1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the daily This is 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: the Daily. Ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: the eleventh of November. 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 1: I'm Zara, I'm Nandini. This week the government's going to 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: introduce legislation that will make it illegal for anyone under 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: the age of sixteen to access social media. It comes 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: after the Prime Minister shared further details about the proposal 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: last week, which the Opposition has said it's going to support. 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: Social media is doing harm to our kids, and I'm 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: calling timeline today. 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: We are going to take you through how this law 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: will impact young people, how it will be enforced, and 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: how ausies have responded to it. First, Nandini, we've been 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: hearing about minimum age restrictions for social media for what 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: feels like ages. I think a good starting point would 17 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: probably be for you to just give us a bit 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: of background as to what's happened over the last six months, 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: like how did we even get here? 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: So a few months ago it became clear that both 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: the Labor government and the Coalition opposition supported a social 22 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: media ban for young people. 23 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: Which is pretty rare. Like, I think we need to 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 2: say upfront, it's fairly rare to see this sort of bipartisanship. 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and then in June, Opposition leader Peter Dunden made 26 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: a promise that if the Coalition were to win the 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: federal election, it would ban social media for under sixteens. 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: Then in September the PM said it would introduce legislation 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: before the next federal election, which is meant to be 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: before May next year. 31 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 2: Okay, And so when the government first announced that they 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: were going to be introducing the social media ban, they 33 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: kind of had this one tile that said we are 34 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: going to ban it before the end of this year, 35 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: but there was very little detail that came with that, 36 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: and then last week we finally got that detail. So 37 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: talk me through what we know about what Anthony Albaniez 38 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: wants this social media ban to look like. 39 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: So what we've said so far is that we know 40 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: the government is seeking to ban Australians under the age 41 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: of sixteen from accessing social media. 42 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: And that age was a new fact that we learned 43 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: last week because internationally it's been different ages, but here 44 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 2: they've settled on sixteen. 45 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was also discussions about twelve or fourteen, 46 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: but sixteen is what they've now said, and when Albanesi 47 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: announced the government's plans late last week, he said the 48 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: legislation would be a blanket ban for anyone under the 49 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: age of sixteen, so no exceptions. It would apply to 50 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: anyone under sixteen, even if they had consent from a 51 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: parent or guardian to. 52 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: Be on social media fascinating. 53 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: The PM also said that this responsibility is going to 54 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: fall on social media platforms and their companies to ensure 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: that Australian uses us sixteen years or older. 56 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: So they're the practicality point is that it's not on 57 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: the individual, it's on the platform itself. 58 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: Yeap, So young people and parents won't be held responsible 59 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: in this case, and it is completely up to social 60 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: media platforms to demonstrate that they're taking reasonable steps to 61 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: prevent access. 62 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: Okay. I think this is a really interesting point because 63 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: it's leaving this enforcement mechanism up to the tech platform 64 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: So we know have had an interesting relationship with government 65 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: as of late. So if, for example, Meta or x 66 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 2: decides that they don't want to follow this rule, how 67 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: does the government actually plan to enforce it. 68 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: That's a job that's being left to the E Safety Commissioner, 69 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: which is Australia's online safety watchdog. While there's no actual 70 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: penalties for users who breach the law, the government said 71 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: social media companies are going to be subject to those 72 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: new penalties. Okay. 73 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: So if a young person is found to be operating 74 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: on X, for example, tweeting at the age of thirteen, 75 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: they won't get fined. X will get fined. 76 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: We don't know if it's a fine or if it's 77 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: some sort of restriction, but some sort of penalty, okay. 78 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: In a statement from E Safety, the body is that 79 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: it will ensure companies which profit off Australians are increasingly 80 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: transparent and accountable. 81 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: Okay, So Nandini, the E Safety Commissioner, will play a 82 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: really big role in this. But I guess the other 83 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: part that still isn't clear is how will the technology 84 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: behind this band actually work? How is a sixteen year 85 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: old meant to prove that they are of age? And 86 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: there have been lots of ideas floated around about you know, 87 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: having to upload identification, but then that, you know, creates 88 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: a whole new topic of conversation as to who owns 89 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: that data and should we be keeping the data of 90 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: young people in databases owned by tech platforms, and so 91 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: I think there's a whole lot of work that needs 92 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: to go into understanding how the government intends for this 93 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: law to actually work in practice. 94 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of discussion about it. There's been 95 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff coming out of the opposition as well, 96 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: talking about age verification and uses of AI to try 97 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: and verify that, but so far there haven't been any 98 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: f the details from the government. This is what they've 99 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: said so far, and I think we have to keep 100 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: our eye out and see if they put out further 101 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: details as it goes through Parliament. 102 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: And we know that those age verification trials are currently underway, 103 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: but they're underway is trials, and if the government is 104 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 2: going to pass this legislation by the year's end, we 105 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: are going to need to have a bit more of 106 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 2: a solid understanding as to what that looks like. You 107 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: mentioned there that the opposition has talked a lot about 108 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: these age verification trials. How have they responded to the 109 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: announcement last week by the Albanese government. 110 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: So the coalitions not only welcomed Albanese's announcement, but they've 111 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: also pledged to work constructively with the government. Shadow Communications 112 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: Minister David Coleman said that he wants the bill to 113 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: be passed through Parliament this year, which is just a 114 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: few months left, and this would mean it would come 115 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: into effect before the end of twenty twenty five. However, 116 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: he did say that the Coalition want to ensure that 117 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: the legislation is strong and free of any loopholes. 118 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: I want to talk about loopholes in a second, but 119 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,559 Speaker 2: I think that it should be said that this bill 120 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: will pass if it has the support of the Coalition 121 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: and obviously the government who is introducing it, So we 122 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: can expect to see it come into force fairly quickly 123 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 2: after its introduced, which is, as I said, a very 124 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: rare turn of events. Now, David Coleman there spoke of loopholes, 125 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: and I wanted to ask you about the under sixteens 126 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: on social media who are famous. I know that this 127 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: is a bit of a niche topic, but I was 128 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 2: thinking about people like Arisa True, who's an Olympian. She's fourteen. 129 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: We made a whole big deal about how talented and 130 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: young she is. She has hundreds of thousands of followers 131 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: on social media who are following her journey. What would 132 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: this law mean for someone like her someone who has 133 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: a master following, but perhaps is operating under a parent 134 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: managed account. 135 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: I think this is so interesting because child influences are 136 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: becoming such a big thing, even when it comes to 137 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: prodigies like musical prodigy Lead. But what we know so 138 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: far is that it's a blanket ban. If you're under sixteen, 139 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: you won't be allowed to be on social media. The 140 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: government said it's not making any exceptions. So I think 141 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: that this is a very interesting space to watch and 142 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: to see how the government will navigate it, but also 143 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: how these users might respond to the ban if it's implemented. 144 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: I have a lot more questions for you, Nandini about 145 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: how this ban will work, but before we get to them, 146 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: here's a quick message from our sponsor. Okay, so we're 147 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: back and I have a question for you. We're talking 148 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: about this at a federal level, obviously, the federal government 149 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: led by Anthony Albernezi, but we have also on this 150 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: podcast before spoken about a push at a state level. 151 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: You know, I spoke at a social media summit held 152 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: by the New South Wales government and the South Australian 153 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: governments earlier this year. We know that there's a push 154 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 2: there how do these two things work. 155 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: So the South Australian government has been a particularly active 156 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: state when it comes to this topic. Earlier this year, 157 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: the state proposed laws to ban children under the age 158 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: of fourteen from accessing social media, and as you mentioned, 159 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: they hosted a social media summit with the new Southwest 160 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: government last month, and so these states are working closely 161 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: with the federal government to implement a minimum age requirement 162 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: for social media. There was actually a National Cabinet meeting 163 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: on Friday, and that's where the Prime Minister and the 164 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: State and territory ministers gathered to discuss the issue of 165 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: young people on social media, and out of that meeting, 166 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: the States and territories endorsed the government's decision to introduce 167 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: this legislation. 168 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: I think where I get confused is that we've just 169 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: said that South Australia has a proposed band for anyone 170 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: under the age of fourteen, but the federal government is 171 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,239 Speaker 2: looking at sixteen. If you're a South Australian who is fifteen, 172 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 2: what happens to you. 173 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: That's definitely a point that's been brought up, and I 174 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: think there's a bit of confusion there too. There's been 175 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: some discussion around what I guess the right age to 176 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: do this would be, But it seems that the government 177 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: has landed on sixteen as the magic number. 178 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: Fascinating, all right, So moving on we I've spoken about 179 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: the fact that this is one of those rare times 180 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: where both the government and the opposition are on the 181 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: same page, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any 182 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: opposing voices to this social media bam. Can you talk 183 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: me through what some of the criticism or I guess 184 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: lowercase O opposition to this proposed legislation has been. 185 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of discussion around this topic, not 186 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: just in recent weeks, but in the past few months. 187 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: The government is coming from the angle of wanting to 188 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: protect young people from the many harms of social media. 189 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: But what a lot of independent organizations and academics have 190 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: pointed out is that social media does have a positive side. 191 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: Around two months ago, a bunch of mental health services 192 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: came together and said that a blanket ban on social 193 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: media is not the answer. Organizations like reach Out, Headspace, 194 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: and the Black Dog Institute basically said that while there 195 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: are concerns surrounding the impacts of social media on young people, 196 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: new safety features and limitations on the platform would be 197 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: more suitable measures as opposed to a blanket ban. 198 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: Okay, so they're suggesting there that it needs to be 199 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: things like restricting the infinite scroll. All of us have 200 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: been there, or improving young people's literacy when it comes 201 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 2: to navigating social media, not just banning them altogether exactly. 202 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: And these organizations have also suggested having the option to 203 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: reset your algorithm, which I think is really interesting and 204 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: that could help limit harmful content which might be recurring 205 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: in your feed. There was also some research conducted by 206 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: reach Out which found that nearly three quarters of young 207 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: people use social media to access mental health support. 208 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: That's really interesting. 209 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: And so I think that's one of the positive sides 210 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: to social media. It makes resources but also different communities 211 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: and groups of people accessible to one another. 212 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know that there's been a lot of 213 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: talk about, you know, young people who live in remote 214 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: or regional areas and that they engage in communities online. 215 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: Definitely, and some academics from the Australian National University or 216 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: a and U said last month that the online will 217 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: is also a place where children and young people can 218 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: access information, connect with family and friends, and learn about 219 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: the world around them. These experts have argued that the 220 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: government's proposed blanket ban could impinge upon the rights to 221 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: access and participate in the digital world. 222 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so lots of points there about the connectivity that 223 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: social media allows for. But then there's also the kind 224 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: of literal steps of how do you actually ban young 225 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: people who will likely find another way exactly. 226 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: And these are things that we're waiting on more confirmation from. 227 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: But something that came out from UNICEF Australia is that 228 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: if young people are banned from social media and they 229 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: want to use it, considering we're talking about that digital 230 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: native generation, they're probably going to figure out a way 231 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: around the restrictions. And that was from the head of 232 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: Policy and Advocacy at UNICEF Australia. 233 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of work to be 234 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 2: done in really laying out the course here and how 235 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: this will work in practice, and it is a huge 236 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: undertaking and a huge change, you know, even something as 237 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: small as the fact that we have people that access 238 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: our news via social media who are under the age 239 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: of sixteen, and I know a lot of separate conversations 240 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: can be had about whether children should be reading the 241 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: news or not, but there are so many implications at 242 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: every point of the journey here, so I'm really interested 243 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: to see where the government lands on this and how 244 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: they will enforce it. Definitely one to keep an eye on. 245 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 2: But thank you so much, Nandini. Thank you so much 246 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 2: for listening to this episode of the Daily os podcast. 247 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 2: If you learnt something from this episode, please feel free 248 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: to send it to a friend or give us five 249 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: stars on whatever platform you are listening on. We so 250 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: appreciate your support and we'll be back again tomorrow with 251 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 2: another deep dive. My name is Lily Madden and I'm 252 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: a proud Arunda Bungelung Caalcuttin woman from Gadigl Country. 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