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Speaker 1: Con joining me in the studio. He's back the Lord

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Speaker 1: Mayor of Darwin conbat Scarles.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning key. They were the time we complain about

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Speaker 3: the weather's to hot, and today we'll.

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Speaker 2: Go it's lovely.

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Speaker 3: I've enjoying it back in fashion.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're called you need a jumper, otherwise you'll

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Speaker 2: get a cold. That's what I tell my King of jumpers.

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Speaker 3: Since nineteen eighty I keep wearing them now.

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Speaker 1: Corn, firstly, I do want to ask you about We

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Speaker 1: know that the Northern Territory government announced a number of

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Speaker 1: different measures yesterday in an effort to try and curb

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Speaker 1: some of the concerns that we've got around crime and

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Speaker 1: anti social behavior. You and I have spoken about this

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Speaker 1: issue so many times over the course of this year

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Speaker 1: and in previous years, but certainly it's been a real

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Speaker 1: issue this year.

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Speaker 2: Corn. Do you think that these measures go far enough?

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Speaker 3: I have to tell you Katie that a week after

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Speaker 3: she was chosen to be the Chief Minister, Natasa Files

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Speaker 3: wrung me. She told me she knows we've got a

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Speaker 3: problem with crime and she wants to do something about it.

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Speaker 3: So seven July, all the mayors and President in another

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Speaker 3: territory will meet with the chief means to discuss this

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Speaker 3: same issue, which is really really good.

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Speaker 2: So you've got amazing happening.

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Speaker 3: On the other thing is my friend the Lord Mayor

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Speaker 3: of Perth, because the zembulance. He sent me an email

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Speaker 3: the other day bragging to me that the WA Police

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Speaker 3: allocated one hundred and twenty five police officers to patrol

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Speaker 3: the Percy BD because they had the same problem. I

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Speaker 3: don't ask for one hundred and twenty five. Twenty five

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Speaker 3: would be really good to see in the streets. I

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Speaker 3: know the police hierarchy believes in task force, but I

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Speaker 3: give them a hint. A task force that will be

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Speaker 3: very popular is the community policing task force. Police on

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Speaker 3: the streets, you can do anything you like. You can

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Speaker 3: But if the police is around, people think twice before

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Speaker 1: So con by the sounds of it, you feel as

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Speaker 1: though you know, putting in those extra security measures like

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Speaker 1: securing your business a band aid solution, and you're actually

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Speaker 1: calling for additional police.

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Speaker 3: You do that when you try to stop something happening.

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Speaker 3: But if the police on the streets will make sure

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Speaker 3: they will not happening because there would be around, and

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Speaker 3: you don't do stupid things if you know they're going

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Speaker 3: to be twenty or thirty people patrolling the streets of

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Speaker 3: Darwin and they're more likely to catch you. We've seen

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Speaker 3: it before. I've seen my time as a member for Casarina.

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Speaker 3: I've seen my time as a member of the Legislative Assembly.

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Speaker 3: Every time that policemen were on the streets, we didn't

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Speaker 3: have the problems with gangs and everything else. It's simple solution.

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Speaker 1: Con It seems like they're trying to juggle a lot

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Speaker 1: of commitments at the moment, the Northern Territory Police. But

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a big call for the Lord Mayor

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Speaker 3: Well, have you seen policemen in the streets, because I

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Speaker 3: saw the segues for a few times and then they disappeared.

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Speaker 3: I'm calling that one because every resident in down telling

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Speaker 3: but I haven't seen blue for a long long time

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Speaker 3: in the streets I mean, it's a common sense. You

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Speaker 2: I know that.

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Speaker 1: I think i'd seen on Channel nine News last night

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Speaker 1: She had said that we're managing the very valuable resources

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Speaker 2: That's not enough.

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Speaker 3: When I was in Litative Assembly, we had one of

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Speaker 3: Now I've got even more. Those days we had policy

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Speaker 3: we don't have police on the streets. It's a question

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Speaker 3: It is somebody is either deaf or somebody says that

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Speaker 1: So you reckon we need community Do we need a

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Speaker 2: How many police are you talking?

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Speaker 3: Well, I can't tell you because if i've I tell you,

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Speaker 3: I'll probably ask for a lot. But I mean again,

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Speaker 3: we've got four thousand visitors from outside Darwin that they

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Speaker 3: caused mayhem. Well we've got four thousand visitors. Where are

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Speaker 1: Well, contact Scarala see go Obviously the mayor of Darwin

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Speaker 1: When it comes to that community policing unit, con do

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Speaker 3: Well, look when the look we've got a problem. When

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Speaker 3: the hospitality industry asked to improve the BDR, when in

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Speaker 3: the beginning they were totally against it. Obviously themselves know

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Speaker 3: we've got a problem. These are the people they sell alcohol.

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Speaker 3: They know we've got the problem. They ask for improved vida.

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Speaker 3: So you can imagine then how the situation is. Four

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Speaker 1: And the police have confirmed that the large majority of

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Speaker 1: We know that we've got some from morning and it

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Speaker 2: It's obviously had an impact.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the BDR con Do you

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Speaker 3: Talking about it before we talk about the whole measure

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Speaker 3: don't give me the bullshit about privacy. This guy's breaking

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Speaker 3: where I am because it's privacy. No, you break the law.

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Speaker 3: There's no privacy there.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're fired up about it this morning, Coln, and

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Speaker 3: Just convey the feeling of my constittions. It's not my

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Speaker 3: out in the streets now about the roller doors. Oh.

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Speaker 3: The argument is it's been instructed to us by the

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Speaker 3: you have to have all your roofs black. Really in Darwin,

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Speaker 3: because you want to keep your house warm in the window,

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Speaker 3: So we argue about it, Okay, so we can still

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Speaker 1: But it's not problem in Western in other places, well

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Speaker 1: I think that it is definitely time for a rethink

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Go back and think about do we do things right?

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Speaker 3: And that's what I'm doing and probably you heard that.

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Speaker 3: Actually I'm reconvening the tree committee. We're planting a lot

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Speaker 3: To We'll put the right trees. So I'm coinite calling

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Speaker 3: back the committee to heavy look what we've done, to

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Speaker 3: we've done it. Well, can we do it better? If

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Speaker 2: So com when are you reconvening that tree committee?

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Speaker 3: It's already started and we're putting out the same present.

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Speaker 1: I've had a couple of people get in contact with

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Speaker 3: Look, I think it's admirable that people actually take time

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Speaker 3: only problem we've got is where you're going to do

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Speaker 3: want to be in a public place to do an event,

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Speaker 3: you have to apply for a permit today.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no permit at the moment. Yesterday I met

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Speaker 3: another one. Councils support any activity to support homeless. We've

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Speaker 3: got our own outreach program. Two people. Council employees go

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Speaker 3: what to to find services, refer them to services. So

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Speaker 3: we're doing already something. Now.

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Speaker 2: The hind with them is that they just need.

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Speaker 3: We had the Hindu gentleman who was driving his van

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Speaker 3: There was no problem with that one. The proposal is

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Speaker 3: But you have to apply for a permit and fulfill

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Speaker 3: the requirements of a permit. So it's it's it's proper

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Speaker 3: and legal, cover yourself and country has to cover itself

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Speaker 3: to public liability events that might take place. Weddings another

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Speaker 3: I mean, if we're asking the glendee and Indiant middle

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Speaker 3: to actually apply for a permit. I think that's fair

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Speaker 3: enough for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've got to apply for a permit, even if

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Speaker 1: I think I've applied for one before to have a

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Speaker 1: kid's birthday. Just at each point at one of the

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Speaker 1: barbecues there, you know, you do have to apply to

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Speaker 1: have a you know, a permit at those different locations

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Speaker 1: so we can.

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Speaker 3: Clean up the place before you go and clean it afterwards.

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Speaker 3: Necessary the issue of public ability to come to us,

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Speaker 3: because if you do something there don't have your permit,

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Speaker 3: then how you're going to coverage something goes wrong.

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Speaker 2: So the issue is just purely a permit.

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Speaker 3: Exactly what you want to do, apply for a permit,

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Speaker 3: and if the place you suggest it's not suitable for

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Speaker 3: various reasons, we will work with you to find a.

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Speaker 1: Suitable place conjust very quickly because we have just about

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Speaker 1: run out of time. But I know that you did.

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Speaker 1: There was a delegation to Indonesia. It was all about

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Speaker 1: sort of looking at our workforce shortage that we've got

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Speaker 1: able to bring people across.

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Speaker 2: How did it go.

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Speaker 3: We are a sister city with den Pasar, and it

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Speaker 3: they've got workers that don't have tourists, and we have

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Speaker 3: tourists who don't have workers. So we are at a

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Speaker 3: delegation there and the Chamber of Commerce, the hospitality industry,

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Speaker 3: the Agricultural Association, ENTG, the university and the private training

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Speaker 3: providers came with us. It was a very very good delegation.

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Speaker 3: We're welcome with open arms because they need to actually

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Speaker 3: have people employed. We brought with us the person who's

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Speaker 3: responsible for the migration program here in an auitary to government,

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Speaker 3: and yesterday I spoke to Luk Costling and I said

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Speaker 3: to him we did a bit now trying to bring

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Speaker 3: workers to Darwin. The commas do their bit and actually

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Speaker 3: find out what stops workers coming under the current migration

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Speaker 3: provisions make them easier for balley people to come here

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Speaker 3: the way you did for the Pacific Islanders to come

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Speaker 3: to pick up fruits.

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Speaker 2: Well, let us know how it helps. We're very keen

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Speaker 2: to find out.

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Speaker 1: Combat Scalus, Lord Mayor of Darwin, good to speak with

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Speaker 1: you this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for you Tom, good morning, thank you