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Speaker 1: This is Rise and Conquer, the podcast where we strive

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Speaker 2: Join me as we explore parenthood, business, manifestation, and so

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Speaker 2: Hello, my loves, Welcome back to the show today. I

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Speaker 2: have a very exciting guess. It is the incredible Erica.

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Speaker 2: area all the time. It's just like it's not feasible.

435
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Speaker 2: And it's also again, I don't want to be like

436
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 2: the same in life. I want to have different, yeah experiences,

437
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: So like, for example, I just went through a really hectic,

438
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 2: like busy month with work where I had to you know,

439
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 2: fly to a different state and I was doing a

440
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 2: talk and then I had a photo shoots, you know,

441
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 2: all these things happening. So like the work bucket was

442
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 2: like really full, and like the self care and the

443
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: family time was like probably it was leaking kind of thing,

444
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 2: and not being like too hard on myself, but being

445
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 2: like okay, well, next month, let's switch that, let's overfill

446
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 2: the other buckets and being okay with that, because I

447
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 2: think sometimes we can be so hard on ourselves. We

448
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 2: can be like, oh my god, I haven't spent any

449
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 2: time with my partner, so I'm a horrible partner, or

450
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: you know those sorts of things. So also understanding that

451
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 2: it's okay to go hard in some areas of your life,

452
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 2: but also know that it's not sustainable and you've got

453
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 2: to switch it up and you've got to pour into

454
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,479
Speaker 2: other areas. And also it's not sustainable that they're all

455
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: going to be equal all the time.

456
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we're not perfect.

457
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 2: It's just it's not how life's going to do it.

458
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 2: So being okay with that, I think, even like something

459
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 2: I've been thinking a lot lately, is like the duality

460
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: of life, like being okay with things being a bit

461
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: chaotic and those sorts of things really strengthening your emotional

462
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: intelligence and like working on your nervous system during those things,

463
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: because like in the end, we're always going to run

464
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 2: into chaos, We're always going to run into busy seasons,

465
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: We're always going to have hardships, And it's more like

466
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: how do you be throughout that.

467
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you bring that up, like the duality

468
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 3: of life, because I feel like it's not something we

469
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: acknowledge enough that you could feel too such contrasting emotions

470
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 3: at the same time. Like I live overseas, so whenever

471
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 3: I come home to Australia, I have this big emotional

472
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: separate experience where I'm like so grateful to be back

473
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: and I'm so happy to see everyone, but then at

474
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 3: the same time, it's like in my face that this

475
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: is what I'm missing all the time. And then it's

476
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 3: also like on the flip of that, i always miss home,

477
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 3: but then when I'm here it feels like I'm not

478
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 3: ready to move back. And so when you're going through it,

479
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 3: it feels like such an abnormal experience, but you're right,

480
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: like just allowing yourself.

481
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: Allowing it be not making yourself wrong about it.

482
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And back to what you were saying, like,

483
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: I mean even with this where you're like, it's so simple,

484
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: a couple of things for each area of your life,

485
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 3: life still happens, right, So it's more like this is

486
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Speaker 3: your framework. And I guarantee you if you genuinely find

487
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 3: the couple things that fill you up, would make you

488
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 3: happy when you're feeling off, you'll be able to quickly say, oh,

489
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: it's because I haven't spent time with my daughter. Well,

490
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: for me, it's like when I skip my meditation, I'll

491
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 3: just forget to do it, you know, like there's always

492
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 3: something that I know is so important from my sense

493
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 3: of groundedness, and it's just a case of Okay, now

494
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: I know what I need to do, not I'm going

495
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 3: to feel so guilty that I haven't been doing it.

496
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just knowing when you need to like

497
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: switch and change.

498
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

499
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: I love that shift gears. You know, you stepped away

500
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Speaker 2: from the traditional corporate and then you have gone into

501
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: so you're currently an in house lawyer. How would you

502
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: describe it again?

503
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: You're liked a fractional in house lawyer. Yeah, I'm like

504
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: running my own business.

505
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: You run your own business in house lawyer. What I

506
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: love about you two, Erica is the fact that you

507
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: know you have obviously your podcast, the balance, the really

508
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: you're doing that, You've got your ECMM business, You've got

509
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 2: your own business of the in house lawyer. You haven't

510
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: kind of made yourself pick one, do you know what

511
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: I mean? Like you're okay with like I can be

512
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 2: all these things, and I can, because I think sometimes

513
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: there's this perception that to be successful, it's something you

514
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: have to go all in and you have to be

515
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: like ride or die, And I just don't believe in

516
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: that because I'm also a very multi passionate person. Like,

517
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: how do you kind of feel about that? And how

518
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: was like the identity framework around that.

519
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: It's a really good question. It's honestly something I've struggled

520
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: with in the past because I felt like I want

521
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: to work on my personal brand, but like, how do

522
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: I position myself because I'm not like talking to one

523
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 3: type of person, I could maybe be speaking to multiple

524
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: Like I have so many different aspects of who I am,

525
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: And when I felt like I was stuck in that

526
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: corporate job, and I had that one identity, Like I

527
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: just felt so suffocated, and so for me, it kind

528
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 3: of came forcefully out of me trying to be the

529
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 3: one thing. And then I've also had this other side

530
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: where I'm like, if I'm not doing one thing one

531
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 3: hundred percent, am I just doing everything else at thirty

532
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: three percent each? Like? Am I missing out here on

533
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 3: actually building something? But as time has gone on, I've

534
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: just seen that there's been seasons for things like the

535
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: podcast had a big season last year, Like we had

536
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 3: a massive growth phase last year. There was a lot

537
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: of change. I brought in a lot of new things,

538
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 3: and just the way I was doing things was different.

539
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 3: This year, kind of the legal consulting has taken more

540
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: front seat because I've got baby on the way, and

541
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: that shift, which I'm sure we'll talk about, has kind

542
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: of been a part of me wanting a bit more

543
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: of a flexible lifestyle. So it's definitely something I've struggled with,

544
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 3: and I think we don't speak about enough how to

545
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: be okay with just kind of letting yourself explore different aspects.

546
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: But I think still within that, you still have seasons

547
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: where something is the most important at that moment of time,

548
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: and that doesn't have to be like for three years,

549
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: I'm just doing this. It could just be look this

550
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 3: week or this month, this is taking priority. I'm focusing

551
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: on this, like this week, I'm here in Queensland, I'm

552
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: doing the podcast, I'm not doing any other work. So

553
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: I think it's just being flexible and not trying to

554
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: have to be one thing all the time. Like you're

555
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: never going to be one thing all the time. Sometimes

556
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 3: you need to be looked after as well. You know,

557
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: you need to let yourself be different roles and you

558
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: have needs as well as a person. So it's good

559
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: life practice as well.

560
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: I love that there is this weird sort of thing

561
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: of if you are really serious about something, you go

562
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: all in. I just, yeah, I don't agree. I don't

563
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 2: agree that. I like you said, I love having seasons

564
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: for things. I love going in and out of, you know,

565
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 2: certain businesses. I feel like it's very feminine.

566
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like more creative flowy.

567
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that, and I feel a lot more

568
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: filled up when I'm doing that too.

569
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 3: But it's interesting because the way we study and the

570
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: way like for people listening, you have more of a

571
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 3: corporate job, it's very masculine, like so masculine, and I

572
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 3: had this she was like a female dietitian. I think

573
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: she was or more in the nutritionist space, and we

574
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: were talking about the difference between female and male cycles,

575
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: and the way the corporate world is structured is on

576
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: a male cycle, the testoseron levels reset every twenty four hours,

577
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 3: whereas us females, it's like on average twenty eight days.

578
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 3: But we're expected to go in and be the same

579
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 3: and perform the same every day, and we put that

580
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 3: expectation on ourselves. So when I shifted into this more

581
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 3: flexible kind of routine and I've got a few different things,

582
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: it's actually really nice to be like, actually, today I'm

583
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 3: not feeling as energetic. I'm not going to go and

584
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: record like ten podcasts because it's not going to come

585
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: out as authentically. I'm going to do more of the

586
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: admin or editing or whatever like. So you kind of

587
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: have options that way, but I was stuck in that, like,

588
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: I haven't given one hundred percent today like I did

589
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: every other day. Yeah, but I saw this really good

590
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: like visual on Instagram and it was like one hundred

591
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: percent every day and it was like one day was

592
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: five percent, the next day was thirty. If you've only

593
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: got five percent to give that day and you give

594
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: five percent, you've given one hundred percent. Yeah, that's a

595
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: really nice refrain.

596
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's even like, what have you found

597
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: with stepping more into your feminine? Because, yeah, like corporate life,

598
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: I was in it, you experienced it. It's very masculine,

599
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: it's very structured, it's very this is the way to

600
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: do things. How has it felt kind of stepping into

601
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: your feminine? And then also, you guys, if you're just listening,

602
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: you can't see for Erica is twenty six weeks pregnant almost, Yeah,

603
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: twenty six weeks pregnant, So you are about to come

604
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: a first time mum, so exciting with a baby girl.

605
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: How does that kind of feel with what you're doing

606
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: with work and the podcast and all those sorts of things.

607
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: So kind of the reality I'm living right now is

608
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: a very intentional move. So twelve months ago I made

609
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 3: the decision to quit my corporate job and basically do

610
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: that same work, but on a consulting basis. So I

611
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: get to pick the clients I work with, I get

612
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: to choose the hours I work, and this all sounds

613
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: very glamorous, and it took a lot of time to build, right,

614
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: And it wasn't like this I'm just going to go

615
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: and do this heroic kind of moment. It was filled

616
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: with so much fear and like, have I made the

617
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: right choice stepping away from like a stable income when

618
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: I have a baby on the way, Like all of

619
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 3: that went through my head, But I know that the

620
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: kind of life it would give me, with the effort

621
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: I would put behind it would be one that gave

622
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: me flexibility so that I could still make money doing

623
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: something I really enjoy and be involved in business and

624
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: do legal work. I always say I really always enjoyed

625
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: the work, like genuinely, especially when I moved out of

626
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: banking finance and moved more into like a corporate commercial role.

627
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: It's more like you're getting to do the legals for

628
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: a business that's doing cool things. That's how I see it.

629
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: I got to be involved in businesses, but when I

630
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: was doing it for someone else, it was very corporate

631
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: and it was very transactional, Whereas I'm like, I don't know,

632
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: like wearing suits, like I'd love to meet you over

633
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: a coffee in a cafe like I'm relationship based, like

634
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: I love connecting with people again. So the shift for

635
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: me has been incredible. And it took a lot of

636
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: months of hard work to kind of build up my

637
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: books and tell people what I do and actually work

638
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: out what do I like to do, how do I

639
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: like to run things? But it just feels like it's

640
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: all fallen into place. And as I said, it was

641
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: very intentional because I had to get very clear on

642
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: I know, I want to have kids, so what kind

643
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: of a mum don't want to be? So what kind

644
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: of a life do I want to have? Do I

645
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: still want to have things for myself, you know? And

646
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: everyone's answers to these are going to be so different.

647
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: But I have the podcast and I didn't want to

648
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: stop that. I did genuinely enjoy what I was doing

649
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: for work, and it's my source of main income at

650
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: the moment. And so finding a way to make time

651
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: for all this in an environment that I didn't have

652
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: to physically go into an office every day so I

653
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: can be present with my child and I can work

654
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: flexible hours, that was really important to me. So being

655
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: in this position now where I have that flexibility, it's

656
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: just surreal feeling, you know, when you like, I don't

657
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: want to yeah, I'll use the word manifest something, but

658
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: you also get clear on something and you just build

659
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: a path and you're putting the steps to get there.

660
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: I feel really at peace knowing that I've created what

661
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: I think will be the right environment for the life

662
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: hum foreseeing and she arrives.

663
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: I love that so much. What's interesting is what you

664
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: said there of you know, leaving your corporate job, you

665
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: did experience the fear and the doubt. But now that you're,

666
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: you know, twelve months down the track, it sounds like

667
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: you're like, of course I did it, because like I'm living,

668
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: you know, my dream life. I'm living the outcome that

669
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: I want it. For someone who's maybe you know, they

670
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: haven't left the job, or they haven't left the relationship,

671
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: or they haven't you know, they haven't done that jump.

672
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: And like you said, it doesn't have to be this

673
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: huge jump, but it's still it's still risky, it still

674
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: can dysregulate us. For that person who does want to

675
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: make a big change, they do want to take the

676
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: risk and they do want to take the jumpt but

677
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: they've got all those inner critic beautiful feelings. Yeah, incredible

678
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: duality feelings. What would you say to that? What would

679
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: be your advice?

680
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 3: I would say to you, what your feeling is so normal?

681
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: Every time you push yourself out of your comfort zone,

682
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: whether it's a drastic step or it's something really small,

683
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: you're going to feel that. And what we do a

684
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: lot of the time is we internalize that as this

685
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: phrase imposter syndrome. Right, But if you just think from

686
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: like a primal point of view, our brains are designed

687
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: to keep us safe. Emotions are designed to tell us

688
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: how we feel about certain things. So when we are

689
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: out of our comfort zone, by definition, you're doing something

690
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: that's uncomfortable because it's not familiar to you. You're going

691
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 3: to feel uncomfortable because it's not part of your current

692
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: routine and lifestyle. And so what I had to do

693
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: is the best advice I would give to someone. You

694
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: have to change the narrative on what you make that

695
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 3: mean about yourself. It doesn't mean you're making the wrong decision,

696
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you're not capable or worthy. It just

697
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: means you're pushing yourself. Of course, you're going to feel

698
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,959
Speaker 3: those feelings, like I'm sure without a doubt every time

699
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 3: you do something out of your comfort zone, speaking on

700
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 3: a bigger stage or having a new milestone in your business,

701
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: or trying something new like that, I'm sure will come

702
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 3: up for you. And I think reminding yourself that every

703
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: single person you look up to, like even still today,

704
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: like I've had the podcast for five years, there are

705
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: still moments where I have that feeling. And I think,

706
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: as long as you are growing and striving as a

707
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: person and you're making decisions that are pulling you forward,

708
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 3: you're going to feel that. But you need to change

709
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: the story on what you tell yourself it means about you,

710
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: because it's not going to go away. I just that's

711
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 3: kind of how I've started to think about it, because

712
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: I just find myself over and over again every time

713
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: I push myself, I move overseas, I step out and

714
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: do my own business. I move from Zoom podcast in

715
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: person podcast, I travel into state to do interviews, Like

716
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: every single time, I feel the same feeling, And it's

717
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: just that primal feeling of you're out of your comfort

718
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: zone and I'm like, cool, I'm pushing myself. I'm doing

719
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: something you mind you, It doesn't help. The feeling doesn't

720
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: get any more glamorous.

721
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: No, it's the same feeling.

722
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: You're just changing the story and you're rewirrying yourself on

723
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: what you're telling yourself.

724
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: It means that's so powerful.

725
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: It's really important because the way you think and feel

726
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 3: about yourself, you know, it reflects in exactly everything you

727
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: have around you. Ah, that's so powerful. I love that.

728
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: I would love to know kind of your perspective if

729
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: you feel like motherhood will shift your approach to work,

730
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: and if you first see that evolution looking a certain way,

731
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 2: if you're kind of putting anything in place, like obviously,

732
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: I no, You've put a lot in place, But I'd

733
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: love to know your opinion on that, because you know,

734
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure you have those thoughts and you have ideas,

735
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: and you've interviewed some incredible mothers. So what's that sort

736
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: of figure.

737
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: I think there's a practical side to this, which is

738
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: like what steps have I implemented? And then there's like

739
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: more the emotional mental side. So on the practical side,

740
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 3: what this looks like for me is I've pre recorded

741
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 3: the podcast. Well I'm up till joing July now, but

742
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: I'd like to get to October November because I just

743
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: don't want that stress of you know. And I'm like,

744
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 3: I have missed an episode in five years outside of

745
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: season breaks, and I'm very committed to not you know,

746
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 3: to keeping up. Even though people like totally understand if

747
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: I like need to take time off, I'm just like,

748
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: I want to keep that going. So getting ahead with

749
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 3: that has been important. And then having this shift with

750
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: work where I have more project based clients rather than

751
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: I'm working thirty eight hours a week means I can

752
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 3: wrap things up before and pick them up kind of

753
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 3: when I'm ready to go. That's the practical stuff. They're

754
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 3: necessary on the mental emotional side, and I'm kind of

755
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: approaching labor in the same way. It's not something I've

756
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: been through, and I think I can have this shiny

757
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: plan of how I think is going to go and

758
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 3: all the ways I think it's gonna be, and even

759
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: the way I see motherhood. But I am approaching this

760
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 3: like I do with most things in life, or at

761
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: least going to try to. And I think the best

762
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: skill you can have is that of flexibility. I think

763
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: it's important to have a plan. I mean that that

764
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: makes me feel comfortable. For some people, They're like, no,

765
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 3: I'm just going to go with the flow, like for

766
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: me personally, being a little bit more researched and having

767
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: a baseline understanding of Okay, what are my hospital preferences

768
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: or when I go home go on visitors, like starting

769
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: to think about those things. That's important for me.

770
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: I'm the exact same. But if it doesn't go to

771
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: a planet, it's like I just would like to feel

772
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: somewhat in control before exactly.

773
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: Right, but that needs to really be balanced with just

774
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: when the time comes, like just being with myself and

775
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 3: knowing what I need in the moment. So I know

776
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: that hasn't really directly answered your question. I think that

777
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: becoming a mum will only amplify my life experience. I'm

778
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: very excited to go through it. I don't want to

779
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 3: put too much pressure on like cool, when I get

780
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: the hang of being a I'm just going to go

781
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: back to what I'm doing now because I just physically, no,

782
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be the same, Like things are

783
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: just going to look different. And what if, like I

784
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: don't actually even want to go back to work, Like

785
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: what if I just want to raise my kids and

786
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 3: keep having more and that's it, Like I just want

787
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: to be okay with wherever I'm at, meet myself with

788
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 3: wherever I'm at. So I don't really have too many

789
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: ideas or hopes for like after, I'm just aligning things

790
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: so that I can take time off to be really

791
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: present and then pick things up when I want. I

792
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: guess I'm trying to be really flexible with it because

793
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: I'm and I honestly think my baby's so chill because

794
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: I'm not normally like this. This is so my husband's

795
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: grow a great sign.

796
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: So when's the judate July July eighteenth, so that is can.

797
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 3: Loving sweet vibes.

798
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: My parents are both cancers.

799
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, very sad.

800
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: Both my sisters are too, very loving, very sensitive.

801
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: Because I'm a Leo, so you're Leo too. Yeah, so

802
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 3: I'm normally like planned, structu rigid. But I'm like, look,

803
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 3: how chiller just sounded. I know I sounded chill. Someone's

804
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: probably listening, like, girl, you're not chill.

805
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: My duja is on the cusp of Leo and Virgo.

806
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: But also it's probably a Virgo because I feel so

807
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: I don't feel like a Leo right now, and I'm

808
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: a Leo. I feel so different. I feel so relaxed.

809
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: I feel so chilled. So I definitely believe in that,

810
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 2: like you very much take on the energy of the child.

811
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: Well remember you sharing it and I was like, that's

812
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 3: what made me think about it now. I was like yeah,

813
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 3: because I was like, I've never heard anyone articulated, and

814
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: I was like, that actually makes sense to me because genuinely,

815
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: this feels like the biggest life event I've ever gone

816
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 3: through and I feel really like chill about it.

817
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that's even like with Ivy's pregnancy. With

818
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: my first child, I was like hectic. I took on

819
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: so many work projects. I committed to work projects after

820
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: and again I think that was a bit of naivety

821
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: there with me, just like yeah, and I had so

822
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: much energy and I was I did my first co

823
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 2: lab with Pedal and Pop and I was like huge energy.

824
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: But I felt like I had so much energy, so

825
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 2: much charisma, so much like outgoingness. And it's so funny

826
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: because then I birthed. Ivy didn't feel like that at all,

827
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: had to finish all these projects and that's her personality

828
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: to a tea. Wow, was this pregnancy so chill? Any

829
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: work projects coming up? I'm like absolutely not, like not

830
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: committing to anything. Very so sensitive. I wouldn't say I'm

831
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: a sensitive person. And even like I remember the first

832
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: trimester like with my husband, I know, hormones, but like

833
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: so sensitive and he was even like are you okay?

834
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: Like this is not normal, and I'm like, God, child's

835
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: really sestive.

836
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to circle back in like twelve to

837
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: twenty four months and be like, did we get chillers?

838
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: I know, Well, it's gonna be funny if I get

839
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: another Leocs and I'd be like, joke's on you.

840
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: Well, they say Leo boys are different to Leo girl,

841
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: so you get a Leo. It is a boy that

842
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: could explain it as well.

843
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: Cooper's a Leo boy. Yeah, and he's so different to me,

844
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: like talk and cheese, but a lot of like same

845
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: undercurrents with like drive and ambition, but so chill anyway

846
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: timeshell till Yeah, Well.

847
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 3: We'll keep you updated.

848
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: No. I love that. That's incredible because you really you

849
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: can't plan, but it is good to have some sort

850
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: of like you know, basis. And I think something that

851
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: I would love for you to chat on is I

852
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of people struggle with that identity

853
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: shifting piece. So, like you said, you know, you were

854
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: doing corporate and then you did the in house lawyer.

855
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: You know, you started the podcast, and you have to

856
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: really shift and change your identity. I feel like, from

857
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: what I'm seeing on the outside, you do that quite well,

858
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 2: and it looks like you are able to kind of shift,

859
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: and I kind of I love calling it like shape shifting,

860
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: and I think it's really important as a woman to

861
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: be a shape shifter. But again, I feel like people

862
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: struggle with the identity piece because they go all in

863
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: of like, well, I'm the corporate lawyer and this is

864
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Speaker 2: you know what my life's built on. What would you

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Speaker 2: sort of say to that person, because I can even

866
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Speaker 2: see the way that you're articulating is you're going to

867
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Speaker 2: be so okay if you want to shift into being

868
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: a stay at homer or you know that sort of thing.

869
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Speaker 2: You're not sort of anchored on the identity, which I

870
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Speaker 2: think is a superpower.

871
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Speaker 3: Thank you. Well, It's taken time, and I certainly didn't

872
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: start here, But I think the first place is to

873
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: accept that you're not supposed to be one thing. You're

874
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: really not supposed to be one thing. And I think

875
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 3: when you really peel under that, right. And I actually

876
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 3: remember you saying this on my podcast that one of

877
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Speaker 3: the things you had to unlearn or part with when

878
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: you decided to step away from being a lawyer was

879
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: kind of like the stature or the reputation of what

880
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: it meant to be a lawyer, the way people would

881
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 3: be like, oh my god, like you're a lawyer. Like,

882
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: I get it all the time. And so I think

883
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: a piece of this is not just you being okay

884
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: with not being one thing, but it's also so what

885
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: do you think that makes other people think about you? Right,

886
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: if you're a mum, but also doing these do you

887
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: think that people think that you're less of a mum?

888
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: And I think it's really interesting to reflect on this

889
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: because most of the time those are internal thoughts you

890
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 3: have about yourself. It's actually not what other people think

891
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 3: at all. Right, people looking like, that's so amazing, she's

892
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 3: a mum. She's also got a cooking page, or she's

893
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: also like really into her gym or whatever. Right, But

894
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: these judgments that we fear often the inside out. So

895
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: being okay with not being one thing, paying attention to

896
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 3: any judgments that you're fearing, and just really sitting with

897
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 3: yourself and asking yourself, is that a judgment that I have? Right?

898
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 3: If I saw someone else doing that, would I have

899
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: those thoughts? Because I think then that gives you a

900
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: place to work out. Start journaling on it, start meditating

901
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 3: on it, start working with your therapist, you know, whatever

902
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: your outlet is, Start thinking about why that's a judgment

903
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: you hold. Is it from a young age? Maybe that's

904
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: what your parents said, and you've just like it's the

905
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: same thing you talk about with money, right, no different,

906
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: So work out why you don't think it's okay to

907
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 3: have a multifaceted identity, because once you accept that, like genuinely,

908
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: it's very easy to give your self permission to experience

909
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: different things. And I just see life now as this

910
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: just abundant place to have so many experiences. Like you're

911
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: really cutting yourself off if you box yourself into one thing,

912
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: even if it's something you love, right and you're obsessed with,

913
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you have to have five different, like main

914
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: events in your life, right, Like you could still let

915
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: yourself explore things and try things in a much more

916
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 3: passive way. Like it doesn't have Like I said, you

917
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: don't have to start a hobby that turns into a

918
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: sign hustle. You could just do little things for yourself,

919
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: like I'm going to try this gym class today. You know,

920
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 3: you guys have to listening, you have to make it

921
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: make sense for you. But I would say, I would

922
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 3: say that give yourself permission. But there's a bit of

923
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 3: work that sits under that.

924
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Speaker 2: I love that so much, And I feel like you

925
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: hit the nail on the head of any judgments that

926
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: you think other people are going to give you, or

927
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: like the fear around what you think is going to

928
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: happen has literally nothing to do with anyone else, and

929
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: it's all your fear and it's all your judgments. And

930
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: what's great about that is you can always dissolve them

931
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Speaker 2: alchemize it. So it's really just showing you, Yeah, like

932
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: you said, what you need to work on, and you

933
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: can always shift and change that, so it's like it's

934
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Speaker 2: not actually a problem.

935
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just identifying like your next project. Yeah, you know,

936
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Speaker 3: And if you can have those kinds of thoughts means

937
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 3: you can have different kinds of.

938
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Speaker 2: Thoughts, but it does take work, yeah, and it's like

939
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Speaker 2: but it's also being like so like, thank god, I

940
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: realize that, Yes, thank god, I recognize that. I get

941
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: to work on that. I get to you know, shift

942
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: and dissolve it, because otherwise it would just be sitting

943
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: unconsciously unaware of it, running the.

944
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Speaker 3: Show exactly solo.

945
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to kind of bring it forth.

946
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's really goes the same for you know,

947
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: you mentioned before someone that hasn't made the jump to

948
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Speaker 3: leave a relationship or a job like these things. Even

949
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 3: though we've identified okay, maybe this isn't serving me, I've

950
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: also shifted my perspective on those things and said, actually,

951
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: all those experiences are necessary because when you end up

952
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: having a job you love or relationship you know is

953
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 3: the one, or anything like that, you know that because

954
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: you have a point of reference of other things, you

955
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: know what you don't like. So those things also serve

956
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: a purpose, even though they may not end in the

957
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 3: best way, and you know they may cause you grief

958
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: at the time, it's necessary to push you, you know,

959
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: give you a nudge and like, no, no, this is

960
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: the wrong direction. You got to go this way.

961
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Speaker 2: I love that so much. That's such a good like

962
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Speaker 2: mindset shift, Erica. It has been such a pleasure to

963
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: have you on the Rise and Conquered podcast. Thank you

964
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: so much. Where can everyone go and listen to your podcast?

965
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: Hear about you, follow you all the things.

966
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me on it. You know,

967
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Speaker 3: like you said, we clicked when you came on the show,

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Speaker 3: so it's is a real honor to now be a

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Speaker 3: guest on yours. Oh thanks, And you know Rise and

970
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Speaker 3: Conquers the podcast. I've also been listening to you for

971
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Speaker 3: many years. I love what you've done and watching your evolution.

972
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Speaker 3: Now sitting here talking to you special, so I appreciate you.

973
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Speaker 3: The podcast is basically the Balance Theory podcast on all platforms, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram.

974
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Speaker 3: My personal is Erica with a k DP E l E.

975
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you link it. That's basically where I live online.

976
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Speaker 2: So amazing guys, go say hi and listen to the

977
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Speaker 2: Balance Theory. You've had some incredible guests and you do

978
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: amazing podcasts, so I know my audience would just rough that.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you. Thank you.