back, and sometimes 705 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: I'd have to film that and it was just so awkward. 706 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: It just I didn't want to be involved. It made 707 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: me feel uncomfortable. This has actually made me think of 708 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: another awkward thing that my ex used to do. But 709 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't actually implicated in it, but I would be 710 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: embarrassed because after every meal he would get his napkin and. 711 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: Blow his nose. And this would happen obviously at. 712 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: Family dinner and one time he blew his nose into 713 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: a material napkin as well. 714 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 2: That is so disgusting. 715 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: It's not a bloody hanky actually, but you kind of 716 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: are implicated because you're with him, do you know what 717 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: I mean? It comes across badly on you. What about 718 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: when my ex boyfriend, I think it was when we 719 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: used to go to Cottonon to buy stuff and what do. 720 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: You mean used to Cottonon's great? 721 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's great, but I had somehow got 722 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: him into cotton and he used to buy like expensive 723 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: stuff and then he really loved cotton On. And I 724 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: remember being in the Chaine rooms because they were muni 725 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: sex and he would like parade out of them, and 726 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: I'd be in there just like you know, I hate 727 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: those people that parade around in their outfits in front 728 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: of the mirror. 729 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 2: It would just be so awkward. 730 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: That's very unusual for a boy though, because usually they 731 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: don't like to try anything, or they'd just be like, yep, that's. 732 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 2: Large as mine. That kind of reminds me. 733 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: Do you remember when you were younger and used to 734 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: go shopping with your mum and then Mum would always 735 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: make you try on the clothes and like do a 736 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: little fashion parade for dad. And when you're at home, Yeah, 737 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: Dad wouldn't give a shit what was going on now, 738 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: But Dad now does that. So Dad's really got into 739 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: online shopping, so at family dinner he'll come down and 740 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: show his purchases. 741 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: It's so cute. 742 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 4: Well, if your partner does anything awkward and you're somewhat involved, implicating, 743 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 4: implicated in that awkwardness, we'd love it if you could 744 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 4: share it in our podcast community, so you can find 745 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 4: us that outspoken podcast community on Facebook. 746 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: Yes, it would be really nice to hear that other 747 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: poor people have been implicated in these embarrassing tasks. And 748 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: that's not just me now, I think that's all we 749 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: have time for. Thank you so much for joining us 750 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: for today's episode. If you have enjoyed, it would be 751 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,919 Speaker 1: great if you could share a screenshot of where you're 752 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: listening from on your Instagram story and tag us out Outspoken, Underscore, 753 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: the Underscore Podcast. It would also be great if you 754 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: could leave us a review. It really helps us get 755 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: into the charts and more people listening. And make sure 756 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: that you are subscribed because that way you know when 757 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: our latest episodes will drop.