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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was, and what a

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Speaker 1: this morning. We've got Josh Bergine for the COLP. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Josh.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie. Good morning to the Central Australians listening in.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio. We've got Matt

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Speaker 3: And we've got the birthday boy, Joel Madden. Happy birthday

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Speaker 3: to you.

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Speaker 4: Good morning Katie, and what a week it has been and.

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Speaker 3: What a way to finish it off, finishing.

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Speaker 5: Off here with you on my birthday, and then I

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Speaker 5: think I've got a full book of meetings today and

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Speaker 5: then hopefully I can get home for a birthday dinner.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for joining us this morning. And as

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Speaker 1: I said, it's been a massive week. We were due

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Speaker 1: to have Robin Lamley on the show. Unfortunately she's unwell,

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Speaker 1: but I know she'll be disappointed she's missed out this morning.

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Speaker 1: But look to kick things off, we know that Keith

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Speaker 1: kiranoa aged twenty, was yesterday found guilty of murdering bottle

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Speaker 1: shop employee dk Declan Lavity following an eight day trial

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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory Supreme Court. Kieranoa was charged with

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Speaker 1: murder after he stabbed mister Lavity to death inside the

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Speaker 1: Airport Tavern BWS in Darwin's Northern Suburbs in March last year.

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Speaker 1: Twenty witnesses, including police, forensic experts, eyewitnesses to the crime,

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Speaker 1: with multiple CCTV clips showing the stabbing unfolding also played

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Speaker 1: screams and outcry from Kieranoa's family, while mister Lavety's mother

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Speaker 1: where he will be given a life sentence, as I

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Speaker 1: understand it, a mandatory.

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Speaker 3: Twenty years non parole.

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Speaker 1: Defense lawyer John Tippett questioning mandatory sentencing outside of the

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Speaker 1: court yesterday. Look, I know that this is the case.

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Speaker 1: It's really caught the whole of the Northern Territory's attention.

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Speaker 1: The situation when it unfolded last year is something that.

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Speaker 3: People felt really very up about. To say, the least.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, it was a terrible situation. It happened on a Sunday.

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Speaker 5: I've got a call Sunday afternoon about the situation. Obviously

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Speaker 4: To play out through the court, but it's just awful.

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Speaker 5: I know Deklon's family met with his mum a number

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Speaker 4: She has really really struggled with this.

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Speaker 5: I know she was being counseled and I think being

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Speaker 5: what she's going through. Just awful sentencing next week, and

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Speaker 2: And I've seen Samarra Lavity a number of times over

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Speaker 2: would have been really hard to sit there in court

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Speaker 6: I was there yesterday Katie when the verdict was delivered,

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Speaker 6: the families of both Declan and Keith Keranua. There was

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Speaker 6: There were some pretty dramatic scenes at court. In fact,

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Speaker 7: A bit going on.

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Speaker 6: I thought Samara Lavity really did speak well outside court

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Speaker 6: It's what is it now, fifteen months since the incident happens.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we are going to be speaking to Samara on

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Speaker 1: the show this morning at about ten thirty. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is an absolute tragedy and two lives changed forever,

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Speaker 1: Samara this morning at about ten thirty and certainly hear

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Speaker 1: from her. Following on From that case, we will move along.

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Speaker 1: There isn't there is so much I should say that

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Speaker 1: has gone on this week and we know that yesterday,

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Speaker 1: well it was the last day of parliament for the

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Speaker 1: current makeup of the Northern Territory Parliament, sixty four days.

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Speaker 3: Until the election. Not sure who else is counting, but

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 4: Katie.

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Speaker 5: It's actually less than that because pre poll starts two

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Speaker 5: people can start devating. You're counting, don't worry, I'm going

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Speaker 1: Well, look, it was an interesting day then as well,

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Speaker 1: because what happens obviously is estimates had ended after two

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Speaker 1: Ikak recommendations from Operation Jupiter were tabled, as I understand,

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Speaker 1: that point in time. Now, as I understand, it was

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Speaker 1: so recommended that this committee be formed to implement recommendations

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, this is an interesting one.

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Speaker 1: I think we're all I don't know that we're coecting

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Speaker 1: that there would be huge changes before the next Northern

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Speaker 1: all spoken about this before. To me, laid out on

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Speaker 1: before any election, and that is taxpayers funds used for

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Speaker 1: political purposes. I know that there was no adverse findings

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Speaker 1: in that report. We've heard that lots of times, haven't

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Speaker 1: we met, but to me it certainly seemed like they

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Speaker 5: Well, there were some finals, Katie, and I think what

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Speaker 5: you'll find during this campaigns will be a lack of

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Speaker 5: travel by canaidas I know I'll be staying in darw

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Speaker 5: and I don't think anyone will be jumping on a

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Speaker 4: Charging the taxpayers.

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Speaker 5: And I think it'll be for the next parliament to

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Speaker 5: implement that report. However, I reckon watch this space over

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Speaker 5: the next sixty four or fifty days.

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Speaker 4: There won't be too much trouble and I.

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Speaker 5: Think MLAs or candidates will be very circumspect in their

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Speaker 7: Why not just implement the recommendations?

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 7: Why did you get pushed off until after the next.

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Speaker 4: Election because there's only fifty days to go.

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Speaker 7: Mate, You.

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Speaker 5: Can't implement without without a bit of time to actually implement.

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Speaker 4: You need some time. But don't worry. From outside there is.

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Speaker 5: An acceptance of the recommendations. There is also the guidelines

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Speaker 5: for MLAs and candidates. This will be a very squeaky

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Speaker 5: clean election campaign.

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Speaker 3: That is all. Always tell you what.

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Speaker 2: I want to read out, Katie, loud and clear.

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Speaker 4: Anywhere that's right in Johnston.

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Speaker 2: I want to read out loud and clear part of

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Speaker 2: As far as reasonably practical, implement the recommendations. I mean again,

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Speaker 2: as far as reasonably practical, implement these recommendations. It kind

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Speaker 2: It was a bit of a a non event too.

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Speaker 1: It was like, honestly, I can't understand why we're not

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Speaker 1: Yet there's this real hesitation or this real sort of oh,

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Speaker 6: I think black and white and red all over is

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Speaker 6: what the what the report was, because it actually had

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Speaker 7: So I mean, I don't know, I've made the point before.

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Speaker 6: You know, maybe there were no findings of corrupt conduct

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Speaker 6: pass the pub times.

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Speaker 5: Well, those diary entries weren't very smart, were they Like

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Speaker 5: if if you were thinking about.

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Speaker 7: Trying, they were instructive.

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Speaker 1: You just thinks, but it also like it just goes

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Speaker 5: Think that's why Katie, the government's accepted this, accepted the

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Speaker 4: Thank you Josh for articulated.

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Speaker 3: They were in to.

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Speaker 6: So basically, when it comes to the issue surrounding his

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Speaker 1: I mean, where to from here? Can the ik Commissioner,

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Speaker 2: I think the frustration for myself as a member of Parliament,

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Speaker 3: It's been mentioned.

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Speaker 5: It is difficult, and especially with those conflict of interest

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Speaker 1: Then sort of begs the question whether the IKK, the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's better to have an IKK than

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Speaker 5: I think we're better off with an IK, Katie, rather

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Speaker 6: I think, Katie, how long has the IKAK been in

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Speaker 5: He also made an extraordinary statement at the Estimates Committee

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Speaker 6: And reveal who in his office had been telling me

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Speaker 3: Going to fill all your.

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Speaker 6: Hopes and dreams, and then deliver that report and it

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Speaker 6: of dollars.

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Speaker 1: I suppose the other part of it is you know

442
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Speaker 1: how much has been paid out from the QQ office,

443
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Speaker 1: how much you know, how much is it costing, and

444
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Speaker 1: is it delivering on what territories expectations are. I tend

445
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Speaker 1: to agree with you, John, like I do think we

446
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Speaker 1: need an ey CAC in the sense that, you know,

447
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Speaker 1: you want to make sure that if there is corruption,

448
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Speaker 1: if there is things happening in the territory, that they

449
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Speaker 1: should not be happening. But I just wonder, given how

450
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Speaker 1: small we are, whether we're better placed having a national

451
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Speaker 1: ICAC body able to look over what happens in the

452
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory and it not cost territory tax payers quite

453
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Speaker 1: so much and not have to worry about those conflicts.

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Speaker 2: The Office of the IK should be the ones that

455
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Speaker 2: are investigating people that are in the media for all

456
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Speaker 2: the wrong things, not the ones themselves that are in

457
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Speaker 2: the media for doing all these alleged wrong things. And

458
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Speaker 2: that's what's so frustrating. Right now. We've got an important

459
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Speaker 2: report where the labor travel routs. We have no idea

460
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Speaker 2: exactly when that's going to come out, if there's currently

461
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Speaker 2: anyone at the I office that's able to investigate that,

462
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Speaker 2: and whether the report will ever see the light of day.

463
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Speaker 4: Well, clearly there are people there who are able to

464
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Speaker 4: investigate that.

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Speaker 5: That's the thing, right The current acting Q Commission can

466
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Speaker 5: declare the conflict of interests and others can investigate. There's

467
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Speaker 5: enough staff at IK to do the investigation, and Bruce

468
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Speaker 5: mclintoff is also able as the inspector to do investigation well.

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Speaker 1: And then is someone able to oversee it though, I

470
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Speaker 1: guess because you know like that looking into the travel

471
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Speaker 1: is actually something that's pretty fundamental that we get it

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Speaker 1: right anyway, look, let's move along because there is a

473
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Speaker 1: lot happening. We're going to take a really quick break

474
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Speaker 1: when we come back. Well, let's talk about gil Neett's

475
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Speaker 1: plenty happening right here in the Northern Territory. You're listening

476
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Speaker 1: to the Week that was. You are listening to Mix

477
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Speaker 1: one O four nine's three sixty. It is the week

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Speaker 1: that was. In the studio with us this morning, we've

479
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Speaker 1: got Josh Burgoy, Matt Cunningham and Joel Bowden. Actually, Joel,

480
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Speaker 1: we did just get a birthday message for you as well.

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Speaker 3: Let me find it one here.

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Speaker 4: I sent myself birthday.

483
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Speaker 1: Well, happy birthday, Joel Bowden from your number one fan.

484
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Speaker 3: Rob Lee.

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Speaker 4: Oh thanks rob Lee.

486
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Speaker 5: Rob Lee yep, I think Rob Lee and Bruce Lee

487
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Speaker 5: are two of my biggest fans. And then there's Susannah Lee, Maylee,

488
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Speaker 5: Joe Lee from Ben's bake House.

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Speaker 4: They're all my third and fourth and fifth biggest fans,

490
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Speaker 4: so I paid them well this morning to send the

491
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Speaker 4: message into the radio.

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Speaker 3: Come on, let's move along.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure we'll go and get a birthday snack

494
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Speaker 1: later on.

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Speaker 3: He Joel, Hey Ben.

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Speaker 1: Now, after months of speculation, the well, first off, I

497
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Speaker 1: don't know who said it first, but the Labor Party,

498
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Speaker 1: not the government, but the Labour Party announced that if

499
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Speaker 1: re elected that a Lawler led Labor government is going

500
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Speaker 1: to ban the use of commercial gill nets for barrow

501
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Speaker 1: Monday fishing and buy back commercial barrow Monday fishing licenses,

502
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Speaker 1: which they say is going to deliver a huge boost

503
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Speaker 1: to the territories world class wreck fishing industry. The colp

504
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Speaker 1: also have said that you guys will do the same.

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Speaker 1: What I found interesting, though earlier in the week, and

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Speaker 1: I did make this observation I suppose earlier in the

507
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Speaker 1: week on the show, is that I found it interesting

508
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Speaker 1: that the Labor Party had announced that when you have

509
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Speaker 1: the government's got the power to actually implement that now,

510
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Speaker 1: rather than waiting for the election. I know that the

511
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Speaker 1: last day of parliament was yesterday now, but this was

512
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Speaker 1: earlier in the week.

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Speaker 5: Yesky, let me say three things. One, it takes months

514
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Speaker 5: to get legislation ready for parliament. Josh knows this absolutely

515
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Speaker 5: a Two, we will ban gilness, but it's a four

516
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Speaker 5: year phase out process. We got fifteen million dollars in

517
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Speaker 5: a pool to allow for the buybacks of the licenses.

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Speaker 5: We want to transition this industry. Don't want to get

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Speaker 5: rid of the industry. We want to transition it because

520
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Speaker 5: it's good for our lifestyle, it's good for an environment,

521
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Speaker 5: and it's a two hundred and seventy million dollar industry.

522
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Speaker 5: The wreck fishing industry.

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Speaker 1: Not everyone's happy. The Northern Territory Seafood Council, they've come

524
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Speaker 1: out swinging saying they strongly oppose the Chief Minister Evil

525
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Speaker 1: lawless announcement to ban the use of commercial gillnets to

526
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Speaker 1: boost recreational fishing in the Northern Territory. They reckon the

527
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Speaker 1: policy is aimed at grabbing votes from a noisy minority

528
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Speaker 1: and lacks economic and scientific credibility. Meanwhile, we also know

529
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Speaker 1: that there was another pressure lease came out yesterday from

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Speaker 1: the Aboriginal Sea Company and it too said the Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: Sea Company shareholders that they well, they are not happy.

532
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Speaker 1: They say that their seafood related businesses have just taken

533
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Speaker 1: a major blow with the announcement of the Territory government's

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Speaker 1: election commitment for a total ban on gilnet fishing.

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Speaker 5: Katie, that's why we consulted heavily with industry and that's

536
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Speaker 5: why it's a phased approach to fail out banning gilnetting

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Speaker 5: and implement new gears. So it might be longline fishing

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Speaker 5: or something else that we're able to establish over the journey.

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Speaker 4: But what I would say is this Cody.

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Speaker 5: Eight of the fourteen licenses are owned by a company

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Speaker 5: called wild Borough.

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Speaker 4: They wrote to the Chief.

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Speaker 5: Minister requesting that the industry be reformed, and to the

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Speaker 5: point where they were so keen to see the industry

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Speaker 5: reform that they asked for buybacks.

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Speaker 4: The Chief.

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Speaker 2: That's an important part of this, Katie, because well, I've

548
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Speaker 2: been speaking with stakeholders on this for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: Access to commercial fishing grounds over the last however many years,

550
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Speaker 2: has been restricted, restricted, restricted, to the point where the

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Speaker 2: commercial viability of this sector is seriously at stake. Now

552
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Speaker 2: now to be able to allow people to exit respectfully,

553
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Speaker 2: and that's what this is about. When you have one

554
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Speaker 2: of the largest commercial barrel money fisheries come to government,

555
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Speaker 2: come to opposition and say, look, we're really in a piccoliar.

556
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Speaker 2: The commercial viability of our industry is in strife. How

557
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Speaker 2: are we going to chart way forward? Obviously there's been

558
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Speaker 2: so much conversation about how this is going to look

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Speaker 2: over the next four years. Whoever gets into government, we

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Speaker 2: will work with that sector to phase our gilnettes. There

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Speaker 2: has been. There are people in Queensland right now who

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Speaker 2: are line fishing for barramundy. It's a high value product

563
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Speaker 2: where they essentially catch what they can. They sell it

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Speaker 2: to restaurants. They're getting a higher price for it. We

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Speaker 2: do need to transition this industry, and the industry itself

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Speaker 2: is asking in some instances. I'm not going to pretend

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Speaker 2: like every single person, but eight of the fourteen and

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Speaker 2: my understanding is there's only ten currently operating, so eight

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Speaker 2: of the ten that are operating wanted out that.

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Speaker 6: What you're saying there, Josh and the Queensland experience does that?

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Speaker 6: And job does that not mean? Though? I mean at

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Speaker 6: the moment it's difficult to get a barrow, a wild

573
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Speaker 6: caught ant barrow in a Darwin restaurant, but you can

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Speaker 6: still get one. We're going to reduce the number of

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Speaker 6: barrow we're catching. From a commercial point of view, I mean,

576
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Speaker 6: for you know, mister and missus Malaki want to go

577
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Speaker 6: out for a nice dinner and have a wildcat barrel

578
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Speaker 6: mondy is that? Does this decision not right? Making it

579
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Speaker 6: more difficult to get that barrel money one and two,

580
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Speaker 6: meaning that the cost of that barra money, if you

581
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Speaker 6: can get it, is going to be significantly higher.

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Speaker 5: Well percent or more of the current barrel Monday that

583
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Speaker 5: is sold is from farmed or Humpty do barre, So

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Speaker 5: there's about five percent wild court barrow in the mix.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you can get wildcat barrows.

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Speaker 5: That mister barrow just last week and there it was

587
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Speaker 5: available for sale, slightly more expensive than the skin on

588
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Speaker 5: Humpty do barre, but not significantly more expensive. Now, if

589
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Speaker 5: you do transition this industry, then we might actually see

590
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Speaker 5: a greater premium put on the wild court barrow that

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Speaker 5: if you want to go to a restaurant, a high

592
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Speaker 5: end restaurant, you'll get wildcourt barre. We don't want wildcurren

593
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Speaker 5: bar not on restaurant tables or kitchen or dinner tables,

594
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Speaker 5: because you should be able to get what we want

595
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Speaker 5: to do, and as josh as articulated, we want to

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Speaker 5: we want to reform, reset, and relaunch this industry so

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Speaker 5: that it's sustainable in the long run.

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Speaker 4: It also helps her lifestyle and helps her environment. This

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Speaker 4: is a win win win.

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Speaker 2: What hasn't been spoken about a lot and bo can't

601
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Speaker 2: from the Aboriginal Seafood Company. There's opportunities here for toos So's.

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Speaker 2: There's ways in which the Aboriginal Coastal licenses that. There

603
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Speaker 2: are other ways in which we can reform this industry

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Speaker 2: so that there's economic opportunity in areas where there simply

605
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Speaker 2: hasn't been before. And by putting a higher value price

606
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Speaker 2: on some of these things, opportunities that weren't previously viable

607
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Speaker 2: will become viable.

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Speaker 4: So josh I was in Maningrida just a couple of

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Speaker 4: weeks ago for Community.

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Speaker 5: Cabinet went out with the fishing group, the Sea Rangers

611
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Speaker 5: and the Fisheries Department.

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Speaker 4: We went out and they explained exactly that.

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Speaker 5: Because the price is at its level currently, they're not economical.

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Speaker 5: They can't do enough volume and then get it back

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Speaker 5: to market to make a dollar. If the price goes

616
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Speaker 5: up a little bit for wild core bar that might

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Speaker 5: actually be a good thing for the industry.

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Speaker 4: This is going to be for generations to come. Loves fishing.

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Speaker 5: When out fishing last night he got a flat aead

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Speaker 5: and he got a queenie down at Rapid Creek. His

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Speaker 5: children and his children's children will be able to go

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Speaker 5: on fish for barramundy in clean fresh waters of the

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Speaker 5: Northern Territory without gillnets.

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Speaker 1: Look before we go to a break, because I am

625
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Speaker 1: very keen for us to discuss the Cyclone Tracy monument

626
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Speaker 1: before we wrap up for the morning, before we go

627
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Speaker 1: to a break though, there was plenty of other things

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Speaker 1: discussed this week throughout the estimates process, including will police

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Speaker 1: We know that unfortunately two hundred and ninety nine police

630
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Speaker 1: have apparently been assaulted from the first of the seventh

631
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Speaker 1: last year till the thirty first of March this year.

632
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Speaker 1: We also know three watch houses are still being used

633
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Speaker 1: as prisons, despite the Government and indeed the Police Minister

634
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Speaker 1: promising that they would be handed back around midyear. But

635
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Speaker 1: also one of the big sort of revelations I think

636
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Speaker 1: was the fact that the Police Minister had said they

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Speaker 1: had admitted one hundred and ninety nine thousand calls to

638
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Speaker 1: the emergency call center are for this financial year. That

639
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Speaker 1: e quite still around five hundred and forty five calls

640
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Speaker 1: every single Days'm pretty extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible, Katie, and I'm fortunately I've had to be

642
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: a couple of those callers recently and it's really upsetting.

643
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Speaker 3: When you do.

644
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Speaker 2: I always try to call one through one triple four

645
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: if it's not an immediate emergency, And I'll tell you

646
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Speaker 2: what Nella springs. You're lucky to get through, and then

647
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: what generally happens is that the incident can get out

648
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: of hand very quickly, and I'm hanging up and I'm

649
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: calling Triple zero then, And sometimes you get through immediately,

650
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: sometimes you don't. And it is it is. I cannot

651
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: tell you when you're sitting there watching people in a

652
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: domestic dispute trying to get through to Triple zero, and

653
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: you cannot you feel helpless. You're sitting there going right,

654
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: Am I going to have to get involved now and

655
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Speaker 2: possibly be assaulted myself to try to protect this woman

656
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Speaker 2: who's been beaten up, who's been you know, no one

657
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: should have to deal with these sorts of things, but unfortunately,

658
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Speaker 2: at the moment, it's what we're having to deal with.

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Speaker 2: And we need to ensure that we have the resources

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Speaker 2: available to be able to protect people in our community.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think I've made two Triple O calls in the

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Speaker 6: last couple of years. One was when I was driving

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Speaker 6: home from work at night and I saw a man

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Speaker 6: with a weapon chasing his partner. I presume across the

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Speaker 6: road near Gara Milla Boulevard along Minstreet, and I was

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Speaker 6: on hold for I think eight or nine minutes to

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Speaker 6: triple oh. And by the time they answered, I basically

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Speaker 6: and this is probably two years ago. By the time

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Speaker 6: they answered, you know that they're asking, is someone's life

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Speaker 6: in immediate danger? It's like, well, I can't tell now

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Speaker 6: that they might be dead for Alino. And the other

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Speaker 6: situation I've spoken oft before was at our home where

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Speaker 6: we were on hold for five minutes. We rang triple

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Speaker 6: O while there are kids there smashing our windows with

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Speaker 6: golf clubs where we're ringing triple O and it was

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Speaker 6: five minutes before, almost five minutes before the phone was answered.

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Speaker 6: And to Josh's point about the one to three to

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Speaker 6: one triple four number, yeah, you know, like I think

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Speaker 6: most people have given up because you know you're going

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Speaker 6: to be on hold.

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Speaker 1: For it's extraordinary too long. Yeah, this is the thing.

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Speaker 1: It's extraordinary. But it also goes to the heart I

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Speaker 1: think of the biggest issue in the Northern Territory right now,

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Speaker 1: and that is it is still a real concern for people,

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Speaker 1: the crime and feeling as though we do not have

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Speaker 1: enough police to deal with what are incredibly serious situations.

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Speaker 1: And when you're seeing that kind of thing happen, it

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Speaker 1: is it's terrible. I mean, or if your home's being

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Speaker 1: broken into and you're not able to get somebody out,

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Speaker 1: it's an incredible feeling of helplessness where you just don't

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Speaker 1: know really what's going to unfold next.

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Speaker 6: Also, there does seem to I think have been a

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Speaker 6: recent improvement, and we know they put more resources in.

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Speaker 6: So there was an incident at the Anti News a

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Speaker 6: week or so ago that was in the media, and

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Speaker 6: I mean we called one three one triple four then

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Speaker 6: certainly I did, and they answered reason sorry, no call

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Speaker 6: triple O. And they answered pretty like within a minute,

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Speaker 6: I would say, And we had a policeman there within

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Speaker 6: maybe ten minutes. So the situation might be improving. And

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Speaker 6: I know there'd been more investments, but geez, it's.

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Speaker 7: Been it's been a time.

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Speaker 5: It certainly has, as you said, Katie, that the calls,

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Speaker 5: the actual number of calls have gone through the roof.

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Speaker 5: Even we've said twenty five new operators in the call

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Speaker 5: center like that, that might not be enough. We might

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Speaker 5: have to put more on you know, we've committed to

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Speaker 5: two undred police.

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Speaker 4: That might not be enough. We might have to put

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Speaker 4: more on. So it does concern me when you can't

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Speaker 4: get through.

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Speaker 5: And I've spoken to a lot of people and I've

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Speaker 5: made a couple of cloned phone calls myself. Even my

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Speaker 5: wife has made a couple of phone calls at times

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Speaker 5: and sitting on hold. It creates our anxiety and that

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Speaker 5: heightened tension.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, Look, we are going to take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 3: It is the week.

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Speaker 1: That was the thing that we have received more phone

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Speaker 1: calls and more messages about this week than anything else.

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Speaker 1: Is the Cyclone Tracy monuments. Now, we had a discussion

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Speaker 1: with the Lord Mayor convat Scarlets.

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Speaker 3: A little earlier in the week.

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Speaker 1: If you missed it, here's just a bit of a

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Speaker 1: snapshot of what he had to say.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's not going to be a monument. It's going

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Speaker 8: to be a public art, a piece of art which

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Speaker 8: actually it shows the forces of nature and that was

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Speaker 8: the original idea.

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Speaker 3: So what is this?

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Speaker 1: Is it a monument for cycle tracing? So why has

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Speaker 1: it been referred.

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Speaker 8: To with you properly would not state it right, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So we're getting seven So seven hundred thousand dollars is

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Speaker 1: going to a public art work, absolutely, so public artwork

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Speaker 1: for what public art.

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Speaker 8: The same way that the jellyfish in front of the

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Speaker 8: of the East points.

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Speaker 1: So is that funding from the federal government in any

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Speaker 1: way linked to it supposed to be a monument for

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Speaker 1: cyclone tracing.

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Speaker 8: I'm telling you, and I have said before, this is

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Speaker 8: not the monument the real memorial is going to be.

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Speaker 8: In this point, Richard Craig has spoken and asked the

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Speaker 8: committee has actually agreed to actually approve this do so.

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Speaker 1: That was part of the Lord Mayor on the show

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Speaker 1: a little earlier in the week.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what clear is mud clear as mud coatie.

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Speaker 6: Well, well, that hat's off for the backflip. But it

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Speaker 6: was the wrong backflot that's right. It was like it

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Speaker 6: was a backflip with a twist because it like so

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Speaker 6: we're still.

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Speaker 2: Getting this strange iren, like I can't work it out.

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Speaker 2: Are we still getting the strange orange sculpture?

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Speaker 3: I think they're called fillopif I don't, well, yes, apparently

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Speaker 3: we are.

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Speaker 1: And look the concerning part about this is we've also

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Speaker 1: I went back and I found the Prime Minister's pressure

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Speaker 1: release from the thirteenth of March this year and it

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Speaker 1: says fifty years after Cyclone Tracy devastated Darwin, the Albanesi

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Speaker 1: and Lawler governments are going to honor the memory of

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Speaker 1: those who died and those whose lives were irrevocably changed

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Speaker 1: with the permanent monument and separate permanent memorial in Darwin.

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Speaker 1: The Australian Government's giving a total of six hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars to the Northern Territory Government to work in partnership

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Speaker 1: with stakeholders to install a kinetic monument at Bundela Beach

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Speaker 1: as well as a memorial designed by local art by

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Speaker 1: a local artists.

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Speaker 3: At each point.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds as tho this money is absolutely tied

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Speaker 1: to this being for Cyclone Tracy, for a commemoration for

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Speaker 1: Cyclone Tracy for fifty years now. What I can't sort

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Speaker 1: of wrap my head around is why the Council's forging

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Speaker 1: ahead with something that the community is saying that they

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Speaker 1: don't want, they want something different.

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Speaker 2: Then this is a thing. The anniversary of Cyclone Tracy

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Speaker 2: is a very significant event, especially for those territories that

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Speaker 2: were in Dalen in nineteen seventy four. It's so important,

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Speaker 2: and I said this last week Katie, that this is

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Speaker 2: properly acknowledged and that those survivors, people that went through this,

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Speaker 2: because it still affects them to this day, are sort

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Speaker 2: of brought along on this journey and that there's something

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Speaker 2: there that properly signifies what people went through.

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Speaker 5: And one of the problems with is every time we

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Speaker 5: delay this, every time the conversation continues, we're to get

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Speaker 5: closer to the twenty fourth of December on the fifty

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Speaker 5: year anniversary. What we don't want to do is not

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Speaker 5: respectful respect the fifty year.

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Speaker 4: Anniversary by arguing about this.

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Speaker 5: And I think it's it's it's got to a point

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Speaker 5: where it is as clear as mud, and we're going

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Speaker 5: to get to a point where Tracy survivors, of which

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Speaker 5: I don't think any of us in this room, should

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Speaker 5: be respected and they should have something there that they

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Speaker 5: like and that they go to and they sit and

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Speaker 5: reflect and do what they want to do.

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Speaker 6: Exactly like it's clear that they are outraged by what's

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Speaker 6: been proposed. So I mean there's only once. I mean,

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Speaker 6: how can you possibly build a monument to represent them

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Speaker 6: if they hate it, that's just nonsense.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of money too, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: money at least don't don't veil it with Cyclone Tracy, right,

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Speaker 2: build some art, do it somewhere, build some art, let

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Speaker 2: the community see it.

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Speaker 4: But let's let's not use.

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Speaker 5: Cyclone Tracy and that that funding coming from.

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Speaker 3: Elbas find interesting?

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Speaker 1: Is that what it sort of seems to me and

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Speaker 1: I get it right, Like we all want Bundilla Beach

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Speaker 1: to be activated. It's a beautiful area down there. Do

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Speaker 1: you want it to be activated? And you want it

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Speaker 1: to be somewhere that Territorians enjoy. But let's not use

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Speaker 1: this as an opportunity to do that. Let's actually, like,

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Speaker 1: let's actually do what the Cyclone Tracy survivors and territorians want,

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Speaker 1: you know, like to be really honest about it. Cyclone Tracy,

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Speaker 1: as we all know, absolutely devastated Darwin and the way

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Speaker 1: in which this place has been able to rebuild following

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Speaker 1: on from that is nothing short of amazing. And the

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Speaker 1: people that we're here for that should be respected and

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Speaker 1: should actually be listened to.

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Speaker 2: The stories that I still hear now about the Red

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Speaker 2: Cross handing out presents to people that literally their Christmas

825
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Speaker 2: was torn apart about people that were washing beside fire

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Speaker 2: hydrants because I didn't have homes. You know, you think

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Speaker 2: about the stories that have come out of this and

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Speaker 2: the people that then went on to rebuild Darwin. There's

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Speaker 2: so many incredible things that could be depicted as part

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Speaker 2: of a monument.

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Speaker 1: Look, I hope that some common sense is able to

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Speaker 1: be found with this. We hear a lot about common sense,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes we don't see a lot of it. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: we better wrap up for the morning. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: very much for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Josh Bergwine. Lovely to have you in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie, always good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you for the late

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Speaker 1: call up and making it.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: How Aries Katie, thank.

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Speaker 1: You and Joel Bounden birthday boy, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: your time this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Katie, and just a very very quick one.

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Speaker 5: So around the wreck fishing stuff we've done, I just

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Speaker 5: want to say thanks to Lee Harris. Lee has did

847
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Speaker 5: a power of work behind the scenes. There is the

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Speaker 5: bloke some of the people we don't ever hear about,

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Speaker 5: but guess what today on my birthday. I'm going out

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Speaker 5: on a limb. Thank you, Lee Harris, you've done a

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Speaker 5: fabulous job.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Thank you all so much for your time.

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Speaker 1: This morning, you are listening to Mix one O four

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Speaker 1: nine's three sixty