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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you have children who do something awesome, or

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Speaker 2: you have children that you love, give them a hug,

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Speaker 2: give them a high five, beers familiar with them as

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Speaker 2: you want, not going to do any damage at all.

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom

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Speaker 1: and dad.

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Speaker 2: How cool is it having teenagers? Don't you just love them?

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Speaker 2: Totally different set of problems, totally different set of stresses

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Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. But teenagers. Actually, I'm

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Speaker 2: even watching our little Emily, who's eight and a half

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Speaker 2: years old now, as she's puzzling through how humor works.

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Speaker 2: She's trying out all these different jokes.

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Speaker 1: And making them up all along the way, doing.

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Speaker 2: The very best that she can to get a laugh

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Speaker 2: out of us. But as the kids get older, the

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Speaker 2: way that you interact, the quality of the conversation, the humor,

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Speaker 2: the delight, it all shifts. And I feel like, just

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Speaker 2: recently we've started to move into this brand new phase

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Speaker 2: of feels fun to be around the kids. We can

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Speaker 2: play games, and it's a different kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't played the game Cover your Assets. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: highly recommend so much fun. Highly recommend it.

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Speaker 2: I think that's our favorite at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Our big girl brought it home with her from

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Speaker 1: one of her visits and he's fun Emily. Yeah, eight

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Speaker 2: So good, so good. This is out this week in

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Speaker 2: Pairenting Podcast. I need to let you know we've got

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Speaker 2: two cracking news stories to talk about in a sect.

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Speaker 2: But you had a funny interaction with our eighteen year

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Speaker 1: So the other day you brought home some random stranger.

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Speaker 2: this guy, said, hey, where are you from? He's from

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Speaker 2: So the first one that I want to share with

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Speaker 2: He's written a bunch of books and he's just this

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Speaker 2: This is one of the weirdest things that I've ever

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Speaker 2: There's no research to support this. I mean, involvement and

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Speaker 2: Not going to do any damage at all. I just

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Speaker 2: I've got a friend who has a collection of John

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Speaker 2: that's what it is. So the girls keep you on

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Speaker 2: I guess social and emotional taxing work. They're requiring more

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Speaker 2: It doesn't say anything about whether you look, doesn't say

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Speaker 1: But whether you've got children or not, there's challenge. That's

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Speaker 2: Hard precisely precisely. In fact, as I consider the hard

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Speaker 1: Experienced for the last twenty three years.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, but it's twenty three years of it and

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Speaker 1: What do you mean that we don't have another ten years?

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Speaker 1: It's going to go forever.

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Speaker 2: Well, ten ten years of kids being in our house

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Speaker 1: Well, then the grandkids come, well, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, but we can send them away. But the whole

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Speaker 2: Just cherish it. That's out this week in Parenting. Not

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Speaker 2: we just enjoy parenting because parenting it's where we find

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