1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Look, it's my job to ask the questions. The president 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: isn't going to want to hang out with me. That's 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: not what we're doing. We're not building friendships for life. 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: But that report to get somebody to listen to your 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: question is best fed by your ability to listen to 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: their answer. 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to How I Work, a show about the tactics 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: used by the world's most successful people to get so 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: much out of their day. I'm your host, doctor Amantha Imba. 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: I'm an organizational psychologist, the founder of behavioral science consultancy Inventium, 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: and I'm obsessed with finding ways to optimize my workday. 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: My guest today is Harris Faulkner. Harris is a multiple 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: Emmy Award winning newscaster, anchor, and trailblazer in her field. 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 2: Harris currently leads two daily programs on Fox News over 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: in America, Outnumbered Overtime with Harris Faulkner, which is on 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: it weekdays from one to two pm Eastern Time, and 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: she serves as the co Outnumbered, which is on every 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: weekday from twelve to one Eastern Time. Harris joined the 19 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: Fox News Channel in two thousand and five, so she 20 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: is quite the veteran having been there fifteen years, and 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: throughout her career, Harris has interviewed some very notable figures, 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: including President Trump now several times, Senator John McCain, and 23 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, to name a few. So I was very 24 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: excited to sit down with Harris because in light of COVID, 25 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: she's actually broadcasting her shows live from the basement in 26 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: her house, which kind of blew my mind. So we 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: start by talking about that, and then we cover all 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: sorts of things such as how Harris's schedules time for 29 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: spontaneity in her life, through to how she has gone 30 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: about building rapport with President Trump on the occasions where 31 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: she has interviewed him. So on that note, let's head 32 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: to Harris he about how she works. Harris, Welcome to 33 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: the shy Oh, thank. 34 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: You, thanks for having me. 35 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 2: Oh my pleasure. Now, this is such an interesting time 36 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: for you because you are broadcasting nationally from home. I 37 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 2: believe in your basement. Is that correct? 38 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: Technically it's the man cave and now there is a 39 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: woman up in it every day, so yeah, and it's 40 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: it's kind of it's an interesting area because it was 41 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: always my husband's office kind of where he hangs. It's 42 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: very sports suite feeling. It's on the first floor of 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: our house at the entry level. It's got great reception capability, 44 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: and it's kind of already looks like a place where 45 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: you'd want to take a few pictures with all those 46 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: sports memorabilia about it. But you know what it is, 47 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: it's connected to everything else in the house. Like there's 48 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: really no escaping the fact that I'm at home. I 49 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: can hear a little feet above me on school breaks, 50 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: like if it's snack time, And I'm constantly aware of 51 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 1: the blessing in my life to be able to work 52 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: at home on so many levels. They're retrofitting and configurations 53 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: that have gone through to make this a successful broadcast 54 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: times two shows a day Monday through Friday was pretty remarkable, 55 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: and we have been so fortunate to be able to 56 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: get up on the air, and we've even tested the 57 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: waters by doing virtual town halls, and let me tell you, Amantha, 58 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: that is like a high wire act of technology, and 59 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: especially when you do a presidential one too, like you 60 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: can't fail, you can't make a mistake, can't fail. So 61 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: it's it's been an interesting mix of blessings and some pressure. 62 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to know, with the with the broadcasting 63 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: from home, what are the biggest challenges I'm interested. I'm 64 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: personally interested in what are the biggest technical challenges, but 65 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: also what are the biggest personal challenges. 66 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: Too well, you know, professionally and technologically. It is some 67 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: of the same challenge that you face in a studio, 68 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: and that is everybody being on the same page at 69 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: the same time. You have a lot of bells and whistles. 70 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: So for Outnumbered and Outnumbered overtime, for that two hour 71 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: block between noon and two, it's probably about forty people 72 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: that have to coordinate across those two teams. And the 73 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: first hour is ninety percent unscripted, if not more. And 74 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: it's a talk show for women, a guy in the middle, 75 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: outnumbered as we say, and then it's seamless from one 76 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: hour to the next. And mine is a lot of 77 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: breaking news and things happening, and to be able to 78 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: do all of that, everybody has to be on the 79 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: same page. So I have a photographer who comes to 80 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: my home about ten ten thirty in the morning and 81 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: kind of revives the setup. It's always in my house 82 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: now it's a permanent setup, but he brings some accoutremont 83 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: to make that day special. So today they brought a 84 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: satellite dish truck to my driveway, which isn't the norm, 85 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: but they had to hardline me because I was going 86 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: to be the only constant in that hour and everything 87 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: else times about twelve people in an hour during that 88 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: virtual town hall was moving and so technically today it 89 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: was really interesting to watch them do this, like they 90 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: were stringing and cables and that's not the norm. But 91 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: probably on a daily basis, the biggest challenge is audio. 92 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: It's what you and I are doing right now. It 93 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: is the simplest form of communication that becomes so difficult 94 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: because everything has a delay. Even when you're talking to 95 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: somebody at work, like through my microphone and through my 96 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: earpiece we can talk to each other, there's a delay there. 97 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: So by the time they tell me to look up 98 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: and you're on camera, I've been on camera for three 99 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: or four seconds. Of course I don't know it because 100 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: the monitor that I have in front of me is 101 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: based on the feed capability coming in off the internet 102 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: to my home. Everything's coming in on a different time, 103 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: so it is it's it's a challenge, but basically the 104 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: audio is the biggest thing. If somebody starts to ramble 105 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: and you need to cut them off because you've got 106 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: to get to breaking news. Imagine you and I Amantha 107 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: talking right now and you trying to wrap me, and 108 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: five seconds later I stopped talking. Well by then we 109 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: had to go to the president, and it looks like 110 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: I cut that person off. And it's but I'm getting 111 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: the hang of it. I can backtime in my head, like, okay, 112 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: if the producer told me to talk now. And we 113 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: cheat each other too. Rachel mackenzie is the executive producer 114 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: for that one o'clock hour, and she cheats me. She'll 115 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: say start now, and she knows she's five seconds early, right, 116 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: But she and I figured out that that's how we 117 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: have to talk with one another, and so it's it's interesting, but. 118 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: That's really interesting. And are you feeling nerves before you 119 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: go live for your two hour? Is like, because so 120 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: many things could go wrong. Do you have any pre 121 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 2: show rituals or anything like that just to help get 122 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: you in the zarron? 123 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: And you know, I've been in the business for so 124 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: long that the bar is pretty high for me to 125 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: get nervous, like it, I have to be in a 126 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: position where I'm concerned for someone's safety at that moment. 127 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: I've just done this for so long. Gosh, that makes 128 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: me sound so early, but it's true. But I my 129 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: freak out point, Like I said, the bar on that 130 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: is really high. I just truly believe that the connection 131 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: that I have with the audience is one that I 132 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: can be honest with them in that moment and I 133 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: can say, look, this is live TV. I am doing 134 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: what you do on zoom and people laugh at this. 135 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: By the way, I'll see it myself the media. Something happens, 136 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: something's happened, they do and people laugh and they'll be 137 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: like Harris Wagner just says she was zooming with me 138 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: on TV. That's a That's how I feel sometimes. But 139 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm just honest with the audience, and so I don't 140 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: get nervous. I will say that when the pandemic first started, 141 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: and it was as such, it was truly a pandemic 142 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: at that point. That's only been a few weeks ago. 143 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: But you know, when you look at the numbers of 144 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: where we are now and when we would give those 145 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: dire numbers off the top of every Because I did 146 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: a COVID Pandemic special pretty early on on a Sunday 147 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: night than we did one at one pm with doctor Oz, 148 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: And we did all sorts of things in the beginning, 149 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: and it felt very dire at every moment. It still does. 150 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: You know, when you give the total death count or 151 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: you give whatever the cases are. And I know that 152 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: some places, like where I live in New Jersey, were 153 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: looking for the curve to flatten. Next door in New 154 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: York it started to flatten. I would get concerned that 155 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: I was about to deliver a number that was really 156 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: going to be tough for people to hear. And I 157 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: guess that's about as close to nervousness as I get. 158 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: I do worry that my facts are perfect, because you 159 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: don't need to oversell or erroneously sell breaking news and 160 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: bad news. But even the range that I communicate, I think, 161 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: for a second, let me gather myself before I say 162 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: whatever it is I want to say, because the person 163 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,479 Speaker 1: on the receiving end literally is hanging on the words 164 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: for life saving and it's going to help them in 165 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: their day. It's going to make a difference how we communicate. 166 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: So that makes me prepare in a different way, Like 167 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: I'm much more intense about knowing things and knowing them 168 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: well so that when I do have to say the 169 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: news that's hard to hear, I will live in my 170 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: head already heard myself say it, and I know it's 171 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: the right tone that matters. 172 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: It's really interesting hearing you talk about that, because I 173 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 2: could I imagine, you know, having vain in the business 174 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: so long, it's just easy to wing it or not 175 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: go to that sort of emotional depth that I guess 176 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: you're thinking about when you're thinking about how you're going 177 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: to deliver the key messages that you're delivering every day. 178 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: It's so true, you know when I always tell people 179 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: if news is breaking and it's really worthy of everybody 180 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: getting to their device, whether their device is audio, video, television, 181 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's probably not good. But I will 182 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: say that two things are happening simultaneously now that make 183 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: it feel different to me. Yes, people are tuning in 184 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: and it's probably not going to be good news. But 185 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: this is material that we've never dealt with before. So 186 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I covered H one, N one, not like this. 187 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: Nine to eleven was really hard, but it wasn't like this, 188 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: and there is nothing really to compare it to nine 189 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: eleven felt otherly and out of body. This feels like this, 190 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: but it's bigger because it's happening to all of us simultaneously. 191 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: I was going to ask on that, how do you 192 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: almost I'm not sure if detaches the right word, but almost, like, 193 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: how do you preserve your own mental health when you 194 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: are dealing with such emotionally intense situations and at the moment, 195 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: literally every day, when when you're doing your shows, what 196 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: does that look like for you? 197 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: Well, I have to schedule downtime. I have to force 198 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: myself to change what used to make me feel comfortable 199 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: like I used to. And I it's funny because for me, 200 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: more information is always the thing. Like I would come 201 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: home and I would continue reading stuff after a whole 202 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: day of news. I can't do that now. It's too much. 203 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: And I have to help my children manage. My ten 204 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: and my thirteen year old daughters manage their stress and 205 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: whatever they're feeling. The little ones have not seen anybody 206 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: other than the four of us and so long, and 207 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: the one camera man who comes here is on the 208 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: first floor wearing a mask and gloves. They don't go 209 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: near him, so they literally, other than looking out the window, 210 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: haven't had human contact outside of us, and I don't 211 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: want to stress them out with my stress, so I 212 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: have to self care. I take more bubble baths than 213 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: I've ever taken in my life. 214 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: And you said, like, you're now literally scheduling downtime, Like, 215 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 2: what does that look like? Is it almost if I 216 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 2: looked at your calendar, there would be time where you're uncontactable, 217 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: for example, by the rest of the world outside your family, Like, 218 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: what's that looking like on a really practical level? 219 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: So it looks exactly the way you described it. And 220 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, here's how old school I am too, Amantha. 221 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: I have all these digital devices and everything else. I've 222 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: got two phones and laptops and tablets and stuff. I 223 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: use four devices for every show. But I have a 224 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: beautiful fabric calendar book and I love it, and I 225 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: buy a new one every eighteen months. And it is 226 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: something about physically writing in the words my time spontaneity. Yes, 227 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: I actually schedule spontaneity. 228 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 3: That's awesome as a last. 229 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: But my husband, he's a big role in this because 230 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: I'll start to I'll schedule and it's no more than 231 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: forty five minutes to an hour at a time, but 232 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: it may be turning on my favorite We have Sonas 233 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: in my house and I'll just turn it on for 234 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: the bedroom. And my favorite channel is called Poolside and 235 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: it's just like it's almost like a boat's rocking. The 236 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: music is just kind of bumping and it's not too 237 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's got some soul behind it, but 238 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: it's you know, it doesn't look like a TikTok video. 239 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: And I will do anything for I just finished a 240 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: book by Gabrielle Union called We're Going to Need More Wine. 241 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: It didn't just come out, It's been out for a while. 242 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: It was bestseller. But I had started that book like 243 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: five times last year and just never find do you know. 244 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: I finished that book in just a manner of hours. Wow, 245 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: just a couple of break times because I don't allow 246 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: anything else to impede. And my husband really supports me 247 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: with this, like he will tell the girls, Mommy's having 248 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: a moment. Now. I don't get to do that every day, 249 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: but if I'm doing it three times a week, that's 250 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: three hours. That's that's like. And I create a spa, 251 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'll light a candle. I'm very I love aromatherapy, 252 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: so I like for things to smell good, and you know, 253 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: I'll take that bubble bath and the whole that just 254 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: makes the whole upper floor with all the bedrooms smell good. 255 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll just get out my yoga mat and do 256 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: a couple of down dogs and just look at the 257 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: city with the curtains open. I mean, they're Florida to 258 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: ceiling windows, and that's my time. It doesn't have to 259 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: be complicated, but it does have to be kept. And 260 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: that was something that my husband was really supportive on. 261 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: He's like, well, what good is it to to schedule 262 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: my time or spontaneity on your calendar. If you're not 263 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: going to keep it, it can't be a broken promise. 264 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: So that's the deal. 265 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by this idea of scheduling spontaneity. So when 266 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: did this start? And how often are you doing this spontaneity. 267 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: Is that always just on your own the spontaneity or 268 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: is it sometimes spontaneity with your family? Like, well, I'm 269 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: curious as to the origins to start with. 270 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: So that is the question of the day. I love 271 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: that question, Amantha. It can be by myself. But the 272 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: best spontaneity is when I surprise everybody and I walk 273 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: in with I did this last weekend. They looked a 274 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: little scared, but it turned out to be fun. A 275 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: five hundred piece puzzle that I had ordered off of Amazon. 276 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: We're not usually do that, but we did. We cleared 277 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: everything off the dining room table and we did this 278 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: for hours and had such a good time. The whole 279 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: point is it is for it to be relaxing and 280 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: fun and to feel disconnected. So I love the idea 281 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: of doing things that I don't normally do. So my 282 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: spontaneity isn't always by myself, but I try not to 283 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: write anything down, like I literally whatever. When that time comes, 284 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: I'll say what sounds good, what feels good, and I'll 285 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: go do that. And the other day we made homemade 286 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: biscuits for breakfast. My time was thirty minutes in the morning, 287 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, school hasn't started yet, 288 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: Let's go do this. And we did and it was delicious. 289 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: I made some egg whites, fluffy biscuits and sausage, and 290 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: I made little sandwiches. 291 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: Sounds delicious. 292 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: There's a way I could have known I wanted to 293 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: do that, but we work for it. 294 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Now you've got two girls, ten and 295 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: a thirteen year old who are schooling at home. I 296 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: want to know how are you balancing this with work? Like, 297 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: what are the strategies that you are using to not 298 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: go insane during this time period? It because I feel 299 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: like a lot of parents are in that kind of 300 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: headspace of just going how on earth do I cope? 301 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: Well, one thing I do is ask everybody I see 302 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: how they're doing it. That's how I start. And I 303 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: have a collection of great ideas now. And I just 304 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: hosted this America Learns Together town hall and I learned 305 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount in an hour that I hosted because 306 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: all I did was ask questions and listen for an hour, 307 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: and we have people from all over the country. I 308 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: mean it was actually a town hall, so many different 309 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: voices and questions that I'm learning from others. And you know, 310 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: I look for the drum beats. I look for the 311 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: consistencies and what works for each parent or family. And 312 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: one thing that is for sure is you need a 313 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: routine every day the same you need a structure, which 314 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: means which is a routine to me with expectation. So 315 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: the routine is the timing and the structure is making 316 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: it real. And so when I say we're going to 317 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: do breakfast at eight am, which is about thirty minutes 318 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: later than we normally did when they were in school 319 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: that they had to get to But when I say 320 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: we're going to do breakfast at eight am, that means 321 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: everybody comes down their beds are me The guinea pigs 322 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: have been fed. We have two of them, London and Paris. 323 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: Two girls. Everybody's hair is done. That means they have 324 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: to get up at seven because you got to be 325 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: ready to roll. And then breakfast, as it always has been, 326 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: even when we would be in school. Outside this home, 327 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: breakfast is a time to talk about what's coming up 328 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: for the day, anticipation, anybody have a test? 329 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 3: Do we need to quiz you? 330 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: During breakfast? I try to give us thirty minutes if 331 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: we can. 332 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 3: Now. 333 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: During the regular school year, when you have sports going 334 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: on and everything else, sometimes that conversation gets rushed. But 335 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: when I'm going to New York every day commuting from here, 336 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: breakfast is the most important meal because that's when I 337 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: get eye contact with them. And I think eye contact 338 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: bill's character, because again it comes with expectation. It's hard 339 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: to fib not be straightforward when you're looking at someone 340 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: in the eye. That's been for me the biggest challenge 341 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: of the virtual world. And as a journalist, I do 342 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: find myself doubting sometimes of people who are telling me 343 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: the truth because I can't I can't make eye contact 344 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: with them. But I'm learning. I'm learning through. It's making 345 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: me a better journalist for sure, because I'm learning, you know, 346 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: through my follow up questions how to get there even better. 347 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I do want to delve into that because 348 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 2: you do a lot of interviews. You interview a lot 349 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: of very high profile people who have their own agenda 350 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: to push, and I want to know what the strategies 351 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 2: that work for you in terms of extracting the information 352 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: that you are trying to extract from an interview. 353 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: My goal has always been less about extraction and more 354 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: about revealing. And what I like to do is ask 355 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: a question and then listen. Now, if I think somebody's 356 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: trying to handle me with talking points or I don't 357 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: think they're being straightforward, I will cut them off, but 358 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: I'll do it in a way that's respectful, and I'll 359 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: usually try to turn it with a question. I have 360 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: a pretty good sense when somebody is not walking the talk. 361 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: I have a pretty good sense when somebody is about 362 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: to spit out something that they're probably going to have 363 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: to answer for So a lot of times I just 364 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: let people talk and get on the record because I 365 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: know that in very. 366 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 3: Short order the facts are going to collide with whatever 367 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: it is they're shoveling. I just know it. 368 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: And if I ask enough questions sometimes they have to 369 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: clean it up right then and there. But what I 370 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: will not do for people, and I say four people, 371 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: because it really is a gift when you know somebody 372 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: is kind of handling it. If you pick a fight 373 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: with them, you give them an out. I think if 374 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: you just ask questions and listen, people will tell you 375 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: who and what they are about. And if they choose 376 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: not to answer a question, they'll say no comment. And 377 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, it is harder to do things by remote. 378 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: But we're going to be, in my estimation, this is 379 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: the new normal. We're going to be doing more things 380 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: digitally than ever before. I think that the occasion of 381 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: having people in the studio is going to be rare 382 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: moving forward, at least in the short term. 383 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 2: So how have you had to adjust? Like you know, 384 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 2: reading people for example, and like, I guess navigating those 385 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: tricky interviews where people are just feeding you their own 386 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 2: messages and you're actually trying to, I guess, reveal something 387 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: beyond you know what they're pushing, Like, what are some 388 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 2: strategies that you found really really helpful in this in 389 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 2: this new digital environment for interviewing. 390 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: One thing that is absolutely necessary kept me on the 391 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: phone for five and a half hours yesterday, and that 392 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: was talking to each and every one of the twelve 393 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: people involved on our end, the Fox end of the 394 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: virtual town hall. 395 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 3: Of course, I couldn't talk. 396 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: With all the people who ask by video, Skype and 397 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: everything else all over the country. 398 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I would have been on the. 399 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: Phone till I would have missed the show. But the 400 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: big players, the two former education secretaries, one under Barack Obama, 401 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: one under Ronald Reagan, those presidents I called. I spent 402 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty minutes on the phone with each of them. 403 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: And I know, well, you say, well, the show is 404 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: only an hour long, so why do you need to 405 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: talk with those newsmakers and those experts and those teachers 406 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: and parents. Well, the reason is this, they don't know me, 407 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: and I don't know them, and our legitimate goal is 408 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: to not figure out who's right about anything, but to 409 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: figure out what's right for everybody to be helpful and 410 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: an environment that can make you feel helpless. We're in 411 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: the middle of a pandemic, so if you're going to 412 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: do something, there are three areas to me that we're 413 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: dealing with in crisis, the coronavirus, the economy, and education. 414 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: So if we're going to deal with one of those 415 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,239 Speaker 1: three most important lanes, then I have to know who 416 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking with and what potentially they have that I 417 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: can help them reveal for the audience to be helpful. 418 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: So I've always taught you know, we did our town 419 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: hall in New Hampshire during the primary when they were 420 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: still having primaries in person. 421 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 3: We'll see what happens moving forward. 422 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: But when I was in New Hampshire the Democratic primary, 423 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: I met my guest for that town hall, the voters 424 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: that I had on set with me, and you only 425 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: need a few minutes. This takes a lot of front 426 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: end work, and again I think it makes me better 427 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: journalists because I don't have those open It's so, how 428 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: did you feel? Nobody has time for that? They don't 429 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: want to see, Harris Faukner, get acquainted with the guest. 430 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: That's not what this is about. I have a child 431 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: who's not performing because I can't get a Chromebook because 432 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 1: my school district ran out money. Harris Faulkner, You and 433 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: your guest go wow. 434 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 2: Right. 435 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: So in order to know which guest to go to 436 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: and who would you know, I've had to have talked 437 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: with those people. So the front end work, when you 438 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: cannot be touchy feely with people is just to go 439 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: deeper with your questions. 440 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: And how are you building rapport because obviously it's a 441 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 2: completely different thing building rapport virtually rather or digitally rather 442 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 2: than in the studio. What how have your strategy has 443 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: changed for doing that? And therefore like getting the best 444 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: out of the people that you're interviewing. 445 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: Well, you just put a big old smile on my face. 446 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: And I didn't see this coming, But you know what, 447 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: I think I've been ready for this my whole life. 448 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: When my dad was serving in Vietnam and I was 449 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: about sixteen seventeen months old, we didn't know when we 450 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: would see him again. It was the second tour. He 451 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: was a combat pilot. It was late in the war. 452 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 3: Things were not. 453 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: Going well, and he would record on cassette. Now, the 454 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: young kid listening to your program won't even. 455 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,239 Speaker 3: Know what that is. 456 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: You'll have to put something up on the website so 457 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: they can see Atlanta old school recording devices. But somehow 458 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: he would record these in battle and it would take 459 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: weeks to get to the United States. And I heard 460 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: my dad's voice, but I had not seen him since 461 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: I was maybe twenty eight twenty nine days old. And 462 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: my mother said that when I was about two and 463 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: a half, he came home and walked through the door 464 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: and I didn't turn around right away. I was like 465 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: balancing myself on something. 466 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 3: A little walker. I was a late walker. 467 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: And I heard the voice, and she said I spun 468 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: around like a whirlwind and his voice. 469 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 3: We had a connection. 470 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: I think that in this environment of digital what I 471 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: miss is that human contact. But what I have is 472 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: that human contact the way I've always practiced it, and 473 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: that's through vocal communication. And I loved who he was 474 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: based on the person I had heard. I think we 475 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: could still do that with each other. 476 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful story and it's really interesting, you know 477 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 2: how that then translates into the current environment, Like I imagine 478 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 2: a lot of what you're doing is probably very unconscious 479 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,959 Speaker 2: in terms of how you are building that rapport and 480 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 2: making people feel comfortable. If you were almost to unpack 481 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: what you're doing, even in those early seconds or first 482 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: minute of interacting with someone for the first time, where 483 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: it's really important that you know you do make them 484 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: feel comfortable and make them feel comfortable revealing perhaps what 485 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: you're hoping that they will reveal. What are some of 486 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: the things that you know perhaps you're doing even unconsciously. 487 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: Do you think, well, I always try to meet people 488 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: right where they are. I never want anybody to feel 489 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: like they have to go put on a suit to 490 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: talk to me. So one of the first things that 491 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: I will do, and I interviewed presidents, generals, brothers who've 492 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: lost their children. I remember I interviewed the mother of 493 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: a missing young woman, a teenager in Minnesota, and I 494 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: wasn't sure. 495 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 3: She had agreed to do it because. 496 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: She thought it might help us find her daughter, just 497 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: as a group, as a media to help the police 498 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: force and so on and so forth. But I knew 499 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: that there was something else beneath that, Like you can 500 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: fill out a report and get that done. I needed 501 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: to know what she needed, and so I asked, I said, 502 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, before we start this interview, what can I 503 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: do for you? What do you need? 504 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 3: And she said, I need a hug. 505 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: Ah every moment of the day to take up the 506 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: space that is missing because I cannot hug my daughter. 507 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: And so when I know I have a big interview coming, 508 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: and if I get two seconds with that person, and 509 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: I always do, I figure out a way I will 510 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: ask a question that I think hits them right where 511 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: they are. I do find it interesting that when I 512 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: asked the President one question the first time I interviewed 513 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: him was in December of twenty eighteen, and I think 514 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: it was the same day that Michael Cohen was sentenced. Yeah, 515 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: I think so, or the next day, and we talked 516 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: about China. We talked about a lot of different things, 517 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: but in the end, my very last question was a 518 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: question that I hadn't gotten to ask him off the 519 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: top just before the cameras were rolling, but I wanted 520 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: to get it in. It was one of those questions 521 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: that I think builds rapport, and it's never too late 522 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: to do something great like build rapport. So I thought, okay, 523 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: it's the end of the interview. Maybe I can learn 524 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: something with him about him that sets up maybe he'll 525 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: talk me again at some point, you never know. I said, 526 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: why did you take this job? Why do you do this? 527 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: Like? 528 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: What do you like about doing this like your friend's 529 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: going to prison? And he said, because I feel like 530 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm getting something done every day. And he admitted that 531 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: hiring Michael Cohen was a mistake that made huge news. 532 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: Well who could have seen that coming. Nobody, And it 533 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: was something that was apparently on his mind, and we 534 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: had talked about the sentencing. But he said, I just 535 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: want to be able to get things done and I 536 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: like to get up in the morning and exhaust myself. 537 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing him some because I haven't seen that tape 538 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: in a lot, but I like to exhaust myself trying 539 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: to figure out the answer to make things better. He said, not. 540 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 3: Everybody agrees with that, with what I'm trying to do. 541 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: And I think it did build a rapport with him, 542 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: because when I was part of that virtual town hall 543 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: me along with my co host Bill Hemmer a couple 544 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, we had that rapport. And all that 545 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: means is that when I ask a question he answers. 546 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: It it's just about respect, and it's a little frustrating, 547 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: if I can be honest sometimes when I watch the 548 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: White House Press Corps, because I feel like it's a 549 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: gotcha fest and I feel like no one has to 550 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: give you the answer that you want, which you should 551 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: want to get an answer, Like I mean, I do 552 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: find sometimes that it gets so combative that people are 553 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: talking past each other. The President's talking past them, they're 554 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: arguing that were and the American public is in a pandemic. 555 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: They just want the answers. You know, can he help 556 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: me here? And and so the rapport that I would 557 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: love to see established, and it isn't like this across 558 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: the board, but just with a few of them, is 559 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: the idea that we can respect each other. Look, it's 560 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: my job to ask the questions. The President isn't going 561 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: to want to hang out with me. That's not what 562 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: we're doing. We're not building. 563 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 3: Friendships for life. 564 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: But that report to get somebody to listen to your 565 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: question is best fed by your ability to listen to 566 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: their answer. And I sometimes will start off with something 567 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: that I think nobody's necessarily listened to. If I get 568 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: the chance, and if I don't. I'll make sure I 569 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: ask it by the time that journey's over. 570 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting strategy. I do want to know, though, 571 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 2: with President Trump, what is the most challenging thing about 572 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: interviewing him. 573 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,239 Speaker 1: He knows exactly who he is. He's so confident in 574 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: that that you've got to, in my estimation, make your 575 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: questions relatively short to set the pace of the conversation. 576 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: I think that you cannot be on a rambler journey 577 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: with this particular president. I interviewed President Clinton. He was 578 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: my first. 579 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 3: President, and I interviewed I was so young. 580 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I barely needed makeup and hairspray, you know. 581 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: I do remember with President Clinton, he was in re 582 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: election and his wife was with him. I was in 583 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: a swing state, Kansas City, Missouri, and. 584 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 3: He was much more take a walk around the park. 585 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: Type interview, like you could just it was just like 586 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: a ramble fest. But he was very funny and very present, 587 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: and that worked with him. He could, you know, do 588 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: that dance. President Trump is very He also was very funny. 589 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: That's something people don't know about President Trump. But you 590 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: got to get to the point with him, because he's 591 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: got a point. He wants to get to and so 592 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: I think I studied him a little bit before I 593 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: interviewed him, and I said, you know, I got to 594 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: go in there and I just and it's so ironic 595 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: that my first question was about China, and I look 596 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: at where we are now, and I said, if they 597 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: don't do what we need to do with regard to trade, 598 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: can you get China to capitulate? I mean that this 599 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: could be that they have a lot of our debt. 600 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: We haven't a couple They make all of our pharmaceuticals, 601 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: the ingredients for them. Look where we are now. But 602 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: I came up with just a couple of questions, and 603 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: I don't write many more than that, because if you 604 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: script too much, you're not listening. So I went in 605 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: there with my first question, and I went in there 606 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: with my second question, which was about who he hires, 607 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: the president hiring people that he's firing, and Michael Cohen 608 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: going to prison and so on and so forth. But 609 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: the rest of the conversation was not It was just 610 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: what it became, and it was just listening. But I 611 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: think it helps to study the people you're going to interview, 612 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: because not everybody's style is the same and you have 613 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: to adjust your style so you get an interview. 614 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 2: When you asked adding on what are the sorts of 615 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 2: things that you're looking for? 616 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 3: Nonverbal? 617 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: Do they shift? Do they sit on the edge of 618 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: their seat? Do they sit back? 619 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 3: Do they man? E'splain, woman's plain? You know what that 620 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 3: looks like? 621 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: Were you're just so comfortable you forget you got anybody 622 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: else in the room? Pass me the chips and of beer? 623 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: Like IM interview people like that. 624 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 3: I'm like, you realize are on camera? 625 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: Right? Wow? Yeah? 626 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 3: I study the nonverbal a lot. 627 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: I like for people to, no matter what the topic, 628 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 1: to feel like we both can lead in. I'm not 629 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: interested in getting anybody or but I want people to 630 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: know that I'm serious. I have a sense of humor. 631 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: I love life, I have fun. I don't think that 632 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: people are necessarily all bad or good. Sometimes they do 633 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: things that are bad, sometimes they do things that are good. 634 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: But I am the reflection. I'm not meant to be 635 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: in the mirror with them. 636 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 2: It's a nice of thinking about it in terms of 637 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 2: your role, and that's really interesting around studying the nonverbals. 638 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 2: And I guess you know you've talked a lot about listening. 639 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: I find that really interesting that you'll script just a 640 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 2: couple of questions and then go with what you're hearing, 641 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 2: like what are the sorts of things that you're listening for. 642 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: Well, if I've done my homework, I know it's new 643 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: and what's nuanced. So when I hear something I've never 644 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: heard before, like when the President said to me a 645 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, you know, I'm going to look 646 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: at Easter and I'm like Easter, and I for some reason, 647 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: Oh no, I know the reason. So that was also 648 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: my seventeenth wedding anniversary, so I knew exactly how many 649 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: days away it was because I had just ordered a 650 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: gift for my husband. Now, the President didn't know that. 651 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: So when I spread out the twelve I said, that's 652 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: blah blah blah days away from now. And you know, 653 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: how is that? You know? And so that made news. 654 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: My dad called and he said, I was just watching 655 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: Lester Holt and he opened up this entire newscast with 656 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: you and the President and what he calls those square 657 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 1: boxes on TV. Those square boxes. 658 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 3: I thought, that's so cute. 659 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: That's satellite And he's like, yeah, and there you were, 660 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: and you and the President was telling you he was 661 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: thinking about Easter, and yeah, I mean I listened for 662 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: what I haven't heard before, and I may ask a 663 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: quick follow and then I'm all, ears, really, what happens 664 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: on Easter? I also listen for things that don't vibe 665 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: with the facts that I know. So I've interviewed enough 666 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: convicted criminals to know that when I am going to 667 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: interview one of them, I will have to run around 668 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: with the horses to try to get them all in 669 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: the barn because they are not going to want to 670 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 1: tell me the truth. So I have to make sure 671 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: I've done my homework. You know. That's on everybody, but 672 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: particularly people who have a vested interest in lying to you. 673 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: I want to say politicians, but I'm trying to be nice. 674 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: But I study them too, because I know that it's 675 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: not that they will necessarily mean to bend the truth, 676 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: but they spend That's what they do. And if you 677 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: haven't done your homework and you don't know that piece 678 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: of legislation and they spend a part of it, it 679 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: comes out making them look like, oh, you know, I 680 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: got my point across, and this reporter didn't even know 681 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: what she was talking about. I've had that happen. It's 682 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: very frustrating when I went in and I thought I 683 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: knew a set of facts and somebody kind of spun me. 684 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's tough in this day and age of 685 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: social media too, because I'll hear about it right away 686 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: and I'll be like, shoot, did they say billion? But 687 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: it was really million. You know, things happen, But I'm 688 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: always trying to listen out for those things because it 689 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: does not serve the viewer to let you be complicit 690 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: in a moment that you don't at least try to 691 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: clean up. And I've had it happen. I've had it 692 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: happen not too long ago. Go I was anchoring a 693 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: show and we had a guest on who had an 694 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: agenda and a pundit and he was going after for 695 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: some reason, thought that it was okay to spit out 696 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: the unconfirmed by Fox name of the whistleblower when that 697 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: story was breaking, and we as a team at Fox 698 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: News had agreet you know what, we don't have that confirmed. 699 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,439 Speaker 1: We're not going to go on record with a whistleblower's 700 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: name at this point. Plus, if you endanger somebody who 701 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 1: wants to volunteer for witness protection to go help them out, 702 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: like that's not what we're supposed. 703 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 3: To be doing, but we can report every. 704 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: Detail of the story. Well, this guest thought that he 705 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: would just spit that name out. Well, he was kind 706 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: of a ramble fest, and what he did was also 707 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: wrapped in that same context of conversation, and I had 708 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: another guest on. 709 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 3: And a producer in my ear. 710 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: He started to tear down binary non binary pronouns, forgive me, 711 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: and kind of attack our beautiful LGBTQ community. And in 712 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: that moment, I wasn't sure what I had heard, so 713 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: I picked what I thought I knew I had heard 714 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: for certain, and I cleaned that up. I said, look, 715 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 1: we are not going to pick on groups of people 716 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: Americans on the show. We're not going to do that. 717 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: And my producer and I both didn't hear clearly the 718 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: whistleblower's name, but other people did, And in that moment, 719 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: I said, gosh, I wish I could hear two things 720 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 1: at once, but I caught one of them, and sometimes 721 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: that's all you can do. 722 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 3: I want to relive that moment. 723 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: Every day, but I heard from enough parents of non 724 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: binary children who caught what I did accomplish that day, 725 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: so I guessed I picked the thing that I thought 726 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: I heard clearest, and I went for it and tried 727 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: to correct it on record. It doesn't always get that complicated, 728 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 1: but when people are cross talking and you've got a 729 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: lot of things going on, it can. So when it's 730 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: my job to interview somebody, I want to make sure 731 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: I at least know the basic fact, so if something 732 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: pops up, I can push back. I think the audience 733 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: understands enough from watching enough TV Amantha to know that 734 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: there's no perfection. 735 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 2: I want to ask about social media and just what 736 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 2: your approach is to engaging with it, firstly in terms 737 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 2: of the content that you do choose to share, but 738 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 2: also I mean, you're inundated with feedback via social media 739 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 2: every day, and like, how do you engage with it? 740 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 2: How do you switch off? 741 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: What? 742 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 2: Like? Do you almost have rules around your relationship with 743 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 2: social media? 744 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 1: I do now in this configuration of working from home, Yeah, 745 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: I have to let it go. 746 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 2: What does that look like? What are your kind of 747 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 2: rules practices are on social media? 748 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: When I'm off the air, I'm done for at least 749 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: two hours, and I ask my assistant if there are 750 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: any high points during a show to look through come 751 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,280 Speaker 1: up with some ideas that she thought were high points. 752 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: We'll revisit in a couple of hours, and we'll put 753 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: out some videos from whatever we did that we thought 754 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: are helpful or interesting to people. A hot, spicy moment 755 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: on a detail or something like that, a good interview 756 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: a newsmaker. But I think that too much of the 757 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: constant feedback makes you start to second guess yourself, and 758 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 1: I can't get caught up in that. First of all, 759 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 1: I'm not twenty one years old anymore where I care 760 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,240 Speaker 1: that much what people think about me personally as a journalist, 761 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: I do care. I want people to think I'm competent 762 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: and have their best interest at heart. But this is 763 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,439 Speaker 1: not a popularity contest. I'm only interested in winning one, 764 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,359 Speaker 1: and it's the one in my house. I mean, if 765 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: my kids are listening to me, if my husband is listening, 766 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 1: and we're all loving each other, I'm winning. 767 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 2: I'm fascinated that you just disconnect for a couple of 768 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 2: hours after you've fin on the A. Yeah, that sounds 769 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 2: like a really great strategy for preserving entity. 770 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,240 Speaker 3: Well, and it also lets things breathe. 771 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: You know, I was taught as a very young child, 772 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: that you have to let people take a moment to 773 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: take in whatever it is, whatever experience it is. Like 774 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 1: we would go to an amusement park and I would 775 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,320 Speaker 1: want to write every ride, and my parents would say, 776 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 1: you know what, let's ride a couple and then let's 777 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: go get an ice cream. Take in that experience. You 778 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: have more time, so enjoy this moment. And that's how 779 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: I feel when I'm done with those two shows. I've 780 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: worked my whole career to get to this point, and 781 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: I feel so blessed to be in this moment and 782 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: to be part of this journey as someone who people 783 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: say is a journalist they trust. Then I don't want 784 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: to muck that up, getting all up on Twitter and 785 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: seeing what people who hate is gonna hate, think or 786 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: whatever are getting to you filled up with the gooey 787 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: stuff too. Oh you're perfect. Well we know that's not 788 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: true either, But let that moment breathe. Let people be 789 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: in the moment of what they saw, and you be 790 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: in the moment of what you delivered, and go live 791 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: your life. Hmm. 792 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 2: That's great, What a great note to end on. And look, 793 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 2: my final question, Harris, is that obviously people can watch 794 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,879 Speaker 2: you on Outnumbered and Outnumbered over time. If people want 795 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 2: to connect with you in other ways, what is the 796 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 2: best way to do that? 797 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 1: Probably Instagram and Twitter, and my handle is so boring. 798 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: It's at Harris Faulkner across all my platforms. 799 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 2: Fantastic. Well, Harris, I've loved talking to you. Thank you 800 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:39,760 Speaker 2: so much for your time. 801 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's been such a pleasure. 802 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 2: Hello there. That is it for today's show. 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