1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Sophie Tauber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: is labeled disrespectful after hanging out with an ex fans 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: turn on Taylor Swift after her album release and our 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Friday de brief but First, Ashy Bindes has reignited her 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: feud with Gretty Rose and Sammy Leok. Can you tell 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: us more? 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: Well? 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: It all started when Ash shared a clip to TikTok 11 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: from a podcast episode she did where she answered listener 12 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: dilemmas and she was asked her thoughts on a friendship breakdown, 13 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: and during her answer, she revealed that she's been in 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: the exact same situation. She conceded when it comes to friendship, 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: she has an anxious attachment style. Here's more of what 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: she said. 17 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: However, this is I've been in this exact situation, and 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: I am quite an anxious attachment when it comes to friendships, 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: and I have a wound of being abandoned and rejected 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: and I like to have closure over things. But I've 21 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: had a friend that hasn't given me any closure, that 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: won't pick up the phone, that won't FaceTime, that won't reply, 23 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: and I've just been left so totally here where she's 24 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: at because it's like, I want to keep this friendship. 25 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: I don't know what's happened. I'm left over here being 26 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: like what the hell? But I got to a point 27 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: where I was like, I actually have to unplug because 28 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: there is nothing else I can do and you keep 29 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: just breaking your own heart. 30 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: Yes, true. 31 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: And also I got to a point too, I think 32 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: within it, within Tiana and my friendship, the way Tiana 33 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: communicates with me and creates a safe place that we 34 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: can bring anything in, it raised my standard of what 35 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: I wanted a friendship, so it made it easier for 36 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 2: me to unplug from this other friendship. 37 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: We have spoken on this podcast before, Kate about how 38 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: many resources that Ashy binds us throwing into this podcast. 39 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: It's clear she wants to make it very popular, and 40 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: unfortunately it doesn't seem to be having the success yet 41 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: that she is wanting because she had to cancel a 42 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: live podcast show. We saw on the charts that it's 43 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: not doing that well, that they don't have a huge 44 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: fan base listening to this show in comparison to the 45 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: amount of people that follow her, which is over a 46 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: million followers. Like you would expect a big influencer would 47 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: be getting a lot of downloads in the podcast. So 48 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: she has thought to herself, I'm going to get interest 49 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: by trying to reignite a feud or revisit this feud 50 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 1: between her former friends Gretty and Sammy. We often get 51 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: dms on the regular saying please, can you talk about 52 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: this feud? I'm so invested, tell me what happened. Yeah, 53 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: And it seems like Gretty and Sammy have taken the 54 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: bait because off the back of this video, they shared 55 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: their own TikTok where they appeared together on screen with 56 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: texts that said when your bestie just clopped the same 57 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: shit as I did, and in the video they look 58 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: at each other and laugh. The video was captioned debrief pending, 59 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: and the comments were an interesting read. One person wrote 60 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: NDA over yet or what and another said tell us 61 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: when the NDA's over, don't tease us now. This is 62 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: a rumor that has followed ash Bines for quite a 63 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: long time. She's had a lot of high profile friendship 64 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: busts ups and people have said none of the friends 65 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: talk out because they're forced to sign NDA's. She has 66 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: come out on her podcast and said this is completely untrue. 67 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: How do you feel about them piggybacking off this though, 68 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: and obviously creating their own content. I mean, it's just 69 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: the nature of social media. We spoke a couple of 70 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: weeks ago about how friendship bust ups are the way 71 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: to stay relevant online. Everyone cares about you when you're 72 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: feuding with another influencer. So I think it's a smart 73 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: content strategy. But it is a little bit hypocritical because 74 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: you're saying, oh, how dare this person call us out? 75 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: But you're doing the same thing. I think people are 76 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: growing tired of it because they see a group of 77 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: women in their thirties who were mothers fighting over something 78 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: really petty that happened a couple of years ago. It's 79 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: sort of something that you would expect people in their 80 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: early twenties to fight about. I don't know how I 81 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: feel about you age shaming them for fighting in their thirties. 82 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm definitely not age shaming. I'm just saying that I 83 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: think people expect more of them, more of a maturity level, 84 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: than to get caught up on some crap that happened 85 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: ten years ago. It's funny you say that, though, because 86 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: when Indy Clinton got that PI and found out who 87 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: all her trolls were, they happened to be mums, probably 88 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: in their thirties. I think it's a time in life 89 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: where you may be looking after children, so you aren't 90 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: pouring heaps into yourself, and you need strong friendships, and 91 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: you might not get back from those friends what you need, 92 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: and that would cause a fight. And it is a 93 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: time in your life when some of your friendships do 94 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: fall apart because you're in different stages and you can't 95 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: relate to one another. All I am saying, though, is 96 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: that I think the response has been one of people 97 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: saying this is a bit immature. Yeah, and also a 98 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: sense of just tell us what happened, Like if you're 99 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: not going to open up about it, then we don't 100 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: want to hear you referencing it anymore. Get ready with me. 101 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: I already put on my foundation, but I thought I'll 102 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: do like a little chip chart catch up. 103 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro has been labeled disrespectful after teasing a reunion 104 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: with her ex fiance Rhys Hawkins. Is not the first 105 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: time the og influencer has made it public that she's 106 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: hanging out with her ex ca can you tell us 107 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: more So? On Saturday night, Tammy posted an instant story 108 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: of her two young daughters hugging at a bowling center. 109 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: So a first glance, looked like just a regular wholesome 110 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: family night out. That was until super Sluice spotted the 111 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: bowling scoreboard that featured at the top of the frame 112 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: of the Instagram story. It was literally there for a 113 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: couple of seconds max. It turns out that Tammy was 114 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: bowling with her three children and her ex fiance, Reese Hawkins. 115 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: So Reese is the father of Tammy's two eldest children, 116 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: Wolf and Saskia. The following night, Tammy then backed the 117 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: video up by sharing a TikTok of her and Reese 118 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: at the bowling center. So for those who haven't seen it, 119 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: Tammy set up her camera and then she moved back 120 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: into the frame to stand next to Reese, and at 121 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: that point, she hoisted her jeans up with her tongue 122 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: poking out and tried to pull Reese into the shot 123 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: next to her as she pouted and kicked her back 124 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: leg up. Reese kind of looked awkward. He looked at 125 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: her like, what the fuck, and then he kind of 126 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: playfully pushed the bowling ball towards her. I don't think 127 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: he's totally innocent. He is clearly in on the videos. 128 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: He's appearing in it for God's sake. To be fair, 129 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: she kind of set up the camera as he was 130 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: picking up his bowling ball, and I think it's kind 131 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: of that thing where he doesn't know how to react 132 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: to it. So you don't think he was in on 133 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: the video. No, I think this was all set up 134 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: by Tammy, and he was kind of an innocent bystander 135 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: in a sense, because you've got to remember, the three 136 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: kids are there, so if he makes a scene, it 137 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: actually detracts from their whole family night. So I think 138 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: he just played along in the moment. But then again, 139 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: he could say, hey, Sojie might not posting that because 140 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: it might be a bit disrespectful to my girlfriend. I'm 141 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: sure she probably would have respected that. 142 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: Well. 143 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: We don't know the conversation that I think that he 144 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: plays on it as well, because they both know that 145 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: together they're incredibly popular. People are very nostalgic about this relationship. 146 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 1: We saw that when we did our Tammy deep dives 147 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: there were so many people who were shipping the relationship 148 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: and they saw the two of them as ultimate couple goals. Well, 149 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: Tammy certainly got the reaction she was after, because the 150 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: clip went viral on social media. At the time of recording, 151 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: it's had three point six million views, and Tammy starred 152 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: the pop further on Tuesday night, sharing an Instagram story 153 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: of her mimi to Taylor Swift's song The Life of 154 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: a Showgirl. She then panned across to Reese driving the 155 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: car with their two kids in the back, and he 156 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: was shaking his head and she captured the video not 157 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: a swifty. His reaction is the same reaction that most 158 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: boyfriends have when their girlfriends try to film in Instagram's story, 159 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: just being like, not again, I don't want to be 160 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: in this, But this is a different one because they're 161 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: not together. It really seems like Tammy has made a 162 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: conscious effort since announcing the divorce to include Reese in 163 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: her content, because three weeks after the divorce announcement, she 164 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: shared a video of her prank calling Reaese Now that 165 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: TikTok got one point four million views. Then a month later, 166 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: she posted a video of her Reese and their two 167 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: kids posing with the caption whole Gangs here. That video 168 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: went absolutely nuts. It's had sixteen point seven million views 169 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: and it sparked rumors that they were getting back together. 170 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: The captions have sparked a lot of conversations around where 171 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: Posey fits into this family because she is Tammy's third daughter, 172 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: her father is Matt Paul, which is Tammy's second fiance, 173 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: and by saying the whole gangs here and not including 174 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,559 Speaker 1: her in the video, a lot of people were like, well, 175 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: how is the whole gang here? Your third daughter is missing? 176 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: And then in the other video she said mum and dad, 177 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: and Posey was in that video, Reece Hawkins, isn't her dad? Yeah? 178 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: A lot of people thought it was in bad taste, 179 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: and it seems like Matt Paul kind of responded in 180 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: his own way on Instagram, so he shared a photo 181 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: dump from that weekend and someone commented on it saying, 182 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: glad Posey is with you and not spending the whole 183 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: time with the other kid's dad, so confusing for all involved, 184 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: and Matt replied simply agree, Wow, Yeah, I didn't know 185 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: that things had gotten that frosty between them because Tammy 186 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: really prides herself and having a good co parenting relationship 187 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: with both Matt and Reese. There were a few rumors 188 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: that maybe things weren't going well in the background when 189 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: he did like that post mocking her crying after breaking 190 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: up with Matt Zakowski. Yeah, judging by their social media interactions, 191 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: it seems like things are a little bit tense between 192 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: Tammy and Matt. Paul I want to talk about where 193 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: liv Kelly fits into all of this, because she is 194 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: a Gold Coast fitness influence so who recently went Instagram 195 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: official with Reese Hawkins. They may live in different countries, 196 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: but they are boyfriend and girlfriend. Reese of course, resides 197 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: in Balley. It does seem like she is the reason 198 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: why he's spending a lot of time in Australia as well. 199 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel live a little bit torn on 200 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: that because it's nice for his kids, but then it's like, well, 201 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: why aren't you here visiting your kids rather than your girlfriend. 202 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: But anyway, Live Kelly is yet to officially comment on 203 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: the recent Tammy Reese situation. It's interesting to note, though, 204 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: that she shared a photo dump from the weekend, but 205 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: didn't include photos of Reese in it, even though he 206 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: was on the Gold Coast. So do we think they've 207 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: had a massive argument following some of Tammy's posts. I 208 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: think so because on Saturday, she also shared a video 209 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: of her miming to a trending sound of Kylie Jenna saying, dude, 210 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm getting my personality back though, like I'm feeling like 211 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: myself again. I really it was not myself and someone 212 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: commented on the video, just end things with Reese so 213 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: he can be with Tammy. They suit each other so well. Now. 214 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: Another person jumped in and wrote back to the commenter, 215 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: Tammy treated Reese as a doormat and used the children 216 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: to punish him. Please, just like the children be happy 217 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: for once. Olivia is obviously very supportive of their co parenting. 218 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: Tammy could learn a thing or two because she pulled 219 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: the exact same tricks on London Now Live liked this 220 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: comment that speaks volumes. Do we actually think that these 221 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: are genuine comments from outsiders or if these are their 222 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: friends in fake accounts? I think they are genuine. I 223 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: mean there were a lot of people saying that the 224 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: situation between Tammy and Reese is very reminiscent of how 225 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: she acted when he started dating London Goen, who ended 226 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: up being his wife. They have now split up. Well 227 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: Live continued to stoke the fire on Tuesday, she shared 228 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: a compilation of clips of herself with the trending sound 229 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: just be a little more thoughtful and a little bit kinder, 230 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: because you really don't know what somebody's dealing with or 231 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: going through, and she captioned that video saying a YouTube 232 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: video was coming with a full life update. 233 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: Now. 234 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: I went and checked the YouTube channel to see if 235 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: it was out before we recorded. It is not out yet, 236 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: but I noted that Live only has sixty three subscribers 237 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: on the platform. So I found it quite interesting because 238 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: maybe she is also using this as a bit of 239 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: a content strategy and thinks, oh, well, I'm getting a 240 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: bit of extra attention from this tammy situation. I might 241 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: as well bolst my influencing career. 242 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: An sharckingly offensive thing to say. 243 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it is not the last. 244 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 3: It's not why people get married, No, exactly so that they. 245 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: Last. Friday, Taylor Swift dropped her twelfth album, The Life 246 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: of a Showgirl to polarizing reviews, Despite the album breaking 247 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: streaming and sales records. Taylor is copying backlash even from 248 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: her most die hard fans, and Okay, as one of those, 249 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: I want to know, how do you feel about the album? Well, 250 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: I was personally taken back by the negative response because 251 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: I loved the album from the get go and that 252 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: hasn't been something I've experienced since Lover. So I really 253 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: did like Tortured Poets Department, but it took me a 254 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: while to get into it. I mean, there were so 255 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: many songs released. It was like, you know, thirty different songs. 256 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: It was a bit of a slow burn. Yeah, it 257 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: was more of a slow burn. But with this from 258 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: the get go, I'm like, love that, love that, got 259 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: that stuck in my head. Like I can actually listen 260 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: to the full album and there's no skips for me 261 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: because we're pretty basic. I love anything pop. So this 262 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: album really speaks to me. And again, because we were 263 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: listening and we were instantly messaging each other our reaction 264 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: to each songs. Love It, love that, love that, Oh 265 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: my god, this is it gets even better. So I 266 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: was pretty shocked to see the reaction online from people, 267 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: people who I think are almost acting like they're too 268 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: cool to be a Taylor Swift fan, Well, I think 269 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: there are two camps because I think it does depend 270 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: on what albums of Taylor's are your favorite. So for me, 271 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: I love nineteen eighty nine, I loved Lover, I loved Reputation. 272 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: They're probably my top three Taylor Swift album and I 273 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: think that The Life of a show Girl has that 274 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: vibe a mixture of all three of those. It really 275 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: seems to be the folklore and evermore fans who were 276 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: struggling with this album release. Yeah, I mean they are 277 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: probably my least favorite Taylor Swift albums. I tried really 278 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: hard to listen to them leading into the eras to 279 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: it because I knew that was such a big portion 280 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: of the tour. And I admit there are some really 281 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: good songs on there, like I Love August, but to me, 282 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: that's not really the type of music I like listening to. 283 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that I went on social media 284 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: and absolutely slam Taylor, which is what has been happening. 285 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of people have just been 286 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: waiting to have a go at her so tall poppy syndrome. 287 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: A lot of people have labeled the lyrics as cringe, 288 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: and there's also a lot of hate being directed at 289 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: her fiance Travis Kelsey. They say that he's not a 290 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: good enough music Yeah. I mean that was the case 291 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: even when Taylor released Tortured Poets, because a couple of 292 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: the songs on the album were about Travis so high 293 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: school and also the Alchemy, and there was a lot 294 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: of conversations online about how the lyrics are quite juvenile. Again, 295 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: they were probably two of my favorite songs from Tortured Poets, 296 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: So I think it just depends on the type of 297 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: music people like. I think there's been a long standing 298 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: fear for quite some time now that when Taylor gets married, 299 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: that she's suddenly going to become a shit writer and 300 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: not have any heartbreak to talk about anymore. And I 301 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: think that people are almost projecting that into this album. Yeah. Well, 302 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: there were a lot of people complaining online that Taylor 303 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: being happy doesn't generate the same level of penmanship that 304 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: it does when she is heartbroken, and there were even 305 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: people saying that they can't wait for the divorce album now. 306 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: This type of commentary led The New Yorker to run 307 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: with the headline do we still like Taylor Swift when 308 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: she's happy? In the article, the journalist Tyler Foggett wrote 309 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: the weak lyricism in the Travis Kelsey and Spied Songs 310 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: and the Life of a show Girl has led to 311 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: some of the most virulent and sexist anti Swift discourse 312 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: in years. Some have gone so far as to speculate 313 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: that Alwan was ghostwriting Swift songs all along, which is 314 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: especially devastating giving how much time Swift has spent fighting 315 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: not only to be recognized as a songwriter, but to 316 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: claim ownership of her own work. It's incredibly unfair that 317 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: this is being pushed. There's just this general tone of 318 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: nastiness towards Travis where people are saying she is dumbing 319 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: down her writing just to impress him. Yeah, I mean, 320 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: it's just so sexless to say, oh, Joe Ollan must 321 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: have written all of her good lyrics. I mean, yes, 322 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: he was a co writer on on Folklore and evermore. 323 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: But do we not think that potentially it is more 324 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: about him as amused. It seems like Taylor was never 325 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: really that confident in that relationship and she was always 326 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: trying to work on it, whereas this album it reflects 327 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: that she's in a very happy and healthy relationship with 328 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: Travis Kelce. Is that not what we want? And I 329 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: also think that potentially a lot of the people who 330 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: don't like the album are in their heartbreak era and 331 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: that's why it's not resonating with them or In that 332 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: New Yorker piece, the journalists also explored the notion that 333 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: Taylor's longest and most intense relationship has been this parasocial 334 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: one that she has with her fans. So Tyler wrote, 335 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: Swift's fans feel like they know her and have a 336 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: deep personal connection with her. They are just as invested 337 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: in her music as they are in her life, and 338 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: at least until now, those two things haven't been in 339 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: conflict for years. It felt like she wrote songs that 340 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: spoke to the core of the female experience at its 341 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: most vulnerable. It felt like she lived and learned in 342 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: parallel with her listeners, and that feeling is gone now. 343 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: At the end of the article, Tyler also posed the question, 344 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: Swift is about to marry Kelsey, but it's possible that 345 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: in Showgirl she's breaking up with us. Look, I think 346 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of truth to what Tyler Foggett has 347 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: written there. I mean, it kind of reminds me of 348 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: you know, he's touched on how as a female you 349 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: go through a lot of different life stages, and in 350 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: your early twenties it does seem like you lose a 351 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: lot of friends because you know you're no longer in 352 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: high school, you no longer doing the same things. You 353 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: drift apart, and then there is that time in life 354 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: when you get married and you have children and your 355 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: life may no longer reflect that of your friends. So 356 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: you kind of move around a bit. And it's not 357 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: about having some massive fires, just about you no longer 358 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: connect on that level anymore. You're not doing the same 359 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: sort of things. And I think this album about being 360 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: very happily in love and about to get married, is 361 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: quite polarizing to people that are still in their tortured 362 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: poets era. I just think this album is just a 363 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: change of pace. It's about being happy, and she's very 364 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: happy at the moment. It's the perfect album for us, 365 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: Ossie's when we're approaching summer. These songs are going to 366 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: be so much fun to listen to driving on a 367 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: summer's day. 368 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 2: To the beach. 369 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think this backlash was inevitable though, because Taylor 370 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: has hit the absolute pinnacle both professionally and personally, so 371 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: she's released this album off the back of officially becoming 372 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: a billionaire from the Eras tour. She's of course had 373 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: the Eras tour and has just announced her engagement recently. 374 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: So to me, it's just a classic case of tall 375 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: poppy syndrome. People feel this innate sense to take her 376 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: down a peg or two. But it's also down to 377 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: social media because everyone is so keen to create a 378 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: viral video these days, and the only way you're going 379 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: to do that is by having a controversial take on things. 380 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: To be fair, though people are allowed to not like 381 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: the album. I wasn't a massive fan of Folklore or evermore, 382 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: and I think people can respectfully discuss that maybe this 383 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: wasn't the album for them. But the way people are 384 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: now ganging up it just seems like it's an excuse 385 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: to absolutely rip on Taylor Swift. It's like the cool 386 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: thing to do is to not like Taylor Swift at 387 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: the moment. I also think that there's an undercurrent of 388 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: ageism that's happening. There are a lot of gen Zettas 389 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: on TikTok who are calling Taylor's lyrics cringe and saying 390 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: that she's this daggy millennial and she shouldn't be using 391 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: TikTok references. I think this also has a lot to 392 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: do with the fact that it's the first time Taylor 393 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: has actually embarked on a proper press tour to promote 394 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: an album for six years. So the last time she 395 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: did a media tour like this was for Lover in 396 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and if you think back, there was no 397 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: press tour for Folklore Evermore, which was surprise album drops 398 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: during the pandemic. As for Midnights and Torture Poets, it 399 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: was very limited media activity. So for those four albums, 400 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: Taylor really let the music and fan theories drive the buzz. However, 401 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: this time, she's launched the album off the back of 402 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: a two hour sit down podcast interview with her fiance 403 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: Travis Kelce. She's also has a movie out explaining the 404 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: meaning behind each of the songs. We really haven't seen 405 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift do this much media since the nineteen eighty 406 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: nine era. Perhaps it's just an oversaturation and there's too 407 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: much for fans to talk about because previously it's like, Okay, 408 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: we all we know are the lyrics, so we have 409 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: to really dissect them, but Taylor's almost made it too 410 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: easy for everyone. I also think some of this comes 411 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: down to her hyping the album up on Travis's podcast, 412 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: saying that this was one of her best albums and 413 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: she knows that the fans will love it. Because as 414 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: soon as someone says that, that's building a lot of anticipation. 415 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: A lot of people also seem to be confused because 416 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: it was called the Life of a Showgirl. They're like, oh, 417 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: there should be more songs about being a showgirl. To me, 418 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: I'm not interested in that. Like I thought, it was 419 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: quite apparent from that interview on New Heights that Taylor 420 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: was going to take you behind the scenes of what 421 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: was going on in her life while she was a showgirl. 422 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: It's like the normal moments of her being a thirty 423 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: five year old woman having a new relationship. Like it 424 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: wasn't about her being on stage and what's going on. 425 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: You know that she was tired or you know, fan 426 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: reactions and stuff. It wasn't ever going to be about that. 427 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: I mean, essentially, that's what I Can do. It with 428 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: a Broken Heart was about. I think people thought that 429 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: there would be some similar tracks to that, but she'd 430 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: already done it. Yeah, I do it again. I mean 431 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: I was that disappointed because I do like that song, 432 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: but again, I just want to hear what's going on 433 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: behind the scenes with her and Travis Kelsey. And that's 434 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: what she gave us. In terms of this media tour. 435 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 1: She did a lot of UK press, so she did 436 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of UK radio interviews. She was also on 437 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: the Graham Norton Show. Did you find that a bit strange? 438 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose the UK is probably the next 439 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: biggest market, so maybe that was the reason behind it, 440 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: or maybe she wanted to get under the skin of 441 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: some of her UK exites. Who knows. Well, that's what 442 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: I was thinking. And I actually heard Zara McDonald on 443 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: Shameless talking about it too, and it validated my feelings 444 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: because she's like, well, was it a way at getting 445 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 1: back at Joe Olwen about how happy she is? And 446 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: I think at the moment with Taylor and Travis Kelsey, 447 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: Taylor is very oversaturated in the US at the moment, 448 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: so it made sense to do interviews in the UK 449 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: and the US, but the u K interviews were prioritized 450 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: over the US ones, like she did the UK interviews 451 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: the day the album launch. She then did the US 452 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: ones a couple of days later. Maybe she thought the 453 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: UK media would be kind to her. She does have 454 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: a really strong connection to the UK, considering she'd leave 455 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: there for quite some time now. Taylor has responded to 456 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: the mixed reviews. She said she welcomes the chaos. Let's 457 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: throw to some of what she said. 458 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 3: The rule of show business is if it's the first 459 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 3: week of my album release and you are saying either 460 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: my name or my album title, you're helping and art. 461 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: I have a lot of respect for people's subjective opinions 462 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: on art. I'm not the art, please. It's like everybody 463 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 3: is allowed to feel exactly how they want, and what 464 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 3: our goal is as entertainers is to be a mirror. Oftentimes, 465 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 3: an album is a really, really wild way to look 466 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 3: at yourself. Right what you're going through in your life 467 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 3: is going to affect whether you relate to the music 468 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 3: that I'm putting out at any given moment. And what 469 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: I often love seeing my fans say is I used 470 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: to be someone who didn't relate to reputation, and now 471 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 3: that I've been through some other things in my life, 472 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 3: that's my favorite album. More I used to be a 473 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 3: fearless girl, and now I'm obsessed with evermore like and 474 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 3: we're doing this thing for kIPS, Like I have such 475 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 3: an eye on legacy when I'm making my music. I 476 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 3: know what I made. I know I adore it, and 477 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 3: I know that, like on the theme of what the 478 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 3: show Girl is, all of. 479 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 2: This is part of it. 480 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: I mean, Taylor Swift is the queen of marketing. She 481 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: knows what gets people talking, and she's happy to create 482 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: the discussion. I know a lot of people are actually 483 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: labeling her greedy at the moment because of all of 484 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: these multiple limited edition album drops that she's been doing. 485 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: She's been doing them for years. It just seems like 486 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: it's a chance for people to have a go at 487 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 1: her again. Well, Taylor's also smart enough to know that 488 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: this is the reaction just one week after releasing her album. 489 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: These songs are incredibly catchy, and I think that they're 490 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: going to grow on a lot of Swifties. Yeah, I 491 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: think so too. I think in a couple of weeks time, 492 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: a lot of the haters are going to be turned 493 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: into lovers of the album. They're also absolute bangers for 494 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: TikTok because these are the perfect sound bites of people 495 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: to create videos around. Yeah, I feel like we need 496 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: to quickly touch on the whole Charlie XCX thing because 497 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying that they're unhappy with 498 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: Taylor for punching down. She, of course has released a 499 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: disc track that everyone thinks is about Charlie xx. I 500 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: didn't really know much about their relationship before this song. 501 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: What I found most interesting is the fact that Charlie 502 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: and Taylor both dated guys from the nineteen seventy five 503 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: of course, Mattie Healy and actually don't even know who 504 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: the other guy, the other guy, that other guy. And 505 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: then Charlie of course released a song called Sympathy is 506 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: a Knife on her album Brat, and she sung lyrics 507 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: don't want to see her backstage at my boyfriend's show, 508 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: fingers crossed behind my back. I hope they break up quick. 509 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to share this space. I don't want 510 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: to force a smile. This one girl taps my insecurities. 511 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: Don't know if it's real or I'm spiraling because I 512 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: couldn't even be her if I tried. I'm opposite. I'm 513 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: on the other side. 514 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 2: Now. 515 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: A lot of people have said, well, Taylor has really 516 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: bitten back in a harsh way, and that Charlie was 517 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: more talking about her own personal insecurities. I want to 518 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: remind people we don't actually know what went on behind 519 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: the scenes, like the fact that they both dated guys 520 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: from the same band, and Taylor is hearing that Charlie 521 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: is high fiving Matti Heeley that they've broken up. Like, 522 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: There's obviously a lot more to this story, but it's 523 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: also quite clear that this reaction is coming from very 524 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: new Taylor Swift fans who have jumped on the bandwagon 525 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: because Taylor Swift has always been petty. Yeah, She's always 526 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: been petty, and that's what I love about her, her 527 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: absolute pettiness. I mean, And in terms of punching down, 528 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: when you're Taylor Swift, I mean, you're always punching down. 529 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: Who does she punch up to? There's no one above her, 530 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: So I mean, was she not punching down to Matt Healey, Yeah, exactly, 531 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: which I mean her whole album, which was also a 532 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: punch down to Joe olwand because they had this huge relationship, 533 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: and then the whole breakup album was about Matt Healey. 534 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: I mean, in terms of any song about Joe Olan. 535 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: She's punching down because he's not ultra successful either. I mean, 536 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: no one is as successful as Taylor Swift. I mean 537 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: that is enough from us, die hard Swift. No, before 538 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: we go, what's your favorite track on the album? Oh, 539 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: we didn't even get into that. Uh, I have four. 540 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: I love Elizabeth Taylor, Yes, Opah, Lite, wish List, and Honey. 541 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: It's so bad because they're all of my favorites. I 542 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: was listening to the most. I was driving to her 543 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,239 Speaker 1: house and the sun was shining, and I was like, 544 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: this just makes me so happy. How can anyone dislike this? 545 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: I know this whole segment has probably seemed a little 546 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: bit biased because we are die hard Swifties, but I'm 547 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: okay with putting that out there because I'm so sick 548 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: of hearing recently people going, oh, I am a die 549 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: hard Taylor Swift fan. I've gone to all the concerts, 550 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: I've bought all the albums. But and then they're like, oh, 551 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: she's greedy, she's punching down, Like all of these derogatory 552 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: comments about her as a person. I mean, it's fair 553 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: enough to say you don't like the songs, but just 554 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: don't you don't have to listen like listen to some 555 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: of the other albums. It's not that deep. It's just 556 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: a fun pop album of happy songs. We are due 557 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: for an album like this off the back of Torture Poets. 558 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: But she's also an incredibly talented writer that she doesn't 559 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: have to be going through heartbreak to necessarily write a 560 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: good song about heartbreak. I mean, listen to Death by 561 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: a Thousand Cuts. That's one of my favorite breakup songs, 562 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: and she wrote that when she was in a happy 563 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: relationship with Joe Olwen. Let's get into our Friday debrief 564 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: and so if I've been waiting to talk to you 565 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: on Mike about this since last weekend. So we were 566 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: lucky enough to be invited to the opening of Love 567 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: Athletica's Hot Polarates room in Norwood. It was a beautiful 568 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: space and we were so thankful to be invited. It 569 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: was such a fun day. I haven't exercised since before 570 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: I had Jack, so it was actually nice to get 571 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: back into it. It's been like two years. I feel 572 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: like it was quite ambitious to do a hot Polarates class, 573 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: though I've done a handful of workouts since having Luca, 574 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: but this was probably the most intense environment being in 575 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: the hot studio. Yeah, it was just funny being on 576 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: the other side of an influencer event because we're very 577 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: kindly gifted some workout gear and before the event, they're like, oh, 578 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: let us know what you feel comfortable wearing, and we're like, oh, okay, 579 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: like leggings and a T shirt, Like we don't really 580 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: want to wear a crop top. That's not sort of 581 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: the era that wereri it at the moment. And we 582 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: got there and we go into the Chaine rooms and 583 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: change into an outfit. Well, they had these really cute 584 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: red bags and yeah, as soon as you got in 585 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: the changing and you want zip them to discover what 586 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: you would be wearing. And I assumed that people would 587 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: be dressed in all different active ways showcases this brand, 588 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: but it turned out that we were the only ones 589 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: who were dressed in T shirts and legans because we 590 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: pulled out some moron legans. A pink top came out 591 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: and then the rest of the people there, who were 592 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: mostly fitness influences, were wearing red bike shorts with a 593 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: red crop top and they all looked incredible. I was like, 594 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: oh my god, I wish I could get away with 595 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: wearing that at the vibe kind of reminded me of 596 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: what Sarah's Day was wearing in her HIRO commercial, Like 597 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: it was that type of red and yeah, I was like, 598 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, I have never felt more old and 599 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: frum in my entire life. And then of course Amy 600 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: was also Amy rocked up late and she was wearing 601 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: the same thing, and we just looked like the dorks 602 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: in the back. I got taken back to being a 603 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: high school pe and kind of it was like you'd 604 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: missed the memo on what you were meant to wear, 605 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: like you know, what jeans for Jean's Day, where you're like, okay, 606 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: I've got my light denim, and then you rock up 607 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: and everyone's in dark denim. That's what it kind of 608 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: found me, you know, I was feeling self conscious enough 609 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: knowing that all of the other people there were essentially 610 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: fitness influence. I don't know how we got on this 611 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: invite list, but there was actually one other person. I 612 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: think there were two other people wearing T shirts, and 613 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: one was a journal that I used to work with, 614 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: and we had a bit of a laugh saying that 615 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: we were the T shirt crew. But it was a 616 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: fabulous event overall. But yeah, again I had just already 617 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: felt like a bit of a frumpy new mum. That 618 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: kind of amplifiedment. I mean, I felt like it was 619 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: a rookie air considering it was hot pilarates, I'm like, 620 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: why the hell do we ask for long leggings like 621 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: that was just a silly mistake. Yeah. On that note, 622 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: I think that is all we have time for today. 623 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode. 624 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: If you have enjoyed it, could you please please make 625 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: sure you share where you're listening from. 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