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Speaker 1: Since publishing her very popular book about anxiety, Sarah Wilson

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Speaker 1: has been bombarded with questions about its opposite calm, and

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Speaker 1: her answer when people ask how can they get more

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Speaker 1: calm and less stress in their life is almost always

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Speaker 1: the same, go for a hike. So what does Sarah

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Speaker 1: do on her hikes? How long does she go for,

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Speaker 1: what does she take? In this episode, Sarah explains her

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Speaker 1: approach to walking in nature and how she uses it

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Speaker 1: to manage stress, spite creativity, and improve mental clarity. My

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Speaker 1: name is doctor amanthe Immer. I'm an organizational psychologist and

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Speaker 1: the founder of behavioral science consultancy Inventium, and this is

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Speaker 1: how I work a show about how to help you

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Speaker 1: do your best work. On today's My Favorite Tip episode,

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Speaker 1: we go back to an interview for the past and

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Speaker 1: I pick out my favorite tip from the interview. In

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Speaker 1: today's show, I speak with Sarah Wilson and we start

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Speaker 1: by talking about what her process is for mulling over

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Speaker 1: problems when she goes on a hike.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I often walk with it just a piece of

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Speaker 2: ratty paper down my bra because I often don't take

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Speaker 2: a backpack. You know, if it's a three hour under

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Speaker 2: a three hour walk. I'll just hike with just a

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Speaker 2: credit card, a piece of paper and a pencil down

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Speaker 2: my bra and yeah, and I'll sit down and write.

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Speaker 2: Or I will sometimes dictate into my phone, but I

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Speaker 2: don't like doing that kind of break.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm a handwriter.

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Speaker 2: I handwrite all of my books first, because I just

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Speaker 2: find again, handwriting goes at the same pace as discerning thought,

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Speaker 2: you know, whereas typing's too fast. I will often have

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Speaker 2: a particular problem, like sometimes I go for a hike

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Speaker 2: when I am in such a like lost lot in

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Speaker 2: space in my head and I just cannot solve an issue,

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Speaker 2: and I just have to start hiking. About twenty to

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Speaker 2: thirty minutes in all the thoughts are starting to percolate,

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Speaker 2: and then some start seeming more beautiful than others. They

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Speaker 2: just sort of bubble up to the surface, and some

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Speaker 2: of them I grab onto and go yes. And when

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Speaker 2: you hike, you're in an elevated, slightly euphoric state, and

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Speaker 2: so if a good thought emergers, it really stands out,

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Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like it's bright and light,

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Speaker 2: and intuitively you go, yes, that's the right thing, you know,

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Speaker 2: And then I will write it down. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: lots of creatives throughout history did the same thing. So

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Speaker 2: Nietzsche he had to write all of these books while walking,

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Speaker 2: and he kept a he had a sort of walking

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Speaker 2: stuff and he had a little hole in the top

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Speaker 2: for his paper and his little pencil that he would

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Speaker 2: keep in there so that he could stop and write.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Vince and bang Goff was the same.

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Speaker 2: There's countless people who had to walk to get their

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Speaker 2: creative thoughts sorted. But yeah, it's a people say to me, Oh,

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Speaker 2: how do you go about it? I'm like, don't worry

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Speaker 2: about it. It just works. Like I promise you, if

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Speaker 2: you go for a minimum hour's walk, whatever problem you've got,

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Speaker 2: creative problem, it will just bubble to the surface. Don't worry.

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Speaker 2: It just does. It does its magic. You don't just walk,

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Speaker 2: just hyke.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you enjoyed this extract from my chat

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Speaker 1: with Sarah, you might enjoy listening to the full episode

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Speaker 1: and you can find a link to that in the

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Speaker 1: show notes. If you're looking for more tips to improve

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Speaker 1: the way that you work. I write a short fortnightly

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Speaker 1: part of the kool And Nation. I am so grateful

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Speaker 1: land and I want to pay my respects to elders, past,

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