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Speaker 1: services today. On the podcast, I have Drew from Big
Speaker 1: Brother twenty twenty two, and this, my friends, is kind
Speaker 1: of weird, as I've just had Tally on the podcast
Speaker 1: and now Drew was evicted. Oh dear Drully, as they
Speaker 1: were nicknamed Tully Drew. What are we to do? The
Speaker 1: iconic duo left the Big Brother House in twenty thirteen
Speaker 1: and for some people who don't have phones, Instagram and
Speaker 1: possibly missing even ears and eyes, you would believe that
Speaker 1: they walked off into the sunset and had Instagram babies.
Speaker 1: Well no, and here lies the magic of returning beloved
Speaker 1: players to a game like Big Brother, because we've got
Speaker 1: to follow up to their story, and while they did
Speaker 1: not end up together, the tension is still there and
Speaker 1: it's just as addictive TV as it was in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: Drew is now, somehow the bad guy of the piece
Speaker 1: and the lovable hunk has been transformed into a love
Speaker 1: rat with a completely different game strategy to what we'd
Speaker 1: seen before. We will talk about the fallout over his
Speaker 1: part in evicting Tully, why he made that problematic deal
Speaker 1: with Joel to get rid of their girlfriends, where he
Speaker 1: stands with those two weex girlfriends now both former housemates.
Speaker 1: I hope you're following, and we will talk about you,
Speaker 1: the trolls and the fans, and what Drew thinks of
Speaker 1: your comments online. However, let's get started with today's guest.
Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome Anthony Drew known as Drew Really,
Speaker 1: to TV Reload.
Speaker 3: I've always said that I would never go back.
Speaker 4: We've been through a lot together, haven't we.
Speaker 3: Tully served no purpose to my game.
Speaker 4: This year, it's my twenty first birthday.
Speaker 3: I got slammed for that conversation that I have with Joel,
Speaker 3: and I've.
Speaker 4: Invited housemaids both new and legendary.
Speaker 3: A few of the crusty OG's and like, no, this
Speaker 3: wasn't how it was back in mind?
Speaker 4: Will experience be enough to take on the next generation
Speaker 4: of housemaids?
Speaker 3: Drew from Big Brother exists from whenever I entered the
Speaker 3: house to whenever I exited.
Speaker 4: This is Big Brother.
Speaker 1: Hi, Drew, how are you?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I haven't heard boo from you since the show started,
Speaker 1: actually since the show was recorded. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: have to call me every day. But yeah, it's more
Speaker 1: reclusive even for you.
Speaker 3: I mean when I got out of the house, I
Speaker 3: jumped straight back into work and we've got a lot
Speaker 3: a lot going on. And I mean even after after
Speaker 3: the last season, when there was lots of social media
Speaker 3: attention and you know, I tried my hand at making
Speaker 3: the money and all that sort of thing. It was
Speaker 3: just it's just not my sort of thing. I don't
Speaker 3: particularly like social media. I like marketing myself on it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not. I didn't try and gain anything from going
Speaker 3: on on this recent season, apart from winning. That was
Speaker 3: my that was my one the one thing I wanted
Speaker 3: to get out of it.
Speaker 1: I'd worried because you know, knowing you as well as
Speaker 1: I do, I worried that you were nervous about Australia
Speaker 1: watching your return to Big Brother for some reason. Am
Speaker 1: I onto something there?
Speaker 3: Look it it's kind of annoying, Like I've really enjoyed
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks of watching myself since I
Speaker 3: came back from the main frame. I guess the first
Speaker 3: the first four weeks or so pretty much just shows
Speaker 3: Sam and I or you know, Sam having dramas with
Speaker 3: Tim or just anything kind of couple related, which is
Speaker 3: not just not well, that wasn't my whole experience in there.
Speaker 2: Well, I was really surprised.
Speaker 1: I mean when I heard the people going back, I mean,
Speaker 1: you were easily one of my favorite Big Brother players
Speaker 1: of all time. I mean, that's my personal experience with
Speaker 1: watching you on the twenty thirteen series. But any conversation
Speaker 1: I never had about Big Brother, you'd really shut it
Speaker 1: down and said that you'd never go back if they
Speaker 1: did it.
Speaker 2: You know what made you change your mind?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I did. I've always said that I would never
Speaker 3: go back. I guess there's a few things. There's a
Speaker 3: few factors. It was COVID when this film, so it
Speaker 3: was a chance of a holiday. Lisa FARTI was the
Speaker 3: one that called me. She's very persuasive. I loved working
Speaker 3: with her different format as well, so I knew it
Speaker 3: wasn't going to be the same as last time. And
Speaker 3: I guess it is still quite an honor to be
Speaker 3: you know. I think there's two hundred plus housemates that
Speaker 3: have done this before in Australia and I was one
Speaker 3: of seven or eight that got asked back like that.
Speaker 3: That's still a massive honor and something that I didn't
Speaker 3: really take lightly.
Speaker 1: If for some reason Australia has really invested in you
Speaker 1: and invested in Tully's so to speak, so you know,
Speaker 1: if we want to return to people's storylines or characters
Speaker 1: and find it what they're up to, I mean, you
Speaker 1: and Tully are at the top of the tree as
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3: Why people still come up to me and might not
Speaker 3: remember where I'm from straight away, but then when their
Speaker 3: mine clicks, the first thing they ask me generally is like, oh,
Speaker 3: you used to be Tully, or you're still with that girl,
Speaker 3: or like it is like we're a package deal. It seems.
Speaker 2: I love it. People don't remember me from Big Brother.
Speaker 1: They just think I work at their price line or
Speaker 1: you know, they can't we get out.
Speaker 3: Of all to day they got such a commercially appealing base.
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm still a celebrity in my own mind,
Speaker 1: as my partner likes to say to me. But when
Speaker 1: they come up to here and they say, did I
Speaker 1: see you at my doctor's waiting room or you know,
Speaker 1: it's very funny. I guess as well. I barely recognized
Speaker 1: the Anthony Drew that I know. I know, fans couldn't
Speaker 1: stop talking about how much you'd changed since the twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen series.
Speaker 2: You were all the villain of the series.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's there's a lot to compress into three
Speaker 3: episodes a night each week. I saw three episodes a week,
Speaker 3: and yeah I did. I did make some really big,
Speaker 3: like self preserving moves, Like I went against the Ogs
Speaker 3: for a number of reasons. One if I if I
Speaker 3: didn't align myself with the newbies, I was, I was
Speaker 3: going home, like, look at how many times I'm up
Speaker 3: for aviction. That wouldn't have gone so long because I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have had the support that I get from the newbies,
Speaker 3: And like, yeah, you would have had the OG chance. No,
Speaker 3: the newbies had it to start with. I needed to
Speaker 3: protect myself. And also, I'll be honest, a lot of
Speaker 3: the new housemates they were fun. They were in there.
Speaker 3: It was their first Like their eyes are wide, they're
Speaker 3: like taking it all in. They were so fun to
Speaker 3: be around. And then you've got a few of the
Speaker 3: crusty OG's and be like, no, this wasn't how it
Speaker 3: was back in mind, I was there for a holiday.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have some fun and I would to stir
Speaker 3: the pope like I was. Yeah, I was. I was
Speaker 3: there to be naughty.
Speaker 2: Well naughty you were.
Speaker 1: I mean the first episode that you entered the house,
Speaker 1: you were like right away having this thing with Alisha,
Speaker 1: and I just was like, who is that man?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's looking at me, she's at the table. I've
Speaker 3: just gotten in, all right, so I've just done however
Speaker 3: long in you know, like the lockdown before you know,
Speaker 3: was they warm me up for the show that you'd
Speaker 3: remember just done that and then got in. I've lived
Speaker 3: three days in that bloody sewer where the lights never
Speaker 3: turned off, the sound of dripping never stopped, it was freezing.
Speaker 3: The mattress was like this thin. And I get into
Speaker 3: this house and I've got this person who's never like,
Speaker 3: never done this show before, looking at me like I've
Speaker 3: pissed in her corn flakes. So I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: thirty three now, I'm not the little do ied twenty
Speaker 3: four year old I was back in twenty thirteen. I
Speaker 3: was like, what the fuck's your problem? I'm here to
Speaker 3: play this as well. Where have they gone saying, we
Speaker 3: mean stealing your stuff's garbage?
Speaker 1: What the heck? Man?
Speaker 4: I felt you were a bit upset, like no.
Speaker 1: Shock, it's so out of the cannon. I've never seen
Speaker 1: that side of you. I remember Tully and you had
Speaker 1: a fight once. I think you're at my house and
Speaker 1: I think Tully said to me, you don't know him,
Speaker 1: he's got a short temper. And I looked at you
Speaker 1: at the time, I mean you were wearing an old
Speaker 1: pair of my leather pants at the time that i'd
Speaker 1: costume draw.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this, but and I
Speaker 2: just looked at you. I just thought, you know, you
Speaker 2: just to me.
Speaker 1: Are so placid and so thoughtful. I don't know, like
Speaker 1: I didn't believe her. But then now I'm seeing this
Speaker 1: other side. I'm like, who is the real Drew or
Speaker 1: the real Anthony Drew? Now I'm starting to call you.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm bittering my old age.
Speaker 2: Ben. We all are, we all are.
Speaker 1: Did you know that Tully was going to be in there,
Speaker 1: because I imagine you getting asked to be on a
Speaker 1: show like this, and you're a smart guy.
Speaker 2: Did you text her? Did you call her? Or did
Speaker 2: you just think if it happens, it happens.
Speaker 3: No. Look, I was I was instructed not to tell
Speaker 3: anyone that I'd got the call, and I honor that.
Speaker 3: But you know Tully and I, as you said, I
Speaker 3: harves some intelligence. If I knew that if I'd been asked,
Speaker 3: Tully definitely would have been asked, and I knew she
Speaker 3: would always want to do this again. So yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't know. There was no there was no confirmation,
Speaker 3: but I was surprised not to see her when I
Speaker 3: entered the house.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love her as a person.
Speaker 1: I think she's great, and I you know, I go
Speaker 1: on a rollercoaster with her with her emotions and how
Speaker 1: she is in the real world, and I feel like
Speaker 1: you are a bit the same.
Speaker 2: But you know, Tully seemed to be more loyal to
Speaker 2: you than.
Speaker 1: You reciprocated, and now she is calling you old mate
Speaker 1: in the media, and is so pissed off with you,
Speaker 1: you know, for taking part in sending her home. Is
Speaker 1: she and her right to be pissed off with you
Speaker 1: to this extent.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I've spoken to Tully even just recently. She's
Speaker 3: not happy that I was there in the first place.
Speaker 3: She said, she give me. She gave me a bit
Speaker 3: of a spray in her podcast, which is fine. She's
Speaker 3: got a little platform to go off, but she wasn't
Speaker 3: happy that I was there. She wanted her short demption
Speaker 3: to be seen in another light than would. She said
Speaker 3: the one mistake she made nine years ago, and I
Speaker 3: fully support that. But she might not have been asked
Speaker 3: if her and I weren't involved nine years ago, she
Speaker 3: might not have been asked back like I've got no
Speaker 3: problem sharing my toys with her, like it wouldn't be
Speaker 3: it wouldn't have been the same without her. But I
Speaker 3: don't know what she's talking about this. I just did
Speaker 3: favors for him. I don't know what would She said
Speaker 3: no to a bunch of things that I asked her
Speaker 3: for in the house, and she got her chance. She
Speaker 3: did vote me out. That didn't stick. I was there
Speaker 3: to win and after you say, after you she played
Speaker 3: her hand, she came up and said openly, she said,
Speaker 3: one of my goals is to beat you. So what
Speaker 3: do you think that did for me? I wanted to
Speaker 3: beat her instantly.
Speaker 2: You know, we all do this, and we're all capable
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: We kind of rewrite things in our own mind the
Speaker 1: further we get away from an experience, and so we
Speaker 1: then think we can control what had happened, or we
Speaker 1: can tell people that it could have been different, or
Speaker 1: we can lie to ourselves about it. So I think
Speaker 1: in some ways, yes, it's very easy for her to
Speaker 1: dream that you weren't there, or it's very easy for
Speaker 1: her to dream the version of who she needed you
Speaker 1: to be, But you still are your own person, and
Speaker 1: it played out the way that it played out for
Speaker 1: the two of you in the only way that it
Speaker 1: ever was going to, because you've always had a fucking
Speaker 1: complicated backstory any which.
Speaker 2: Way you look at it.
Speaker 3: And I like the way I conducted myself was in
Speaker 3: the constructs and the confines of game, like I don't
Speaker 3: do'n't know how I behave in real life, And if
Speaker 3: people want to believe that or not, I don't care
Speaker 3: because they're not the people in my life I've got.
Speaker 3: I've got mates, Like yeah, it's not you, and like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not me. Like I'm trying to win a game
Speaker 3: like personality alone is not going to get you through.
Speaker 1: I agree with you so wholeheartedly, because you know, I
Speaker 1: got slaughtered for years by being called a bully on
Speaker 1: that show, and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, yes, I was ruthless.
Speaker 1: I worked out who the strongest players were and I
Speaker 1: disarmed them as fast as I could so that I
Speaker 1: could win two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, which I did.
Speaker 1: And then Ye're telling me that I'm an asshole because
Speaker 1: I did everything to undermine people that were going to win.
Speaker 2: It's a competition.
Speaker 3: No, No, that's right, Like like I got slammed for that.
Speaker 3: The conversation about that, I have the Joel about take
Speaker 3: care of my dirty business. To my dirty work, I'll
Speaker 3: take care of yours.
Speaker 5: I am completely shocked by drew behavior because I really
Speaker 5: thought that he and Sam were going very strong, and
Speaker 5: now makes me question him as a person. I think
Speaker 5: anyone who wants to do the dirty on a girl
Speaker 5: like that, it shows a lot about their character, and
Speaker 5: to me, it shows a huge part of how he's
Speaker 5: playing his game now, Like.
Speaker 3: That conversation was one conversation in hundreds, like about gameplay
Speaker 3: and undermining and I get it, like he was romantically
Speaker 3: involved with it. It shouldn't like you shouldn't be shouldn't
Speaker 3: be doing that's that's too low, but like what's what's
Speaker 3: the lowest? Like there's there's no rules in there. And
Speaker 3: also Sam met me within the confines of the game,
Speaker 3: and from what I've heard, like in other podcasts, she'd
Speaker 3: seen me in the hotel before she got in there,
Speaker 3: she'd spoke. We've seen her speak to Tim about me,
Speaker 3: like she pursued me. It's not like I pursued her
Speaker 3: and then used her and tried to vote her out.
Speaker 3: None of that happened. Like she didn't she didn't know me.
Speaker 3: She just came up like you know what I'm trying
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the difficult thing though, is now that Sam's
Speaker 1: story is I mean, there's continuous reports that your relationship
Speaker 1: with Sam was set up.
Speaker 2: You know that there is more to that story.
Speaker 1: You know, we've heard Josh's version, We've heard Sam's version,
Speaker 1: we've heard housemates versions, and then we're also squashed by
Speaker 1: what the network and what the production company obviously went
Speaker 1: out for the viewers to know. I guess at this
Speaker 1: stage the best thing to do is to live up
Speaker 1: to the contracts that have been put in place, and
Speaker 1: you know, do exactly what they want from it. But look,
Speaker 1: people are going to keep asking you about whether or
Speaker 1: not she got her phone number from you at a
Speaker 1: night club, or whether or not she saw you in
Speaker 1: the hotel.
Speaker 3: In the house. She said that when I was working
Speaker 3: at the Saint she asked for a number. I was
Speaker 3: in a relationship at that point, and I like shut
Speaker 3: her down. We laughed about it.
Speaker 2: And do you think she saw you in the hotel room.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Like I was, I was the only
Speaker 3: smoker in the house, so I would annoy the chaperones
Speaker 3: many times a day. But I'm so bored over ceare Otte,
Speaker 3: and there's lots of moving moving parts. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It would be pretty difficult. But I mean, I never
Speaker 3: met Josh, so I don't know I know where he's
Speaker 3: going with that.
Speaker 1: We'll get back into Sam in a second, but just
Speaker 1: to finish off on Tully, you know, I've heard from
Speaker 1: so many people about the fighting that we didn't see
Speaker 1: that there was The housemates inside the house were frustrated
Speaker 1: by this clash that you two had. You know what
Speaker 1: was the main issue. I mean, she's kind of alluded
Speaker 1: to the fact that you picked on her the whole
Speaker 1: way through the show. You know, what's your truth to
Speaker 1: the situation?
Speaker 3: I mean Tully being a massive EmPATH and kind of
Speaker 3: she's like a feelings police I suppose, which we need
Speaker 3: but we don't always need. And she is just very sensitive.
Speaker 3: But I guess I'm like, maybe she's oversensitive. I'm undersensitive.
Speaker 3: She would just pull me up on me being myself
Speaker 3: and kind of try and try and get others like you.
Speaker 3: She would explain it just constantly trying to make me
Speaker 3: look bad or heartless or my gameplay was wrong and
Speaker 3: everyone should be playing more like her in Estelle. I mean,
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, it's clever and then
Speaker 3: it's still gameplay though, and we just we just clashed,
Speaker 3: like whether it's outside the house, we've always we've always clashed, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know what was extra
Speaker 3: special about it being in the house.
Speaker 1: Well, can I offer you something I've been in a
Speaker 1: relationship with Ben as you know for twelve years now.
Speaker 1: For people listening to this podcast, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about myself in third person. My partner is
Speaker 1: also named Ben, and I have the highest expectation of him,
Speaker 1: and we've worked out that he has.
Speaker 2: A high expectation of me.
Speaker 1: So we are so critical and we have to be
Speaker 1: careful with that because it's so easy to have this
Speaker 1: huge expectation on someone you love and have an idea
Speaker 1: of how they need to behave and we at times
Speaker 1: in our relationship have slipped into being too critical of
Speaker 1: the other person. And that's where the clash comes from.
Speaker 1: And knowing Tully as well as I do her love
Speaker 1: and admiration and friendship that she has with you, she
Speaker 1: puts the amount of pressure on you that she puts
Speaker 1: on herself. And I would never want the amount of
Speaker 1: pressure on me as much as Tully puts on herself.
Speaker 3: I mean, I wish I'd had those words to say
Speaker 3: before you, But I mean that is a really good perspective,
Speaker 3: potentially a part truth. But yeah, I mean things did
Speaker 3: settle down after the first couple of weeks, Like we
Speaker 3: had a big, a big chat and like an apology
Speaker 3: and it was fine from them.
Speaker 1: But then you went and I think the way that
Speaker 1: she sees it now is that you then I think
Speaker 1: she probably did feel like the relationship had mended, but
Speaker 1: then you evicted her.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah I did, because she she was I mean,
Speaker 3: what do you do in a game of elimination and
Speaker 3: you can't know for sure where your allies are and aren't,
Speaker 3: but then someone exposes them saying well, I'm coming for you.
Speaker 3: And at that point in the game, she was a
Speaker 3: pretty easy target. She was grating on a lot of
Speaker 3: the newbies, like that's just easy pickings, and you always
Speaker 3: want to be right. Do you watch one of the
Speaker 3: biggest master minds of the game being Tim You watch
Speaker 3: his voting patterns. He always wants to vote with the
Speaker 3: majority as well, because it saves that awkward conversation and
Speaker 3: it shows like it doesn't ruffle too many feathers. I
Speaker 3: wasn't going to put a point on Johnson because we
Speaker 3: were mates there, well, I thought, when we are mates,
Speaker 3: but in the house, I thought we had a stronger alliance.
Speaker 3: Yeah I didn't. I didn't have one with Tully. Tully
Speaker 3: served no purpose to my game. So yeah, I looked
Speaker 3: her in the face and I said, I've got you,
Speaker 3: but she wanted me out like this was a a competition,
Speaker 3: This was not real life.
Speaker 1: Put that in a card and I think, send that
Speaker 1: to this to Australia. I think you probably will think
Speaker 1: twice about returning for Big Brother in twenty thirty two
Speaker 1: or twenty thirty three.
Speaker 3: Imagine I was rubbish at the challenges. Now imagine how.
Speaker 2: Forty maybe your social game would be different, you know
Speaker 2: the next time. I don't know, Mate.
Speaker 1: The relationship between you and Sam to me seemed to
Speaker 1: be very one sided. I have some background knowledge of
Speaker 1: seeing you in I've met you with different people, and
Speaker 1: I did not see the spark that I've seen in
Speaker 1: your eyes with Sam. I really didn't. When did you
Speaker 1: honestly start looking for the door? Because I think you
Speaker 1: genuinely liked her at the start, but then as it
Speaker 1: went on to me, it seemed like it was a
Speaker 1: bit one sided.
Speaker 2: Or maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at the start, like Sam, Sam is a
Speaker 3: very calming person, and I think just getting into the
Speaker 3: house straight away, there was your eyes on. I think
Speaker 3: people thought I was going to be a challenge base
Speaker 3: and they were mistaken. But yeah, there were people gunning
Speaker 3: for me, and it was it was very frustrating to
Speaker 3: come into a very different format, like I just wasn't
Speaker 3: ready always on the kind of the defensive, so she was.
Speaker 3: She was really good, calming sort of person. And then
Speaker 3: it just you know, we get talking again. That's all
Speaker 3: you can do in there, and you know, you see
Speaker 3: you've got mutual friends, or you've got mutual interests or
Speaker 3: you know, same sense of humor at times, and then
Speaker 3: it kind of just kind of just grows from there.
Speaker 3: It's in a fake reality, like my feelings weren't bake,
Speaker 3: but you have no real life problems.
Speaker 1: Conversion of friendship from Big Brother to reality is also
Speaker 1: very interesting for people to understand because you know that
Speaker 1: environment does change the way in which you interact with
Speaker 1: people in a normal life. And some people I loved
Speaker 1: in my Big Brother experience that I don't really see anymore.
Speaker 1: And it's not because I dis like them. I still
Speaker 1: love them and would have them over for dinner. But
Speaker 1: you know, the conversion should.
Speaker 3: Say you should see the group chat now, oh my god,
Speaker 3: people that have left the chat. There's it all like
Speaker 3: side chats going on. There's people that you like see
Speaker 3: in the house like friends, and they are not friends.
Speaker 1: Now I've been reading between the lines, and I also
Speaker 1: have to inform you because unfortunately or fortunately for you,
Speaker 1: I know that you aren't sitting there googling yourself or
Speaker 1: reading all the comments online.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been on behind Big Brother?
Speaker 1: So no, Well Tarrass has joined that now and it's
Speaker 1: almost like there's a competition going on with Taras and
Speaker 1: Tally and Estelle on there. It's like that, it's like
Speaker 1: a Hunger Games on popularity contest.
Speaker 3: Are they competing against each other?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they want everyone on the website to side with them.
Speaker 3: See that is such a time consuming and like mindless
Speaker 3: activity that I do not have time for. Drew from
Speaker 3: Big Brother exists from whenever I entered the house to
Speaker 3: whenever I exited, my personal gain, my personal life, everything,
Speaker 3: all those sort of details. That sort of bullshit is
Speaker 3: not included with Drew from Big Brother. Like I am,
Speaker 3: I have no interest in any of that. And it's
Speaker 3: so it's so toxic, it's poisonous and you can spiral
Speaker 3: out of control. I've read some horrible comments about me.
Speaker 3: It's really weird. I either get in my dms on Instagram.
Speaker 3: I either get I want to fuck you or you're
Speaker 3: a prick. But that's pretty much. It's very polarizing.
Speaker 2: That's the appeal though.
Speaker 3: But just like I've caught myself, especially early on this season,
Speaker 3: I could say die down a lot, I think because
Speaker 3: people get over picking on the mean ones or the
Speaker 3: villains or whatever you want to be called, because it's entertaining.
Speaker 3: Like if there was no pot stirring in there, fuck me,
Speaker 3: it'd be a boring show, Like there'd be nothing going on.
Speaker 3: Like if everyone's just getting along and then it's just
Speaker 3: like challenge, they'd all be crying when it comes to
Speaker 3: the stretch, the strat chats and the evictions and the nominations,
Speaker 3: like it just be fucking yeah.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I've spiraled one or two nights reading those comments, and
Speaker 3: they are so damaging and like it exists back in
Speaker 3: the day when those newspapers, someone would write a trash
Speaker 3: piece about someone, you'd discuss it with your friends. Now
Speaker 3: you can discuss it with the whole world, and you
Speaker 3: get to see those conversations that would never meant for
Speaker 3: your ears. So I don't care if I get trashed.
Speaker 3: It's great not to read about it, though. I think
Speaker 3: that's very scary.
Speaker 1: Well, I had a tipping point, and you were around
Speaker 1: at the time. For my tipping point was that I
Speaker 1: used to read the comments. I used to take them
Speaker 1: really seriously. And then one night I drank some cooking
Speaker 1: wine because there was no warre wine left at home,
Speaker 1: and I was very out of control drunk. I think
Speaker 1: you're starting to remember where this goes. And I harassed
Speaker 1: him at the logis on the red carpet and with
Speaker 1: bad spelling, bad grammar, and a bad attitude. And let
Speaker 1: me tell you, I got days months and they still
Speaker 1: talk about it today, about.
Speaker 2: The horrible things that I said.
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is I was talking to him
Speaker 1: the other day and I finally get to apologize and
Speaker 1: he's a good bloke. But I never met him before
Speaker 1: and just got drunk and harassed him at the logies.
Speaker 3: Oh good story. Though it's not like you just like
Speaker 3: parked up at the part and just gave him an evel.
Speaker 3: You had just got trashed on cooking wine.
Speaker 1: I was Ben woke up and you know my partner Ben,
Speaker 1: and Ben woke up and I had the phone across
Speaker 1: the dining room table from me, and I was so
Speaker 1: I was like a good two meters away from it,
Speaker 1: and I looked so stressed with the cooking wine, red
Speaker 1: lips from the red wine, and he just looked at
Speaker 1: me and said, what have you done, because like the
Speaker 1: face was And he then was frantically deleting the tweets
Speaker 1: because he was reading it. He goes, you wrote what,
Speaker 1: he goes, This one doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 2: Delete, delete, delete. But by that stage they'd.
Speaker 1: Screen grabbed it and put it in the press and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, and it's still there.
Speaker 2: People can google it. So this ends up in the podcast.
Speaker 1: If it's left in the edit, feel free to google
Speaker 1: some horrendous behavior from myself. But yes, I think it's
Speaker 1: important not to read the comments. I think it's important
Speaker 1: not to live and die by what other people say
Speaker 1: about you. I think it's important to stay connected to
Speaker 1: the truth of who we are. And that might sound
Speaker 1: a bit oprah, a bit wanky, but it's a survival
Speaker 1: tactic that you need if you're going to be on television.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is, and it's like you've got to really
Speaker 3: even My tactic, essentially, as you've seen, is staying off
Speaker 3: social media because that's not where my life, that's not
Speaker 3: where my life exists, and it's not that I'm too
Speaker 3: busy or anything, say I don't like I panic, like
Speaker 3: I don't know what photo to take and what caption
Speaker 3: to put, Like it's all a bit like I've even
Speaker 3: I've copped it in relationships before, like you don't post
Speaker 3: us on social media enough, And it's just not not
Speaker 3: because I don't love my partner. It's always been like
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do it and I don't
Speaker 3: like I don't like it being everyone's business. And that
Speaker 3: was like the unfortunate thing. Obviously. You might have seen
Speaker 3: my partner now posted a video of me popping a
Speaker 3: bottle of champagne when him got a victim, and that
Speaker 3: got leaked to another media outlet, and my my girlfriend
Speaker 3: was mortified, and you know, people made really horrible comments
Speaker 3: to her, which I get because it's easy to assume
Speaker 3: that there's just celebrating that Sam's going. We weren't celebrating that.
Speaker 3: I met my partner between filming ending and film starting,
Speaker 3: and I was up front at the start saying, look,
Speaker 3: I did this thing and I was with someone in
Speaker 3: there that's not on anymore, but it will be shown.
Speaker 3: And she's like, yeah, it's okay because as the episode's
Speaker 3: dragged on, it was really more graphic than I thought
Speaker 3: it was going to be shown. So when I popped
Speaker 3: the Battle of Champagne, like, we were having really hard
Speaker 3: weeks just because visually, even though it was over before
Speaker 3: I met theca it was it was hard for her
Speaker 3: to watch that. So we were celebrating that she didn't
Speaker 3: have to watch that anymore.
Speaker 1: Can I just say, like, to be anchoring to yourself
Speaker 1: and to you and your relationship.
Speaker 2: You know you would want to celebrate that. I mean,
Speaker 2: it is a bit of a hurdle that you've had
Speaker 2: to jump.
Speaker 1: You know, no one in normal life gets to go
Speaker 1: back and watch Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind basically
Speaker 1: on a previous relationship.
Speaker 3: It's it's not normal, like you know, a normal yeah,
Speaker 3: normal regulated person understands and accepts that someone most likely
Speaker 3: has xcellence. But yeah, you don't. You don't get to
Speaker 3: watch it, and you shouldn't. You shouldn't ever have to
Speaker 3: or need to. Like, there's there's no there's no positives,
Speaker 3: trust me, there's no positives that comes from that.
Speaker 1: You know how that at the moment we're fascinated with
Speaker 1: this multiple realities, like there's all these the spider Verse
Speaker 1: or whatever. What reality TV does to everyone is this
Speaker 1: is the truth. You pop your champagne with the truth
Speaker 1: behind it that you were celebrating a hurdle that you
Speaker 1: wanted to jump and now you're over it. And that's
Speaker 1: fair enough. But the multiverse has told us that you're
Speaker 1: a savage who has huge animosity with Sam and that
Speaker 1: you hate each other, and then you're an asshole.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a more exciting headline. It's a more
Speaker 3: exciting story, and I get that, Like I've clicked on
Speaker 3: those stories and I've gone what an asshole? Like them?
Speaker 3: Like mass I'm following mass hard, like I love all
Speaker 3: the drama post show that like that is it's the best,
Speaker 3: like just trash food for your brain. But yeah, it's
Speaker 3: not true.
Speaker 2: It's not the reality.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so funny when you say this, though,
Speaker 1: But it's so funny that what you said before makes
Speaker 1: sense to me that previously you don't put up posts
Speaker 1: about celebrating your relationship, you know, with the lovey dovey stuff,
Speaker 1: But then we got to see a post of you.
Speaker 2: Celebrating the death of a relationship. You know, it probably didn't.
Speaker 2: It probably just didn't land the best.
Speaker 3: Oh and get it doesn't let it was, but you
Speaker 3: know it wasn't supposed to land publicly. That was just
Speaker 3: supposed to be to becas close friends and obviously you
Speaker 3: don't know who, but someone's not so close. And look,
Speaker 3: that's that's just that's life. I guess, like we got
Speaker 3: over it. We laugh about it now. I got her
Speaker 3: some flowers to celebrate our first trash article, hopefully the last.
Speaker 3: We made a joke out of it, like it's not
Speaker 3: going to stop us.
Speaker 1: But talking about those maps, people, how do you feel
Speaker 1: about your next career on OnlyFans? Are you going to
Speaker 1: follow them down that path?
Speaker 3: Jeez? You know what I thought about it, Like late
Speaker 3: one night at work after we knocked off, we were
Speaker 3: we thought about just starting one up, having no content
Speaker 3: and there's just driving hype and take in like I
Speaker 3: don't know, even if you've got thirty subscribers, tim bucks each,
Speaker 3: you've got you know your back. No, Look, I've decided
Speaker 3: to stay on the straight and narrow.
Speaker 1: Well, your parents are still a live thankfully, so they
Speaker 1: don't need to know about that.
Speaker 2: I'll be pare.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said I'd always I'd never want to embarrass them,
Speaker 3: and I've come really close, so I don't want to
Speaker 3: push the envelope.
Speaker 2: Moving away from that.
Speaker 1: You know, we saw less genuine friendship with Tim this
Speaker 1: time around compared to twenty thirteen. How would you say
Speaker 1: your relationship has changed with Tim Dormer over the last
Speaker 1: nine years.
Speaker 3: Look, Tim and I have on and off messaged, like
Speaker 3: you stayed at my house, you know, years ago when
Speaker 3: he came down to Melbourne. But it's like those friendships
Speaker 3: that you don't that you don't check in on, and
Speaker 3: you kind of sometimes you think they're gone, and sometimes
Speaker 3: you think they're not, and then you know, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, one day, I'm sitting in the sewer and
Speaker 3: Tim Dormer crawls through a pipe and you know, the
Speaker 3: elation that I felt and the excitement to see him,
Speaker 3: especially under the circumstances, was like no time had passed.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, we we kind of got our heads
Speaker 3: around the strategic element of the game and any any
Speaker 3: strong friendships. Like Sam and I got labeled a power couple,
Speaker 3: and I don't think we voted the same way at
Speaker 3: all in nominations or anything like that. But that's how
Speaker 3: couples were viewed like to like close friendships like David
Speaker 3: Reggie or myself and Sam or the J Crew, whatever
Speaker 3: you want to any stronger than just a surface level
Speaker 3: friendship was labeled as a threat. So Tim and I
Speaker 3: had a conversation early on about you know, not spending
Speaker 3: so much time together, and that kind of it kind
Speaker 3: of manifested into us not working together either because we
Speaker 3: put we accidentally let it get away from us. I
Speaker 3: think I think it just looks like the house is
Speaker 3: so much bigger on TV than it is. It's bloody tiny,
Speaker 3: Like there's no there's no avoiding. You're always hanging out
Speaker 3: with everyone. So we did hang out, but there was
Speaker 3: no there was no tricks or pranks because again, if
Speaker 3: you if you bend someone's nose out of shape, you
Speaker 3: just put yourself in the firing line. There doesn't have
Speaker 3: you don't have that freedom to be naughty because the
Speaker 3: public aren't going to save you. It's just it just
Speaker 3: becomes a good excuse. Ses there's an easy excuse for
Speaker 3: the weak ones in there. Oh yeah, he did that.
Speaker 3: I'll use that as my excuse. So people latch onto
Speaker 3: these easy excuses not to put themselves at risk of
Speaker 3: ending up on those purple chairs.
Speaker 1: You know, in some ways you and Tim could have
Speaker 1: been a power couple, and at some point of the game,
Speaker 1: I guess that was probably more accurate than you and
Speaker 1: Sam voting the same way.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. Yeah, well, we did stretch
Speaker 3: out quite a lot.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: What's really funny, though, is the way that you interacted
Speaker 1: with a Stell. Actually, and when I just want to
Speaker 1: clarify this because I'm gonna get in so much trouble.
Speaker 1: But I don't mean funny as in like in making
Speaker 1: fun of someone and laughing at their expense. I mean,
Speaker 1: funny is in strange. But the way you interacted with
Speaker 1: a Stell was really triggering for me, as I felt
Speaker 1: like I was watching my season all over again because
Speaker 1: you seem to represent the frustration with her that the
Speaker 1: housemates in our season had. But you know, so much
Speaker 1: time has gone and I've let that go and I
Speaker 1: don't have any problems with the Stelle anymore.
Speaker 2: I talked to her, I saw it at the logis
Speaker 2: we had a laugh. But what bothered you so much
Speaker 2: about her in the house.
Speaker 3: Look, Stell and I knew each other. I met I
Speaker 3: met Stelle after my season in twenty thirteen. Yeah, we'd
Speaker 3: hung out a few times, but in the house just this,
Speaker 3: as soon as I voted, not even against the OG's,
Speaker 3: just not in use with them for the head of house,
Speaker 3: I was, I was labeled like this betrayal and I
Speaker 3: constantly got pulled up for being inconsiderate or we have
Speaker 3: very different senses of humor. Yeah, just a current constant
Speaker 3: moral policing and you know, judging me and other housemates
Speaker 3: for the way we're playing the game, like if I'm
Speaker 3: if I'm a headplayer, I'm a very logical, I'm a realist,
Speaker 3: Like I'm like I'm not woo woo, all of these
Speaker 3: words like I am very black and white, very dry,
Speaker 3: And if that doesn't align with a Stelle, then it
Speaker 3: was outwardly and publicly labeled as you know, being a
Speaker 3: bad person, be a bad player. So yeah, yess, I
Speaker 3: do feel for you and your season because it was
Speaker 3: it was constantly brought up in the house about how
Speaker 3: she was treated and that sort of thing. But I think,
Speaker 3: like that could be true. But I think at the
Speaker 3: same time, like just because you're the empathetic one doesn't
Speaker 3: mean you correct.
Speaker 1: Well you've met Michael Beveridge and Josh More, and like Michael,
Speaker 1: Josh Stacey and Layla, we all just got along, like
Speaker 1: really we clicked, and we all just were quite similar
Speaker 1: in our humor and what made us laugh, and you know,
Speaker 1: what we thought was embarrassing or what we thought was weird.
Speaker 2: You know, we're all very similar.
Speaker 1: So it's really hard for us that if she was
Speaker 1: pretending to ride an imaginary horse, or talking as in
Speaker 1: a with an American accent for half the day, or
Speaker 1: doing really strange things that that we didn't.
Speaker 3: All look, I couldn't have handled it.
Speaker 1: We were like And also I've said this to Estelle,
Speaker 1: and I feel really bad about it.
Speaker 2: I was thirty two, but I was and you.
Speaker 1: Know me, I'm immature, Like I'm an immature person at
Speaker 1: the best of times, but I just was.
Speaker 2: I got the line's share of the edit. Everyone was
Speaker 2: as bad as I was.
Speaker 1: I can honestly say about the treatment of her and
Speaker 1: about the way we reacted with her, we were all horrible.
Speaker 2: But I've apologized to her.
Speaker 1: Because she was only twenty three, and because she was
Speaker 1: the odd one out, we probably shouldn't have been so
Speaker 1: non inclusive or.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel bad ownership over it is that, Yes, she
Speaker 1: was treated not like everybody else, but everyone was kind
Speaker 1: of allergic to her and it was really hard to
Speaker 1: connect with her every day.
Speaker 3: I think we're both very true agree because there's there's
Speaker 3: multiple times that we tried to co parley and it's
Speaker 3: it's it's it was only on little things like you
Speaker 3: watch us in the in the last challenge that I do,
Speaker 3: except the second last challenge where where we've got the
Speaker 3: balls on the little planks with the pulleys, were we
Speaker 3: were fine and you watch like she she sides with
Speaker 3: me like it's just real life things that we kind
Speaker 3: of that we would never talk about usually never have
Speaker 3: to mix on when we've got to mix in there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: not everyone gets along like you. You show me a
Speaker 3: sharehouse that has no disagreements like that don't exist.
Speaker 1: I think the dynamics of putting people together in any situation,
Speaker 1: conflict and I don't know, struggle happens.
Speaker 2: And that's why they make this show. That's what Big
Speaker 2: Brother is exactly.
Speaker 6: If everyone got along, my god, I wouldn't have even
Speaker 6: watch myself if yeah, if i'd if I'd seen myself
Speaker 6: accepting that I don't.
Speaker 3: Usually accept and just watch myself just be a watered down,
Speaker 3: numb version. I'd be so disappointed in how I'd played
Speaker 3: because I watch, I watch real moments of people, you know,
Speaker 3: even Terrass. Now he's starting to get a little bit
Speaker 3: more screen time in the dining room, like watch him,
Speaker 3: like he watched his plan start to unfold. And that's
Speaker 3: that's what's exciting to me into a lot of people,
Speaker 3: like it's the excitement like every good movie, every good
Speaker 3: TV series, every good book has a villain and has
Speaker 3: ups and downs. It doesn't just start up here and
Speaker 3: then just if you can't see me, I'm holding my
Speaker 3: hand in my head, start up and then just going
Speaker 3: across in a linear fashion like there is. There's peaks
Speaker 3: and troughs, and that's what that's what sparks and pulls
Speaker 3: on your emotions and makes it worth watching. If Still
Speaker 3: and I just we're like the two best friends, and
Speaker 3: every and everyone was like, what are you watching?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Also, I think that she gets cast in shows like
Speaker 1: this because she's an antagonist. You know, she's placed there
Speaker 1: on purpose to challenge people, because that's who she is
Speaker 1: in her real life.
Speaker 3: And you watch me like, I buy it quick nearly
Speaker 3: every time. It doesn't matter who it is that is,
Speaker 3: that is me. I'm easily. I'm a very placid person.
Speaker 3: But yeah, if you know how to push like, you'll
Speaker 3: get me in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1: Before we go, I've got to ask you these top
Speaker 1: ten fireball questions. But I guess that before I do that,
Speaker 1: I just I didn't plan to ask you this. But
Speaker 1: which season did you end up enjoying more? Did you
Speaker 1: enjoy your twenty thirteen series or the twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Two I'd have to say twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: Was it because your hair was better back then?
Speaker 1: Fuck?
Speaker 3: It was, wasn't it?
Speaker 1: You know when we started this and we were talking
Speaker 1: about my hair because I've grown my hair, and I
Speaker 1: said to you that you're my hair inspiration. I'm actually
Speaker 1: not joking, but twenty thirteen Drew hair is my inspiration.
Speaker 2: So this is awkward.
Speaker 3: I'm so bad. Starts with a big bowl cut for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it grew into success. It was so good.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I grew into it. I grow into it.
Speaker 1: And do you know I'm really good friends with David Graham
Speaker 1: Farmer Dave to everyone that's listening, Oh yeah, And I
Speaker 1: and he's got the really long hair as well, and
Speaker 1: I just want to cut it to the length that
Speaker 1: was when his.
Speaker 3: Hair is blushious. He's like closest thing I've got to
Speaker 3: Brad Pitt a gorgeous human.
Speaker 2: Yeah he is. He looks to me.
Speaker 1: He is a cross between and he's going to hate
Speaker 1: me for this across between brad Pant and the Lion
Speaker 1: from the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he needs to keep the beard though. When he
Speaker 3: loses the bed, he kind of like he loses five
Speaker 3: percent of his authority. There's a lot held in that bed.
Speaker 2: A gorgeous, gorgeous man.
Speaker 1: Now, to celebrate twenty one years of Big Brother, I
Speaker 1: have these Gretel Colleen questions from back in the day.
Speaker 1: You would have been twelve, I think when Big Brother
Speaker 1: was on TV. But here we go, Ready for the
Speaker 1: rapid fire questions. Ready, what did you miss the most
Speaker 1: while you're inside the Big Brother House?
Speaker 3: My bed?
Speaker 2: Who was your favorite person inside the house?
Speaker 3: Between Gabby and Johnson?
Speaker 2: We'll pick one. There's only you can only pick one.
Speaker 3: Gabby's gonna hate me.
Speaker 2: Johnson, well, you're gonna hate this. Who was your least
Speaker 2: favorite person?
Speaker 3: My least favorite in the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not in real not in real world, not.
Speaker 3: In real life. This is not real life. Least favorite
Speaker 3: person in the house.
Speaker 2: Was Lara, who had the most annoying habit.
Speaker 3: Tully was still had the most annoying habit, and that
Speaker 3: was trying to guess and trying to ruin the surprise
Speaker 3: of what was coming up. What when Brie brother was
Speaker 3: going to announce something.
Speaker 1: Who was the funniest person in the house, Johnson, who
Speaker 1: was the laziest person in the house. What was your
Speaker 1: greatest regret?
Speaker 3: Not not building personal relationships earlier? Because yeah, I should
Speaker 3: have should have understood the structure of the game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: not making friends quicker.
Speaker 1: Who do you think will be out next? Not what
Speaker 1: you know, but like, who did you think would be
Speaker 1: eliminated next?
Speaker 3: I think Gabby because she was kind of on board
Speaker 3: with me, So I was kind of kind of like
Speaker 3: tying yourself to the Titanic.
Speaker 2: Which, as we know, not for Reggie in the reference
Speaker 2: that she remembered Titanic because that was hilarious. I've forgotten
Speaker 2: that till I saw that Titanic sunk. Reggie.
Speaker 1: Anyway, who do you think is going to win Big
Speaker 1: Brother twenty twenty two Reggie Okay. Something that asked every
Speaker 1: single person who joins the podcast, what is something from
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, something of a secret of you know,
Speaker 1: the making of Big Brother, something that we as an
Speaker 1: audience didn't see that we would love to know. What's
Speaker 1: an interesting behind the scenes secret that we might appreciate.
Speaker 3: They chop up conversations. They might take a single word
Speaker 3: from a sentence and do that multiple times to make
Speaker 3: an entirely fabricated sentence. I've seen it with my face.
Speaker 3: I'll be talking to someone with my back to camera
Speaker 3: and you can hear it as if it's typed in
Speaker 3: my lower case and upper case. I want to evict.
Speaker 1: If you can't see it their faces while they're talking,
Speaker 1: they're not saying it the way you think they are.
Speaker 1: Which I said this to Tully, and I'll say this
Speaker 1: to you if in my mind, and I'm sure you
Speaker 1: would understand this. I've been dreaming of an all stars
Speaker 1: of people going back into that show for a very
Speaker 1: long time, and at the top of my list was
Speaker 1: the excitement of seeing you back in the show and
Speaker 1: seeing you do it all again. And whilst I was
Speaker 1: disappointed not to be asked to come and do the show.
Speaker 1: I took comfort in the people that I really was
Speaker 1: happy to see on the show, and you were one
Speaker 1: of them. And I think you were fantastic, even though
Speaker 1: you were a little bit different.
Speaker 3: Than the person. I think we would have had fun.
Speaker 3: I wish you were in it, to be honest,