WEBVTT - WAS DREW THE BIG BROTHER VILLAIN? 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.040 TV Reload the podcast last week, Neyline. 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:05.920 Welcome back to TV Reload. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:08.960 My name's Benjamin Norris, and on this podcast, I go 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.920 behind the scenes with the biggest players in television. Each 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.840 episode you will get a front row seat with content 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:21.160 makers like executive producers, writers, editors, and casting agents, plus 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.760 the talent that we see on our screens. TV Reload 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.200 reloads the shows that you were currently watching and gives 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:31.640 you a better insight at our television industry and streaming 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.880 services today. On the podcast, I have Drew from Big 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.160 Brother twenty twenty two, and this, my friends, is kind 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.040 of weird, as I've just had Tally on the podcast 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:45.440 and now Drew was evicted. Oh dear Drully, as they 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.879 were nicknamed Tully Drew. What are we to do? The 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.920 iconic duo left the Big Brother House in twenty thirteen 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.800 and for some people who don't have phones, Instagram and 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.000 possibly missing even ears and eyes, you would believe that 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.320 they walked off into the sunset and had Instagram babies. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:05.080 Well no, and here lies the magic of returning beloved 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.840 players to a game like Big Brother, because we've got 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.480 to follow up to their story, and while they did 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.480 not end up together, the tension is still there and 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:17.480 it's just as addictive TV as it was in twenty thirteen. 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.679 Drew is now, somehow the bad guy of the piece 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.800 and the lovable hunk has been transformed into a love 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:27.640 rat with a completely different game strategy to what we'd 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.200 seen before. We will talk about the fallout over his 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.080 part in evicting Tully, why he made that problematic deal 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.080 with Joel to get rid of their girlfriends, where he 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.680 stands with those two weex girlfriends now both former housemates. 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.399 I hope you're following, and we will talk about you, 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.760 the trolls and the fans, and what Drew thinks of 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.480 your comments online. However, let's get started with today's guest. 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.400 I'd like to welcome Anthony Drew known as Drew Really, 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:56.640 to TV Reload. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.440 I've always said that I would never go back. 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.720 We've been through a lot together, haven't we. 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.120 Tully served no purpose to my game. 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.120 This year, it's my twenty first birthday. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.680 I got slammed for that conversation that I have with Joel, 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:17.800 and I've. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:22.760 Invited housemaids both new and legendary. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.200 A few of the crusty OG's and like, no, this 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.360 wasn't how it was back in mind? 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:33.720 Will experience be enough to take on the next generation 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:34.680 of housemaids? 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.480 Drew from Big Brother exists from whenever I entered the 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:40.960 house to whenever I exited. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:42.720 This is Big Brother. 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.800 Hi, Drew, how are you? 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:47.000 You know? 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.800 I haven't heard boo from you since the show started, 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.480 actually since the show was recorded. You know, you don't 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.240 have to call me every day. But yeah, it's more 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:57.840 reclusive even for you. 0:02:58.120 --> 0:02:59.919 I mean when I got out of the house, I 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.520 jumped straight back into work and we've got a lot 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:06.239 a lot going on. And I mean even after after 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.200 the last season, when there was lots of social media 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.079 attention and you know, I tried my hand at making 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:12.400 the money and all that sort of thing. It was 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.399 just it's just not my sort of thing. I don't 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:18.040 particularly like social media. I like marketing myself on it. Yeah, 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.960 I'm not. I didn't try and gain anything from going 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.040 on on this recent season, apart from winning. That was 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.520 my that was my one the one thing I wanted 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:27.040 to get out of it. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.840 I'd worried because you know, knowing you as well as 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.840 I do, I worried that you were nervous about Australia 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.400 watching your return to Big Brother for some reason. Am 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:36.280 I onto something there? 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:41.560 Look it it's kind of annoying, Like I've really enjoyed 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.800 the last couple of weeks of watching myself since I 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.400 came back from the main frame. I guess the first 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.640 the first four weeks or so pretty much just shows 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.640 Sam and I or you know, Sam having dramas with 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:58.840 Tim or just anything kind of couple related, which is 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.480 not just not well, that wasn't my whole experience in there. 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:04.280 Well, I was really surprised. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.240 I mean when I heard the people going back, I mean, 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.000 you were easily one of my favorite Big Brother players 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.800 of all time. I mean, that's my personal experience with 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.440 watching you on the twenty thirteen series. But any conversation 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.520 I never had about Big Brother, you'd really shut it 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.440 down and said that you'd never go back if they 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:19.800 did it. 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.239 You know what made you change your mind? 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.680 Yeah? I did. I've always said that I would never 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.560 go back. I guess there's a few things. There's a 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.480 few factors. It was COVID when this film, so it 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.680 was a chance of a holiday. Lisa FARTI was the 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.640 one that called me. She's very persuasive. I loved working 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.880 with her different format as well, so I knew it 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.360 wasn't going to be the same as last time. And 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.120 I guess it is still quite an honor to be 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.240 you know. I think there's two hundred plus housemates that 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.440 have done this before in Australia and I was one 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.040 of seven or eight that got asked back like that. 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.400 That's still a massive honor and something that I didn't 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:57.200 really take lightly. 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:01.320 If for some reason Australia has really invested in you 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.240 and invested in Tully's so to speak, so you know, 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.680 if we want to return to people's storylines or characters 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.359 and find it what they're up to, I mean, you 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.240 and Tully are at the top of the tree as 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:12.400 as far as I'm concerned. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.400 Why people still come up to me and might not 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:18.600 remember where I'm from straight away, but then when their 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.520 mine clicks, the first thing they ask me generally is like, oh, 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.680 you used to be Tully, or you're still with that girl, 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.680 or like it is like we're a package deal. It seems. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.920 I love it. People don't remember me from Big Brother. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.480 They just think I work at their price line or 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.200 you know, they can't we get out. 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.559 Of all to day they got such a commercially appealing base. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.800 Of course, I'm still a celebrity in my own mind, 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.360 as my partner likes to say to me. But when 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.120 they come up to here and they say, did I 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.159 see you at my doctor's waiting room or you know, 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.320 it's very funny. I guess as well. I barely recognized 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:55.200 the Anthony Drew that I know. I know, fans couldn't 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.200 stop talking about how much you'd changed since the twenty 0:05:58.320 --> 0:05:59.160 thirteen series. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.599 You were all the villain of the series. 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.440 Yeah, look, it's there's a lot to compress into three 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.719 episodes a night each week. I saw three episodes a week, 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:11.559 and yeah I did. I did make some really big, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:16.160 like self preserving moves, Like I went against the Ogs 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.960 for a number of reasons. One if I if I 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.760 didn't align myself with the newbies, I was, I was 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:23.880 going home, like, look at how many times I'm up 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.040 for aviction. That wouldn't have gone so long because I 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.280 wouldn't have had the support that I get from the newbies, 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.320 And like, yeah, you would have had the OG chance. No, 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.039 the newbies had it to start with. I needed to 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.400 protect myself. And also, I'll be honest, a lot of 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.160 the new housemates they were fun. They were in there. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.200 It was their first Like their eyes are wide, they're 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.479 like taking it all in. They were so fun to 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.280 be around. And then you've got a few of the 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.640 crusty OG's and be like, no, this wasn't how it 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.680 was back in mind, I was there for a holiday. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.440 I wouldn't have some fun and I would to stir 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.480 the pope like I was. Yeah, I was. I was 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:54.760 there to be naughty. 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:55.920 Well naughty you were. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.680 I mean the first episode that you entered the house, 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.000 you were like right away having this thing with Alisha, 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.320 and I just was like, who is that man? 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.760 Yeah, she's looking at me, she's at the table. I've 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.040 just gotten in, all right, so I've just done however 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.720 long in you know, like the lockdown before you know, 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.400 was they warm me up for the show that you'd 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.360 remember just done that and then got in. I've lived 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.160 three days in that bloody sewer where the lights never 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.320 turned off, the sound of dripping never stopped, it was freezing. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.880 The mattress was like this thin. And I get into 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.320 this house and I've got this person who's never like, 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.240 never done this show before, looking at me like I've 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.280 pissed in her corn flakes. So I was like, I'm 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.880 thirty three now, I'm not the little do ied twenty 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.040 four year old I was back in twenty thirteen. I 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:41.880 was like, what the fuck's your problem? I'm here to 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:47.680 play this as well. Where have they gone saying, we 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.640 mean stealing your stuff's garbage? 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:52.680 What the heck? Man? 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.600 I felt you were a bit upset, like no. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:04.320 Shock, it's so out of the cannon. I've never seen 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.240 that side of you. I remember Tully and you had 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.640 a fight once. I think you're at my house and 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.680 I think Tully said to me, you don't know him, 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.080 he's got a short temper. And I looked at you 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.080 at the time, I mean you were wearing an old 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:17.880 pair of my leather pants at the time that i'd 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:20.000 costume draw. 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.080 I don't know if you remember this, but and I 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.000 just looked at you. I just thought, you know, you 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:26.080 just to me. 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.880 Are so placid and so thoughtful. I don't know, like 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.120 I didn't believe her. But then now I'm seeing this 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.560 other side. I'm like, who is the real Drew or 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.080 the real Anthony Drew? Now I'm starting to call you. 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:38.640 Maybe I'm bittering my old age. 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.000 Ben. We all are, we all are. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:45.800 Did you know that Tully was going to be in there, 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.240 because I imagine you getting asked to be on a 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:49.840 show like this, and you're a smart guy. 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.400 Did you text her? Did you call her? Or did 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.200 you just think if it happens, it happens. 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.720 No. Look, I was I was instructed not to tell 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.560 anyone that I'd got the call, and I honor that. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.720 But you know Tully and I, as you said, I 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.520 harves some intelligence. If I knew that if I'd been asked, 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.600 Tully definitely would have been asked, and I knew she 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.600 would always want to do this again. So yeah, I didn't. 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.280 I didn't know. There was no there was no confirmation, 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.400 but I was surprised not to see her when I 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:20.520 entered the house. 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:22.360 I mean, I love her as a person. 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.120 I think she's great, and I you know, I go 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.600 on a rollercoaster with her with her emotions and how 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.840 she is in the real world, and I feel like 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:29.800 you are a bit the same. 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.120 But you know, Tully seemed to be more loyal to 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:33.000 you than. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:36.760 You reciprocated, and now she is calling you old mate 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.959 in the media, and is so pissed off with you, 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.200 you know, for taking part in sending her home. Is 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.240 she and her right to be pissed off with you 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:44.079 to this extent. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.600 Yeah. Look, I've spoken to Tully even just recently. She's 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.640 not happy that I was there in the first place. 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.600 She said, she give me. She gave me a bit 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.800 of a spray in her podcast, which is fine. She's 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.960 got a little platform to go off, but she wasn't 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.360 happy that I was there. She wanted her short demption 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.200 to be seen in another light than would. She said 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.520 the one mistake she made nine years ago, and I 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.880 fully support that. But she might not have been asked 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.400 if her and I weren't involved nine years ago, she 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:15.760 might not have been asked back like I've got no 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.959 problem sharing my toys with her, like it wouldn't be 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.560 it wouldn't have been the same without her. But I 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.240 don't know what she's talking about this. I just did 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.559 favors for him. I don't know what would She said 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.160 no to a bunch of things that I asked her 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.440 for in the house, and she got her chance. She 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.160 did vote me out. That didn't stick. I was there 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.640 to win and after you say, after you she played 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.560 her hand, she came up and said openly, she said, 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:40.640 one of my goals is to beat you. So what 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.599 do you think that did for me? I wanted to 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:43.520 beat her instantly. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.440 You know, we all do this, and we're all capable 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:46.680 of it. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.200 We kind of rewrite things in our own mind the 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.080 further we get away from an experience, and so we 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.440 then think we can control what had happened, or we 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.360 can tell people that it could have been different, or 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.520 we can lie to ourselves about it. So I think 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.280 in some ways, yes, it's very easy for her to 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.440 dream that you weren't there, or it's very easy for 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.520 her to dream the version of who she needed you 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.240 to be, But you still are your own person, and 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.240 it played out the way that it played out for 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.040 the two of you in the only way that it 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.080 ever was going to, because you've always had a fucking 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.880 complicated backstory any which. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:18.480 Way you look at it. 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.000 And I like the way I conducted myself was in 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.720 the constructs and the confines of game, like I don't 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.000 do'n't know how I behave in real life, And if 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.200 people want to believe that or not, I don't care 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.520 because they're not the people in my life I've got. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.440 I've got mates, Like yeah, it's not you, and like, yeah, 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.520 it's not me. Like I'm trying to win a game 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.280 like personality alone is not going to get you through. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:45.319 I agree with you so wholeheartedly, because you know, I 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.280 got slaughtered for years by being called a bully on 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:49.560 that show, and I. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.800 Was like, yes, I was ruthless. 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.200 I worked out who the strongest players were and I 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.120 disarmed them as fast as I could so that I 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.120 could win two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, which I did. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.360 And then Ye're telling me that I'm an asshole because 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.800 I did everything to undermine people that were going to win. 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:09.280 It's a competition. 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.320 No, No, that's right, Like like I got slammed for that. 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.600 The conversation about that, I have the Joel about take 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.199 care of my dirty business. To my dirty work, I'll 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:19.920 take care of yours. 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.240 I am completely shocked by drew behavior because I really 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.080 thought that he and Sam were going very strong, and 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.000 now makes me question him as a person. I think 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.400 anyone who wants to do the dirty on a girl 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.839 like that, it shows a lot about their character, and 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.160 to me, it shows a huge part of how he's 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:42.040 playing his game now, Like. 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:47.840 That conversation was one conversation in hundreds, like about gameplay 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.800 and undermining and I get it, like he was romantically 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.439 involved with it. It shouldn't like you shouldn't be shouldn't 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.480 be doing that's that's too low, but like what's what's 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.120 the lowest? Like there's there's no rules in there. And 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.760 also Sam met me within the confines of the game, 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.760 and from what I've heard, like in other podcasts, she'd 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.800 seen me in the hotel before she got in there, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.679 she'd spoke. We've seen her speak to Tim about me, 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.280 like she pursued me. It's not like I pursued her 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.840 and then used her and tried to vote her out. 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.040 None of that happened. Like she didn't she didn't know me. 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:19.880 She just came up like you know what I'm trying 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:20.280 to say. 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:21.240 Yeah. 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.720 I think the difficult thing though, is now that Sam's 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:29.199 story is I mean, there's continuous reports that your relationship 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:30.160 with Sam was set up. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.240 You know that there is more to that story. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:36.240 You know, we've heard Josh's version, We've heard Sam's version, 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.800 we've heard housemates versions, and then we're also squashed by 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.960 what the network and what the production company obviously went 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.080 out for the viewers to know. I guess at this 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.160 stage the best thing to do is to live up 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.240 to the contracts that have been put in place, and 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.400 you know, do exactly what they want from it. But look, 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.559 people are going to keep asking you about whether or 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:56.960 not she got her phone number from you at a 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.120 night club, or whether or not she saw you in 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.040 the hotel. 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.400 In the house. She said that when I was working 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.520 at the Saint she asked for a number. I was 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.880 in a relationship at that point, and I like shut 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.360 her down. We laughed about it. 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.080 And do you think she saw you in the hotel room. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.840 I don't know. Like I was, I was the only 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.520 smoker in the house, so I would annoy the chaperones 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.760 many times a day. But I'm so bored over ceare Otte, 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.400 and there's lots of moving moving parts. I don't know. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.440 It would be pretty difficult. But I mean, I never 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.360 met Josh, so I don't know I know where he's 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:28.840 going with that. 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.080 We'll get back into Sam in a second, but just 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.680 to finish off on Tully, you know, I've heard from 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.480 so many people about the fighting that we didn't see 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.560 that there was The housemates inside the house were frustrated 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.240 by this clash that you two had. You know what 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.960 was the main issue. I mean, she's kind of alluded 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:46.520 to the fact that you picked on her the whole 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.560 way through the show. You know, what's your truth to 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:49.200 the situation? 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.520 I mean Tully being a massive EmPATH and kind of 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.120 she's like a feelings police I suppose, which we need 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.560 but we don't always need. And she is just very sensitive. 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.400 But I guess I'm like, maybe she's oversensitive. I'm undersensitive. 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:08.280 She would just pull me up on me being myself 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.000 and kind of try and try and get others like you. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:15.040 She would explain it just constantly trying to make me 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:19.680 look bad or heartless or my gameplay was wrong and 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.600 everyone should be playing more like her in Estelle. I mean, 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.760 at the end of the day, it's clever and then 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.120 it's still gameplay though, and we just we just clashed, 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:31.280 like whether it's outside the house, we've always we've always clashed, Like, 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.360 I don't know, Yeah, I don't know what was extra 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.120 special about it being in the house. 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.440 Well, can I offer you something I've been in a 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:40.520 relationship with Ben as you know for twelve years now. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.760 For people listening to this podcast, I don't know. I'm 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.080 not talking about myself in third person. My partner is 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:51.600 also named Ben, and I have the highest expectation of him, 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:53.440 and we've worked out that he has. 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:54.520 A high expectation of me. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.040 So we are so critical and we have to be 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.640 careful with that because it's so easy to have this 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.800 huge expectation on someone you love and have an idea 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.000 of how they need to behave and we at times 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.000 in our relationship have slipped into being too critical of 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.680 the other person. And that's where the clash comes from. 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.360 And knowing Tully as well as I do her love 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.920 and admiration and friendship that she has with you, she 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.560 puts the amount of pressure on you that she puts 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.080 on herself. And I would never want the amount of 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.920 pressure on me as much as Tully puts on herself. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.520 I mean, I wish I'd had those words to say 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.760 before you, But I mean that is a really good perspective, 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.360 potentially a part truth. But yeah, I mean things did 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.720 settle down after the first couple of weeks, Like we 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.119 had a big, a big chat and like an apology 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:42.480 and it was fine from them. 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.360 But then you went and I think the way that 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.440 she sees it now is that you then I think 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.040 she probably did feel like the relationship had mended, but 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:50.400 then you evicted her. 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.360 I mean, yeah I did, because she she was I mean, 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.760 what do you do in a game of elimination and 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:01.280 you can't know for sure where your allies are and aren't, 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.000 but then someone exposes them saying well, I'm coming for you. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.240 And at that point in the game, she was a 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.520 pretty easy target. She was grating on a lot of 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.040 the newbies, like that's just easy pickings, and you always 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.120 want to be right. Do you watch one of the 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.760 biggest master minds of the game being Tim You watch 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.119 his voting patterns. He always wants to vote with the 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.760 majority as well, because it saves that awkward conversation and 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.719 it shows like it doesn't ruffle too many feathers. I 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.200 wasn't going to put a point on Johnson because we 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.080 were mates there, well, I thought, when we are mates, 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.840 but in the house, I thought we had a stronger alliance. 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.119 Yeah I didn't. I didn't have one with Tully. Tully 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.400 served no purpose to my game. So yeah, I looked 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:41.679 her in the face and I said, I've got you, 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.600 but she wanted me out like this was a a competition, 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:47.639 This was not real life. 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.520 Put that in a card and I think, send that 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:53.200 to this to Australia. I think you probably will think 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:57.280 twice about returning for Big Brother in twenty thirty two 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:58.480 or twenty thirty three. 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:02.359 Imagine I was rubbish at the challenges. Now imagine how. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.240 Forty maybe your social game would be different, you know 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.840 the next time. I don't know, Mate. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:14.159 The relationship between you and Sam to me seemed to 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:18.119